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Jonesing. First trip scheduled (so far) first week of the year. Mammoth. Can’t wait.
Feb 9-16 at Revelstoke…when is Chamonix?
Trip update:

Just finished 6 days at Revelstoke, British Columbia. Unbeknownst to me, wifey cut the trip short, to allow a decompression day before she returns to work Friday. Never understood that philosophy, but it’s what I get for putting her in charge of flight tix.

We flew into Kelowna, landing around 10 am. Thankfully, we weren’t obliged to wait for friends arriving 4 hours later. After refueling at the airport Tim Hortons (🤢), we picked up the rental vehicle, and off we went.

The drive was beautiful, through mountainous country in BC’s interior. It gently snowed most of the ~2 1/2 hour trip. The only downside was multiple logging trucks along the route, which sprayed slush and road crud in their sizable wakes. So it was advantageous to pass whenever possible. Some of the trucks were a little aggressive though, and would ride your bumper when traffic slowed. It‘s bad enough if Joe Sixpack gets aggro in his high-momentum F950, ignoring the physics of braking. But for the love of god, is half a car length too much to ask from timber-loaded behemoths careening down slick mountain roads?

We reached Revelstoke right at 12:30. Enough time for a half day skiing, and an adult shower before the rest of our friends arrived. Following a turbulent red eye flight, white knuckle driving and blue apres-ski festivities, we were exhausted. Fortunately, the group opted for a quick dinner at an Indian/German fusion restaurant. Curried spaetzle isn’t exactly haute cuisine, though it was a heck of a lot better than Tim Hortons. And we didn’t drive to Revelstoke for the food.

As for the skiing, it was great. The mountain is 3000+ skiable acres, with over a mile of vertical, the most in N America. It snowed a couple days before we arrived, and a few more inches during our stay. It was typical west coast powder, heavier than UT/CO/WY, and Japan, but still forgiving. This was put to full use navigating the steep terrain, which was comparable to places like Jackson Hole and Telluride.

One of the locals told us a 65-year-old was medevaced off the mountain the second day, after inadvertently hucking a 40-foot cliff. While I was unable to confirm that story, my friend and I had to retreat from a run (Discipline or Mania?), after it abruptly ended in a cliff band. Not sure if more snow would’ve made the ~15 foot drop any easier, but we swallowed our pride while awkwardly skiing backward/poling/crawling upslope to avoid the rocks.

Tree runs are another of the resort’s strengths. It was easy to find fresh powder stashes in evergreens peppering the upper slopes, with clever names like Iron Glaiden, Stihl Life Glades, and Glades of Glory. If I hadn’t skied Rusutsu in January, the trees would easily be the best I’d encountered. With equal snow quality and quantity, Revi would be even better than Japan.

There were some shortcomings of the mountain, however. Under ideal conditions, Revelstoke’s vert provides nearly unparalleled long runs, but the snow/temperature didn’t fully cooperate during our trip. Like Whistler, the base elevation is around 2000 feet, which created a freeze/thaw cycle on lower slopes. Mornings on these runs were icy, transforming into corn, then mush later in the day. As a result, we avoided the lower half of the mountain, where most of the better intermediate runs are located, as well as some steep glades, and a provocatively-named run, Kill the Banker, which looked great from the gondola.

Speaking of gondolas, the mountain needs more. There are only five total lifts/gondolas in the entire resort, two of which serve mainly beginner terrain. This results in bottlenecks at the two upper mountain lifts, creating congested intersections and lift lines, even when most of the mountain feels empty. At least all the lifts are modern, detachable quads.

Finally, there aren’t many on-mountain dining options, nor a ton a great apres-ski eateries. If you like beer and burgers, you‘ll be fine, but I prefer to hold the poutine.

Tl;dr Verdict: Revelstoke is a great mountain for advanced skiers, especially those who like steeps and trees, but needs a little more infrastructure and apres options. I’d still rate it in my top five, behind Japan, Jackson, Whistler and Vail.
 
Finally cracking the seal on this season. We had 70 degree February days here in NYC, so it has been epic levels of terrible on the Ice Coast this year. Going up to Belleyare Mtn tomorrow, and there is supposed to be 7-10 inches falling Monday night. There's a few mountains within driving distance, I am going to track the snowfall, and hit the best spot.

Monday night snow dumps are the best. I've never been a weekend rider, so I am a little spoiled in never having to deal with lift lines.
 
Man I can't believe how much skiing has changed in the last few years. Snowbasin today even at 11am there were still 1000 cars lined up 10 miles down the road to get into the resort (which had no parking left, so no idea where they were going). Probably more people sitting in line in their cars today than would be at the resort for the entire first two weeks of March just a few short years ago.

Down the road, the Cottonwoods were a 3.5hr wait to get up the canyon even if you got there at 7am.

5am is the new 8am in terms of actually getting to ski these days.

Crazy. It's like Christmas crowds the entire season now.
 
Man I can't believe how much skiing has changed in the last few years. Snowbasin today even at 11am there were still 1000 cars lined up 10 miles down the road to get into the resort (which had no parking left, so no idea where they were going). Probably more people sitting in line in their cars today than would be at the resort for the entire first two weeks of March just a few short years ago.

Down the road, the Cottonwoods were a 3.5hr wait to get up the canyon even if you got there at 7am.

5am is the new 8am in terms of actually getting to ski these days.

Crazy. It's like Christmas crowds the entire season now.
Big powder day. Sunday. It’s not that unusual.

I’m Staying in park city. 2 minute walk to the bus depot. 10 minute bus ride. Waited a max of 8 minutes for any lift. Just an awesome day At deer valley. And there a lack of hard core skiers at DV, so the good stuff lasts all day.

sidenote: thanos was right.
 
Man I can't believe how much skiing has changed in the last few years. Snowbasin today even at 11am there were still 1000 cars lined up 10 miles down the road to get into the resort (which had no parking left, so no idea where they were going). Probably more people sitting in line in their cars today than would be at the resort for the entire first two weeks of March just a few short years ago.

Down the road, the Cottonwoods were a 3.5hr wait to get up the canyon even if you got there at 7am.

5am is the new 8am in terms of actually getting to ski these days.

Crazy. It's like Christmas crowds the entire season now.
Big powder day. Sunday. It’s not that unusual.

I’m Staying in park city. 2 minute walk to the bus depot. 10 minute bus ride. Waited a max of 8 minutes for any lift. Just an awesome day At deer valley. And there a lack of hard core skiers at DV, so the good stuff lasts all day.

sidenote: thanos was right.
Yep. Weekends make a big difference. But Bagel is right about bigger crowds in general, largely as a result of Epic and IKON.

Good point about snow lasting longer at DV. Hopefully there‘s some left in a few days…
 
Man I can't believe how much skiing has changed in the last few years. Snowbasin today even at 11am there were still 1000 cars lined up 10 miles down the road to get into the resort (which had no parking left, so no idea where they were going). Probably more people sitting in line in their cars today than would be at the resort for the entire first two weeks of March just a few short years ago.

Down the road, the Cottonwoods were a 3.5hr wait to get up the canyon even if you got there at 7am.

5am is the new 8am in terms of actually getting to ski these days.

Crazy. It's like Christmas crowds the entire season now.
Big powder day. Sunday. It’s not that unusual.

I’m Staying in park city. 2 minute walk to the bus depot. 10 minute bus ride. Waited a max of 8 minutes for any lift. Just an awesome day At deer valley. And there a lack of hard core skiers at DV, so the good stuff lasts all day.

sidenote: thanos was right.
Yep. Weekends make a big difference. But Bagel is right about bigger crowds in general, largely as a result of Epic and IKON.

Good point about snow lasting longer at DV. Hopefully there‘s some left in a few days…
Weekends are rough. Midweek, I don’t see much change In volume
 
We have been planning a spring break trip down to Socal to visit colleges. daughter has been luke warm about it so, so we talked about other destinations... possible tahoe trip.

crazy, but due to amount of snow and people, we decided against it. :kicksrock:
 
So bummed but work Is nuts this year and I’m likely not gonna be able to ride. :kicksrock:
Mammoth is crushing this year too. Bet. 22 is epic.
 
I have a 15 hour drive later this week, Houston to Denver with a 6 and 8 year old and then in another week i get to do it again. :crazy:
 
Man I can't believe how much skiing has changed in the last few years. Snowbasin today even at 11am there were still 1000 cars lined up 10 miles down the road to get into the resort (which had no parking left, so no idea where they were going). Probably more people sitting in line in their cars today than would be at the resort for the entire first two weeks of March just a few short years ago.

Down the road, the Cottonwoods were a 3.5hr wait to get up the canyon even if you got there at 7am.

5am is the new 8am in terms of actually getting to ski these days.

Crazy. It's like Christmas crowds the entire season now.

Yup. It's like driving to Vegas from SoCal. Thursday is the new Friday or whatever. Actually, Thursday pretty much sucks too and is the new Friday. You couldn't pay me to get near that these days, or waiting in ski lift lines.

I actually wait to ski until late morning and just go straight through the day. Saves money, too, skipping lunch and booze time and instead bringing your own stash. All those people wait in lines, then wait the same lines for lunch, eat and/or drink their asses off, and maybe do some cruisers in the end.

Where the conditions are right, the 2nd half of the day, until the very end, is the call. The crowds are all in the lodge by then, crowing about how they killed it. But finding the last lifts can be way better than waiting in lines for those first lifts. And with literally, no lines and wide open slopes in the end. Underrated. Go later and non-stop. Cover much more ground with way less people.
 
Zero lines at deer valley today. still snowing.
I have you hit park city/canyons yet? Both great mountains but Park City terrian is bit more varied and challenging though lots of good spots at Deer Vallley.
Went to canyons with @Terminalxylem today. Hit a bunch of their harder terrain and it was awesome. Todays warmer weather was unfortunately a factor. The snow was definitely heavier There was actual slush at the bottom! :gasp: :spoiled: supposed to snow again tonight!

Had a blast! Thanks again @Terminalxylem
 
I have a 15 hour drive later this week, Houston to Denver with a 6 and 8 year old and then in another week i get to do it again. :crazy:
The thing is, on your deathbed, you’ll look back fondly to road trips with the kids. Waist deep powder days will hardly even register.

We are at our 3rd hotel of the night. The second one had dried blood all over the sheets and what looked like bed bug poop on one bed.

At least I only have a 9 hour drive tomorrow!
 
I have a 15 hour drive later this week, Houston to Denver with a 6 and 8 year old and then in another week i get to do it again. :crazy:
The thing is, on your deathbed, you’ll look back fondly to road trips with the kids. Waist deep powder days will hardly even register.

We are at our 3rd hotel of the night. The second one had dried blood all over the sheets and what looked like bed bug poop on one bed.

At least I only have a 9 hour drive tomorrow!
I wasn’t intending on your deathbed being a part of the road trip.
 
I have a 15 hour drive later this week, Houston to Denver with a 6 and 8 year old and then in another week i get to do it again. :crazy:
The thing is, on your deathbed, you’ll look back fondly to road trips with the kids. Waist deep powder days will hardly even register.

We are at our 3rd hotel of the night. The second one had dried blood all over the sheets and what looked like bed bug poop on one bed.

At least I only have a 9 hour drive tomorrow!
I wasn’t intending on your deathbed being a part of the road trip.

It was 100% my fault. I accidentally booked a holiday inn express in Decatur, Alabama and not Decatur, Texas . And of course it being spring break and Decatur some what close to Dallas the hotels were all booked up.

Oh well. Getting close to denver now.
 
Back from spring break. My kids got their first lessons and will hopefully start skiing every year now. Also had some good snow and got fresh tracks one day last week. Not california snow, but good enough.

I will probably only have one more trip this year as I am too busy this spring with other stuff. I am thinking a mid/late april trip and maybe try skiing on Sunday and Tuesday. I hate weekend skiing but a sunday that late in the year should not be too crowded.
 
Zero lines at deer valley today. still snowing.
I have you hit park city/canyons yet? Both great mountains but Park City terrian is bit more varied and challenging though lots of good spots at Deer Vallley.
Spent a week at Park City. Snowed a few of the days we were there, on top of a near record base. Great conditions overall, but a little heavier than typical Utah pow, even a little slushy at the bottom on a couple occasions. This was especially evident the day I snuck over from Park City to Deer Valley (Incredibly easy to do, BTW). Mayflower Bowl, a big open area that I’m guessing is South-facing, was full-on spring skiing.

I did some great tree runs off McConkey’s, and a lap on Jupiter, advanced areas in PC proper. But the best conditions (and lack of people) were consistently found on the Canyon’s side, off 9990. I hadn’t skied much from that lift previously, but my rendezvous-vous with @DA RAIDERS, coupled with my wife gaining confidence in Japan, allowed a full tour of the upper mountain. The best runs required a little poling and/or hiking, though they were definitely worth it - great chutes and trees, many of which were unmarked on the trail map.

Speaking of unmarked, I skied a phenomenal line just outside the boundary, as the ropes were down. Was a nearly perfect pitch in untracked snow, which funneled back through some trees into the resort. Sublime, arguably one of the best continuous runs I’ve ever done. It seemed too good to be true.

So I looked it up. Turns out I was right next to a backcountry area called Dutch’s Draw, previously accessed through gates above 9990. Park City closed it a couple years ago, after an avalanche death, detailed in this video. I was skiing just left of the trees near the base of the slide, at the 1 minute mark. This article summarizes the risk:
Nearly half of the 37 skiers and snowboarders in Utah who have died in avalanches in the past 20 years have perished in backcountry terrain accessed via a ski resort lift. And more than half of those — including two men who died in separate avalanches in January — left through the exit point above the Ninety-Nine 90 lift.
I don’t believe I was in any real danger, but it’s a good reminder to remain humble in the mountains. And stay in-bounds, unless you’re equipped with avi gear, and know how to use it.

With 20 ski days in 2023, most of them with fresh snow, this has been one of my better, if not BEST, seasons ever. Think I’ll pony up for both Epic and IKON next year, and invest in some backcountry gear. Also need to heli-ski before I die…
 
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Zero lines at deer valley today. still snowing.
I have you hit park city/canyons yet? Both great mountains but Park City terrian is bit more varied and challenging though lots of good spots at Deer Vallley.
Spent a week at Park City. Snowed a few of the days we were there, on top of a near record base. Great conditions overall, but a little heavier than typical Utah pow, even a little slushy at the bottom on a couple occasions. This was especially evident the day I snuck over from Park City to Deer Valley (Incredibly easy to do, BTW). Mayflower Bowl, a big open area that I’m guessing is South-facing, was full-on spring skiing.

I did some great tree runs off McConkey’s, and a lap on Jupiter, advanced areas in PC proper. But the best conditions (and lack of people) were consistently found on the Canyon’s side, off 9990. I hadn’t skied much from that lift previously, but my rendezvous-vous with @DA RAIDERS, coupled with my wife gaining confidence in Japan, allowed a full tour of the upper mountain. The best runs required a little poling and/or hiking, though they were definitely worth it - great chutes and trees, many of which were unmarked on the trail map.

Speaking of unmarked, I skied a phenomenal line just outside the boundary, as the ropes were down. Was a nearly perfect pitch in untracked snow, which funneled back through some trees into the resort. Sublime, arguably one of the best continuous runs I’ve ever done. It seemed too good to be true.

So I looked it up. Turns out I was right next to a backcountry area called Dutch’s Draw, previously accessed through gates above 9990. Park City closed it a couple years ago, after an avalanche death, detailed in this video. I was skiing just left of the trees near the base of the slide, at the 1 minute mark. This article summarizes the risk:
Nearly half of the 37 skiers and snowboarders in Utah who have died in avalanches in the past 20 years have perished in backcountry terrain accessed via a ski resort lift. And more than half of those — including two men who died in separate avalanches in January — left through the exit point above the Ninety-Nine 90 lift.
I don’t believe I was in any real danger, but it’s a good reminder to remain humble in the mountains. And stay in-bounds, unless you’re equipped with avi gear, and know how to use it.

With 20 ski days in 2023, most of them with fresh snow, this has been one of my better, if not BEST, seasons ever. Think I’ll pony up for both Epic and IKON next year, and invest in some backcountry gear. Also need to heli-ski before I die…

Be careful, man! That area is notorious here for being a death trap. I believe 4 deaths in the last decade or so. I don't follow it super closely but I believe the issue is that it is not part of the resort and hence not an avalanche controlled area but because of its proximity to the resort (and even the gate inbetween) many people mistake it for being a normal avalanche gate within the resort boundaries.
 
Zero lines at deer valley today. still snowing.
I have you hit park city/canyons yet? Both great mountains but Park City terrian is bit more varied and challenging though lots of good spots at Deer Vallley.
Spent a week at Park City. Snowed a few of the days we were there, on top of a near record base. Great conditions overall, but a little heavier than typical Utah pow, even a little slushy at the bottom on a couple occasions. This was especially evident the day I snuck over from Park City to Deer Valley (Incredibly easy to do, BTW). Mayflower Bowl, a big open area that I’m guessing is South-facing, was full-on spring skiing.

I did some great tree runs off McConkey’s, and a lap on Jupiter, advanced areas in PC proper. But the best conditions (and lack of people) were consistently found on the Canyon’s side, off 9990. I hadn’t skied much from that lift previously, but my rendezvous-vous with @DA RAIDERS, coupled with my wife gaining confidence in Japan, allowed a full tour of the upper mountain. The best runs required a little poling and/or hiking, though they were definitely worth it - great chutes and trees, many of which were unmarked on the trail map.

Speaking of unmarked, I skied a phenomenal line just outside the boundary, as the ropes were down. Was a nearly perfect pitch in untracked snow, which funneled back through some trees into the resort. Sublime, arguably one of the best continuous runs I’ve ever done. It seemed too good to be true.

So I looked it up. Turns out I was right next to a backcountry area called Dutch’s Draw, previously accessed through gates above 9990. Park City closed it a couple years ago, after an avalanche death, detailed in this video. I was skiing just left of the trees near the base of the slide, at the 1 minute mark. This article summarizes the risk:
Nearly half of the 37 skiers and snowboarders in Utah who have died in avalanches in the past 20 years have perished in backcountry terrain accessed via a ski resort lift. And more than half of those — including two men who died in separate avalanches in January — left through the exit point above the Ninety-Nine 90 lift.
I don’t believe I was in any real danger, but it’s a good reminder to remain humble in the mountains. And stay in-bounds, unless you’re equipped with avi gear, and know how to use it.

With 20 ski days in 2023, most of them with fresh snow, this has been one of my better, if not BEST, seasons ever. Think I’ll pony up for both Epic and IKON next year, and invest in some backcountry gear. Also need to heli-ski before I die…

Be careful, man! That area is notorious here for being a death trap. I believe 4 deaths in the last decade or so. I don't follow it super closely but I believe the issue is that it is not part of the resort and hence not an avalanche controlled area but because of its proximity to the resort (and even the gate inbetween) many people mistake it for being a normal avalanche gate within the resort boundaries.
Four deaths in that area since 2005, the last in 2021, when it was closed. You can see the reports in the hyperlink, after the number 37 above.

Looking at the topo, I was technically on the face opposite Dutch Draw, but exited in the same basin where the avalanche(s) terminated. Probably not a place to be hanging out after multiple snowstorms, and variable temperatures.
 
Any thoughts on Mayflower Resort?

I‘m sure it’s on @DA RAIDERS map, given the proximity to Deer Valley, and slated to open next year!
The Mayflower Mountain Resort will be North America’s newest world-class alpine village to be developed since 1981.
Some interesting project details:
  • 6,000 total resort acres and 4,300 skiable acres at full build out
  • The steepest run will be 3,200 vertical feet and 5 miles long (the longest ski run in Utah)
  • Two decade project to complete
  • 1,200 day skier parking spots at full build out
  • 15 lifts at full build out, including a two-stage gondola
 
Any thoughts on Mayflower Resort?

I‘m sure it’s on @DA RAIDERS map, given the proximity to Deer Valley, and slated to open next year!
The Mayflower Mountain Resort will be North America’s newest world-class alpine village to be developed since 1981.
Some interesting project details:
  • 6,000 total resort acres and 4,300 skiable acres at full build out
  • The steepest run will be 3,200 vertical feet and 5 miles long (the longest ski run in Utah)
  • Two decade project to complete
  • 1,200 day skier parking spots at full build out
  • 15 lifts at full build out, including a two-stage gondola
Are they actually going to open? It’s been in the works forever. The knock on it is low elevation. and Who’s going to run it?
 
Any thoughts on Mayflower Resort?

I‘m sure it’s on @DA RAIDERS map, given the proximity to Deer Valley, and slated to open next year!
The Mayflower Mountain Resort will be North America’s newest world-class alpine village to be developed since 1981.
Some interesting project details:
  • 6,000 total resort acres and 4,300 skiable acres at full build out
  • The steepest run will be 3,200 vertical feet and 5 miles long (the longest ski run in Utah)
  • Two decade project to complete
  • 1,200 day skier parking spots at full build out
  • 15 lifts at full build out, including a two-stage gondola
Are they actually going to open? It’s been in the works forever. The knock on it is low elevation. and Who’s going to run it?
Dunno, the same people as DV?

The elevation and snow are concerns, but they claim it stays colder in that valley, and they'll make a bunch of snow.

FWIW, the Mayflower Bowl in Deer Valley was all slush when I went - I assume that's near where the new resort will be?
 
Any thoughts on Mayflower Resort?

I‘m sure it’s on @DA RAIDERS map, given the proximity to Deer Valley, and slated to open next year!
The Mayflower Mountain Resort will be North America’s newest world-class alpine village to be developed since 1981.
Some interesting project details:
  • 6,000 total resort acres and 4,300 skiable acres at full build out
  • The steepest run will be 3,200 vertical feet and 5 miles long (the longest ski run in Utah)
  • Two decade project to complete
  • 1,200 day skier parking spots at full build out
  • 15 lifts at full build out, including a two-stage gondola
Are they actually going to open? It’s been in the works forever. The knock on it is low elevation. and Who’s going to run it?
Dunno, the same people as DV?

The elevation and snow are concerns, but they claim it stays colder in that valley, and they'll make a bunch of snow.

FWIW, the Mayflower Bowl in Deer Valley was all slush when I went - I assume that's near where the new resort will be?
When it’s cold enough the mayflower bowl is one of my favorites. I’ve heard tht DV is going to run it. We’ll see.
 
Just had an absolutely perfect day skiing with the family at Sugar Bowl last week. Bluebird day, yet still unseasonably cold for CA which kept the snow conditions nice all day. Usually after 1:00 in April it's like skiing on a Slurpee.

Problem is, my 20+ year old pair of Salomon X-Screams appear to have finally met their fate. I was noticing that one of my skis didn't really feel right after the first run. Thankfully it was on the greenest of green runs (getting my daughter re-aquainted with skiing after 3 years of Covid). When I got to the bottom I noticed that even though my boot was clicked in tight, I could lift the toe up and the binding just felt loose.... I'm going to assume the binding is totally shot as the repair shop said they're so old they refuse to even look at them.

Now I'm on the hunt for some new skis, and since it's the end of the season I figure this is the time to get something. I looked at some used demos that ski shops in town had on "clearance" but they were all in the $500 range and looked more beat up than my old skis. I ended up passing on them. When it comes to what to look for in a ski, I know absolutely nothing so I was hoping some of you avid skiers can confirm what I'm eyeing is a decent choice, or point me in the right direction.

I've been skiing for 35 years now, but I'm firmly an intermediate skier. I only ski 2-3 times per season at most, and usually it's closer to 1-2. My comfort zone is in the blue/black range and I prefer groomers. I'd like to ski more off-piste, but I currently struggle with it. I'm not sure if it's my equipment, lack of skill, or a combination of the two. The reality is that as my kids are now more confident skiers I am able to now have fun skiing with them, so I'll likely just be sticking to the intermediate runs they're skiing until my son progresses closer to my ability level.

I am eyeing these in 170cm, which is the length I skied on at Sugar Bowl based on the rental shops suggestion. My old skis are 180s. My other consideration are these, but the sizing is different so I'd likely go with a 176. Is there anything I'm missing or should be considering?
 
Just had an absolutely perfect day skiing with the family at Sugar Bowl last week. Bluebird day, yet still unseasonably cold for CA which kept the snow conditions nice all day. Usually after 1:00 in April it's like skiing on a Slurpee.

Problem is, my 20+ year old pair of Salomon X-Screams appear to have finally met their fate. I was noticing that one of my skis didn't really feel right after the first run. Thankfully it was on the greenest of green runs (getting my daughter re-aquainted with skiing after 3 years of Covid). When I got to the bottom I noticed that even though my boot was clicked in tight, I could lift the toe up and the binding just felt loose.... I'm going to assume the binding is totally shot as the repair shop said they're so old they refuse to even look at them.

Now I'm on the hunt for some new skis, and since it's the end of the season I figure this is the time to get something. I looked at some used demos that ski shops in town had on "clearance" but they were all in the $500 range and looked more beat up than my old skis. I ended up passing on them. When it comes to what to look for in a ski, I know absolutely nothing so I was hoping some of you avid skiers can confirm what I'm eyeing is a decent choice, or point me in the right direction.

I've been skiing for 35 years now, but I'm firmly an intermediate skier. I only ski 2-3 times per season at most, and usually it's closer to 1-2. My comfort zone is in the blue/black range and I prefer groomers. I'd like to ski more off-piste, but I currently struggle with it. I'm not sure if it's my equipment, lack of skill, or a combination of the two. The reality is that as my kids are now more confident skiers I am able to now have fun skiing with them, so I'll likely just be sticking to the intermediate runs they're skiing until my son progresses closer to my ability level.

I am eyeing these in 170cm, which is the length I skied on at Sugar Bowl based on the rental shops suggestion. My old skis are 180s. My other consideration are these, but the sizing is different so I'd likely go with a 176. Is there anything I'm missing or should be considering?
I would pick an all mountain or carver ski that is 75-85 under foot.
 
Just had an absolutely perfect day skiing with the family at Sugar Bowl last week. Bluebird day, yet still unseasonably cold for CA which kept the snow conditions nice all day. Usually after 1:00 in April it's like skiing on a Slurpee.

Problem is, my 20+ year old pair of Salomon X-Screams appear to have finally met their fate. I was noticing that one of my skis didn't really feel right after the first run. Thankfully it was on the greenest of green runs (getting my daughter re-aquainted with skiing after 3 years of Covid). When I got to the bottom I noticed that even though my boot was clicked in tight, I could lift the toe up and the binding just felt loose.... I'm going to assume the binding is totally shot as the repair shop said they're so old they refuse to even look at them.

Now I'm on the hunt for some new skis, and since it's the end of the season I figure this is the time to get something. I looked at some used demos that ski shops in town had on "clearance" but they were all in the $500 range and looked more beat up than my old skis. I ended up passing on them. When it comes to what to look for in a ski, I know absolutely nothing so I was hoping some of you avid skiers can confirm what I'm eyeing is a decent choice, or point me in the right direction.

I've been skiing for 35 years now, but I'm firmly an intermediate skier. I only ski 2-3 times per season at most, and usually it's closer to 1-2. My comfort zone is in the blue/black range and I prefer groomers. I'd like to ski more off-piste, but I currently struggle with it. I'm not sure if it's my equipment, lack of skill, or a combination of the two. The reality is that as my kids are now more confident skiers I am able to now have fun skiing with them, so I'll likely just be sticking to the intermediate runs they're skiing until my son progresses closer to my ability level.

I am eyeing these in 170cm, which is the length I skied on at Sugar Bowl based on the rental shops suggestion. My old skis are 180s. My other consideration are these, but the sizing is different so I'd likely go with a 176. Is there anything I'm missing or should be considering?

I retired my x-screams 2 years ago!

I changed my ski length from 186 to ~170 and it was a major improvement. It will be much easier to go in the moguls, trees, etc with a shorter ski you can whip around.
 
Just had an absolutely perfect day skiing with the family at Sugar Bowl last week. Bluebird day, yet still unseasonably cold for CA which kept the snow conditions nice all day. Usually after 1:00 in April it's like skiing on a Slurpee.

Problem is, my 20+ year old pair of Salomon X-Screams appear to have finally met their fate. I was noticing that one of my skis didn't really feel right after the first run. Thankfully it was on the greenest of green runs (getting my daughter re-aquainted with skiing after 3 years of Covid). When I got to the bottom I noticed that even though my boot was clicked in tight, I could lift the toe up and the binding just felt loose.... I'm going to assume the binding is totally shot as the repair shop said they're so old they refuse to even look at them.

Now I'm on the hunt for some new skis, and since it's the end of the season I figure this is the time to get something. I looked at some used demos that ski shops in town had on "clearance" but they were all in the $500 range and looked more beat up than my old skis. I ended up passing on them. When it comes to what to look for in a ski, I know absolutely nothing so I was hoping some of you avid skiers can confirm what I'm eyeing is a decent choice, or point me in the right direction.

I've been skiing for 35 years now, but I'm firmly an intermediate skier. I only ski 2-3 times per season at most, and usually it's closer to 1-2. My comfort zone is in the blue/black range and I prefer groomers. I'd like to ski more off-piste, but I currently struggle with it. I'm not sure if it's my equipment, lack of skill, or a combination of the two. The reality is that as my kids are now more confident skiers I am able to now have fun skiing with them, so I'll likely just be sticking to the intermediate runs they're skiing until my son progresses closer to my ability level.

I am eyeing these in 170cm, which is the length I skied on at Sugar Bowl based on the rental shops suggestion. My old skis are 180s. My other consideration are these, but the sizing is different so I'd likely go with a 176. Is there anything I'm missing or should be considering?

I retired my x-screams 2 years ago!

I changed my ski length from 186 to ~170 and it was a major improvement. It will be much easier to go in the moguls, trees, etc with a shorter ski you can whip around.
Pretty much every time I have been out skiing on them I've either gotten "OMG I used to want those skis SO much back when they came out" or "You're bringing back some good memories, I used to love skiing on those"
 
Just had an absolutely perfect day skiing with the family at Sugar Bowl last week. Bluebird day, yet still unseasonably cold for CA which kept the snow conditions nice all day. Usually after 1:00 in April it's like skiing on a Slurpee.

Problem is, my 20+ year old pair of Salomon X-Screams appear to have finally met their fate. I was noticing that one of my skis didn't really feel right after the first run. Thankfully it was on the greenest of green runs (getting my daughter re-aquainted with skiing after 3 years of Covid). When I got to the bottom I noticed that even though my boot was clicked in tight, I could lift the toe up and the binding just felt loose.... I'm going to assume the binding is totally shot as the repair shop said they're so old they refuse to even look at them.

Now I'm on the hunt for some new skis, and since it's the end of the season I figure this is the time to get something. I looked at some used demos that ski shops in town had on "clearance" but they were all in the $500 range and looked more beat up than my old skis. I ended up passing on them. When it comes to what to look for in a ski, I know absolutely nothing so I was hoping some of you avid skiers can confirm what I'm eyeing is a decent choice, or point me in the right direction.

I've been skiing for 35 years now, but I'm firmly an intermediate skier. I only ski 2-3 times per season at most, and usually it's closer to 1-2. My comfort zone is in the blue/black range and I prefer groomers. I'd like to ski more off-piste, but I currently struggle with it. I'm not sure if it's my equipment, lack of skill, or a combination of the two. The reality is that as my kids are now more confident skiers I am able to now have fun skiing with them, so I'll likely just be sticking to the intermediate runs they're skiing until my son progresses closer to my ability level.

I am eyeing these in 170cm, which is the length I skied on at Sugar Bowl based on the rental shops suggestion. My old skis are 180s. My other consideration are these, but the sizing is different so I'd likely go with a 176. Is there anything I'm missing or should be considering?
I would pick an all mountain or carver ski that is 75-85 under foot.

I agree with this but might go a bit wider if you ski out west exclusively - like 80 to 90.
 
Just had an absolutely perfect day skiing with the family at Sugar Bowl last week. Bluebird day, yet still unseasonably cold for CA which kept the snow conditions nice all day. Usually after 1:00 in April it's like skiing on a Slurpee.

Problem is, my 20+ year old pair of Salomon X-Screams appear to have finally met their fate. I was noticing that one of my skis didn't really feel right after the first run. Thankfully it was on the greenest of green runs (getting my daughter re-aquainted with skiing after 3 years of Covid). When I got to the bottom I noticed that even though my boot was clicked in tight, I could lift the toe up and the binding just felt loose.... I'm going to assume the binding is totally shot as the repair shop said they're so old they refuse to even look at them.

Now I'm on the hunt for some new skis, and since it's the end of the season I figure this is the time to get something. I looked at some used demos that ski shops in town had on "clearance" but they were all in the $500 range and looked more beat up than my old skis. I ended up passing on them. When it comes to what to look for in a ski, I know absolutely nothing so I was hoping some of you avid skiers can confirm what I'm eyeing is a decent choice, or point me in the right direction.

I've been skiing for 35 years now, but I'm firmly an intermediate skier. I only ski 2-3 times per season at most, and usually it's closer to 1-2. My comfort zone is in the blue/black range and I prefer groomers. I'd like to ski more off-piste, but I currently struggle with it. I'm not sure if it's my equipment, lack of skill, or a combination of the two. The reality is that as my kids are now more confident skiers I am able to now have fun skiing with them, so I'll likely just be sticking to the intermediate runs they're skiing until my son progresses closer to my ability level.

I am eyeing these in 170cm, which is the length I skied on at Sugar Bowl based on the rental shops suggestion. My old skis are 180s. My other consideration are these, but the sizing is different so I'd likely go with a 176. Is there anything I'm missing or should be considering?
I would pick an all mountain or carver ski that is 75-85 under foot.

I agree with this but might go a bit wider if you ski out west exclusively - like 80 to 90.
Yea, I had 80-90 initially but he doesn’t ski a lot and the skinnier waist will make the ski easier to ski. And @Dickies I’d go with less than 180cm. Tech is so different now I’m on 180’s and would be happy with something a touch shorter.
 
Just had an absolutely perfect day skiing with the family at Sugar Bowl last week. Bluebird day, yet still unseasonably cold for CA which kept the snow conditions nice all day. Usually after 1:00 in April it's like skiing on a Slurpee.

Problem is, my 20+ year old pair of Salomon X-Screams appear to have finally met their fate. I was noticing that one of my skis didn't really feel right after the first run. Thankfully it was on the greenest of green runs (getting my daughter re-aquainted with skiing after 3 years of Covid). When I got to the bottom I noticed that even though my boot was clicked in tight, I could lift the toe up and the binding just felt loose.... I'm going to assume the binding is totally shot as the repair shop said they're so old they refuse to even look at them.

Now I'm on the hunt for some new skis, and since it's the end of the season I figure this is the time to get something. I looked at some used demos that ski shops in town had on "clearance" but they were all in the $500 range and looked more beat up than my old skis. I ended up passing on them. When it comes to what to look for in a ski, I know absolutely nothing so I was hoping some of you avid skiers can confirm what I'm eyeing is a decent choice, or point me in the right direction.

I've been skiing for 35 years now, but I'm firmly an intermediate skier. I only ski 2-3 times per season at most, and usually it's closer to 1-2. My comfort zone is in the blue/black range and I prefer groomers. I'd like to ski more off-piste, but I currently struggle with it. I'm not sure if it's my equipment, lack of skill, or a combination of the two. The reality is that as my kids are now more confident skiers I am able to now have fun skiing with them, so I'll likely just be sticking to the intermediate runs they're skiing until my son progresses closer to my ability level.

I am eyeing these in 170cm, which is the length I skied on at Sugar Bowl based on the rental shops suggestion. My old skis are 180s. My other consideration are these, but the sizing is different so I'd likely go with a 176. Is there anything I'm missing or should be considering?
I would pick an all mountain or carver ski that is 75-85 under foot.

I agree with this but might go a bit wider if you ski out west exclusively - like 80 to 90.
Over the past 15 years I've only skied in Tahoe, and never in my life have I skied east of the SN range.
 
Just had an absolutely perfect day skiing with the family at Sugar Bowl last week. Bluebird day, yet still unseasonably cold for CA which kept the snow conditions nice all day. Usually after 1:00 in April it's like skiing on a Slurpee.

Problem is, my 20+ year old pair of Salomon X-Screams appear to have finally met their fate. I was noticing that one of my skis didn't really feel right after the first run. Thankfully it was on the greenest of green runs (getting my daughter re-aquainted with skiing after 3 years of Covid). When I got to the bottom I noticed that even though my boot was clicked in tight, I could lift the toe up and the binding just felt loose.... I'm going to assume the binding is totally shot as the repair shop said they're so old they refuse to even look at them.

Now I'm on the hunt for some new skis, and since it's the end of the season I figure this is the time to get something. I looked at some used demos that ski shops in town had on "clearance" but they were all in the $500 range and looked more beat up than my old skis. I ended up passing on them. When it comes to what to look for in a ski, I know absolutely nothing so I was hoping some of you avid skiers can confirm what I'm eyeing is a decent choice, or point me in the right direction.

I've been skiing for 35 years now, but I'm firmly an intermediate skier. I only ski 2-3 times per season at most, and usually it's closer to 1-2. My comfort zone is in the blue/black range and I prefer groomers. I'd like to ski more off-piste, but I currently struggle with it. I'm not sure if it's my equipment, lack of skill, or a combination of the two. The reality is that as my kids are now more confident skiers I am able to now have fun skiing with them, so I'll likely just be sticking to the intermediate runs they're skiing until my son progresses closer to my ability level.

I am eyeing these in 170cm, which is the length I skied on at Sugar Bowl based on the rental shops suggestion. My old skis are 180s. My other consideration are these, but the sizing is different so I'd likely go with a 176. Is there anything I'm missing or should be considering?
I would pick an all mountain or carver ski that is 75-85 under foot.

I agree with this but might go a bit wider if you ski out west exclusively - like 80 to 90.
Over the past 15 years I've only skied in Tahoe, and never in my life have I skied east of the SN range.
The wider waist will make the ski perform better in crud and powder. The trade off is it’s a little harder to ski. The skinnier waist turns easier and requires less power Throughout the turn.
 
Just had an absolutely perfect day skiing with the family at Sugar Bowl last week. Bluebird day, yet still unseasonably cold for CA which kept the snow conditions nice all day. Usually after 1:00 in April it's like skiing on a Slurpee.

Problem is, my 20+ year old pair of Salomon X-Screams appear to have finally met their fate. I was noticing that one of my skis didn't really feel right after the first run. Thankfully it was on the greenest of green runs (getting my daughter re-aquainted with skiing after 3 years of Covid). When I got to the bottom I noticed that even though my boot was clicked in tight, I could lift the toe up and the binding just felt loose.... I'm going to assume the binding is totally shot as the repair shop said they're so old they refuse to even look at them.

Now I'm on the hunt for some new skis, and since it's the end of the season I figure this is the time to get something. I looked at some used demos that ski shops in town had on "clearance" but they were all in the $500 range and looked more beat up than my old skis. I ended up passing on them. When it comes to what to look for in a ski, I know absolutely nothing so I was hoping some of you avid skiers can confirm what I'm eyeing is a decent choice, or point me in the right direction.

I've been skiing for 35 years now, but I'm firmly an intermediate skier. I only ski 2-3 times per season at most, and usually it's closer to 1-2. My comfort zone is in the blue/black range and I prefer groomers. I'd like to ski more off-piste, but I currently struggle with it. I'm not sure if it's my equipment, lack of skill, or a combination of the two. The reality is that as my kids are now more confident skiers I am able to now have fun skiing with them, so I'll likely just be sticking to the intermediate runs they're skiing until my son progresses closer to my ability level.

I am eyeing these in 170cm, which is the length I skied on at Sugar Bowl based on the rental shops suggestion. My old skis are 180s. My other consideration are these, but the sizing is different so I'd likely go with a 176. Is there anything I'm missing or should be considering?
I would pick an all mountain or carver ski that is 75-85 under foot.

I agree with this but might go a bit wider if you ski out west exclusively - like 80 to 90.
It really depends what @Dickies foresees the next few years. What age are his children, and how long will they continue to ski together?

If the kids are young and enjoy skiing, they’ll probably graduate from groomers in a season or two. And it sounds like he wants to explore new terrain anyway.

Then again, he’s likely in his 50’s, and the skiing habits he’s developed are firmly ingrained.

If it were me, I’d take some lessons, focusing on more advanced terrain. Rent some all-mountain skis with 90+ mm waist for this purpose. Then rent skinnier carving skis for comparison. As others have suggested, short is the new long, so target 160-170 cm lengths.

If he doesn’t have the time to invest in improving his technique, the skis won’t do it for him. In that case, I’d just get carvers. Same goes for the expectation of a week or less, per season, on the slopes.

Regardless, I’d still get a couple lessons (try group first, then private), as even old dogs can learn new tricks.
 

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