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GOB said:
Ok watched it. Certainly didn't cry but it's well done. Complete warriors through and through. Will have to watch the full fights.

Hope IT isn't monitoring my computer today.
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well i know Micky personally so i guess it hits home more for me ...but yes ...very well done and the best fighting trilogy ive ever seen...some people hate fights that go the distance because they want knockouts ...but sometimes the heart and will of 2 men evenly matched is a sight to behold 

 
GOB said:
Ok watched these two. Ali was just unreal with his quickness. 

I loved watching Hearns throw those huge hooks. Great stuff from the hip.

But Hagler was just a pitbull.

On to the next....
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Hearns broke his hand on Hagler's head.

Hearns had Hagler reeling and opened his forehead...but broke his right hand in the first round.

Hearns tried to hang in there and throw his left mostly...but still throwing the right from time to time for a couple of rounds.

He was hoping his hand would numb up and allow him to throw it with force later...but as you saw, it opened him up to Hagler's pitbull attack which was too much to withstand...

Hearns broke that hand three years prior...he was an absolute annihilator before that...knocking out 30 of 32 fighters.  Dude could bomb with the best of them...ever.  But that break obviously affected him and followed him.

It's absolutely amazing to see him finish out that round and continue to bomb for another couple of rounds until finally getting caught.

I would've loved to have seen Hearns/Hagler or Hearns/Sugar Ray before that initial break...the guy's punch was unmatched for this size and I still don't know how he did it with those bird legs where most of that power should be coming from...

 
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GOB said:
Ok watched these two. Ali was just unreal with his quickness. 

I loved watching Hearns throw those huge hooks. Great stuff from the hip.

But Hagler was just a pitbull.

On to the next....
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The thing with the Rumble is how much Ali was allowed to get away with whatever he wanted.

He'd continually pull down on the back of fighter's heads...wearing them down.

This fight in particular, the ref allowed him to rope a dope which would absolutely get any other fighter a warning, point deductions and dq if it continued.  You simply cannot turtle up...blocking your midsection and lean back so far on the ropes that your opponent can't reach your head.  You have to engage.  Ali was smart and would paw out some punches and switch to blocking his head while leaning back and giving up the midsection but the ropes were so loose that they gave with each blow.  Foreman's mistake was wanting to kill Ali so badly that he didn't simply back off and make Ali come to him.  He instead keeps barreling forward and throwing haymakers until he's wore out.  No idea why his corner allowed that nonsense...but again, the ref shouldn't have allowed Ali's antics.

Did you watch Foreman/Norton or Foreman/Frazier?

Foreman was a monster like none other.  He was so embarrassed by the defeat to Ali that he retired and didn't return until his 40's...which would be a good watch as well.

You have to see Foreman's strategy in that Moorer fight.

 
tdoss said:
The thing with the Rumble is how much Ali was allowed to get away with whatever he wanted.

He'd continually pull down on the back of fighter's heads...wearing them down.

This fight in particular, the ref allowed him to rope a dope which would absolutely get any other fighter a warning, point deductions and dq if it continued.  You simply cannot turtle up...blocking your midsection and lean back so far on the ropes that your opponent can't reach your head.  You have to engage.  Ali was smart and would paw out some punches and switch to blocking his head while leaning back and giving up the midsection but the ropes were so loose that they gave with each blow.  Foreman's mistake was wanting to kill Ali so badly that he didn't simply back off and make Ali come to him.  He instead keeps barreling forward and throwing haymakers until he's wore out.  No idea why his corner allowed that nonsense...but again, the ref shouldn't have allowed Ali's antics.

Did you watch Foreman/Norton or Foreman/Frazier?

Foreman was a monster like none other.  He was so embarrassed by the defeat to Ali that he retired and didn't return until his 40's...which would be a good watch as well.

You have to see Foreman's strategy in that Moorer fight.
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The essence of what you are saying is mostly true. There are a few factual mistakes, but damn good posting. 

 
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It was sarcasm.

I watched Hagler Leonard and Ali Norton today. Plus a few Tyson matches.

We shall see about tomorrow.

 
The concern would be that we're ruining boxing for Gob.

You watch all of these amazing bouts and then tune in to a recent fight and there could be a serious letdown.

Although there are some gems along the way.

 
tdoss said:
The concern would be that we're ruining boxing for Gob.

You watch all of these amazing bouts and then tune in to a recent fight and there could be a serious letdown.

Although there are some gems along the way.
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There are plenty of great recent fights. It's nothing to do with old vs new. We are cherry picking the best of the best here.

 
@GOB I have to recommend Sergio Martinez vs Paul Williams 1 and 2. Both memorable for the quality of fighters and quality of fights. They are two of my favorite fighters and both have very interesting stories.

Paul Williams was a Thomas Hearns-lite. He was 6-1 with a huge reach fighting in the WW and later MW division. The height and reach advantage he had over the average 140-160 pounder made him a difficult match-up for anyone. On top of that, he was a relentless southpaw, a true pressure fighter who threw over 100 punches a round. That rare combination earned "The Punisher" the title of "boxing's most avoided fighter." Sadly, shortly after the fights with Sergio, he would be paralyzed in a motorcycle accident. He just recently made his debut as a trainer. 

Sergio Martinez was a professional cyclist and soccer player in Argentina. He had never boxed a day in his life until the age 19 when he walked in a local gym for a workout. Due to the late age he started at, his prime came much later in his life. Those skills from biking and soccer helped define the fighter he was. His quickness with his hands and feet were legendary for his size. I know you mentioned you liked quick, sharp counter punchers. You are going to love Sergio as he is one the slickest of the last 25 years. Similar to Roy Jones Jr., Sergio fought with his hands down and invited his opponent in. "Maravilla" would use his quick hands and feet to land sharp counters and wheel out of position before the opponent knew what hit him. 

Styles make fights and the relentless pressure of Williams with the slick speed of the lefty Martinez made for incredible drama that defined the pre-Canelo/GGG middle weight era. Few great rivalries end so definitively as this one does. Great fights capped off by one of the great jump out of your seat moments that few sports but boxing can provide.

Williams-Martinez 1

Williams- Martinez 2

 
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irishidiot said:
Actually about a year ago.   Was on HBO or Showtime.   Molina is clumsy & awkward but he has a solid chin & a big punch.   They were both down a few times each if I remember correctly.  Very pleasant surprise of a fight.
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Matthysse just out willed Molina...Molina was reduced to just throwing his overhand right hay maker hoping it would end the fight...love this one ...great action and heart from start to end...and a crazy confrontation between the ring doctor and joe goosen at the end of rd 10

 
Yeah my advice for GOB would be to try and stay up on what's going on weekend-to-weekend, and mix in some classic fights as well. Even if you already know the result, it can be interesting to watch fights later on.

Ward getting close to finalizing his tune-up for Kovalev, possibly Cleverly. Wish he'd push himself a little more with his choice and get someone who's going to make him work / present a test, but whatever. Beterbiev would be a very interesting/dangerous test, but I don't think Ward's camp wants that much risk before the big one.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Yeah my advice for GOB would be to try and stay up on what's going on weekend-to-weekend, and mix in some classic fights as well. Even if you already know the result, it can be interesting to watch fights later on.

Ward getting close to finalizing his tune-up for Kovalev, possibly Cleverly. Wish he'd push himself a little more with his choice and get someone who's going to make him work / present a test, but whatever. Beterbiev would be a very interesting/dangerous test, but I don't think Ward's camp wants that much risk before the big one.
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I pretty much tape all MMA/boxing events on tv now. The problem is I sometimes get far behind and delete them.

Blowing through events in half the time is glorious. Especially since there are very few spoilers out there unless they are big fights.

 
Check out some comments on Ali from the rest.   Still not the same as real boxing fans but============ decent. 

Feel like I died a little too.

 
Already watched Ali/Liston I, on to the Rumble. 

This is a hot take, but I think the movie Ali is maybe the best boxing movie I've seen. In particular, the in-ring scenes are tremendous, and probably everyone reading this knows how tough that can be to get right. Def. rewatching it this weekend. RIP Champ.

 
Watched Ali-Frazier I for the first time ever all the way through.

was Ali ####### around when he looked woozy in the 11th (after the first knockdown) or was that real?

pretty interesting fight considering the clash of sizes and styles.  (I am definitely a casual boxing fan at best.). In the first few rounds, I thought there was no way Frazier could overcome Ali's speed and length, but after that, it Definitely looked to me like Frazier controlled most of it and just got right up in there working the body.  Pretty impressive.

 
The video of the Rumble is great. Good chunk of pre- and post-fight stuff, Ali in the ring by himself waiting for Foreman to come out. Chaos in the ring afterwards, both guys getting hustled out afterwards. Really weird stadium config too. 

Foreman had 0 left. It didn't take much by the 8th round to stop him.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
The video of the Rumble is great. Good chunk of pre- and post-fight stuff, Ali in the ring by himself waiting for Foreman to come out. Chaos in the ring afterwards, both guys getting hustled out afterwards. Really weird stadium config too. 

Foreman had 0 left. It didn't take much by the 8th round to stop him.
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 Ali Bomaye!

"Kill him" in the Lingala language. Known for the 60,000 who chanted it as Muhammad Ali entered the ring during the Rumble in the Jungle fight against George Foreman in 1974.

"Ali, bomaye! Ali, bomaye!"

 
Also, how do I go about getting ownership of the thread? The most famous person in the world just died and he happened to be a boxer and we have Shane Mosley in the freaking title here. 

 
@GOB yeah, you want to watch classic fights, check out Vargas-Salido. To quote Roy Jones, "you want Mexican style, this is Mexican style." 

 
Ilov80s said:
@GOB yeah, you want to watch classic fights, check out Vargas-Salido. To quote Roy Jones, "you want Mexican style, this is Mexican style." 
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Yeah I taped it, but had a lady over so didn't watch it. I'll check it out Monday night probably. Thanks for looking out!

 
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