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Good Posting Judge said:
brianj74 said:
Early odds for Canelo/Khan are:

Canelo -325

Khan +250
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I'm def. on Canelo if I can find anything close to this. Khan's name-value is keeping the price in check, but Canelo might come into the ring 20 lbs. heavier.
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Khan is a name.

Plus, it seems as a general rule that when a fighter is a significant favorite (2-1 or greater), the odds end up being closer than logic dictates they should be. Books expect a high amount of bettors to chase the payoff by betting on the underdog and adjust accordingly.

Both factors appear to be in play here.

 
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Keith R said:
Good Posting Judge said:
brianj74 said:
Early odds for Canelo/Khan are:

Canelo -325

Khan +250
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I'm def. on Canelo if I can find anything close to this. Khan's name-value is keeping the price in check, but Canelo might come into the ring 20 lbs. heavier.
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Khan is a name.

Plus, it seems as a general rule that when a fighter is a significant favorite (2-1 or greater), the odds end up being closer than logic dictates they should be. Books expect a high amount of bettors to chase the payoff by betting on the underdog and adjust accordingly.

Both factors appear to be in play here.
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Very true. Also applicable to May-Pac last year, IMO.

 
Anyone passing on the UFC card to watch the HBO fights instead?  Since Holly Holm is on the UFC card, I will have to catch a replay of the HBO fights.  That said, Ortiz is approaching must-watch territory and the undercard fight has possibilities.

 
Keith R said:
Anyone passing on the UFC card to watch the HBO fights instead?  Since Holly Holm is on the UFC card, I will have to catch a replay of the HBO fights.  That said, Ortiz is approaching must-watch territory and the undercard fight has possibilities.
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even boxing fans have to love this card...conor alone is worth the price

 
Ilov80s said:
It was all up and comers, like a Sho Extreme card, but some good action.
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Guy who works out at my gym fought.  Antoine Douglas.  He lost (his first), but showed TREMENDOUS amount of heart in the loss.  It's good to see the type of chin he has (very good). He got hurt early, and kept in and fighting for ten rounds.  Finally the ref had to stop it -- he was taking a beating, but refused to go down and actually was still punching back even in the tenth.  He's young - 23, so still has a little more to learn, but he's definitely showed that he in in the right place.

 
Sweet J said:
Guy who works out at my gym fought.  Antoine Douglas.  He lost (his first), but showed TREMENDOUS amount of heart in the loss.  It's good to see the type of chin he has (very good). He got hurt early, and kept in and fighting for ten rounds.  Finally the ref had to stop it -- he was taking a beating, but refused to go down and actually was still punching back even in the tenth.  He's young - 23, so still has a little more to learn, but he's definitely showed that he in in the right place.
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Yeah, he took some serious punishment, that was a crazy fight.

 
As far as the HBO card, the Ali-Vargas fight was fun and competitive.  Ortiz-Thompson went as expected, though it says a lot that King Kong was able to KO the durable Thompson.

 
Keith R said:
Anyone passing on the UFC card to watch the HBO fights instead?  Since Holly Holm is on the UFC card, I will have to catch a replay of the HBO fights.  That said, Ortiz is approaching must-watch territory and the undercard fight has possibilities.
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The UFC has a lot of advantages, but I just can't buy into guys kicking each other in the legs. Or fights fairly routinely ending within a minute.

Sorta getting excited about Ward/Barrera. As frustrating as Ward's career has been, he's still a helluva fighter. Barrera seems like he'll be a good barometer for the Kovalev fight in Nov.

Looking forward to Pac/Bradley solely because I have money on it.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
The UFC has a lot of advantages, but I just can't buy into guys kicking each other in the legs. Or fights fairly routinely ending within a minute.

Sorta getting excited about Ward/Barrera. As frustrating as Ward's career has been, he's still a helluva fighter. Barrera seems like he'll be a good barometer for the Kovalev fight in Nov.

Looking forward to Pac/Bradley solely because I have money on it.
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Agreed, I just can't really get into UFC. Boxing has been struggling  to put together good fights. There are plenty of good fighters, but the PBC has been a disaster. The next few months have some good fights coming up (although I am not really excited for the 2 fights you mentioned)

April 1: Ashley Theophane vs Adrian Broner 

April 9: Anthony Joshua vs Charles Martin

April 16: Errol Spence vs Chris Algieri 

April 23 GGG and Chocolatito

May 7: Canelo vs Khan

June 4: Franciso Vargas vs Orlando Salido

June 11: Ruslan Provodnikov vs John Molina

June 25: Keith Thurman vs Shawn Porter 

 
Ilov80s said:
Agreed, I just can't really get into UFC. Boxing has been struggling  to put together good fights. There are plenty of good fighters, but the PBC has been a disaster. The next few months have some good fights coming up (although I am not really excited for the 2 fights you mentioned)

April 1: Ashley Theophane vs Adrian Broner 

April 9: Anthony Joshua vs Charles Martin

April 16: Errol Spence vs Chris Algieri 

April 23 GGG and Chocolatito

May 7: Canelo vs Khan

June 4: Franciso Vargas vs Orlando Salido

June 11: Ruslan Provodnikov vs John Molina

June 25: Keith Thurman vs Shawn Porter 
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Going to be a fun spring!  Maybe im in the minority but im really looking forward to Canelo Khan(but im a khan fan so....)  Would like to see Ruslan get a few wins under his belt and good back in the mix. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I looked at the picture from the weigh-in and Lemieux looked thin and ripped. His face looked drained. I am not sure this is David's fault. His team and himself might have just overestimated what his body was capable of doing.  
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Just peeped it.  He does look ripped.  But still, this type of stuff shouldnt be happening. 

 
Problem with boxing is the PPV events are duds 9 times out of 10...and the under cards are usually snore fests...so the fans are turned off 

The fights on HBO and showtime are much better than the big fights on PPV but unless you have those channels you are missing out...if those fights were PPV then boxing fans ,and the casual fan ,would be treated to exciting events

The UFC usually has very good fight cards from top to bottom...its usually pretty violent and bloody which thats what fans are tuning in for ...to see a blood sport

Gone are the days of Hagler vs Hearns ect;.....i miss those days and hope they return with up and coming talent (which i see in the posts above they are)

 
BustedKnuckles said:
Problem with boxing is the PPV events are duds 9 times out of 10...and the under cards are usually snore fests...so the fans are turned off 

The fights on HBO and showtime are much better than the big fights on PPV but unless you have those channels you are missing out...if those fights were PPV then boxing fans ,and the casual fan ,would be treated to exciting events

The UFC usually has very good fight cards from top to bottom...its usually pretty violent and bloody which thats what fans are tuning in for ...to see a blood sport

Gone are the days of Hagler vs Hearns ect;.....i miss those days and hope they return with up and coming talent (which i see in the posts above they are)
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It's the business of boxing that has hurt them (PPV and premium channels) as well as just the fact that Floyd was the best fighter of the generation and he is a defensive fighter which doesn't make the most entertaining fights. The PBC was a good idea- get fights on NBC, ESPN, etc. However, they aren't putting good fights on those cards so it's not doing anything to actually promote the sport. There are some great exciting fighters out there now though: GGG, Canelo, Terrence Crawford, Kovalev, Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez and Naoyo Inoue  who almost nobody outside of Asia knows, but he is a "Little Monster". A Gonazalez-Inoue 2016 fight would be the FOTY. 

SHOWTIME has a monster series of spring and summer fights upcoming. 

 
BustedKnuckles said:
Problem with boxing is the PPV events are duds 9 times out of 10...and the under cards are usually snore fests...so the fans are turned off 

The fights on HBO and showtime are much better than the big fights on PPV but unless you have those channels you are missing out...if those fights were PPV then boxing fans ,and the casual fan ,would be treated to exciting events

The UFC usually has very good fight cards from top to bottom...its usually pretty violent and bloody which thats what fans are tuning in for ...to see a blood sport

Gone are the days of Hagler vs Hearns ect;.....i miss those days and hope they return with up and coming talent (which i see in the posts above they are)
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There's no question that the UFC is made infinitely better by having everyone in the same organization that makes the fights that fans want to see, whereas boxing is a number of countless separate  entities that are all protecting their assets. De La Hoya #### all over Mayweather for being boring and ducking fights, and yet he's holding out Canelo from fighting GGG. And we'll eventually get one fight, but what if we were starting on a trilogy? That's the kind of thing that attracts casual sports fans. Mayweather's success is a bit of a counter-example, but I think what makes a fighter huge is taking big fights, not protecting an undefeated record.

 
Bill Simmons new podcast had Jim Lampley on last week and it was excellent. A must listen for fight fans. Topics include: Mt. Rushmore of great fights, history of the heavyweight division, Kovalev literally killed a recent opponent, MMA, Howard Cossell and much more. It's fantastic. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Bill Simmons new podcast had Jim Lampley on last week and it was excellent. A must listen for fight fans. Topics include: Mt. Rushmore of great fights, history of the heavyweight division, Kovalev literally killed a recent opponent, MMA, Howard Cossell and much more. It's fantastic. 
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whats the name of the podcast?

 
PinkydaPimp said:
Bout to start now..... so what you been drinking?  :shrug:

ETA:  i scored hopslam for my first time tonight!!
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Great! love that beer. I was at 2 James Distillery, Sugar House and Republic so all cool Detroit spots where I drank mixed drinks. Just cracked a GoneAway by Half Acre. Enjoy your Hopslam. 

 
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