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Drunken Poster said:
Earlier on Showtime, Andre Dirrell vs Jose Uzcategui. Dirrell knocked out by illegal punch after the bell in the 8th. Uzcategui disqualified, Dirrell's uncle sucker punches Uzcategui in the ring after the fight.

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yeah, this was as gross as it gets. How in the world this can happen, who knows. Guy should be banned from ringside, and i am shocked Uzcategi's corner didn't just destroy that fatty dude. I assume they were in shock, but 2 sucker punches after the guy is done with a boxing match is just gross. 

http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/all-hell-breaks-loose-as-corner-man-attacks-opposing-bo-1795407594

How does boxing fix this? why would you want to go to a live boxing event when you have people fighting all over the crowd? I guess boxing doesn't see this as a problem? good luck getting continued TV contracts, but maybe it won't make a difference

 
modogg said:
ehh, that guy deserved it. probably was a Cowboys fan who started that
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Did you watch all of them!

I haven't seen any boxer or boxing writer who hasn't condemned that sucker-punch in the strongest terms possible. I imagine that once Lawson is found, he's going to be banned by all of the sanctioning bodies and won't be allowed to corner again.

Boxing has problems, but BS like this happens in nearly every sport.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Did you watch all of them!

I haven't seen any boxer or boxing writer who hasn't condemned that sucker-punch in the strongest terms possible. I imagine that once Lawson is found, he's going to be banned by all of the sanctioning bodies and won't be allowed to corner again.

Boxing has problems, but BS like this happens in nearly every sport.
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i would say the difference is allowing someone to attack the actual athlete. MMA has had a good one or 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkuyFw9Zzq4), but again it is athletes fighting athletes. And this guy throws a hook and then jab, and then just stands there. 

i think it bothers me more then others cause the whole thing was a mess, and boxing isn't organized enough to prevent or deal with a situation like that if it escalates more. think i am just getting old and more grumpy  :brush:

 
modogg said:
i would say the difference is allowing someone to attack the actual athlete. MMA has had a good one or 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkuyFw9Zzq4), but again it is athletes fighting athletes. And this guy throws a hook and then jab, and then just stands there. 

i think it bothers me more then others cause the whole thing was a mess, and boxing isn't organized enough to prevent or deal with a situation like that if it escalates more. think i am just getting old and more grumpy  :brush:
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It's not ideal, logistically, to have 20-25 people in a roped-off area that's sized for two people punching each other. Especially since there's inevitably going to be times where there's post-fight tension. But I'm not really sure how you work around that to be honest. Dirrell's uncle was part of his corner team, it's not like he was just some random hanger-on.

 
i know its pro boxing but i find it funny that people act so surprised when a sport comprised of nothing but violence seeps into all aspects of the ring and or audience ...im surprised it doesnt happen far more often

 
Hypothetical: 

Crawford announces he's moving to 147. Assume a very easy tune-up in September to acclimate, and then a big fight in December. How many welterweights would you favor over him? For the purposes of this exercise, assume that Thurman's 100% recovered by this point.

 
Crawford is my #1 P4P right now.  Admittedly, the top six are very close IMO (Crawford, GGG, Ward, Kovalev, Loma, Roman) but if he handles the weight well, I would make him a slight favorite vs Thurman, a more than slight favorite vs Pac, and a sizeable favorite against any other welterweight outside of Brook-Spence.  I'll reserve judgement on those potential fights until I see the Brook-Spence fight play out.

 
Spence is f###ing relentless. Conditioning is really impressive too. 

Surprised how that ended though. I don't think that happens had Brook not ended up in surgery on his other eye after the GGG fight. He was going to "go out on his shield." 

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Spence is f###ing relentless. Conditioning is really impressive too. 

Surprised how that ended though. I don't think that happens had Brook not ended up in surgery on his other eye after the GGG fight. He was going to "go out on his shield." 
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Damnit!  Didn't know it started so early...

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Spence is f###ing relentless. Conditioning is really impressive too. 

Surprised how that ended though. I don't think that happens had Brook not ended up in surgery on his other eye after the GGG fight. He was going to "go out on his shield." 
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Brook's left eye socket was broken in the 7th (not the same one he broke last year), and Spence ####ed it up worse in the 11th. I dunno, I'm just a guy on a laptop, it wasn't me facing 5 minutes of that monster coming at me with vision in only one eye.

Really impressive work by Spence tonight to come back (from points) and get Brook out of there. I think Haymon didn't do any Spence any favors in how he brought him along, it's a big leap from Algieri/Bundu to Brook. I think with Thurman on the mend, Spence should try and take another tough-ish fight before he takes on Thurman. I think Pacquiao's gonna basically keep his hostage and just collect checks.

I had Spence up 95-94, but there were some really close rounds to call. Depends on what you liked.

 
Apparently a doctor told Brook that another round with GGG could've left him blind, and that was in the back of his mind. Granted, this is England, where Dr. Nick's a respected physician.

Really, what does Brook owe anyone? His eye, his fight, his win/loss, his career. :shrug:

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Apparently a doctor told Brook that another round with GGG could've left him blind, and that was in the back of his mind. Granted, this is England, where Dr. Nick's a respected physician.

Really, what does Brook owe anyone? His eye, his fight, his win/loss, his career. :shrug:
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Fair enough. I'd have certainly done the same, I just didn't expect it. Brook clearly has some world-class bollocks and went into the fight talking about how he was willing to die in the ring, etc. I figured if anything, the ref or doctor would have stopped it, but I also wrote that before he said he had double vision. If he really couldn't fight effectively any more and was just a sitting duck, continuing wouldn't have been "tough", it would have been stupid. 

 
Kovalev vrs Ward.

me thinks that Kovalev wins this one.   Better jab, more power, & more motivation.  Hell, I think he won the first fight.  Kovalev is under dog as in bet $100 win $130.

Really looking forward to this being much better than the 1st one.   What do I know though?

 
irishidiot said:
Kovalev vrs Ward.

me thinks that Kovalev wins this one.   Better jab, more power, & more motivation.  Hell, I think he won the first fight.  Kovalev is under dog as in bet $100 win $130.

Really looking forward to this being much better than the 1st one.   What do I know though?
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Even if Kovalev had gotten the decision, I thought it was a really good fight. It obviously wasn't a war, but there were a lot of interesting tactical adjustments/strategies going on.

My pick is Ward with a non-controversial UD, something like 116-112. Ward's a very disciplined guy and he feeds off any sort of real/perceived sleights, I don't think his conditioning/motivation is ever going to be an issue. I also think he wins this one easier because I think he has a higher ring IQ, and having 12 rounds already under his belt will benefit him more. I might not have a lot of company here, but I'm also really looking forward to Rigondeaux/Flores on the undercard. ETA: Here's a really good preview from Lee Wylie, who you should subscribe to if you haven't already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZRXom8w65A

Speaking of rematches, Cuadras/Estrada and Inoue/Arroyo are on the Chocolotito/Rungvasai 2 card. :popcorn:

 
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So where do you guys watch these PPVs?

Kodi, link, bar, or do you buy?

Ready for the fight this weekend. 

 
Not betting but my pick is Ward by decision.  FWIW, I scored the first fight 114-113 Kovalev.  But it was Ward who made necessary adjustments during the 1st fight and I trust his ability to gameplan and adjust more than just about anyone else.

 
I had kovalev 114-113 as well last time.  I kind of feel that Ward may have seen enough to take this one all 12 rounds but maybe Kovalev got his cardio in check?  SHould be a good fight. 

 
Wow, that's horsecrap.  Wtf.  How do you not do a standing 8 count or something.  Wtf.  That's why I stopped watching boxing.  Guess I'll remain done.  

 
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Kovalev may have been landing a bit more, but I swear almost the whole fight I was thinking Ward is the one doing the damage...Glad he got the KO because the cards might not have been nice, although I was confident they wouldnt be Lederman bad 

 
Man that is a great new tactic to hit a guy in the balls over and over.   I wonder if Durant taught Ward that move before the fight via Draymond Green?   

 
New replay angle hbo has- was for sure a low blow at the end. Kovalev should have got a breather not a stoppage but he was badly hurt and it took him awhile to protest.

 
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Ilov80s said:
New replay angle hbo has- was for sure a low blow at the end. Kovalev should have got a breather not a stoppage but he was badly hurt and it took him awhile to protest.
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Id agree that at least 1 of those shots when Kovalev was on the ropes was low, although I think the initial shot was def belt and legal

 
I had Kovalev up by 1 going into the 8th.

Kovalev was caught in limbo there at the very end. He wasn't defending himself, but he also should've just taken the knee, lost the point, and tried to pull himself back together. It was a bad stoppage and Weeks should've given Kovalev a break from the low blow near the end, but Kovalev was also getting blitzed and was not in good shape.

Weeks is a good ref, but Ward took advantage of him.

 
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