***OFFICIAL*** Steelers 2012 Thread (2 Viewers)

[The Hank]

Steelers coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012 - Pittsburgh Post-GazetteThe Steelers coaching staff could undergo its first major change in the Mike Tomlin era because offensive coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has learned.Arians, 57, is in the final year of his contract with the Steelers, and it is unclear if he is retiring -- something he considered last year -- or not having his contract renewed.Arians has been the offensive coordinator since Tomlin became head coach in 2007. He was told last week by Tomlin that he would return in 2012, and Tomlin even indicated as much in a press conference one day after the Steelers' playoff loss in Denver.However, team president Art Rooney II indicated on Tuesday that some members of the coaching staff were considering retirement.Arians considered retiring after the 2010 season because of health problems and other issues. He even skipped attending the NFL combine in February while he mulled his decision.

Absent the comment of Art Rooney II I would say this is pure speculation on the part of the Post Gazette. However taken with Rooney's comments it makes me think that maybe Arians will retire. Assuming Arians does step down who would you like to take over as OC? Would the Steelers promote Randy Fichtner or look outside the organization? For some reason I don't think it would be Jim Caldwell but maybe Rooney's desire to see Ben take less sacks (ala Peyton Manning) maybe the Steelers would bringing him in. If not the list might include Jim Zorn, Mike Sullivan, Tom Clements, Mike Shula or Joe Lombardi.Anyone else they might consider?

Only reason I bring Caldwell up is that Arians was Mannings QB Coach/OC before making the move over to PIT.Just makes sense to me I supposeTom Clements makes sense (given his history with Ben in the past).Another guy from outside the organization is Todd Haley, was OC for Arizona in their super bowl year and HC for KC for a couple years.He's currently available and mulling only options for QB coaching (back in AZ) according to local reports. He would be much more interested in an OC position.

 

[The Hank]

@EdBouchette: Kirby Wilson was to be next in line for #Steelers offensive coordinator.

Now THAT's just an insensitive smiley!

 

[Godsbrother]

@EdBouchette: Kirby Wilson was to be next in line for #Steelers offensive coordinator.

Now THAT's just an insensitive smiley!

 

[The Hank]

Steelers coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012 - Pittsburgh Post-GazetteThe Steelers coaching staff could undergo its first major change in the Mike Tomlin era because offensive coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has learned.Arians, 57, is in the final year of his contract with the Steelers, and it is unclear if he is retiring -- something he considered last year -- or not having his contract renewed.Arians has been the offensive coordinator since Tomlin became head coach in 2007. He was told last week by Tomlin that he would return in 2012, and Tomlin even indicated as much in a press conference one day after the Steelers' playoff loss in Denver.However, team president Art Rooney II indicated on Tuesday that some members of the coaching staff were considering retirement.Arians considered retiring after the 2010 season because of health problems and other issues. He even skipped attending the NFL combine in February while he mulled his decision.

Absent the comment of Art Rooney II I would say this is pure speculation on the part of the Post Gazette. However taken with Rooney's comments it makes me think that maybe Arians will retire. Assuming Arians does step down who would you like to take over as OC? Would the Steelers promote Randy Fichtner or look outside the organization? For some reason I don't think it would be Jim Caldwell but maybe Rooney's desire to see Ben take less sacks (ala Peyton Manning) maybe the Steelers would bringing him in. If not the list might include Jim Zorn, Mike Sullivan, Tom Clements, Mike Shula or Joe Lombardi.Anyone else they might consider?

Only reason I bring Caldwell up is that Arians was Mannings QB Coach/OC before making the move over to PIT.Just makes sense to me I supposeTom Clements makes sense (given his history with Ben in the past).Another guy from outside the organization is Todd Haley, was OC for Arizona in their super bowl year and HC for KC for a couple years.He's currently available and mulling only options for QB coaching (back in AZ) according to local reports. He would be much more interested in an OC position.

There's also Brian Schottenheimer and Hue Jackson working the Free Agent OC circuit too, not sure that either of those are a fit though.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Tom Clements is an interesting name. I think I would support that. Was not a resounding success in Buffalo in his only try at OC, but I don't put much of that on him. Lossman was never going to lead a team. Lots of Pittsburgh ties. As an aside, I wanted him as PSU HC.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Steelers coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012 - Pittsburgh Post-GazetteThe Steelers coaching staff could undergo its first major change in the Mike Tomlin era because offensive coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has learned.Arians, 57, is in the final year of his contract with the Steelers, and it is unclear if he is retiring -- something he considered last year -- or not having his contract renewed.Arians has been the offensive coordinator since Tomlin became head coach in 2007. He was told last week by Tomlin that he would return in 2012, and Tomlin even indicated as much in a press conference one day after the Steelers' playoff loss in Denver.However, team president Art Rooney II indicated on Tuesday that some members of the coaching staff were considering retirement.Arians considered retiring after the 2010 season because of health problems and other issues. He even skipped attending the NFL combine in February while he mulled his decision.

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If Arians leaves, Internally I'd expect Randy Fichtner (QB Coach) to get named or externally they'd probably go after ... that's right, ex-Colts HC Jim Caldwell to step in as OC.

Is there a connection to Caldwell besides the Tomlin-Dungy connection, and him being the former Indy HC that Im not aware of?ETA: Nevermind, saw your psot on this page

 

[The Hank]

Steelers coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012 - Pittsburgh Post-GazetteThe Steelers coaching staff could undergo its first major change in the Mike Tomlin era because offensive coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has learned.Arians, 57, is in the final year of his contract with the Steelers, and it is unclear if he is retiring -- something he considered last year -- or not having his contract renewed.Arians has been the offensive coordinator since Tomlin became head coach in 2007. He was told last week by Tomlin that he would return in 2012, and Tomlin even indicated as much in a press conference one day after the Steelers' playoff loss in Denver.However, team president Art Rooney II indicated on Tuesday that some members of the coaching staff were considering retirement.Arians considered retiring after the 2010 season because of health problems and other issues. He even skipped attending the NFL combine in February while he mulled his decision.

Absent the comment of Art Rooney II I would say this is pure speculation on the part of the Post Gazette. However taken with Rooney's comments it makes me think that maybe Arians will retire. Assuming Arians does step down who would you like to take over as OC? Would the Steelers promote Randy Fichtner or look outside the organization? For some reason I don't think it would be Jim Caldwell but maybe Rooney's desire to see Ben take less sacks (ala Peyton Manning) maybe the Steelers would bringing him in. If not the list might include Jim Zorn, Mike Sullivan, Tom Clements, Mike Shula or Joe Lombardi.Anyone else they might consider?

Only reason I bring Caldwell up is that Arians was Mannings QB Coach/OC before making the move over to PIT.Just makes sense to me I supposeTom Clements makes sense (given his history with Ben in the past).Another guy from outside the organization is Todd Haley, was OC for Arizona in their super bowl year and HC for KC for a couple years.He's currently available and mulling only options for QB coaching (back in AZ) according to local reports. He would be much more interested in an OC position.

Forgot to mention Todd Haley is from Pittsburgh (Upper St. Clair), so maybe that would entice him.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Im not really liking any of these names being thrown out there all that much, but I think almost any could outperform Arians considering our skill position players.

 

[Godsbrother]

Im not really liking any of these names being thrown out there all that much, but I think almost any could outperform Arians considering our skill position players.

Tom Donahoe was on Cook's radio show and said the most critical aspect of an OC is a good relationship with his QB. So whoever it is will need to have buy-in from Ben.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Steelers coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012 - Pittsburgh Post-GazetteThe Steelers coaching staff could undergo its first major change in the Mike Tomlin era because offensive coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has learned.Arians, 57, is in the final year of his contract with the Steelers, and it is unclear if he is retiring -- something he considered last year -- or not having his contract renewed.Arians has been the offensive coordinator since Tomlin became head coach in 2007. He was told last week by Tomlin that he would return in 2012, and Tomlin even indicated as much in a press conference one day after the Steelers' playoff loss in Denver.However, team president Art Rooney II indicated on Tuesday that some members of the coaching staff were considering retirement.Arians considered retiring after the 2010 season because of health problems and other issues. He even skipped attending the NFL combine in February while he mulled his decision.

Absent the comment of Art Rooney II I would say this is pure speculation on the part of the Post Gazette. However taken with Rooney's comments it makes me think that maybe Arians will retire. Assuming Arians does step down who would you like to take over as OC? Would the Steelers promote Randy Fichtner or look outside the organization? For some reason I don't think it would be Jim Caldwell but maybe Rooney's desire to see Ben take less sacks (ala Peyton Manning) maybe the Steelers would bringing him in. If not the list might include Jim Zorn, Mike Sullivan, Tom Clements, Mike Shula or Joe Lombardi.Anyone else they might consider?

Only reason I bring Caldwell up is that Arians was Mannings QB Coach/OC before making the move over to PIT.Just makes sense to me I supposeTom Clements makes sense (given his history with Ben in the past).Another guy from outside the organization is Todd Haley, was OC for Arizona in their super bowl year and HC for KC for a couple years.He's currently available and mulling only options for QB coaching (back in AZ) according to local reports. He would be much more interested in an OC position.

Forgot to mention Todd Haley is from Pittsburgh (Upper St. Clair), so maybe that would entice him.

**** Haley's son! Along with Chuck Noll Haley was a huge part of the Steelers drafts in the 1970s. I'm sure the Rooney's have known Todd Haley since birth. Question is whether Haley and Ben could work together.

 

[The Hank]

Steelers coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012 - Pittsburgh Post-GazetteThe Steelers coaching staff could undergo its first major change in the Mike Tomlin era because offensive coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has learned.Arians, 57, is in the final year of his contract with the Steelers, and it is unclear if he is retiring -- something he considered last year -- or not having his contract renewed.Arians has been the offensive coordinator since Tomlin became head coach in 2007. He was told last week by Tomlin that he would return in 2012, and Tomlin even indicated as much in a press conference one day after the Steelers' playoff loss in Denver.However, team president Art Rooney II indicated on Tuesday that some members of the coaching staff were considering retirement.Arians considered retiring after the 2010 season because of health problems and other issues. He even skipped attending the NFL combine in February while he mulled his decision.

Absent the comment of Art Rooney II I would say this is pure speculation on the part of the Post Gazette. However taken with Rooney's comments it makes me think that maybe Arians will retire. Assuming Arians does step down who would you like to take over as OC? Would the Steelers promote Randy Fichtner or look outside the organization? For some reason I don't think it would be Jim Caldwell but maybe Rooney's desire to see Ben take less sacks (ala Peyton Manning) maybe the Steelers would bringing him in. If not the list might include Jim Zorn, Mike Sullivan, Tom Clements, Mike Shula or Joe Lombardi.Anyone else they might consider?

Only reason I bring Caldwell up is that Arians was Mannings QB Coach/OC before making the move over to PIT.Just makes sense to me I supposeTom Clements makes sense (given his history with Ben in the past).Another guy from outside the organization is Todd Haley, was OC for Arizona in their super bowl year and HC for KC for a couple years.He's currently available and mulling only options for QB coaching (back in AZ) according to local reports. He would be much more interested in an OC position.

Forgot to mention Todd Haley is from Pittsburgh (Upper St. Clair), so maybe that would entice him.

**** Haley's son! Along with Chuck Noll Haley was a huge part of the Steelers drafts in the 1970s. I'm sure the Rooney's have known Todd Haley since birth. Question is whether Haley and Ben could work together.

With knowing how fiery Haley is...probably not.

 

[Steelfan7]

Tom Clements is an interesting name. I think I would support that. Was not a resounding success in Buffalo in his only try at OC, but I don't put much of that on him. Lossman was never going to lead a team. Lots of Pittsburgh ties. As an aside, I wanted him as PSU HC.

Wasn't he in Buffalo when Kelly Holcomb had his best yr and broke some Bills records and McGahee had a couple 1,000 yd seasons?

 

[5-ish Finkle]

First, off, I'm not getting giddy about Bruce Almighty leaving until they parade his carcass in front of the peasants.

That said: "Just say no" to Todd Haley. And I must also add....it sorta drives me nuts that any person with Pittsburgh ties is automatically brought up as a candidate for "X", no matter the sport/whatever, when openings arise. Are Western PA sports owners really that provincial(I suppose that fans could be, but they don't hire the coaches)? I've been away a while. Maybe they are, but I'd wager that they aren't. Steelers could have hired Grimm or Whisenhunt(can't get stronger ties with the Steelers than being a current employee) as a coach over Tomlin and didn't. I doubt Haley being from Upper St. Clair matters a shred to Colbert.

I expect they'll just look to 'promote from within' unless someone from the outside wows them in some way. Hopefully whomever they choose, if Arians calls it quits, will at least be able to call a better game.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Tom Clements is an interesting name. I think I would support that. Was not a resounding success in Buffalo in his only try at OC, but I don't put much of that on him. Lossman was never going to lead a team. Lots of Pittsburgh ties. As an aside, I wanted him as PSU HC.

Wasn't he in Buffalo when Kelly Holcomb had his best yr and broke some Bills records and McGahee had a couple 1,000 yd seasons?

He was there 04-05. 2004 was McGahee's first year a s a starter was a good year for him and the Bills. I remember the last game of the year against the Steelers that knocked them out of the play-offs. Bledsoe was QB that year. They cut him in the off season because they has Losman. Holcomb did play a bit in 2005 but sucked. I don't think the 2005 failure was on the coaching staff. It was on the GM.

 

[The Hank]

Breaking: Bruce Arians retires

 

[Idiot Boxer]

 

[Copeman]

Hope it doesn't take too long for the players to adapt to a new playbook. New routes, new blocking schemes, new reads, everything will be new.

 

[The Hank]

Positive this is a pipe-dream, but what is Tom Moore up to these days?

 

[Godsbrother]

Positive this is a pipe-dream, but what is Tom Moore up to these days?

Last I heard he was working as a consultant for the Jets. Moore is older than dirt so no way he even gets an interview.

 

[Kenny Powers]

After listening to the radio the last couple days, not surprised at all. Where there's smoke, there's fire. The way Rooney said certain assistants may/would likely be gone and how he said Tomlin is considering his options made it sound like all but a given. It wasnt just the typical fan clamoring this year.

Interested to see who they get. I have a feeling it will be a surprise/no name guy.

 

[Copeman]

Troy Smith was signed. Guess Batch and Dixon are gone, and Smith will be 3rd string.

 

[The Hank]

Troy Smith was signed. Guess Batch and Dixon are gone, and Smith will be 3rd string.

All QB's on Steelers 2011 roster are UFA's (aside from Ben)Smith will probably be 3rd/4th stringer after Free agency and likely will be cut in TC.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Won't shock me at all for Smith to wind up 3rd string in the "Dixon" role. Double D's pretty much toast in Pittsburgh. Can't imagine Batch has much of a shelf life left either, but you never know. He may play for, like, a dollar so it's possible he's the #3 again, I guess.

I expect Leftwich will be re-signed as #2. The FO likes him, he's moved the team when he's played, and he probably realizes now that no team is going to give him a starting gig again. Why not caddy for a perrenial playoff contender for as long as you can?

 

[Kenny Powers]

I actually like the Troy Smith signing and think he's an upgrade over Dixon and Batch...Just make Batch the QB coach already.

 

[The Hank]

I actually like the Troy Smith signing and think he's an upgrade over Dixon and Batch...Just make Batch the QB coach already.

Batch should be an assistant on the team next year.

 

[belljr]

Probably blasphemy but I'm pulling for the Pats because I hate the Giants that much more.

This is a region thing as I know should want the PATS to lose but this is almost like the Pats Ravens from yesterday for me.

 

[The Hank]

Probably blasphemy but I'm pulling for the Pats because I hate the Giants that much more.This is a region thing as I know should want the PATS to lose but this is almost like the Pats Ravens from yesterday for me.

Blasphemy!!!Honestly though, I could care less now that Baltimore is out.I'm pulling for New York though.

 

[Godsbrother]

Probably blasphemy but I'm pulling for the Pats because I hate the Giants that much more.This is a region thing as I know should want the PATS to lose but this is almost like the Pats Ravens from yesterday for me.

I found myself rooting for the Pats yesterday but on SB Sunday I will be pulling for the Giants with every fiber of my body.

 

[The Hank]

Probably blasphemy but I'm pulling for the Pats because I hate the Giants that much more.This is a region thing as I know should want the PATS to lose but this is almost like the Pats Ravens from yesterday for me.

I found myself rooting for the Pats yesterday but on SB Sunday I will be pulling for the Giants with every fiber of my body.

 

[belljr]

Probably blasphemy but I'm pulling for the Pats because I hate the Giants that much more.This is a region thing as I know should want the PATS to lose but this is almost like the Pats Ravens from yesterday for me.

I found myself rooting for the Pats yesterday but on SB Sunday I will be pulling for the Giants with every fiber of my body.

I didn't realize it myself until the last kick and I was very excited.My "hatred" for NY teams I think is trumping my hatred for Steelers "nemesisesssesss"

 

[The Hank]

Not sure its been mentioned, but James Harrison was added to the AFC Pro Bowl roster.

 

[Godsbrother]

Not sure its been mentioned, but James Harrison was added to the AFC Pro Bowl roster.

I hope someone tells him it is only the Pro Bowl and that knocking out the opponent is frowned upon...

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Probably blasphemy but I'm pulling for the Pats because I hate the Giants that much more.This is a region thing as I know should want the PATS to lose but this is almost like the Pats Ravens from yesterday for me.

I found myself rooting for the Pats yesterday but on SB Sunday I will be pulling for the Giants with every fiber of my body.

Amen Brother.

 

[The Hank]

Not sure its been mentioned, but James Harrison was added to the AFC Pro Bowl roster.

Expounding on this, it appears Polamalu and Pouncey will not play because of injury.Also, and here's a laugher for you, if another OG cannot play CHRIS KEMOEATU would be the next replacement in line!

 

[Kenny Powers]

Probably blasphemy but I'm pulling for the Pats because I hate the Giants that much more.This is a region thing as I know should want the PATS to lose but this is almost like the Pats Ravens from yesterday for me.

If this were the 1800's Id call you a heretic and have you burned at the steaks

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Is King opining/reporting that Caldwell has spoken to Tomlin about the gig? Or is he just throwing a dart?

That said, early in his tenure Tomlin said on more than one occasion that he hoped that his offense could emulate the Colts brand of O. Suppose if he still feels that way Caldwell could make some sense. Caldwell's so though....seems like he'd be more than willing to "let the QB become the OC." Not certain that's what's needed.

I still think(fear?) that they're just going to promote Fichtner. There've been rumors for a while that Kirby Wilson would probably be tapped as the next OC if Arians left, but with his recent health stuff I can't feature he'll be ready to do much of anything other than rehab for quite some time. If they still wanted to go "close to home" then Fichtner almost gets to be the guy by default. And, hell, if being on the same staff once upon a time is good enough to "get a clue" with Caldwell, then Fichtner has it x2. He and Tomlin worked together at the NCAA level and work together now.

 

[The Hank]

There are reports Bruce Arians planned on doing another season but was refused a new contract, so he got so miffed that he announced his retirement.

There are other reports out there Arians has been in contact with the Arizona Cardinals (a.k.a Pittsburgh West)

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Lolley reports that Fichtner and Kugler will be first up for interviews as Arians' replacement:

From Lolley's blog:

The Steelers will look for an offensive coordinator in-house first, giving Randy Fichtner and Sean Kugler the first shot at replacing Bruce Arians.

Fichtner, the team's wide receivers coach when hired, has spent the past two seasons as quarterbacks coach.

Kugler, meanwhile, has been with the Steelers for two seasons as offensive line coach, joining them after stints in Detroit and Buffalo.

Both men are sharp and it seems becoming an offensive coordinator would be the next logical step for either man.

 

[The Hank]

Mark Kaboly (@MarkKaboly_Trib) reporting Marcus Gilbert undergoing shoulder surgery today.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Lolley reports that Fichtner and Kugler will be first up for interviews as Arians' replacement:

From Lolley's blog:

The Steelers will look for an offensive coordinator in-house first, giving Randy Fichtner and Sean Kugler the first shot at replacing Bruce Arians.

Fichtner, the team's wide receivers coach when hired, has spent the past two seasons as quarterbacks coach.

Kugler, meanwhile, has been with the Steelers for two seasons as offensive line coach, joining them after stints in Detroit and Buffalo.

Both men are sharp and it seems becoming an offensive coordinator would be the next logical step for either man.

Yeah, looking at how excellent our OL has been since Kugler has been hire, lets hire that guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Godsbrother]

Lolley reports that Fichtner and Kugler will be first up for interviews as Arians' replacement:

From Lolley's blog:

The Steelers will look for an offensive coordinator in-house first, giving Randy Fichtner and Sean Kugler the first shot at replacing Bruce Arians.

Fichtner, the team's wide receivers coach when hired, has spent the past two seasons as quarterbacks coach.

Kugler, meanwhile, has been with the Steelers for two seasons as offensive line coach, joining them after stints in Detroit and Buffalo.

Both men are sharp and it seems becoming an offensive coordinator would be the next logical step for either man.

Yeah, looking at how excellent our OL has been since Kugler has been hire, lets hire that guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually I think Kugler has done a great job with the pile of crap he was given to work with.

 

[The Hank]

Lolley reports that Fichtner and Kugler will be first up for interviews as Arians' replacement:

From Lolley's blog:

The Steelers will look for an offensive coordinator in-house first, giving Randy Fichtner and Sean Kugler the first shot at replacing Bruce Arians.

Fichtner, the team's wide receivers coach when hired, has spent the past two seasons as quarterbacks coach.

Kugler, meanwhile, has been with the Steelers for two seasons as offensive line coach, joining them after stints in Detroit and Buffalo.

Both men are sharp and it seems becoming an offensive coordinator would be the next logical step for either man.

Yeah, looking at how excellent our OL has been since Kugler has been hire, lets hire that guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually I think Kugler has done a great job with the pile of crap he was given to work with.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Andy Dufresne in the draft thread seems to think Vikings OG Steve Hutchinson is going to get cut.

He isn't quite what he once was (the best in the game) but he wants to play one more year and his salary is just too pricey (he had a mega deal w/ poison pill as a RFA from Seahawks) for them to keep on a bottom dwelling team.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I wouldn't mind Hue Jackson.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Lolley reports that Fichtner and Kugler will be first up for interviews as Arians' replacement:

From Lolley's blog:

The Steelers will look for an offensive coordinator in-house first, giving Randy Fichtner and Sean Kugler the first shot at replacing Bruce Arians.

Fichtner, the team's wide receivers coach when hired, has spent the past two seasons as quarterbacks coach.

Kugler, meanwhile, has been with the Steelers for two seasons as offensive line coach, joining them after stints in Detroit and Buffalo.

Both men are sharp and it seems becoming an offensive coordinator would be the next logical step for either man.

Yeah, looking at how excellent our OL has been since Kugler has been hire, lets hire that guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually I think Kugler has done a great job with the pile of crap he was given to work with.

Listening to The Fan this morning and Kugler was on. He said he has no interest in becoming OC, loves working with O-line. So it looks like it's Fichtner or someone from outside the organization.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Lolley reports that Fichtner and Kugler will be first up for interviews as Arians' replacement:

From Lolley's blog:

The Steelers will look for an offensive coordinator in-house first, giving Randy Fichtner and Sean Kugler the first shot at replacing Bruce Arians.

Fichtner, the team's wide receivers coach when hired, has spent the past two seasons as quarterbacks coach.

Kugler, meanwhile, has been with the Steelers for two seasons as offensive line coach, joining them after stints in Detroit and Buffalo.

Both men are sharp and it seems becoming an offensive coordinator would be the next logical step for either man.

Yeah, looking at how excellent our OL has been since Kugler has been hire, lets hire that guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually I think Kugler has done a great job with the pile of crap he was given to work with.

How do you know he's done a great job or possibly quantify it? I guess you can say he had backups step in without much of a dropoff, but I think that has as much to do with Kugler as it does the starters not being much better than the backups.

 

[Wheezer34]

Chris Hoke retired today. Not much of a surprise.

LINK

 

[Godsbrother]

How do you know he's done a great job or possibly quantify it? I guess you can say he had backups step in without much of a dropoff, but I think that has as much to do with Kugler as it does the starters not being much better than the backups.

Pouncey made the Pro-Bowl his first two years in the league which says something. If you don't want to give him credit for that then you have to give him credit for Legursky who stepped in for Pouncey last year in the playoffs & Super Bowl and the offense really didn't miss a beat. I think most would agree that Pouncey is a wee bit better than Legursky.Aside from Pouncey (and possibly Gilbert), there isn't a whole lot of talent on the OL to work with. I think Kugler did about as good a job as you can do with the likes of Kemoeatu, Essex, Foster, Scott, etc.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Wexell from Senior Bowl:

@jimwexell: Just been watching Courtney Upshaw and Quinton Coples turn Cordy Glenn into the Steelers' first-round pick. He'll finish 2012 as starting LG.

@jimwexell: @ChrisDokish "You're saying he's dropping?" -- Sorry. I should've said Glenn just blocked some great players. He owned Upshaw.

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[bucksoh]

The Ravens have FB Vonta Leach and the Texans have FB Lawrence Vickers. Both of these teams seem to run the ball pretty well.

HOU has the best OL in the league, BAL probably isnt too far off. Not to mention Rice and Foster are more talented backs than Mendy/Redman

While I agree their line is a lot better than ours, Mendy pre injury >>>>>>> Rice, Foster. If you put Mendy behind their lines his numbers would be off the charts. Their a product of the O Line nothing more. This is just CJ revisited

who is, was a product of his O-line.