***OFFICIAL TRADE RUMORS MASTER THREAD*** (1 Viewer)

[Limp Ditka]

Hey Boston, THIS JUST IN....

JERMAINE DYE IS BATTING .235 WITH .295 OBP THIS YEAR AND HE'S 33 YEARS OLD.

numbers since the break?

.262, .333, 8 HR, 17 RBIHe has basically had a good week and a half. I guess that makes him a can't miss for the rest of the season.

That +96 OPS must have Boston fans salivating.

.318, .382, 7HR, 13RBI since the break

OMFG, LET'S TRADE HANSEN AND PENA FOR HIM RIGHT AWAY!!!11!!!!!

Pena is useless and they have 8 - 10 pitching prospects better than Hansen on the farm. Not much to give up for a guy who was 4th in MVP voting last year, and showing signs of breaking out in the second half.

Pena is useless? You continue to amaze me. Did 2006 mean nothing to you? Oh wait, it does since you're partially trying to justify the trade based on Dye's 2006.

He is useless in his current role of playing once a week, yes. He needs to play every day to develop, won't ever happen here. This is not groundbreaking news, it's a fact. Thank God he had a couple of good games last week or this deal probably wouldn't have happened.

I agree with you in that he needs more PT and he probably won't get that in Bahston. But Jermaine Dye is not the player he was in 2006, and despite his recent flash of success, he's probably won't return to the 2006 level. If you're going to trade Pena, trade him for something more than a 4th OF.

WMP is a 4th OF. You expect him to net you more than that in return?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Hey Boston, THIS JUST IN....

JERMAINE DYE IS BATTING .235 WITH .295 OBP THIS YEAR AND HE'S 33 YEARS OLD.

numbers since the break?

.262, .333, 8 HR, 17 RBIHe has basically had a good week and a half. I guess that makes him a can't miss for the rest of the season.

That +96 OPS must have Boston fans salivating.

.318, .382, 7HR, 13RBI since the break

OMFG, LET'S TRADE HANSEN AND PENA FOR HIM RIGHT AWAY!!!11!!!!!

As a White Sox fan, I have no problem with this

Our hate for the NorthLeast baseball teams is about the only thing we'll agree on, methinks.

What I don't like is this new alliance with Dr Detroit you have going. What the, How The and When the F did this happen?

Phoenix hates Barry Bonds and the Cubs. Pretty much my opposite.

Oh yeah, I forgot you just LOVE the Cubs.

No Limp Ditka loves the Cubs, I hate the White Sox.

 

[wilked]

Olney says ENGEL BELTRE is included in the Gagne deal

Who?

prospect with a huge ceiling. Of course he just grew his first pubes last week, so I am not too broken up

 

[shadyridr]

Of course this locks up the division but I was pretty sure the division has been locked up for quite some time now. 8 games was a ton to make up. Yanks got younger and didnt trade away any of their top prospects. Im pretty happy right now. If they make the playoffs anything can happen and they didnt ruin their future. But if they dont trade Farnsworthless I will be pissed.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Hey Boston, THIS JUST IN....

JERMAINE DYE IS BATTING .235 WITH .295 OBP THIS YEAR AND HE'S 33 YEARS OLD.

numbers since the break?

.262, .333, 8 HR, 17 RBIHe has basically had a good week and a half. I guess that makes him a can't miss for the rest of the season.

That +96 OPS must have Boston fans salivating.

.318, .382, 7HR, 13RBI since the break

OMFG, LET'S TRADE HANSEN AND PENA FOR HIM RIGHT AWAY!!!11!!!!!

Pena is useless and they have 8 - 10 pitching prospects better than Hansen on the farm. Not much to give up for a guy who was 4th in MVP voting last year, and showing signs of breaking out in the second half.

Pena is useless? You continue to amaze me. Did 2006 mean nothing to you? Oh wait, it does since you're partially trying to justify the trade based on Dye's 2006.

He is useless in his current role of playing once a week, yes. He needs to play every day to develop, won't ever happen here. This is not groundbreaking news, it's a fact. Thank God he had a couple of good games last week or this deal probably wouldn't have happened.

I agree with you in that he needs more PT and he probably won't get that in Bahston. But Jermaine Dye is not the player he was in 2006, and despite his recent flash of success, he's probably won't return to the 2006 level. If you're going to trade Pena, trade him for something more than a 4th OF.

WMP is a 4th OF. You expect him to net you more than that in return?

A 4th outfielder that sucks defensively and is not a very good pinch hitter. Guy is definately overstating the value of WMP. A player that Red Sox will be letting go in the offseason.

 

[Wolf]

Olney says ENGEL BELTRE is included in the Gagne deal

Who?

16 y.o. prospect from the Dominican Republic (I think)

 

[Limp Ditka]

No Limp Ditka loves the Cubs, I hate the White Sox.

 

[The Man from Laramie]

As happy as I will be about the Sox getting Gagne, I will be disappointed if they don't get a righty bat. I guess there is always the possibility of waivers, but I would like to see them make some move now

With Gagne in the pen, barring injury the Sox become such a heavy WS favorite that I wouldn't really worry about it.

I'd give them the rings right now. Can they do that?

And I love the "barring injury" part, too. Because you can totally count on Eric Gagne being healthy.

I know, but even without him, they have two of the best RPs in the league closing out games.3 most important factors for playoff teams to win in the playoffs according to Baseball Prospectus (besides luck, which I think is statistically the most significant...don't laugh):strikeout ratedefensive runs above averagecloser WXRLSox have a good closer and a good strikeout rate. Not sure how their defense compares.

 

[Wolf]

Yanks had a chance at Gagne but they did not want to part with Melky and another guy (forget)

 

[wilked]

Of course this locks up the division but I was pretty sure the division has been locked up for quite some time now. 8 games was a ton to make up. Yanks got younger and didnt trade away any of their top prospects. Im pretty happy right now. If they make the playoffs anything can happen and they didnt ruin their future. But if they dont trade Farnsworthless I will be pissed.

there is always the DFA optionI am surprised that Cashman didn't make a move to improve the team...they are not completely out of it...I think BP has them at 20% odds for playoffs or so. I can't see how Yankees fans would be happy with them standing pat

 

[shadyridr]

Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky Cabrera

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew

 

[The Man from Laramie]

Of course this locks up the division but I was pretty sure the division has been locked up for quite some time now. 8 games was a ton to make up. Yanks got younger and didnt trade away any of their top prospects. Im pretty happy right now. If they make the playoffs anything can happen and they didnt ruin their future. But if they dont trade Farnsworthless I will be pissed.

I would love to see:Yankees trade Farnsworth and cash for nothing at all. NOTHING!Addition by subtraction

 

[MrPhoenix]

Olney says ENGEL BELTRE is included in the Gagne deal

Who?

Per the 2007 edition of the Baseball America Prospect Handbook:"Said one international scouting director of Beltre, who signed for $600,000: 'Beltre to me is a young Barry Bonds-all five tools. He can do it all. He's going to be terrifying when he fills into that body (he's only 6'1, 165).' Barry Bonds comparisons are hyperbole at this point for a 17-year old who has yet to get a pro plate appearance, though another scout likened him to Darryl Strawberry. Beltre's most enticing tool is his power potential. He has a solid swing with natural loft, and his hands whip the bat through the strike zone, he also has more plate discipline than most young Latin American players. Beltre has above-average speed and arm strength. If he doesn't stick in center field, he still profiles well in right field."In rookie league Gult Coast League, he's batting .215/.314/.413 with 5 HR's and 13 RBI in 121 AB's. He's a pretty raw prospect with high potential, and for the Rangers to get him along with Gabbard for what essentially was a couple months of competent and healthy Gagne was pretty slick. That they actually got a couple months of competent and healthy Gagne was the surprise.

 

[shadyridr]

Of course this locks up the division but I was pretty sure the division has been locked up for quite some time now. 8 games was a ton to make up. Yanks got younger and didnt trade away any of their top prospects. Im pretty happy right now. If they make the playoffs anything can happen and they didnt ruin their future. But if they dont trade Farnsworthless I will be pissed.

there is always the DFA optionI am surprised that Cashman didn't make a move to improve the team...they are not completely out of it...I think BP has them at 20% odds for playoffs or so. I can't see how Yankees fans would be happy with them standing pat

You have been saying the Yankees are horrible all year. So why give up huge prospects to improve if its a losing cause? Are you playing both sides of the fence. I think Proctor (who is an average reliever) for Betimet IS an improvement. Of course they would have to replace Proctor but they seem to be confident that Joba, Britton, and Karstens can do the job.I credit Cashman for thinking outside of the box and not panicking.

 

[The Man from Laramie]

"Barry Bonds comparisons are hyperbole at this point for a 17-year old who has yet to get a pro plate appearance"

Informative.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

As happy as I will be about the Sox getting Gagne, I will be disappointed if they don't get a righty bat. I guess there is always the possibility of waivers, but I would like to see them make some move now

With Gagne in the pen, barring injury the Sox become such a heavy WS favorite that I wouldn't really worry about it.

I'd give them the rings right now. Can they do that?

And I love the "barring injury" part, too. Because you can totally count on Eric Gagne being healthy.

I know, but even without him, they have two of the best RPs in the league closing out games.3 most important factors for playoff teams to win in the playoffs according to Baseball Prospectus (besides luck, which I think is statistically the most significant...don't laugh):strikeout ratedefensive runs above averagecloser WXRLSox have a good closer and a good strikeout rate. Not sure how their defense compares.

Boston didn't need pitching. Boston needs hitting. Gagne makes much less impact in Boston IMO than he would anywhere else. Thus if he doesn't stay in Texas, I hope he lands in Boston. To me he makes almost no difference unless he's going to teach JD Drew to hit a decent pitcher or mend Ortiz's bump knee.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Of course this locks up the division but I was pretty sure the division has been locked up for quite some time now. 8 games was a ton to make up. Yanks got younger and didnt trade away any of their top prospects. Im pretty happy right now. If they make the playoffs anything can happen and they didnt ruin their future. But if they dont trade Farnsworthless I will be pissed.

there is always the DFA optionI am surprised that Cashman didn't make a move to improve the team...they are not completely out of it...I think BP has them at 20% odds for playoffs or so. I can't see how Yankees fans would be happy with them standing pat

Hughes is back, Joba will be coming up and Giambi will be back on the bench...... I'm fine with these as opposed to getting Gagne or Dye.

 

[MrPhoenix]

As happy as I will be about the Sox getting Gagne, I will be disappointed if they don't get a righty bat. I guess there is always the possibility of waivers, but I would like to see them make some move now

With Gagne in the pen, barring injury the Sox become such a heavy WS favorite that I wouldn't really worry about it.

I'd give them the rings right now. Can they do that?

And I love the "barring injury" part, too. Because you can totally count on Eric Gagne being healthy.

I know, but even without him, they have two of the best RPs in the league closing out games.3 most important factors for playoff teams to win in the playoffs according to Baseball Prospectus (besides luck, which I think is statistically the most significant...don't laugh):

strikeout rate

defensive runs above average

closer WXRL

Sox have a good closer and a good strikeout rate. Not sure how their defense compares.

Not denying the fact that the Sox have two of the best RPs in the league closing out games. I just question the mortgaging of the future for a guy who, despite having a good season, is not the same pitcher that he was. Look at his 2007 stats, his BB and hit rate is up and his K rate is down.

 

[Darth Cheney]

As happy as I will be about the Sox getting Gagne, I will be disappointed if they don't get a righty bat. I guess there is always the possibility of waivers, but I would like to see them make some move now

With Gagne in the pen, barring injury the Sox become such a heavy WS favorite that I wouldn't really worry about it.

I'd give them the rings right now. Can they do that?

And I love the "barring injury" part, too. Because you can totally count on Eric Gagne being healthy.

I know, but even without him, they have two of the best RPs in the league closing out games.3 most important factors for playoff teams to win in the playoffs according to Baseball Prospectus (besides luck, which I think is statistically the most significant...don't laugh):strikeout ratedefensive runs above averagecloser WXRLSox have a good closer and a good strikeout rate. Not sure how their defense compares.

Boston didn't need pitching. Boston needs hitting. Gagne makes much less impact in Boston IMO than he would anywhere else. Thus if he doesn't stay in Texas, I hope he lands in Boston. To me he makes almost no difference unless he's going to teach JD Drew to hit a decent pitcher or mend Ortiz's bump knee.

 

[pgreenfan]

Olney says ENGEL BELTRE is included in the Gagne deal

Who?

Per the 2007 edition of the Baseball America Prospect Handbook:"Said one international scouting director of Beltre, who signed for $600,000: 'Beltre to me is a young Barry Bonds-all five tools. He can do it all. He's going to be terrifying when he fills into that body (he's only 6'1, 165).' Barry Bonds comparisons are hyperbole at this point for a 17-year old who has yet to get a pro plate appearance, though another scout likened him to Darryl Strawberry. Beltre's most enticing tool is his power potential. He has a solid swing with natural loft, and his hands whip the bat through the strike zone, he also has more plate discipline than most young Latin American players. Beltre has above-average speed and arm strength. If he doesn't stick in center field, he still profiles well in right field."In rookie league Gult Coast League, he's batting .215/.314/.413 with 5 HR's and 13 RBI in 121 AB's. He's a pretty raw prospect with high potential, and for the Rangers to get him along with Gabbard for what essentially was a couple months of competent and healthy Gagne was pretty slick. That they actually got a couple months of competent and healthy Gagne was the surprise.

Has this been confirmed as part of the Gagne proposal anywhere?

 

[shadyridr]

So are Gabbard and Beltre the equivalent playing level to the draft picks Texas wouldve received?

 

[wilked]

Of course this locks up the division but I was pretty sure the division has been locked up for quite some time now. 8 games was a ton to make up. Yanks got younger and didnt trade away any of their top prospects. Im pretty happy right now. If they make the playoffs anything can happen and they didnt ruin their future. But if they dont trade Farnsworthless I will be pissed.

there is always the DFA optionI am surprised that Cashman didn't make a move to improve the team...they are not completely out of it...I think BP has them at 20% odds for playoffs or so. I can't see how Yankees fans would be happy with them standing pat

You have been saying the Yankees are horrible all year. So why give up huge prospects to improve if its a losing cause? Are you playing both sides of the fence. I think Proctor (who is an average reliever) for Betimet IS an improvement. Of course they would have to replace Proctor but they seem to be confident that Joba, Britton, and Karstens can do the job.I credit Cashman for thinking outside of the box and not panicking.

Well, they have been horrible all year, thus the need for a trade. They are within striking distance of the Wild Card, I am surprised to see them not make a move for it. If you really think they will be all set with their current bullpen you are fantasizing. As for the Gagne deal, I think we won't see Timlin or Donnely again...

 

[MrPhoenix]

"Barry Bonds comparisons are hyperbole at this point for a 17-year old who has yet to get a pro plate appearance"Informative.

I put that one there on purpose because I just KNEW that you or some other Sox fan here would point that out. You took the one negative out of the whole paragraph and tried to kill the credibility of the post based on that one statement. Congratulations.

 

[Capella]

Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky CabreraTHANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew

you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

 

[MrPhoenix]

Olney says ENGEL BELTRE is included in the Gagne deal

Who?

Per the 2007 edition of the Baseball America Prospect Handbook:"Said one international scouting director of Beltre, who signed for $600,000: 'Beltre to me is a young Barry Bonds-all five tools. He can do it all. He's going to be terrifying when he fills into that body (he's only 6'1, 165).' Barry Bonds comparisons are hyperbole at this point for a 17-year old who has yet to get a pro plate appearance, though another scout likened him to Darryl Strawberry. Beltre's most enticing tool is his power potential. He has a solid swing with natural loft, and his hands whip the bat through the strike zone, he also has more plate discipline than most young Latin American players. Beltre has above-average speed and arm strength. If he doesn't stick in center field, he still profiles well in right field."In rookie league Gult Coast League, he's batting .215/.314/.413 with 5 HR's and 13 RBI in 121 AB's. He's a pretty raw prospect with high potential, and for the Rangers to get him along with Gabbard for what essentially was a couple months of competent and healthy Gagne was pretty slick. That they actually got a couple months of competent and healthy Gagne was the surprise.

Has this been confirmed as part of the Gagne proposal anywhere?

Buster Olney said it on ESPN. I'm just letting people know what the mystery is.

 

[wilked]

So are Gabbard and Beltre the equivalent playing level to the draft picks Texas wouldve received?

that is the icing on the cake for the Sox...the picks they will get at the end of the year

 

[ianfitzy]

How are we mortaging our future??? We get an impact bullpen right hander to go along with Okajima to set up for Paps and we don't give up Ellsbury, Bucholz, Masterson, Lester or Bowden. Can't argue with that. I don't care if we gave up a 17 YO Dominican Barry Bonds either, because he is 17 and a long ways away.

 

[shadyridr]

As happy as I will be about the Sox getting Gagne, I will be disappointed if they don't get a righty bat. I guess there is always the possibility of waivers, but I would like to see them make some move now

With Gagne in the pen, barring injury the Sox become such a heavy WS favorite that I wouldn't really worry about it.

I'd give them the rings right now. Can they do that?

And I love the "barring injury" part, too. Because you can totally count on Eric Gagne being healthy.

I know, but even without him, they have two of the best RPs in the league closing out games.3 most important factors for playoff teams to win in the playoffs according to Baseball Prospectus (besides luck, which I think is statistically the most significant...don't laugh):strikeout ratedefensive runs above averagecloser WXRLSox have a good closer and a good strikeout rate. Not sure how their defense compares.

Boston didn't need pitching. Boston needs hitting. Gagne makes much less impact in Boston IMO than he would anywhere else. Thus if he doesn't stay in Texas, I hope he lands in Boston. To me he makes almost no difference unless he's going to teach JD Drew to hit a decent pitcher or mend Ortiz's bump knee.

This is a good point. Their essentially replacing one inning of a game IF their starter does not go 7. If their starter goes 7 innings (which they have been doing all year) then the 8th and 9th innings are virtually the same and they have not improved one bit.

 

[wilked]

Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky CabreraTHANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew

you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

ya, I had a chuckle at that too. Since when has Melky become untouchable??

 

[wilked]

This is a good point. Their essentially replacing one inning of a game IF their starter does not go 7. If their starter goes 7 innings (which they have been doing all year) then the 8th and 9th innings are virtually the same and they have not improved one bit.

Uhh, dude, you can't pitch Papelbon every day, and Oki already has a high inning total

 

[MrPhoenix]

How are we mortaging our future??? We get an impact bullpen right hander to go along with Okajima to set up for Paps and we don't give up Ellsbury, Bucholz, Masterson, Lester or Bowden. Can't argue with that. I don't care if we gave up a 17 YO Dominican Barry Bonds either, because he is 17 and a long ways away.

As always, the "what can you do for me NOW" mentality prevails over potential.

 

[The Man from Laramie]

"Barry Bonds comparisons are hyperbole at this point for a 17-year old who has yet to get a pro plate appearance"Informative.

I put that one there on purpose because I just KNEW that you or some other Sox fan here would point that out. You took the one negative out of the whole paragraph and tried to kill the credibility of the post based on that one statement. Congratulations.

1. I am a Yankees fan2. I'm just pointing out how asenine it is to say "Comparing this 17 year old to arguably the best hitter of all time is premature." That's just bizarre.

 

[shadyridr]

Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky CabreraTHANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew

you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

Not for a 2 month rental of Gagne. Cabrera has been tearing the cover off the ball, is a better hitter than Damon right now, and is putting up close to Gold Glove level defense. He has been a God send.

 

[Txns8]

Dotel Deal Done???

 

[shadyridr]

Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky CabreraTHANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew

you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

ya, I had a chuckle at that too. Since when has Melky become untouchable??

Unless you watch the Yankees everyday, Melky has become a HUGE part of this team. Defense is very important and he has been phenomenal.

 

[shadyridr]

This is a good point. Their essentially replacing one inning of a game IF their starter does not go 7. If their starter goes 7 innings (which they have been doing all year) then the 8th and 9th innings are virtually the same and they have not improved one bit.

Uhh, dude, you can't pitch Papelbon every day, and Oki already has a high inning total

In the playoffs with all the off days you can

 

[Capella]

Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky CabreraTHANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew

you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

Not for a 2 month rental of Gagne. Cabrera has been tearing the cover off the ball, is a better hitter than Damon right now, and is putting up close to Gold Glove level defense. He has been a God send.

Very little power, average on-base skills, very good defense. If the Yanks were serious about going for the WC, trading him for Gagne would've been a complete no-brainer. You're blowing Melky up just because Damon has been so bad. Melky is a 4th outfielder, or a starter on a bad team.

 

[ianfitzy]

How are we mortaging our future??? We get an impact bullpen right hander to go along with Okajima to set up for Paps and we don't give up Ellsbury, Bucholz, Masterson, Lester or Bowden. Can't argue with that. I don't care if we gave up a 17 YO Dominican Barry Bonds either, because he is 17 and a long ways away.

As always, the "what can you do for me NOW" mentality prevails over potential.

Dude... The Sox have a chance for a WS. They improved those chances without giving up one of their top 5 prospects... The kid is 17 and is in the Gulf Coast league, if he pans out to be good, it will probably take atleast 4-5 years for it to happen. The Sox also have one of the top systems in the league right now and we didn't take it apart for the trade, so we can win now and still have players like Ellsbury, Bucholz, Lester, Bowden, Lowrie, Master waiting in the wings.

 

[shadyridr]

Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky CabreraTHANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew

you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

ya, I had a chuckle at that too. Since when has Melky become untouchable??

BTW do you realize how old Melky Cabrera is? You dont think he can only get better? He shows tremendous plate discipline and his power can improve and his defense is already top notch.

 

[MrPhoenix]

"Barry Bonds comparisons are hyperbole at this point for a 17-year old who has yet to get a pro plate appearance"

Informative.

I put that one there on purpose because I just KNEW that you or some other Sox fan here would point that out. You took the one negative out of the whole paragraph and tried to kill the credibility of the post based on that one statement. Congratulations.

1. I am a Yankees fan2. I'm just pointing out how asinine it is to say "Comparing this 17 year old to arguably the best hitter of all time is premature." That's just bizarre.

You're saying it's stupid to say that "Comparing this 17 year old to arguably the best hitter of all time is premature."

as·i·nine

adj.

1. Utterly stupid or silly: asinine behavior.

2. Of, relating to, or resembling an ###.

 

[Greco]

Sportsline is reporting Gagne to BoSox if they can get him to sign off on deal...Pappelbon to rotation???

 

[MrPhoenix]

How are we mortaging our future??? We get an impact bullpen right hander to go along with Okajima to set up for Paps and we don't give up Ellsbury, Bucholz, Masterson, Lester or Bowden. Can't argue with that. I don't care if we gave up a 17 YO Dominican Barry Bonds either, because he is 17 and a long ways away.

As always, the "what can you do for me NOW" mentality prevails over potential.

Dude... The Sox have a chance for a WS.

And you think that an injury prone reliever is going to put them over the top?

 

[Greco]

From CBSSPORTSLINE: re: GAGNE

The veteran closer's contract includes a list of 12 teams to which the Rangers can assign him, and Boston is not on that list. As such, Gagne must approve a deal with Boston, and the Red Sox have received permission to negotiate with his agent, Scott Boras, sources say.

Gagne is a free agent this winter, and it is believed that he wants assurances as to how the Red Sox will use him rather than any guarantee of a deal beyond this season.

Jonathan Papelbon is Boston's closer, and ultimately the Red Sox almost assuredly must promise Gagne some ninth-inning action for him to agree to go. It was unclear as negotiations continue whether Gagne will require the Red Sox to name him as the sole closer or whether he'll accept some sort of agreement to a shared closer's role with Papelbon.

 

[shadyridr]

Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky Cabrera

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew

you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

Not for a 2 month rental of Gagne. Cabrera has been tearing the cover off the ball, is a better hitter than Damon right now, and is putting up close to Gold Glove level defense. He has been a God send.

Very little power, average on-base skills, very good defense. If the Yanks were serious about going for the WC, trading him for Gagne would've been a complete no-brainer. You're blowing Melky up just because Damon has been so bad. Melky is a 4th outfielder, or a starter on a bad team.

Do you realize how young Melky is? You dont think he can improve?

 

[ianfitzy]

How are we mortaging our future??? We get an impact bullpen right hander to go along with Okajima to set up for Paps and we don't give up Ellsbury, Bucholz, Masterson, Lester or Bowden. Can't argue with that. I don't care if we gave up a 17 YO Dominican Barry Bonds either, because he is 17 and a long ways away.

As always, the "what can you do for me NOW" mentality prevails over potential.

Dude... The Sox have a chance for a WS.

And you think that an injury prone reliever is going to put them over the top?

I think a RP with 16 saves with a 2.16 ERA and 1.05 WHIP can't hurt and he can definitely help alot more than some skinny kid who is 5 years away from the majors.

 

[MrPhoenix]

From CBSSPORTSLINE: re: GAGNE

The veteran closer's contract includes a list of 12 teams to which the Rangers can assign him, and Boston is not on that list. As such, Gagne must approve a deal with Boston, and the Red Sox have received permission to negotiate with his agent, Scott Boras, sources say.

Gagne is a free agent this winter, and it is believed that he wants assurances as to how the Red Sox will use him rather than any guarantee of a deal beyond this season.

Jonathan Papelbon is Boston's closer, and ultimately the Red Sox almost assuredly must promise Gagne some ninth-inning action for him to agree to go. It was unclear as negotiations continue whether Gagne will require the Red Sox to name him as the sole closer or whether he'll accept some sort of agreement to a shared closer's role with Papelbon.

Nice to see that Gagne is a team player.

 

[MrPhoenix]

How are we mortaging our future??? We get an impact bullpen right hander to go along with Okajima to set up for Paps and we don't give up Ellsbury, Bucholz, Masterson, Lester or Bowden. Can't argue with that. I don't care if we gave up a 17 YO Dominican Barry Bonds either, because he is 17 and a long ways away.

As always, the "what can you do for me NOW" mentality prevails over potential.

Dude... The Sox have a chance for a WS.

And you think that an injury prone reliever is going to put them over the top?

I think a RP with 16 saves with a 2.16 ERA and 1.05 WHIP can't hurt and he can definitely help alot more than some skinny kid who is 5 years away from the majors.

And I think a RP with injury troubles and diminishing peripherals is overrated. We now understand each other.

 

[The Man from Laramie]

Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky CabreraTHANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew

you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

Melky has a 13.2 VORP this year, is 22 years old, and makes $430k. Gagne has a 14.1 VORP this year, is 31 years old, has a history of injury, has a contract up at season's end, and makes $6MM.Isn't so ridiculous if you think about it. Did I want the Yankees to get Gagne? Yes. Would I have been mad if they gave up Melky? Not really. But it's not really idiotic to say it's a good thing they didn't pull the trigger on that.

 

[Capella]

Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky Cabrera

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew

you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

Not for a 2 month rental of Gagne. Cabrera has been tearing the cover off the ball, is a better hitter than Damon right now, and is putting up close to Gold Glove level defense. He has been a God send.

Very little power, average on-base skills, very good defense. If the Yanks were serious about going for the WC, trading him for Gagne would've been a complete no-brainer. You're blowing Melky up just because Damon has been so bad. Melky is a 4th outfielder, or a starter on a bad team.

Do you realize how young Melky is? You dont think he can improve?

Yes, he's 23. No, he's never going to develop a lot of power. Since he doesn't have a lot of speed either, that makes him a pretty ineffective offensive player, considering the position he has to play.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Dotel Deal Done???

Sweet. Suck it Cleveland.