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Did he even have some master strategy? I thought it was constantly him talking to the camera about getting Joe about and waiting for the right time to use his master advantage.
Gotcha, I didn't see Tasha's speech, but I wonder if it would have mattered. I would think that Spencer knew the numbers and already knew he wasn't at the top of the alliance (could be next after Joe since he won immunity and finished 2nd in the previous reward to Fish).
He didn't. He kept talking about voting blocks and making moves to make moves. That was how he got caught up with the 3 girls, which is really what sunk him. He just figured each week he could organize blocks and I think he underestimated the strains he put on the original alliance by excluding people (Tasha and Keith in the vote with the girls, Jeremy not telling people about saving Fish, etc.). Fish was so hung up on Joe because of his original season results and was so hung up on being thought of as a master mind, like his exit interview and tribal where he was so proud of himself for being the first to ever take away someone's vote. I think he and Jeremy had the game in hand until they decided to vote with the girls and fracture their alliance and assume they could easily mend fences with their voting block talk.
I assume at some point, after multiple cheap shots at the two of them, Jeff would be forced to give them both lighters.
I actually liked it, not so they would get a new shelter but because it really showed some fractures, i.e. Keith was the only one going against Joe (another reason Keith was so ready to vote for Fish) and because of the II. I still can't believe no one even looked at the shelter. Duh, what an easy way to get a the II back into the game. The people on this season haven't impressed me at all. I hope Spencer, Joe or Keith win it. Spencer because he's done a great job at staying alive and now being sort of at the top of the alliance, Joe because he does so well at challenges and Keith because I like him. Tasha hasn't done much of anything except be invisible. Kelly would be OK as well because she's the only eye candy left (how people like Abi is beyond me) and has at least done something.
Abi has a great body, but she's a halfwit. Good for TV but I would never want to be in the same room with her.
If Jeremy gets to the end, he has Fish's vote. Everyone knows that. He's also pretty likeable for the other voters. No one should want to be sitting next to Jeremy at the end. I expect him to get targeted soon. Maybe even tonight. I hope he plays his idol correctly, and perhaps wins immunity to stay in. I'd like to see him win.Don't forget that Jeremy and Fish had just alienated their original alliance members the vote before aligning with the 3 girls and getting rid of Wigglesworth. They didn't tell Tasha, which is why Fish said he took her on reward. They didn't tell Keith and Joe (would have), so they voted for Fish last night because they were also alienated. Saving Fish and getting rid of Ciera was stabbing their new voting block in the back right after they aligned with them to vote Wigglesworth off. Abi and Wentworth voted for Fish. Now Tasha and Kimmi are probably pissed that they decided to go with Fish and Jeremy because they are on the block now. The entire group of people that voted for Fish did so because of what Jeremy and Fish did the previous 2 votes.He used the idol to take out someone everyone wanted gone, just not at that time. Its not exactly stabbing his alliance in the back.That, IMO, is a bad view.. By playing the idol he basically alienated over half of the people that will be on the jury.. As much as you might believe it is "good game play" Jury's have shown over and over again to hold grudges..I do believe if it worked out and Fish stayed longer, in the end, he'd lose because of stabbing his alliance in the back.
He's definitely the next target IMO. I would hope (sometimes it amazes me) someone realizes he likely has another idol because there is no way he would save Fish with his only idol. If they do then I could see the block getting Tasha to vote with them and split between Jeremy and Kimmi. Jeremy hasn't really been great at challenges, I think he finished second one time, so he'll be a target soon.If Jeremy gets to the end, he has Fish's vote. Everyone knows that. He's also pretty likeable for the other voters. No one should want to be sitting next to Jeremy at the end. I expect him to get targeted soon. Maybe even tonight. I hope he plays his idol correctly, and perhaps wins immunity to stay in. I'd like to see him win.Don't forget that Jeremy and Fish had just alienated their original alliance members the vote before aligning with the 3 girls and getting rid of Wigglesworth. They didn't tell Tasha, which is why Fish said he took her on reward. They didn't tell Keith and Joe (would have), so they voted for Fish last night because they were also alienated. Saving Fish and getting rid of Ciera was stabbing their new voting block in the back right after they aligned with them to vote Wigglesworth off. Abi and Wentworth voted for Fish. Now Tasha and Kimmi are probably pissed that they decided to go with Fish and Jeremy because they are on the block now. The entire group of people that voted for Fish did so because of what Jeremy and Fish did the previous 2 votes.He used the idol to take out someone everyone wanted gone, just not at that time. Its not exactly stabbing his alliance in the back.That, IMO, is a bad view.. By playing the idol he basically alienated over half of the people that will be on the jury.. As much as you might believe it is "good game play" Jury's have shown over and over again to hold grudges..I do believe if it worked out and Fish stayed longer, in the end, he'd lose because of stabbing his alliance in the back.
You mean like Wentworth did? Joe had just as much of a chance to have one as anyone else.He's definitely the next target IMO. I would hope (sometimes it amazes me) someone realizes he likely has another idol because there is no way he would save Fish with his only idol. If they do then I could see the block getting Tasha to vote with them and split between Jeremy and Kimmi. Jeremy hasn't really been great at challenges, I think he finished second one time, so he'll be a target soon.If Jeremy gets to the end, he has Fish's vote. Everyone knows that. He's also pretty likeable for the other voters. No one should want to be sitting next to Jeremy at the end. I expect him to get targeted soon. Maybe even tonight. I hope he plays his idol correctly, and perhaps wins immunity to stay in. I'd like to see him win.Don't forget that Jeremy and Fish had just alienated their original alliance members the vote before aligning with the 3 girls and getting rid of Wigglesworth. They didn't tell Tasha, which is why Fish said he took her on reward. They didn't tell Keith and Joe (would have), so they voted for Fish last night because they were also alienated. Saving Fish and getting rid of Ciera was stabbing their new voting block in the back right after they aligned with them to vote Wigglesworth off. Abi and Wentworth voted for Fish. Now Tasha and Kimmi are probably pissed that they decided to go with Fish and Jeremy because they are on the block now. The entire group of people that voted for Fish did so because of what Jeremy and Fish did the previous 2 votes.He used the idol to take out someone everyone wanted gone, just not at that time. Its not exactly stabbing his alliance in the back.That, IMO, is a bad view.. By playing the idol he basically alienated over half of the people that will be on the jury.. As much as you might believe it is "good game play" Jury's have shown over and over again to hold grudges..I do believe if it worked out and Fish stayed longer, in the end, he'd lose because of stabbing his alliance in the back.
That's one more negative in game play from Jeremy. Why didn't he persuade Fish to not split the vote for Joe? He had to know Joe didn't have an idol because he just had both so Joe would have had to find it that period. They've split and not split the votes pretty poorly so far (seems like every week since Kass has been wrong).
I hated the way they kept saying that anyone who went with the decision to vote for the shelter was giving up immunity and if they got voted out, they would second guess their decision.
Ive always hated those. Someone like Joe has no chance to win.
I agree he had a chance, but Fish didn't know that Jeremy had two idols meaning that Joe couldn't have been sitting on it, he would have had to find it that 3 days. I am pretty sure Fish was watching Joe every time he peed based on his obsession with him. I didn't mean that Joe had 0 chance to find it, but that Jeremy didn't even mention (just to Fish) that Joe would have had to find it that period. Again I think that they would have been "watching" him a bit more than Wentworth. If they don't split the votes, Joe goes home 5-4. Either Jeremy had no idea that Fish and he had alienated their alliance or he didn't want people to know he had another idol. Either way, seems like that bit of info not being shared cost both of them. Maybe they still split or maybe Fish says he's been keeping an eye on Joe so he must not have it.You mean like Wentworth did? Joe had just as much of a chance to have one as anyone else.He's definitely the next target IMO. I would hope (sometimes it amazes me) someone realizes he likely has another idol because there is no way he would save Fish with his only idol. If they do then I could see the block getting Tasha to vote with them and split between Jeremy and Kimmi. Jeremy hasn't really been great at challenges, I think he finished second one time, so he'll be a target soon.If Jeremy gets to the end, he has Fish's vote. Everyone knows that. He's also pretty likeable for the other voters. No one should want to be sitting next to Jeremy at the end. I expect him to get targeted soon. Maybe even tonight. I hope he plays his idol correctly, and perhaps wins immunity to stay in. I'd like to see him win.Don't forget that Jeremy and Fish had just alienated their original alliance members the vote before aligning with the 3 girls and getting rid of Wigglesworth. They didn't tell Tasha, which is why Fish said he took her on reward. They didn't tell Keith and Joe (would have), so they voted for Fish last night because they were also alienated. Saving Fish and getting rid of Ciera was stabbing their new voting block in the back right after they aligned with them to vote Wigglesworth off. Abi and Wentworth voted for Fish. Now Tasha and Kimmi are probably pissed that they decided to go with Fish and Jeremy because they are on the block now. The entire group of people that voted for Fish did so because of what Jeremy and Fish did the previous 2 votes.He used the idol to take out someone everyone wanted gone, just not at that time. Its not exactly stabbing his alliance in the back.That, IMO, is a bad view.. By playing the idol he basically alienated over half of the people that will be on the jury.. As much as you might believe it is "good game play" Jury's have shown over and over again to hold grudges..I do believe if it worked out and Fish stayed longer, in the end, he'd lose because of stabbing his alliance in the back.
That's one more negative in game play from Jeremy. Why didn't he persuade Fish to not split the vote for Joe? He had to know Joe didn't have an idol because he just had both so Joe would have had to find it that period. They've split and not split the votes pretty poorly so far (seems like every week since Kass has been wrong).
That is the worst immunity challenge. Maybe for a reward but that should never be an immunity challenge.
Agreed. Worst Immunity challenge ever, might as well not even offer immunity that week.
You aren't. I think he and Fish have gotten a ton of screen time, but outside of finding the idols and beating Spencer by a hair, they really have played very poorly. They remind me of Kass on her season where she thought she was the bomb (and this season) even though watching her play you realized she screwed so much up. Making moves to make moves isn't going to win you the game. They are so focused on building their final tribal resume and not realizing the big mistakes they are making to not even get close to final tribal. Jeremy and Fish had the game in hand if they slow played it a bit. Keith, Kimmi, Wiggles, Joe, Savage and Tasha really haven't showcased that they are going to blow up the alliance early. Only Spencer has shown some moxie of late, but he was a good lackie a few votes ago because he was just happy to be there. Add in having 2 idols and being able to do a two vote swap and it is amazing that they blew that all up so quickly.
this is only a hunch, but I think Jeremy is slowplaying some of the physical stuff to not look like a threat. sometimes when you watch him it doesn't seem like he can't do it, just that he's not trying too hard as long as Joe is around as a bigger physical threat.
He has repeatedly derailed the plans of others in his alliance in order to shelter himself. He's not out there with his strategy like Fish or Ceira or Spencer, but he's active and until last week he has remained below the radar. Now he's toast.
What happened? News broke in about CA shootingScary there..probably a combination of heat stroke and dehydration .. surprised more don't drop like that..
I am surprised to learn that Keith is just 53 years old. I thought he was at least 63.
low sugar levels caused Joe to black out and lose out on immunity .. and he thus got sent on the walkWhat happened? News broke in about CA shootingScary there..
Now Spencer & Jeremy need to hope Tasha was truthful on not sticking with an all girl group. 
Yes, Tasha seems like a good person and someone who is decent. The others appear to be catty to the 10th degree. Wentworth has grown tiring. Nice to look at but the Survivor diet has done wonders on her. Look at her before pictures and it's not the same girl at all.
Or Tasha sticks to what she told Jeremy and Spencer that she wanted Joe out but was NOT going to stay in the all girl alliance..
moment right now as she winks and mouth's things over to the jury..
I'm sick of Wentworth and her smug mug at TC. Hope she gets blindsided and reacts by going off on everyone showing her true colors.Would love a good blindside next week against Wentworth.. she is starting to hit that
A few weeks ago during one of her interviews she looked like Riff Raff on Rocky Horror Picture Show.
The guys need to even out the field next week. Tasha will stay with the girls, or she should anyway. She could easily beat all those women in challenges, except a long endurance challenge where you balance on something. I think Wentworth would dominate that sort of challenge, being that she weighs about 60 lbs.
I agree that if Wentworh gets to the final 3, she has made a terrific case to win. She's played the game great both socially and in challenges. I'd just rather see Kimmie or Tasha win before her.
That was more than awkward.McGarnicle said:
I was wondering if Jeff would keep going until only Jeremy was standing there alone. Personally, I would have had a hard time not picking him for that reward because that dude really, really, really loves his wife!
