Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I'd really like to see Meredith, Lang, or Moore with this last 3rd rounder.
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***OFFICIAL*** Steelers 2009 Thread (1 Viewer)
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Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Shipley knocked it out of the park on his Wonderlick too. I 
me some smarts at C.
Meredith was possibly the most athletic OL in this draft. Would love him too.
me some smarts at C.Meredith was possibly the most athletic OL in this draft. Would love him too.
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He's zippy fast, but definitely somewhat raw. Hopefully he can settle in and learn from Hines and Holmes, but he can be a game-changer right away as a return man if he stays healthy and holds on to the ball.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Pitt could have won two more Super Bowls recently if they had somebody who could CATCH a punt!
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Whatever is causing Moore to fall, I don't think I want to be the team to find out.
Three picks to go. Meredeth and Lang both still available.
:fingerscrossed:
Three picks to go. Meredeth and Lang both still available.
:fingerscrossed:
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Will they grab the T?
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Not surprising. But effin Max Starks.
Incremental improvements will definitely be the key this season. For this team, that should be good enough to keep us in contention. If we can muster a pretty decent return game and get Sepulveda back, we could be looking at a pretty nice field position margin.The short yardage offense is another area where we could make notable improvements, so hopefully we'll draft a bruiser in the late 5th or 6th to help that along.Cookiemonster said:
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Cookiemonster
Footballguy
NoIdiot Boxer said:
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I didn't know much about Lewis, but was unsurprised by this pick. Limited athletically, but is a willing tackler in run support, is very smart, a natural leader, and plays with a motor. Steelers just continue to draft guys who fit their ethos - hard workers, leaders, high-character guys, smart football players. No arguments.
ceisenhower66
Footballguy
Sounds like another hard worker. Nothing flashy with any of these picks, but I'm liking the trend of picking guys who fit the Steelers' mold.After two seasons of battling injuries, Lewis had a healthy senior campaign, establishing himself as one of the most physical cornerbacks in the West. His work ethic and team-first attitude saw him perform at a level that has professional scouts feeling that he will quickly emerge as one of the National Football League's elite pass defenders.
Lewis not only excelled on the football field, but also received recognition for his success in the classroom, earning Academic All-Pac 10 Conference honors as a senior. That undoubtedly pleased his mother, Muriel, a teacher at Martin Behrman Elementary School.
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Franknbeans
Footballguy
PITTSBURGH -- The Steelers moved to improve their dreadful short-yardage run game by making Wisconsin guard Kraig Urbik their first pick of the second day of the draft.
Urbik is a 6-5 ¼, 328 pounder who was a four-year starter at Wisconsin, where he played right tackle as a redshirt freshman before moving to right guard. He made 45 consecutive starts and was going for the school record of 50 when he injured his knee last season against Penn State and missed two games.
Urbik finished the season by being named second team All-Big Ten Conference for the second time. He’s an alert, strong, durable, versatile and hard-working player. He’s not considered a mobile, get-to-the-second-level player, but Urbik will add necessary muscle up front.
“I love him,” said Steelers offensive coordinator Bruce Arians. “Big, tough, nasty. If you watch him play one-on-one, you’re not going to pick him on your team. But it’s about playing together and this kid understands football.”
Arians said that Urbik will also learn the center position to give him the versatility of playing four positions, but Arians also said that Urbik will compete for the starting right guard position this season.
With the second pick of the third round, the Steelers drafted a more exciting player in Ole Miss wide receiver/return specialist Mike Wallace, a 6-0 3/8, 199-pounder with 4.31 speed and a vertical jump of 40 inches.
“He’s a burner,” Arians said. “He’s not gone over the middle a lot but he’s an outside-speed guy who’s an excellent return guy. We really, really like him.”
Arians said that he wrote down the two names – Urbik and Wallace – three weeks ago, “and I just watched them drop,” he said.
Wallace comes from a tough upbringing in New Orleans and landed at Ole Miss where he spent the last two seasons as one of the top kickoff return men in the SEC, as well as one of the top receiving deep threats. He led the SEC with a yards-per-reception average of 18.8 in 2007, and improved to 20.1 last year. He caught 101 passes for 1,910 yards and 14 touchdowns in his career and averaged 23.2 yards per kickoff return and returned two kickoffs for touchdowns.
“He’ll work on his punt returning but he’s primarily a kickoff returner,” Arians said. “We’re looking for someone to replace Nate (Washington) outside and he’s a candidate. Inside, that takes time.”
With their final pick of the third round, the Steelers selected cornerback Keenan Lewis of Oregon State. Lewis, a 6-1, 198-pound cover guy, was actually a high school teammate of Wallace. The Steelers compare him favorably to Ike Taylor.
Urbik is a 6-5 ¼, 328 pounder who was a four-year starter at Wisconsin, where he played right tackle as a redshirt freshman before moving to right guard. He made 45 consecutive starts and was going for the school record of 50 when he injured his knee last season against Penn State and missed two games.
Urbik finished the season by being named second team All-Big Ten Conference for the second time. He’s an alert, strong, durable, versatile and hard-working player. He’s not considered a mobile, get-to-the-second-level player, but Urbik will add necessary muscle up front.
“I love him,” said Steelers offensive coordinator Bruce Arians. “Big, tough, nasty. If you watch him play one-on-one, you’re not going to pick him on your team. But it’s about playing together and this kid understands football.”
Arians said that Urbik will also learn the center position to give him the versatility of playing four positions, but Arians also said that Urbik will compete for the starting right guard position this season.
With the second pick of the third round, the Steelers drafted a more exciting player in Ole Miss wide receiver/return specialist Mike Wallace, a 6-0 3/8, 199-pounder with 4.31 speed and a vertical jump of 40 inches.
“He’s a burner,” Arians said. “He’s not gone over the middle a lot but he’s an outside-speed guy who’s an excellent return guy. We really, really like him.”
Arians said that he wrote down the two names – Urbik and Wallace – three weeks ago, “and I just watched them drop,” he said.
Wallace comes from a tough upbringing in New Orleans and landed at Ole Miss where he spent the last two seasons as one of the top kickoff return men in the SEC, as well as one of the top receiving deep threats. He led the SEC with a yards-per-reception average of 18.8 in 2007, and improved to 20.1 last year. He caught 101 passes for 1,910 yards and 14 touchdowns in his career and averaged 23.2 yards per kickoff return and returned two kickoffs for touchdowns.
“He’ll work on his punt returning but he’s primarily a kickoff returner,” Arians said. “We’re looking for someone to replace Nate (Washington) outside and he’s a candidate. Inside, that takes time.”
With their final pick of the third round, the Steelers selected cornerback Keenan Lewis of Oregon State. Lewis, a 6-1, 198-pound cover guy, was actually a high school teammate of Wallace. The Steelers compare him favorably to Ike Taylor.
Barry Jive and The Uptown Five
Footballguy
The thing I like about the Wallace & Lewis... they are both 6-feet tall.
DJ Moore's 5-9 stature was my biggest concern with him. Lewis sounds very much like William Gay coming out of Louisville.
Very happy with the Urbik selection at Guard. VERY happy!!!
Now for the end of RD 5... Developmental Tackle & DE/DT
(I wonder if Merdith is experiencing the Carl Nicks drop. He went RD 5 to the Saints and started most of his rookie season).
Names I'm looking for:
OL - Schlueter, Gardner & Meredith
DE - Bennett, Pedescleaux & Egboh
DT - T. Taylor & Chris Baker
WR - I'd still take Dillard in a heart beat.
TE - IF Casey is still there, it would be hard to pass on him as well.
DJ Moore's 5-9 stature was my biggest concern with him. Lewis sounds very much like William Gay coming out of Louisville.
Very happy with the Urbik selection at Guard. VERY happy!!!
Now for the end of RD 5... Developmental Tackle & DE/DT
(I wonder if Merdith is experiencing the Carl Nicks drop. He went RD 5 to the Saints and started most of his rookie season).
Names I'm looking for:
OL - Schlueter, Gardner & Meredith
DE - Bennett, Pedescleaux & Egboh
DT - T. Taylor & Chris Baker
WR - I'd still take Dillard in a heart beat.
TE - IF Casey is still there, it would be hard to pass on him as well.
The Hank
Footballguy
Casey seems like a "Steeler" guy to me. Does whatever it takes to help the team.
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
Just watched tape Wallace & Lewis on Yahoo's draft site.
Wallace will be one of those guys like Nate that has a 15+ yards per reception because everyting he'll catch will be downfield. He just needs to quit carry the ball like a down by his hip when he runs. It also looks like he has a weird stride for someone who's that fast.
I liked what I saw of Lewis as a corner & he he even looked good returning a kick for a TD.
Wallace will be one of those guys like Nate that has a 15+ yards per reception because everyting he'll catch will be downfield. He just needs to quit carry the ball like a down by his hip when he runs. It also looks like he has a weird stride for someone who's that fast.
I liked what I saw of Lewis as a corner & he he even looked good returning a kick for a TD.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I'd get wood if we ended up with two of those 3 in ten more picks.
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I think Shipley will be a Steeler
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
DT - Ricky Jean-Francois - LSU
DT/DE - Mitch King - IOWA
C - A.Q. Shipley - PSU
OT- Jamon Meredith - SCU
OT - Fenuki Tupou - ORE
S - Chris Clemons - CLEMSON
DT/DE - Mitch King - IOWA
C - A.Q. Shipley - PSU
OT- Jamon Meredith - SCU
OT - Fenuki Tupou - ORE
S - Chris Clemons - CLEMSON
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So much for MeredithSome guys I hope the Steelers are looking at right nowT - Ricky Jean-Francois - LSUDT/DE - Mitch King - IOWAC - A.Q. Shipley - PSUOT- Jamon Meredith - SCUOT - Fenuki Tupou - ORES - Chris Clemons - CLEMSON
Can't say we don't have a stack of return man prospects now. 
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
WHY?
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Hate the CB pick. Ok with Summers.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I understand Burnett. They spent a lot of time with him. Why a RB when they just cut Russel? I doubt Shipley makes it to a 6th and I can only hope Ricky Jean is a relative unknown. DL depth is badly needed.
The Hank
Footballguy
Summers is a FB.Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of Carey Davis.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I told you, IB - one interior line prospect and maybe a developmental guy or two very late. I'm not on drugs. 
Having seen a lot of Burnett in person living in Orlando, I can tell you the guy is an underrated prospect because he's not tall and doesn't have elite timed speed. However, he's a terrific punt/kick returner and can step in and be a nickel corner. He's a terrific athlete and has incredible vision and instincts - big play waiting to happen. Of course, if he doesn't flash in camp, he's also the kind of guy who could end up on the practice squad because he doesn't have size or elite timed speed. I think they would have been better off moving up a few spots and grabbing Meredith, Robinson, or Johnson. Those are 3 guys with starter upside. I think Burnett's ceiling is as a #2 corner and a top punt returner, but more likely a reserve corner and hopefully the starting PR. He was one of the first guys Pittsburgh brought in, and someone I frankly expected to see them take with one of these two picks.
Summers, well... there's your short yardage back. They're using these late round picks to fill very specific immediate needs. They've got a KR specialist, a GL specialist, 2 guys to compete for the CB3 and CB4 spots, and interior line depth. So far, I like the draft, but I do agree with IB that a developmental LT with potential might have been wise. They can rectify that if they go Lydon Murtha in round 6.
Having seen a lot of Burnett in person living in Orlando, I can tell you the guy is an underrated prospect because he's not tall and doesn't have elite timed speed. However, he's a terrific punt/kick returner and can step in and be a nickel corner. He's a terrific athlete and has incredible vision and instincts - big play waiting to happen. Of course, if he doesn't flash in camp, he's also the kind of guy who could end up on the practice squad because he doesn't have size or elite timed speed. I think they would have been better off moving up a few spots and grabbing Meredith, Robinson, or Johnson. Those are 3 guys with starter upside. I think Burnett's ceiling is as a #2 corner and a top punt returner, but more likely a reserve corner and hopefully the starting PR. He was one of the first guys Pittsburgh brought in, and someone I frankly expected to see them take with one of these two picks.
Summers, well... there's your short yardage back. They're using these late round picks to fill very specific immediate needs. They've got a KR specialist, a GL specialist, 2 guys to compete for the CB3 and CB4 spots, and interior line depth. So far, I like the draft, but I do agree with IB that a developmental LT with potential might have been wise. They can rectify that if they go Lydon Murtha in round 6.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Summers is unskilled and not a threat as a primary runner, but he's an absolute battering ram with the ball in his hands and can catch the ball out of the backfield (not like the Steelers ever throw to the FB.) He's basically a guy who will be in the game in short-yardage and inside the 5 situations.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
No. You're still on drugs. You said no lineman until late.I told you, IB - one interior line prospect and maybe a developmental guy or two very late. I'm not on drugs.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
If they can get Murtha in the 6th, I'll be moderately consoled. I still don't understand 2CBs plus Keiwan.I told you, IB - one interior line prospect and maybe a developmental guy or two very late. I'm not on drugs.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
If they want a FB, aren't there much better FB prospects? I guess I just don't agree with the FB/RB tweeners. I prefer the Lester/Kreider more traditional FB if you're going to have one at all.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
That's what I said. Am I still on drugs?
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I said Meredith was a great athlete at OT. Murtha looks like Muhammed Ali next to George Foreman by comparison. Murtha is the biggest TE in the draft. Most TEs would kill to have Murtha's measurables. I would still rather have seen another DL or OL to another CB.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I read it as "and that may be in round 4-5" As in they won't take an O-lineman until 4-5. I stand corrected. Outside of not getting an LT of any kind (thus far), this isn't a terrible draft. I would have grabbed an LT instead of the WR...especially now that we have the second CB that can return kicks.That's what I said. Am I still on drugs?
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I agree with you.... I don't think Starks is here after this season and they're basically FORCING themselves to pursue a LT in free agency or round 1 next year. The Wallace pick, IMO, was a direct replacement for Nate - he'll fill that role well (catching long TDs and dropping catchable balls.) I think the tackle should have been taken at #96 or they should have packaged the 5th and a 7th to move up for Meredith, they obviously just won't go after guys with questionable passion and motor.I read it as "and that may be in round 4-5" As in they won't take an O-lineman until 4-5. I stand corrected. Outside of not getting an LT of any kind (thus far), this isn't a terrible draft. I would have grabbed an LT instead of the WR...especially now that we have the second CB that can return kicks.That's what I said. Am I still on drugs?
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Are Cadogan and/or the kid from Florida still on the board?
ETA : Watkins is the guy from Florida I was thinking of. Another possibility is Gardner from Ga. tech - he's a Steelers kind of guy.
ETA : Watkins is the guy from Florida I was thinking of. Another possibility is Gardner from Ga. tech - he's a Steelers kind of guy.
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This is my thinking, too. If Summers sticks, Davis is likely gone and we'll have an outstanding set of pass-catchers coming out of the backfield.
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
And Gardner goes as I was typing that.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Alex Boone probably has the best upside of any T left, but no way the Steelers touch him with all his off-the-field antics. I admire a guy who publicly admits he has often consumed 30-40 beers a day, but I don't think Tomlin will be impressed.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Ra'Shon Harris, DT6'5" 300 Oregon
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Meh.
Overall grade: C
They clearly drafted for need addressing D-line, CB, WR and the return game, though they still ignored the LT position which forces us to spend big bucks next year on one.
Overall grade: C
They clearly drafted for need addressing D-line, CB, WR and the return game, though they still ignored the LT position which forces us to spend big bucks next year on one.
The Hank
Footballguy
Steelers drafts aren't supposed to be sexy.They filled alot of needs in the draft. The DE/DT's desperately needed an infusion of young talent. Hood is an "energizer" bunny who is probably the heir apparent to Keisel at DE. He's big, fast and doesnt take any plays off. DT Harris, who knows, but he has the measurables to put on some bulk (6'5") and fill in at NT when Hampton leaves. In any case, should be an instant contributor to ST.CB was incredibly weak beforehand. Now, with Ratliff, Lewis, and Burnett added, it is now much much stronger.The KR/PR was awful last season (minus work by Santonio). They added 2 great options in Mike Wallace and Joe Burnett. Wallace also fills a need at WR4, while Burnett can compete for #4-5 CB.The Steelers needed another versatile OL-man with T. Essex (WHO could step in for Starks possibly if he continues to develop). They get Urbik, a solid, blue-collar player he has the versatility to play T or G, and possibly C. Not to mention they still have Hills that can play T.They needed a true GL back. Frank "the Tank" is a powerful, big man who can play FB, but also RB in certain situations. He was UNLV's leading reciver and is 240 lbs. Quoting his interview, "... if I didnt like to score TD's, I probably would've been an LB." He also didnt describe himself as a "football player", rather than a FB or HB... who loves to make big hits... and wants to do whatever is best for the team." Sounds like a Steeler to me.and oh yeah, they have 2 more picks left.
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this team won the super bowl with the toughest schedule, and now they have the easiest, and so they obviously are considered contenders once again. they had holes and they patched them, and the players they got weren't reaches. i don't see how any steeler fan can be unhappy with this draft. a C is too low a grade. i think a B is more like it.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Shipley - GREAT pick - I think this guy can make the team as a 7th rounder.
Shipley @ 226 seems like a great thing. 
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Shipley's a guy who struggles with both size and speed, but he's a worker and when you watch him play, he kicks people's a**es. I like him, well worth a 7th.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Love getting Shipley here. Still hate the gaping wound at LT, but I'll bump this to B- with Shipley. If they get Cadogan or Murtha with their last pick, I might bump it to B
