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*OFFICIAL* Thread: WIS X and the Cluster of Sim (2 Viewers)
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Eephus
Footballguy
dice rolling skills will be critical
oso diablo
Footballguy
ok, dumb question...
what are the roster requirements? didn't see it in the OP and didn't find in a cursory review of WIS. Is it 14 batters and 11 pitchers?
what are the roster requirements? didn't see it in the OP and didn't find in a cursory review of WIS. Is it 14 batters and 11 pitchers?
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I actually think its like 10 batters & 7 pitchers...you can then do what you want with the rest of the spots...
oso diablo
Footballguy
also, i will be gone most of tomorrow at Six Flags. right now i'm #8 in the draft order, and can pm a list of my top 8 guys to Koya or someone at the end of the draft order, in case this thing finally gets going tomorrow.
at parents' house, who live in the sticks and have dialup, so can't be online all day. will check back late tonight for any updates.
at parents' house, who live in the sticks and have dialup, so can't be online all day. will check back late tonight for any updates.
RnR
Footballguy
Ok, to contact me at work.. let's use ticker symbol "WISIX" on Yahoo. (Closest I could get to WIS) Use the message board for the stock.
My hours there are 8:00-4:15 Central time... any other time I'll be able to access this site. (Usually unavailable from 11:45-12:15 for lunch)
Will I need to roll the dice at the time I pick or will I be able to roll in the evenings? (I'm not sure I can get to the dice site at work)
My hours there are 8:00-4:15 Central time... any other time I'll be able to access this site. (Usually unavailable from 11:45-12:15 for lunch)
Will I need to roll the dice at the time I pick or will I be able to roll in the evenings? (I'm not sure I can get to the dice site at work)
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Eephus
Footballguy
WIS requires a minimum of 12 position players and 6 pitchers but most people end up with something between 15/10 and 13/12. You probably will need at least 1200 to 1300 decent IP/162 from your pitching staff. A couple of unlucky dice rolls could produce mopup and long relief pitchers. Without a salary cap and with some low IP freaks (and Harrr) out of play, I doubt anyone will have any IP/162 shortages.
PA/162 requirements vary based on your batting order. I usually try for 720-750 PA/162 for an everyday leadoff man, with a 20-25 PA dropoff for every position down the lineup. Pinch hitters, defensive replacements and platoons can help here.
I really think new players can contend in this formatTM. The draft pool is deeper than in many past leagues and the dice rolls should be a great equalizer. A team drafted from a Hall of Fame list with some lucky rolls could probably compete with a simfishing based squad.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
DH?
Eephus
Footballguy
Since you're picking back to back on the turn, it's your call on how to handle the rolls. I doubt a good/bad roll will alter someone's strategy in the first few rounds, but it could make a difference later.
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ianfitzy
Guest
Just to clarify something, I am new to this and am wondering if someone like A-Rod is picked, and say you choose a few years at 3B and a few at SS... If I roll one of his earlier years, he plays at SS right? I can't use stats from him playing 3B for the Yankees and start him as my SS, correct?
RnR
Footballguy
I think SimFishing will be all but negated this time around. Needing 4-6 usable seasons eliminates 90% of those guys with 1 freakish season.
RnR
Footballguy
You can use a player at any position you want. They have defensive grades for each year at each position they played. So, if ARod didn't play SS that season, he won't have a SS rating and will perform poorly at the position. You could play Cecil Fielder at SS if you wanted though.
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Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Sammy3469 said:TRE>Eephus said:
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
to be honest... my ranking is basically "who's the best ever?" and I'll go from there...It is truely almost impossible to rank guys based on thier top 6 seasons, plus you then have to compare the value of a great #1 season vs. the value of a worse #6 season...who's better, the guy with a top 5 all time #1 season and a #6 season that is playable, but not all-world... or the guy with 6 season that are all not as good as the #1 season of the other player, but much better than the #6...and what do you do with players who have 5 absurdly good season and that's it?
Eephus
Footballguy
Sounds like a plateau
RnR
Footballguy
***ANNOUNCE***Larry and I have completed a trade. We'll be revealing further details as the first round progresses and the specifics get hammered out.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Bump Willis
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
There are definitely ways to rank the players. For me, pitching will be a little harder than hitting, but I have a plan...
I would ask that we consider using a DH in this go-round. It could save you once in an A-Rod type situation. Suppose you have Brett already and go for A-Rod and don't get a SS season. You could then DH him.
I would ask that we consider using a DH in this go-round. It could save you once in an A-Rod type situation. Suppose you have Brett already and go for A-Rod and don't get a SS season. You could then DH him.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
I knew we shouldn't have allowed both Larry and RnR in the league.RnR>hi***ANNOUNCE***Larry and I have completed a trade. We'll be revealing further details as the first round progresses and the specifics get hammered out.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Interesting point...having said that, I think pitchers are going to get abused this time around even without the DH. This won't be a league where you're going to have a ton of great pitchers.Plus, I agree there are definite ways to ranks guys though it requires some basic statistics. Oh and the dip#### above me clogged his toilet and went to sleep....I've been swimming in crap for an hour and a half now.
doesn't do justice to how pissed I am right now.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Another thing I suppose we should nail down: If I trade for a player that someone has already drafted (and rolled for), I assume we aren't letting me roll again once I acquire them?
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Sorry about the toilet, Sammy. I'm a big eater.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
I would think noyou get the player and year he got
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Just trying to figure out all of the ways LarryBoy will cheat us before he does.
BTW - Rain delays on ESPN Monday Night baseball is better than the game. Love the bonus coverage.
BTW - Rain delays on ESPN Monday Night baseball is better than the game. Love the bonus coverage.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
To add to this: Let's say you draft a I guy that I want - can I trade for him before you announce years and roll? THere's a chance you would pick different years than I would...Again - trying to beat LarryBoy to it...
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Are we doing rolls after the round or rolls after the pick?
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
I thought we ended up with after the pick.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
In that case i would imagine that whichever year the person orders and rolls is the year that is locked in, even if there is a tradeI would say then that the pick and the roll are one combined action and cannot be splitSo you can trade for the unused pick beforehand or trade for the taken pick/year afterwards, but that's it
just my $.02
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Super Nintendo Chalmers
Footballguy
I would say no DH. I agree with Sammy that pitching will be the biggest wildcard in the draft and we do not need to add another bat to make it worse. Plus it is part of the risk. If you already have Brett do you want to take the risk with A-Rod and maybe get the SS season or is the potential of getting the 3B season not worth it in the long run. It also may impact what seasons you choose in the roll. It totaly comes down to the drafter and their stratigy.Basically what I was thinking
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
:rimshot:Are you up yet?yes, i already rolled, ####er
Kraft...
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
No DH. To use the Arod example: if you roll a SS year, draft a 3B later. In the unlikely event you've already drafted a SS, you can stick Arod at 1B or trade him.
Years are locked in w/ the pick. Roll will immediately follow the pick to start with. If this slows down runs, we can adjust later on. Re-rolling after trades makes no sense whatsoever.
I propose starting the player draft on Wednesday with no clock. The three guys who haven't rolled yet can slot in wherever. A one hour clock will start the morning after the last guy rolls for draft order. Nobody will get double skipped in rounds 1 & 2.
Years are locked in w/ the pick. Roll will immediately follow the pick to start with. If this slows down runs, we can adjust later on. Re-rolling after trades makes no sense whatsoever.
I propose starting the player draft on Wednesday with no clock. The three guys who haven't rolled yet can slot in wherever. A one hour clock will start the morning after the last guy rolls for draft order. Nobody will get double skipped in rounds 1 & 2.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Sounds good Eeph![buffer]Let's get it on![/buffer]
Eephus
Footballguy
Larryboy up in ballpark draft
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
:rimshot:Are you up yet?yes, i already rolled, ####er
Hoos First
Footballguy
where can I get a salary list? And since Im a newb at WIS, Im assuming the higher the salary the better WIS sees them being?
Eephus
Footballguy
Register at Whatifsports.com and go to the Draft Center. There's a great searchable database of players including normalized stats and WIS salaries. In the Draft Center, select any of the "Click to draft" links. From the Player Search screen, read the Player Search Notes and the change your "Player Search Preferences" to Advanced. This is at the very bottom of the screen.You can also download the entire WIS database including salaries. Links for pitchers & hitters were posted a couple of pages ago. The doesn't include all the esoteric Log5 stats.In general, high WIS salaries=good players. But the salaries structure tends to really value IPs and ABs. The highest paid player in the entire database is John Clarkson 1885, who isn't very good but pitched over 900 IP/162. He's not eligible anyway.
Hoos First
Footballguy
thank you
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
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shake zula
Footballguy
I tried yesterday and I just tried again, I can't get the dice site to work.
Hoos First
Footballguy
Are you using the irony one? If so, thats not the correct one.
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Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Thanks. Agree with everything but the DH, but I can hang.Also agree those things didn't make sense, but I'm trying to identify issues before Larry creates them.
Eephus
Footballguy
I was hoping Irony gets fixed before the draft because the UI is better than the site we've been using for draft order rolls. If we have to use the RPG site, I'll update the front page accordingly. I'm looking for someone to help with verifying dice rolls during the draft. One of the problems with doing the draft here vs. RD or BBT is that nobody has mod privileges to update the OP. If someone is willing to help me with the dice rolls and season verification, I think it would avoid some errors and make the Commissioner's job less of a PITA.
