*** Official *** Star Wars Episode 9: The Rise of Skywalker (1 Viewer)

[ConstruxBoy]

It's not that hard to have a constructive debate with people 'round these parts.  

Eh, I worded that wrong. I don't want to keep debating the point you guys are making. Agree to disagree. 

I did watch TLJ again last night, instead of watching the GB-MIN game, hoping that would spur me to luck in winning the FBG contest (Narrator: It didn't). 

I liked it just as much as I remembered. The crank call was a little hokey, but I like most of the humor parts in it. I loved Luke's resolution: from not wanting to train her initially to Yoda destroying the Jedi Temple while laughing at an astonished Luke to his great battle with Kylo Ren. It was perfect for his character, IMO. RoS was good, but I like most of the style/ideas from TLJ better. Wish Rian had finished it, although I agree that it would have better if he had started it as well. 

Anyway, enough debate from me. Enjoy the movie. 

 

[Insein]

Just to re-iterate on my last point, this is it exactly. Rian didn't write or direct it like a fan boy, so they hated it. I thought it made it better and more "real". 

Not the thread for this. Should go to the TLJ thread but how is it real to not have grown as a character in over 30 years? Luke had already learned all the lessons he supposedly learns in TLJ when he was 23. So at 53 when hes supposed to be a grown man and much wiser, he's still acting like a whiny little kid? And worse acting on impulse to kill his nephew? 

Yes not buying your "realistic" interpretation of how a grown adult with force powers woild be. Mark Hamill clashed with Johnson repeatedly telling him that this is not how Luke Skywalker would act. He went so far as calling him Jake Skywalker on his head to get through the part in order for it to make sense to him. He had to remind Rian of moments that Luke would do like acknowledging C3PO at the end. RJ had Luke walking by like he didn't know him. Hamill had to tell him Luke would never ignore 3po.

It's little things like that make it clear Rian Johnson never really liked Star Wars which is why it was a weird choice to have him direct the middle film and completely undo what 7 setup.

 

[shader]

I think it should have been one way or the other.  Still baffling to me that Disney seemingly went into this thing without much of a core plan after buying the rights for mega money.  

I get what you are saying, but not sure I am quite there with "near perfect finale".   Mostly I just need to reconcile with the fact that Disney is probably never really going to push the envelope too far.   As amazing as it would be we aren't going to see a  Watchmen/Deadpool/Joker equivalent of a Star Wars movie.   

Disney pushed the envelope pretty far in this one.  They literally had a Sith Lord sucking the power or souls out of two people.  I don’t know what you mean by comparing those movies to Star Wars, but I assume it’s their graphic violence and language, which just isn’t necessary for a good movie, and especially one kids are going to see.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Not the thread for this. Should go to the TLJ thread but how is it real to not have grown as a character in over 30 years? Luke had already learned all the lessons he supposedly learns in TLJ when he was 23. So at 53 when hes supposed to be a grown man and much wiser, he's still acting like a whiny little kid? And worse acting on impulse to kill his nephew? 

Yes not buying your "realistic" interpretation of how a grown adult with force powers woild be. Mark Hamill clashed with Johnson repeatedly telling him that this is not how Luke Skywalker would act. He went so far as calling him Jake Skywalker on his head to get through the part in order for it to make sense to him. He had to remind Rian of moments that Luke would do like acknowledging C3PO at the end. RJ had Luke walking by like he didn't know him. Hamill had to tell him Luke would never ignore 3po.

It's little things like that make it clear Rian Johnson never really liked Star Wars which is why it was a weird choice to have him direct the middle film and completely undo what 7 setup.

Like I said, agree to disagree. I liked RJ's vision better. I liked that it was different than the other 7. That made it better to me. I-III basically just rehashed a lot of IV-VI for me. Too similar. Just my opinion. 

 

[Smack Tripper]

If you enjoy Honest Trailer type of humor, give this a watch.  I loved the movie but still agreed with most of this with a good chuckle thrown in

Rise of Skywalker Pitch Meeting

did these guys just steal jenny nicholson's gimmick?

 

[Smack Tripper]

I think it should have been one way or the other.  Still baffling to me that Disney seemingly went into this thing without much of a core plan after buying the rights for mega money.  

I get what you are saying, but not sure I am quite there with "near perfect finale".   Mostly I just need to reconcile with the fact that Disney is probably never really going to push the envelope too far.   As amazing as it would be we aren't going to see a  Watchmen/Deadpool/Joker equivalent of a Star Wars movie.   

We will get a book on this one day, but my speculation having had some dealings with egos of this sort, Kennedy definitely cornered out some personal stakes in star wars, she has a long and distinguished career, and she was putting the "Force is Female" stuff upfront and out front.  But, with the rarest of exceptions (like mid 90's miramax), not one single person has ever bought a single movie ticket based on who the producer of a movie was.   And I amend that number to zero based on who a production executive was.  

JJ Abrams came into Star Wars with quite a shine, and to be clear, the number of tickets a director sells is relatively negligible, Star Wars sells Star Wars, not JJ Abrams.  But JJ got much deserved credit and praise for The Force Awakens.  

My speculation, based on his total divorce and absence from both the production company and Episode 8, is ego's clashed and she didn't like him getting the attention she got.  Her hiring of RJ and pivoting dramatically from what was established let her put her fingerprints on it.  Star Wars to that point, was a fool proof property, so she probably gambled there were no changes that could poison the well. She found out the hard way she was wrong.  

Kennedy didn't know he role, her's wasn't the place for credit.  It wasn't even her property, it was from George Lucas.  

In Wag the Dog, Dustin Hoffman basically plays a Bob Evans character, and he remarks multiple times that no one knows what a producer does or words to that effect.  Its the only job on a film set where you have no discernible skill or talent.  If you have a checkbook, your'e a producer.  If you get anointed, you're a producer.  

BUT a good producer, is absolutely everything pulling everything together, it is the most important job at the same time, but from a credit perspective, its a bit nebulous.  Its a major ego stroke but you have to be at peace without it being a scenario where you're getting public credit for it.  

 

[Capella]

We will get a book on this one day, but my speculation having had some dealings with egos of this sort, Kennedy definitely cornered out some personal stakes in star wars, she has a long and distinguished career, and she was putting the "Force is Female" stuff upfront and out front.  But, with the rarest of exceptions (like mid 90's miramax), not one single person has ever bought a single movie ticket based on who the producer of a movie was.   And I amend that number to zero based on who a production executive was.  

JJ Abrams came into Star Wars with quite a shine, and to be clear, the number of tickets a director sells is relatively negligible, Star Wars sells Star Wars, not JJ Abrams.  But JJ got much deserved credit and praise for The Force Awakens.  

My speculation, based on his total divorce and absence from both the production company and Episode 8, is ego's clashed and she didn't like him getting the attention she got.  Her hiring of RJ and pivoting dramatically from what was established let her put her fingerprints on it.  Star Wars to that point, was a fool proof property, so she probably gambled there were no changes that could poison the well. She found out the hard way she was wrong.  

Kennedy didn't know he role, her's wasn't the place for credit.  It wasn't even her property, it was from George Lucas.  

In Wag the Dog, Dustin Hoffman basically plays a Bob Evans character, and he remarks multiple times that no one knows what a producer does or words to that effect.  Its the only job on a film set where you have no discernible skill or talent.  If you have a checkbook, your'e a producer.  If you get anointed, you're a producer.  

BUT a good producer, is absolutely everything pulling everything together, it is the most important job at the same time, but from a credit perspective, its a bit nebulous.  Its a major ego stroke but you have to be at peace without it being a scenario where you're getting public credit for it.  

I always thought JJ didn’t do 8 because he was exhausted from 7 and didn’t want to do two of those movies in a row. 

 

[Smack Tripper]

I always thought JJ didn’t do 8 because he was exhausted from 7 and didn’t want to do two of those movies in a row. 

That makes sense.  What makes no sense, in my mind, is to have him totally divorced from the creative of it.  

 

[Insein]

did these guys just steal jenny nicholson's gimmick?

Well I don't know if they just ripped her off. He's been doing pitch meetings for almost 3 years.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Like I said, agree to disagree. I liked RJ's vision better. I liked that it was different than the other 7. That made it better to me. I-III basically just rehashed a lot of IV-VI for me. Too similar. Just my opinion. 

It wasn’t that it was different that bothered me, it was that it #### on the movie it came after.
 

Throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder after the whole film built up to that moment, where Luke showed so much emotion without speaking a single word?!

Then the whole movie is a ship being chased slowly but somehow there were enough people not paying attention that Finn could just go to the casino world and back. 
 

Leia is blown into the vacuum of space for several minutes and floats like Mary Poppins. 
 

There are things I liked better the second viewing of TLJ (Rey/Kylo and fight scenes — even Luke) but it really killed the trilogy. Regardless of how Awakens touched on a basic Star Wars outline, it did build up towards a climax and introduced interesting characters — it was a good beginning to a new trilogy, and then Rian decided to start his own. 
 

And seriously, WHERE IS LUKE’S GREEN LIGHTSABER

 

[ConstruxBoy]

did these guys just steal jenny nicholson's gimmick?

That is fantastic. Love it. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

That makes sense.  What makes no sense, in my mind, is to have him totally divorced from the creative of it.  

Right. George Lucas didn’t write and direct the whole original trilogy, but it was his story and he produced them. 

 

[Smack Tripper]

That is fantastic. Love it. 

This concept started with her to my knowledge, and then I know she did some work with them, I hope they threw her a few bucks for it.  This was the first one I believe and put her on the map, Its still pretty funny if you've seen suicide squad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMNFaAUs2mo

 

[ConstruxBoy]

It wasn’t that it was different that bothered me, it was that it #### on the movie it came after.
 

Throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder after the whole film built up to that moment, where Luke showed so much emotion without speaking a single word?!

Then the whole movie is a ship being chased slowly but somehow there were enough people not paying attention that Finn could just go to the casino world and back. 
 

Leia is blown into the vacuum of space for several minutes and floats like Mary Poppins. 
 

There are things I liked better the second viewing of TLJ (Rey/Kylo and fight scenes — even Luke) but it really killed the trilogy. Regardless of how Awakens touched on a basic Star Wars outline, it did build up towards a climax and introduced interesting characters — it was a good beginning to a new trilogy, and then Rian decided to start his own. 
 

And seriously, WHERE IS THE LUKE’S GREEN LIGHTSABER

I do agree that I didn't like that part at all. I feel like they should have showed her with Jedi powers in a different way than that. 

I thought the casino world was actually an interesting segment, showing those who profit off the wars on both sides. I didn't like Benicio's character although I liked that the stable boys knew of the resistance and had some powers. I think ending with the idea that more people throughout the galaxy understand and can apply the force was a great way for it to end. RoS should have had that story more central with the kids growing into the group that shows up to save them in the last battle. 

But I understand how the biggest fans of the stories, whom I have been calling fan boys, like the idea that only a tiny number of people born from specific lineage can understand and apply the force. You're just a SIth or a Jedi. I think the more interesting story is that the understanding and application of the force spreads throughout the galaxy. There are some bad people who use it, but ultimately, more good people and 7-9 could have shown some of those battles. 

Anyway, that's the general "vision" that I would have liked for 7-9 coming out of the vision that only certain people can apply the force in 1-6. 

 

[Smack Tripper]

It wasn’t that it was different that bothered me, it was that it #### on the movie it came after.
 

Throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder after the whole film built up to that moment, where Luke showed so much emotion without speaking a single word?!

Then the whole movie is a ship being chased slowly but somehow there were enough people not paying attention that Finn could just go to the casino world and back. 
 

Leia is blown into the vacuum of space for several minutes and floats like Mary Poppins. 
 

There are things I liked better the second viewing of TLJ (Rey/Kylo and fight scenes — even Luke) but it really killed the trilogy. Regardless of how Awakens touched on a basic Star Wars outline, it did build up towards a climax and introduced interesting characters — it was a good beginning to a new trilogy, and then Rian decided to start his own. 
 

And seriously, WHERE IS LUKE’S GREEN LIGHTSABER

did he give it to Leia or did Rey take Leia's saber in this movie?  

 

[Smack Tripper]

It wasn’t that it was different that bothered me, it was that it #### on the movie it came after.
 

Throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder after the whole film built up to that moment, where Luke showed so much emotion without speaking a single word?!

Then the whole movie is a ship being chased slowly but somehow there were enough people not paying attention that Finn could just go to the casino world and back. 
 

Leia is blown into the vacuum of space for several minutes and floats like Mary Poppins. 
 

There are things I liked better the second viewing of TLJ (Rey/Kylo and fight scenes — even Luke) but it really killed the trilogy. Regardless of how Awakens touched on a basic Star Wars outline, it did build up towards a climax and introduced interesting characters — it was a good beginning to a new trilogy, and then Rian decided to start his own. 
 

And seriously, WHERE IS LUKE’S GREEN LIGHTSABER

I'd add to this, fuel being an issue for the first time in the star wars universe and the kamikaze mission

 

[Jobber]

I think Joe needs to set up a separate Star Wars forum. Or move this to the Politics sub forum. 

 

[Insein]

I do agree that I didn't like that part at all. I feel like they should have showed her with Jedi powers in a different way than that. 

I thought the casino world was actually an interesting segment, showing those who profit off the wars on both sides. I didn't like Benicio's character although I liked that the stable boys knew of the resistance and had some powers. I think ending with the idea that more people throughout the galaxy understand and can apply the force was a great way for it to end. RoS should have had that story more central with the kids growing into the group that shows up to save them in the last battle. 

But I understand how the biggest fans of the stories, whom I have been calling fan boys, like the idea that only a tiny number of people born from specific lineage can understand and apply the force. You're just a SIth or a Jedi. I think the more interesting story is that the understanding and application of the force spreads throughout the galaxy. There are some bad people who use it, but ultimately, more good people and 7-9 could have shown some of those battles. 

Anyway, that's the general "vision" that I would have liked for 7-9 coming out of the vision that only certain people can apply the force in 1-6. 

This has never been the case in Star wars. Did you not watch 1-3? The Jedi academy identifies many different children from all kinds of races, backgrounds and familial histories that are force sensitive and invites them to train their abilities with them. Because learning to use the force is ####### hard. Sure you can have some latent abilities like limited precognition but using things like Jedi mind trick, or force push, pull, grab, choke take years to learn. 

The story itself was about Anakin Skywalker because that's how stories work. They focus on specific characters within a universe and tell their journey or their family's journey. The force has always been universal and open to any number of potential people.

What would have been interesting is of instead of Luke being a nephew murdering, old curmudgeon he actually had a flaw within his real character. Like he believed in the good in people too much which caused him to ignore the darkness growing in his nephew. He thought he could help steer him past the darkness much like Obiwan thought he could train Anakin properly. But then Ben strikes out against Luke's students one night and Luke has to fight him off. But instead of killing him, he lets him live causing this whole chain of events. Then we have Luke in character with a real reason to retreat ashamed. As an side to that we can see some force sensitive kids around the Galaxy that are not being trained properly doing some basic force stuff just to show the impact Luke not training the next he generation has had.

Something like that achieves the same thing without assasinating a well known character.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I just don't see the assassination of Luke that you apparently do. Sorry. 

And yes, the ideas of the academy from 1-3 seemed to be lost in 7 and 9. I feel like 8 brought that back a bit more. As I said, I would have liked 7-9 to focus on the force being used by more and more people, with varying levels of mastery, with small cameos of Luke, Han, Leia, etc., closing their paths in the story. 

 

[Ilov80s]

I am hoping for some advice here. I love the original trilogy. They are both nostalgic pieces of my childhood but also great movies. I was so excited for the prequels as a teenager but they were a huge letdown. I didn’t like any of them. That said, is this new Skywalker trilogy they wrapped up worth seeing?

 

[KarmaPolice]

I always thought JJ didn’t do 8 because he was exhausted from 7 and didn’t want to do two of those movies in a row. 

Maybe I am not thinking of this right, but I thought for this trilogy, they had hired JJ, then Johnson, then Trevereau (whatever the guy's name is that didn't Jurassic World) to do 7, 8, 9.  

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I just don't see the assassination of Luke that you apparently do. Sorry. 

And yes, the ideas of the academy from 1-3 seemed to be lost in 7 and 9. I feel like 8 brought that back a bit more. As I said, I would have liked 7-9 to focus on the force being used by more and more people, with varying levels of mastery, with small cameos of Luke, Han, Leia, etc., closing their paths in the story. 

This was supposed to be the conclusion of the Skywalker Saga. That is even how it is titled on Disney+. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

Disney pushed the envelope pretty far in this one.  They literally had a Sith Lord sucking the power or souls out of two people.  I don’t know what you mean by comparing those movies to Star Wars, but I assume it’s their graphic violence and language, which just isn’t necessary for a good movie, and especially one kids are going to see.

There was some of that stuff in EP3 - Anakin burning up, younglings getting killed, etc..     When I say "push the envelope" I mean getting away from what I believe they did in 7 and 9 - hit a lot of tropes and same things as the originals.  

 

[KarmaPolice]

I think Joe needs to set up a separate Star Wars forum. Or move this to the Politics sub forum. 

or you could not click on the thread. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

I am hoping for some advice here. I love the original trilogy. They are both nostalgic pieces of my childhood but also great movies. I was so excited for the prequels as a teenager but they were a huge letdown. I didn’t like any of them. That said, is this new Skywalker trilogy they wrapped up worth seeing?

@Ilov80s - I still say yes - watch them.  I think these movies are better than the prequels, but I would say that keep in mind (JMO) they are pretty derivative of the originals.  Not breaking new ground but they are fun.  

I was listening to pod lately that had a funny way of describing them (mostly this last movie) - it's a Star Wars buffet.  

 

[Ilov80s]

@Ilov80s - I still say yes - watch them.  I think these movies are better than the prequels, but I would say that keep in mind (JMO) they are pretty derivative of the originals.  Not breaking new ground but they are fun.  

I was listening to pod lately that had a funny way of describing them (mostly this last movie) - it's a Star Wars buffet.  

Are any of the other side movies any good? I am correct in saying there’s some other SW movies that aren’t part of this trilogy, right?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Are any of the other side movies any good? I am correct in saying there’s some other SW movies that aren’t part of this trilogy, right?

Again - IMO.   I think Rogue One is right up there with the original.  Easily the best of the new wave of movies.  Solo is the only Star Wars movie I had no desire to watch again and actually disliked.  

ETA:  I think most around here are in agreement with Rogue One, but Solo is debatable (although I don't think many think it's top level SW).  There is also a bit of disagreement about the quality level of The Mandalorian.  

 

[Insein]

Are any of the other side movies any good? I am correct in saying there’s some other SW movies that aren’t part of this trilogy, right?

Rogue one. If you loved the original trilogy this is the one Disney movie that looks and feels a part of that universe. Sets up everything to a New Hope (a bit too neatly) but it was a great addition.

 

[Capella]

I think Joe needs to set up a separate Star Wars forum. Or move this to the Politics sub forum. 

Yes this board is really hopping otherwise. We’re the only people still visiting this place. 

 

[Capella]

Maybe I am not thinking of this right, but I thought for this trilogy, they had hired JJ, then Johnson, then Trevereau (whatever the guy's name is that didn't Jurassic World) to do 7, 8, 9.  

Right. What I read was JJ didn’t want to do another so they hired Rian for 8, then the other guy for 9 and then something happened with the other guy so JJ came back. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

Right. What I read was JJ didn’t want to do another so they hired Rian for 8, then the other guy for 9 and then something happened with the other guy so JJ came back. 

Gotcha, so it wasn't set up like that from the get-go?

 

[Capella]

Gotcha, so it wasn't set up like that from the get-go?

As far as I know there wasn’t a set-up from the start. Just JJ in 7 and go from there. Could be wrong though. 

 

[Insein]

Right. What I read was JJ didn’t want to do another so they hired Rian for 8, then the other guy for 9 and then something happened with the other guy so JJ came back. 

Trevrrows original script had plans for Snoke and Luke being alive. He then had an argument with KK about it and she fired him. 

 

[Jobber]

or you could not click on the thread. 

I’m interested in SW,  just some losers tar it too seriously.

 

[Insein]

I’m interested in SW,  just some losers tar it too seriously.

Kind of like being a message board for magic football?

 

[Politician Spock]

This has never been the case in Star wars. Did you not watch 1-3? The Jedi academy identifies many different children from all kinds of races, backgrounds and familial histories that are force sensitive and invites them to train their abilities with them. Because learning to use the force is ####### hard. Sure you can have some latent abilities like limited precognition but using things like Jedi mind trick, or force push, pull, grab, choke take years to learn. 

The story itself was about Anakin Skywalker because that's how stories work. They focus on specific characters within a universe and tell their journey or their family's journey. The force has always been universal and open to any number of potential people.

What would have been interesting is of instead of Luke being a nephew murdering, old curmudgeon he actually had a flaw within his real character. Like he believed in the good in people too much which caused him to ignore the darkness growing in his nephew. He thought he could help steer him past the darkness much like Obiwan thought he could train Anakin properly. But then Ben strikes out against Luke's students one night and Luke has to fight him off. But instead of killing him, he lets him live causing this whole chain of events. Then we have Luke in character with a real reason to retreat ashamed. As an side to that we can see some force sensitive kids around the Galaxy that are not being trained properly doing some basic force stuff just to show the impact Luke not training the next he generation has had.

Something like that achieves the same thing without assasinating a well known character.

I would have preferred that Luke realized that the Jedi had to end because the force always results in balance... always. Which means if Jedi are training each other to be the best they can be, the force naturally responds with an equally opposite strength... the rise of sith. So if the universe needs to be without sith, then it needs to be without Jedi. 

 

[Insein]

I would have preferred that Luke realized that the Jedi had to end because the force always results in balance... always. Which means if Jedi are training each other to be the best they can be, the force naturally responds with an equally opposite strength... the rise of sith. So if the universe needs to be without sith, then it needs to be without Jedi. 

There have been many different interpretations of "balance" in the lore. Even a bit earlier in the thread. I don't think it's as cut and dry as more Jedi equal more Sith rise up. The Jedi were in power and kept the peace for thousands of years until Palpatine did his thing. 

 

[Politician Spock]

There have been many different interpretations of "balance" in the lore. Even a bit earlier in the thread. I don't think it's as cut and dry as more Jedi equal more Sith rise up. The Jedi were in power and kept the peace for thousands of years until Palpatine did his thing. 

There were sith before Palpatine.

My understanding of what made Papatine so unique was what he did politically. 

 

[Insein]

There were sith before Palpatine.

My understanding of what made Papatine so unique was what he did politically. 

Exactly. There have been Sith around but you could clearly see the Jedi were "in power" while the Sith hid. So I don't know that balance is a literal thing between enough light and enough dark. 

 

[Brunell4MVP]

My ratings of the 9 real episodes because I'm bored...

Phantom Menace - 3/10

Attack of the Clones - 4/10

Revenge of the Sith - Rating 8/10

A New Hope - Rating 9/10

Empire Strokes Back - 10/10

Return of the Jedi - 8/10

The Force Awakens - 6/10

The Last Jedi - 7/10

Rise of Skywalker - 8/10

 

[NewlyRetired]

I would have preferred that Luke realized that the Jedi had to end because the force always results in balance... always. Which means if Jedi are training each other to be the best they can be, the force naturally responds with an equally opposite strength... the rise of sith. So if the universe needs to be without sith, then it needs to be without Jedi. 

As mentioned earlier in the thread, "balance" of the force has nothing to do with equal light/dark or equal good and bad.

Balance is entirely a Jedi term.  In the Jedi definition, balance in the force means that there are no dark forces at all and that everything is perfectly harmonious on the light side.

I think it was a poor wording choice on Lucas's part because most people assume balance of the force means equal light and dark but that is not the meaning.

 

[Politician Spock]

As mentioned earlier in the thread, "balance" of the force has nothing to do with equal light/dark or equal good and bad.

Balance is entirely a Jedi term.  In the Jedi definition, balance in the force means that there are no dark forces at all and that everything is perfectly harmonious on the light side.

I think it was a poor wording choice on Lucas's part because most people assume balance of the force means equal light and dark but that is not the meaning.

A word misunderstood by the Jedi could have been.

 

[shader]

I just don't see the assassination of Luke that you apparently do. Sorry. 

And yes, the ideas of the academy from 1-3 seemed to be lost in 7 and 9. I feel like 8 brought that back a bit more. As I said, I would have liked 7-9 to focus on the force being used by more and more people, with varying levels of mastery, with small cameos of Luke, Han, Leia, etc., closing their paths in the story. 

Probably because the academy was destroyed?  Without the academy to identify and develop people with the force, they'd never arise as the Emperor/Vader had exterminated all the Jedi aside from Luke/Leia and then Rey/Kylo.

 

[shader]

@Ilov80s - I still say yes - watch them.  I think these movies are better than the prequels, but I would say that keep in mind (JMO) they are pretty derivative of the originals.  Not breaking new ground but they are fun.  

I was listening to pod lately that had a funny way of describing them (mostly this last movie) - it's a Star Wars buffet.  

@Ilov80s I agree that these movies are far better and I'd agree that you need to watch them.

I have no idea what "derivative of the originals" means, but it's just something that people love to say right now.  If the movies diverge from the originals too much "they don't feel like star wars".  If the movies try to feel like star wars, they are "derivative and unoriginal".  It's an impossible to please fanbase.

Watch them and enjoy them.

 

[TripItUp]

Saw it last night.

I was mildly disappointed.   Not as bad as the last one, but certainly not as good as the original trilogy, Rogue 1 or even the Mandalorian series.

JJ is what he is as a Director and has obvious flaws and limitations.

Empire Strikes Back is the best Science Fiction/Fantasy movie of all time.   Rogue 1 is the closest Disney has come to recapturing the magic.

NOW GET OFF MY LAWN

 

[shader]

Saw a really cool interview with JJ about fan expectations.  Someone asked about how he went about making a movie that could please everyone.  He laughed of course and was talking about how impossible that task was.  He said that they couldn't worry about that because literally every single decision would be hated and loved by someone, so they had to do what felt right.  From that perspective I'm so appreciative of the final movie. They gave fans a movie that most fans would love and let this series of movies thankfully be put to rest.  I'm dying for a Star Wars movie to be created in a time or part of the galaxy that is completely untouched by the current timeline.  I think that will be great for the franchise and help with fan expectations.

Because fan expectations at this point are absurd.  Pick a character and someone hates them.  Pick a plotline and someone hates it.  Pick an opinion and someone holds both sides of it.  It's impossible.  The movies are both unoriginal and they don't feel like Star Wars.  The new characters are awesome or they are boring.  I've seen people claim Poe is the issue with the whole sequels.  TLJ is unbelievable and it destroyed the sequels.  It just gets old at times and I suppose that JJ can't wait to get back to a movie that people will watch, enjoy, and then move on with their lives.  It would be tough for me to devote myself to a project that received this much scrutiny.  So I'm glad he risked that and gave us a great movie, even though there are now many people who hate his work and think he destroyed the franchise.

 

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Saw it last night.

I was mildly disappointed.   Not as bad as the last one, but certainly not as good as the original trilogy, Rogue 1 or even the Mandalorian series.

Bay is what he is as a Director and has obvious flaws and limitations.

Empire Strikes Back is the best Science Fiction/Fantasy movie of all time.   Rogue 1 is the closest Disney has come to recapturing the magic.

NOW GET OFF MY LAWN

Now THAT would be a bad trilogy.

 

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Saw a really cool interview with JJ about fan expectations.  Someone asked about how he went about making a movie that could please everyone.  He laughed of course and was talking about how impossible that task was.  He said that they couldn't worry about that because literally every single decision would be hated and loved by someone, so they had to do what felt right.  From that perspective I'm so appreciative of the final movie. They gave fans a movie that most fans would love and let this series of movies thankfully be put to rest.  I'm dying for a Star Wars movie to be created in a time or part of the galaxy that is completely untouched by the current timeline.  I think that will be great for the franchise and help with fan expectations.

Because fan expectations at this point are absurd.  Pick a character and someone hates them.  Pick a plotline and someone hates it.  Pick an opinion and someone holds both sides of it.  It's impossible.  The movies are both unoriginal and they don't feel like Star Wars.  The new characters are awesome or they are boring.  I've seen people claim Poe is the issue with the whole sequels.  TLJ is unbelievable and it destroyed the sequels.  It just gets old at times and I suppose that JJ can't wait to get back to a movie that people will watch, enjoy, and then move on with their lives.  It would be tough for me to devote myself to a project that received this much scrutiny.  So I'm glad he risked that and gave us a great movie, even though there are now many people who hate his work and think he destroyed the franchise.

It's not some impossible task.   Rogue 1 was amazing.   Even the Mandalorian was better.

Get the right freaking Director for the love of all that is holy.  Not difficult. 

The world is throwing billions at you, figure it out.

 

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It's not some impossible task.   Rogue 1 was amazing.   Even the Mandalorian was better.

Get the right freaking Director for the love of all that is holy.  Not difficult. 

The world is throwing billions at you, figure it out.

Of course it's an impossible task and your post proves it.  Your opinion is just that, YOUR opinion.  At this point one week in, my opinion is that Episode 9 is my favorite movie of them all.  That goes to show my entire point.  You speak as if your opinion is the definitive truth and therefore it should be easy to make a movie the right way.  Because you're thinking of yourself...and what you would like.

There are plenty of people out there that don't like Rogue 1 and don't think it's amazing.  To me, although I do really enjoy the movie, I thought the lead actors were very boring (as an example, I am not excited at all about the Cassian Andor series).  I do love Mandalorian, but plenty of people don't.  Which proves the point I was making.  You can't please everyone.

 

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Of course it's an impossible task and your post proves it.  Your opinion is just that, YOUR opinion.  At this point one week in, my opinion is that Episode 9 is my favorite movie of them all.  That goes to show my entire point.  You speak as if your opinion is the definitive truth and therefore it should be easy to make a movie the right way.  Because you're thinking of yourself...and what you would like.

There are plenty of people out there that don't like Rogue 1 and don't think it's amazing.  To me, although I do really enjoy the movie, I thought the lead actors were very boring (as an example, I am not excited at all about the Cassian Andor series).  I do love Mandalorian, but plenty of people don't.  Which proves the point I was making.  You can't please everyone.

Of course there will always be differing opinions, but the consensus was right about Rogue 1 being great and Right about Episode 8 being terrible.

I'll be happy with a consensus good film more often than not.