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***OFFICIAL*** Survivor 31 -Second Chances. (1 Viewer)
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Statorama
Footballguy
dparker713
Footballguy
I know Savage got bounced this year, but how often does an idol actually screw over the vote verses how often do people split the vote? I just think that you're exposing yourself to much more risk much more often by splitting the votes. Fish should have used Jermey, Kimmi, and Tasha to ensure that Joe went home and then play from there.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Agreed. Happy Fish is gone and Joe is still in it. Can't wait for Abi to be gone but I'm afraid prepare going to want to take her to the end. She is too unpredictable to keep around.
krista4
Footballguy
Seriously, WTMF?
Glad to see Joe live to see another day. Just more evidence of how stupid Jeremy's "save" of Fishback was in the prior council, though. I still root for him as my favorite second to Joe (swoon), but I"m losing faith.
Spencer continuing to show great game play. Tasha still looks set up for a good run, too.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I agree it made no sense.
However, it would not have made any difference in this specific vote using hind-site.
The final votes tonight were:
Joe 2
Abi 3
Fish 4
Had he voted twice for Joe, all that changes is that Abi gets 2 and Joe gets 3 but Fish is still out with 4.
krista4
Footballguy
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Abi is crazy to the 10th degree. Holy paranoia.
Interesting twist next week as far as that preview went.
Interesting twist next week as far as that preview went.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Perhaps my favorite season since Russell's first one and could definitely top that if the winner this year truly deserves it.
snogger
Footballguy
he not only gave up one of his idols.. But ended up losing fishback any ways plus added a target on his back..
yak651
Footballguy
Plus put an idol back into play that he has no control of
simey
Footballguy
When she was running with her torch in the reward challenge, she could have gotten some black eyes with as high as her "girls" were bouncing.
She could use a good sports bra.
simey
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
fire building or choosing rocks I assume. I don't know what the tie breaking rules are this season, do you?
All though at least according to the edit he was never going to vote twice for Abi in any case since he really wanted Joe out and just tried to be too clever in flushing out an idol.
How do these people fix their feet issues after this game? Some of their feet looked like they were rotting. Is there a medication to fix that? That was horrible.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
First off, again, Abi is crazy AND stupid. Yes, it was dumb of Jeremy to use the idol as it exposes him but for who he used it on (a "powerful" advantage as well as an ailing Fishback) added to the dumbness.
However, Abi is the one that screwed the pooch as she voted for Fishback in the first vote. Ciera and Wentworth voted for Kimmi and Ciera was voted out with 3 votes. If Abi votes for Kimmi, Ciera might go home with the tiebreaker however the idol would have been used for no reason.
However, Abi is the one that screwed the pooch as she voted for Fishback in the first vote. Ciera and Wentworth voted for Kimmi and Ciera was voted out with 3 votes. If Abi votes for Kimmi, Ciera might go home with the tiebreaker however the idol would have been used for no reason.
krista4
Footballguy
Fire building between Fishback and Abi would have been a sight to see. That could have gone on for hours.
oso diablo
Footballguy
first tie-breaker when >2 receive votes is a re-vote, where you can only vote for 1 of the tied 2. I'm guessing at that point that Stephen's advantage is moot.
in 1st half of the episode, i was wondering why Jeremy just didn't tell Stephen that he was a target, and get him to burn the advantage. It wouldn't have mattered (vote was 7-3, i think, so would have just been 6-4), but you don't have all the downsides of burning an idol.
in 1st half of the episode, i was wondering why Jeremy just didn't tell Stephen that he was a target, and get him to burn the advantage. It wouldn't have mattered (vote was 7-3, i think, so would have just been 6-4), but you don't have all the downsides of burning an idol.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
Jeremy actually wanted to keep Stephen around, and he didn't know what the advantage was at that point.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Jeremy and fish both overthinking this thing. There was no reason to save fish with the hidden idol, particularly when others in your alliance were gunning for him. It makes you look like a #####. Jeremey is in trouble. He'll need to play his other idol soon, then he will really be a target.
Spencer and joe looking good right now. Joe survived the scenario that should have doomed him. Wentworth as the long shot. Abi a lock for final 3. What a moron.
Spencer and joe looking good right now. Joe survived the scenario that should have doomed him. Wentworth as the long shot. Abi a lock for final 3. What a moron.
dparker713
Footballguy
I don't think it was a bad play to save Fish because of who it took out. Ciera had to go. They started with a 8-4 advantage and it was about to be 6-3. With all the mistrust in the main alliance, those 3 girls were about to become the most powerful group in the game.
That was a strange decision. He had to know Fish's days were likely numbered based on the conversations within his own alliance. I guess, with 2 idols, he tried to change the game, and keep his closest alliance member in the game, but that's about the extent of their strategy. Fish kept talking about how great his advantage was, but it doesn't work so great if you don't know that everyone is still gunning for you and you are splitting votes.
Now....how in the hell do these people fix their feet after being on this show? They were disgusting. How do they recover? Medicine/
Corporation
Angry Bovine
They don't, they have to live with the agony of da feet.cubd8 said:
I think it was a series of bad moves. You mention mistrust and those 3 girls becoming powerful. Well, who put those 3 in that position? Fish and Jeremy (Spencer went along because he is just going along). That was the first of the bad moves. Fish and Jeremy were in pretty solid control of the main alliance and the main alliance only started to mistrust because of that vote to remove Wiggles. Heck Wentworth now has another idol and had they not sided with the 3 girls, she's most likely gone already.
So, aside from the fact that they started it, that move was terrible for Jeremy. Here we are two votes later and Fish is now gone and Jeremy looks to be on the outs. Honestly, I can't believe no one has even mentioned that Jeremy likely has another idol. Also, why didn't Jeremy tell Fish to save his advantage? He's hiding the second idol (he would know he had both so Joe wouldn't have had one before he save Fish).
I think Jeremy has in the past few votes, by relying on Fish's advice, gone from a solid leader in his alliance that was in control (still had Joe as a target) to now being out an idol, out Fish's advantage, having another player out there with an idol and in general being outside of the big alliance. The big alliance has 5, so they can split 3 and 2 to flush an idol. I can't always recall the exact re-vote rules with an idol, but I think even with the 2-2 tie, the re-vote would then all be for the person without the idol. So, Jeremy is now in trouble, especially since Joe is in the 5 for the II challenge.
Good point, so did Fish. Their (Fish mainly) first mistake was listening to Ciera about making moves and using the 3 girls. Fish kept saying he wanted to make moves just to make moves and I remember his post vote off interview. He said something about being the first ever to make someone not vote at tribal as if that is meaningful in any way. Sort of like James being remembered for going home with idols in his pocket. Jeremy isn't a good player, he just found 2 idols. He and Fish made gigantic, obvious errors and Jeremy is in big trouble now.
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BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Ned
Footballguy
I think people are making too much out of the Jeremy idol thing. It's easy to say in hindsight that he just threw away an idol, but I liked the play. Openly make a big loyalty play gets some bargaining power with the jury, plus he just bought Fish's vote for the rest of the game. Sure, it's easy to say it was a waste after Fish got outplayed at the next tribal (what a forking dufus splitting his own votes), but at the time it (giving the idol) was a good move IMO.
I think Jeremy is 1a with Tasha being 1b (to win).
I think Jeremy is 1a with Tasha being 1b (to win).
rick6668
Footballguy
Glad to see Ciera and Fish both gone.
That immunity challenge gave flashbacks to Rudy
https://youtu.be/H-3QhlaEiFA?t=32m12s
That immunity challenge gave flashbacks to Rudy
https://youtu.be/H-3QhlaEiFA?t=32m12s
snogger
Footballguy
That, IMO, is a bad view.. By playing the idol he basically alienated over half of the people that will be on the jury.. As much as you might believe it is "good game play" Jury's have shown over and over again to hold grudges..
I do believe if it worked out and Fish stayed longer, in the end, he'd lose because of stabbing his alliance in the back.
dhockster
Footballguy
I think if Wentworth can get to the finals she has a strong shot to win this thing. With an idol and with Joe, Jeremy, and Spencer still in the game wtih Targets on their backs, I think she has a good shot to get there. I think if Joe makes the finals, he probably won't win. He doesn't have enough strategic moves to hang his hat on. Which is a little unfair for him, because he can't have many strategic moves when he has such a big target on his back because of expertise in challenges. No one can build a strong alliance with him because he is likely to get voted out when he loses immunity.
Of course he just lost immunity and didn't get voted out. So what do I know?
There is only one player playing who cannot win and that is Abi. I hope Ciera learns from watching this that her eye-rolling is not a good look. Makes her look almost as bitter as Kass.
Of course he just lost immunity and didn't get voted out. So what do I know?
There is only one player playing who cannot win and that is Abi. I hope Ciera learns from watching this that her eye-rolling is not a good look. Makes her look almost as bitter as Kass.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Although I agree it was a bad play, I don't think the grudge factor will be as bad this season with the returning players. Everyone is playing pretty well and I don't think anyone is feeling comfortable with their alliance. When the blindsides come, I think most players this season will accept it as good game play.That, IMO, is a bad view.. By playing the idol he basically alienated over half of the people that will be on the jury.. As much as you might believe it is "good game play" Jury's have shown over and over again to hold grudges..
I do believe if it worked out and Fish stayed longer, in the end, he'd lose because of stabbing his alliance in the back.
I think Jeremy blew it because now people will be gunning for him. He was doing a great job of staying off the radar and hiding his strength. That's over, and I will not be shocked if he has to play idol 2 this week.
dparker713
Footballguy
He used the idol to take out someone everyone wanted gone, just not at that time. Its not exactly stabbing his alliance in the back.snogger said:That, IMO, is a bad view.. By playing the idol he basically alienated over half of the people that will be on the jury.. As much as you might believe it is "good game play" Jury's have shown over and over again to hold grudges..Ned said:
I do believe if it worked out and Fish stayed longer, in the end, he'd lose because of stabbing his alliance in the back.
Don't forget that Jeremy and Fish had just alienated their original alliance members the vote before aligning with the 3 girls and getting rid of Wigglesworth. They didn't tell Tasha, which is why Fish said he took her on reward. They didn't tell Keith and Joe (would have), so they voted for Fish last night because they were also alienated. Saving Fish and getting rid of Ciera was stabbing their new voting block in the back right after they aligned with them to vote Wigglesworth off. Abi and Wentworth voted for Fish. Now Tasha and Kimmi are probably pissed that they decided to go with Fish and Jeremy because they are on the block now. The entire group of people that voted for Fish did so because of what Jeremy and Fish did the previous 2 votes.He used the idol to take out someone everyone wanted gone, just not at that time. Its not exactly stabbing his alliance in the back.snogger said:That, IMO, is a bad view.. By playing the idol he basically alienated over half of the people that will be on the jury.. As much as you might believe it is "good game play" Jury's have shown over and over again to hold grudges..Ned said:
I do believe if it worked out and Fish stayed longer, in the end, he'd lose because of stabbing his alliance in the back.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
that's just dumb ### kass
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Yes she is the odd one out. Savage flipped off Abi on his exit but she isn't getting any votes. I'll eat my hat if she isn't in the finals though.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Tasha blew it at tribal, imo, with her statement that it's time to ditch the voting block strategy and stick to that 3 or 4 person alliance. She basically told everyone that her, Jeremy, Fish, Kimmie, and Spencer (who she thought she had) were going to start voting everyone else out. I believe that caused Spencer to not bail on his plan to get rid of Fish, since he knew he was lower on the totem pole than Fish, Jeremy and Tasha. So he took the chance to split those 3 up. If she kept her mouth shut, he might have scrapped it and voted for Joe with that group (after he heard Fish was going to use his advantage).
I skipped most of tribal, but Spencer already knew about Fish using his advantage. Fish told Jeremy and Spencer that he was going to use. I think Spencer probably already knew the vote counts and that he was good to go. The only real worry was Abi. Spencer was told who to vote for (I think Abi), so he probably also knew who Fish was voting for and knew that only Abi was the problem.
Jayrok
Footballguy
That's what I said.. Spencer knew Fish's advantage and after hearing about it, from Fish, he had second thoughts on his plan to blindside Fish. Then he heard Tasha at tribal talking about just sticking with her trusted alliance and he may have realized it was best to take the risk and stick with his original plan to blindside Fish. I think if she keeps her mouth shut, Spencer would have voted for Abi (I said Joe earlier, but meant Abi.. knowing it would be Joe going home if he didn't have an II, per Fish's plan).
