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***OFFICIAL TRADE RUMORS MASTER THREAD*** (1 Viewer)

Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky CabreraTHANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: you wouldn't give up melky for gagne? :lmao:
Melky has a 13.2 VORP this year, is 22 years old, and makes $430k. Gagne has a 14.1 VORP this year, is 31 years old, has a history of injury, has a contract up at season's end, and makes $6MM.Isn't so ridiculous if you think about it. Did I want the Yankees to get Gagne? Yes. Would I have been mad if they gave up Melky? Not really. But it's not really idiotic to say it's a good thing they didn't pull the trigger on that. :lmao:
:shrug:
 
Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky CabreraTHANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: you wouldn't give up melky for gagne? :lmao:
Melky has a 13.2 VORP this year, is 22 years old, and makes $430k. Gagne has a 14.1 VORP this year, is 31 years old, has a history of injury, has a contract up at season's end, and makes $6MM.Isn't so ridiculous if you think about it. Did I want the Yankees to get Gagne? Yes. Would I have been mad if they gave up Melky? Not really. But it's not really idiotic to say it's a good thing they didn't pull the trigger on that. :shrug:
What's the bigger need for the Yankees?
 
"Barry Bonds comparisons are hyperbole at this point for a 17-year old who has yet to get a pro plate appearance"

Informative.
I put that one there on purpose because I just KNEW that you or some other Sox fan here would point that out. You took the one negative out of the whole paragraph and tried to kill the credibility of the post based on that one statement. Congratulations.
1. I am a Yankees fan2. I'm just pointing out how asinine it is to say "Comparing this 17 year old to arguably the best hitter of all time is premature." That's just bizarre.
You're saying it's stupid to say that "Comparing this 17 year old to arguably the best hitter of all time is premature."
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adj.

1. Utterly stupid or silly: asinine behavior.

2. Of, relating to, or resembling an ###.
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Yes. It's completely unneccesary. I went out for a walk the other day at noon. It was not night time. I went to the store and bought something. It cost me money. I took public transportation downtown. Said transportation is paid for by the government. Living in California is nice because you're near the ocean. That ocean is the Pacific Ocean.EDIT to add: I saw a 17 year old playing baseball. He probably will not end up being the next Barry Bonds.

 
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Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky Cabrera

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew
:shrug: :lmao: :lmao: you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

:lmao:
Not for a 2 month rental of Gagne. Cabrera has been tearing the cover off the ball, is a better hitter than Damon right now, and is putting up close to Gold Glove level defense. He has been a God send.
Very little power, average on-base skills, very good defense. If the Yanks were serious about going for the WC, trading him for Gagne would've been a complete no-brainer. You're blowing Melky up just because Damon has been so bad. Melky is a 4th outfielder, or a starter on a bad team.
Do you realize how young Melky is? You dont think he can improve?
Yes, he's 23. No, he's never going to develop a lot of power. Since he doesn't have a lot of speed either, that makes him a pretty ineffective offensive player, considering the position he has to play.
He is hitting over .320, with a .400 OBP and a .830 OPS since May
 
The Red Sox are on the verge of acquiring closer Eric Gagne, but their talks with the White Sox involving right fielder Jermaine Dye seemingly are dead, according to a major-league source.

The two teams apparently could not come to an agreement on players. Dye never was formally approached for his permission to approve a deal.

It is still possible that Dye could be traded before the non-waiver deadline at 4 p.m. ET. The Cubs, Diamondbacks and Angels could be possibilities.

The Diamondbacks have been shopping right fielder Carlos Quentin for pitching help. However, they are more likely to promote Justin Upton from Class AA than trade for Dye.

One possibility for the Diamondbacks is to trade for Nationals closer Chad Cordero, then ship him to the Mets in a three-way deal.

The Mets, though, are balking at the asking price for Cordero from both the Nationals and Diamondbacks.

 
Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky CabreraTHANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew
:hophead: :lmao: :lmao: you wouldn't give up melky for gagne? :lmao:
Melky has a 13.2 VORP this year, is 22 years old, and makes $430k. Gagne has a 14.1 VORP this year, is 31 years old, has a history of injury, has a contract up at season's end, and makes $6MM.Isn't so ridiculous if you think about it. Did I want the Yankees to get Gagne? Yes. Would I have been mad if they gave up Melky? Not really. But it's not really idiotic to say it's a good thing they didn't pull the trigger on that. :rolleyes:
What's the bigger need for the Yankees?
Considering Damon and his atrocious defense wouldve had to go back to CF thus hurting ALL the pitchers, Id say Cabrera was the bigger need. Now if you wanna tell me they couldve gotten a defensive CFer to replace Cabrera, then I wouldve pulled the trigger.
 
What's the bigger need for the Yankees?
pitching. Look, you're right. However, I'm just fine with the Yankees staying young at the expense of a rental this year. If we make the playoffs, that'll be great, but I would put our chances of winning the WS, even if we make it at below 10%. No need to panic just to make it to the playoffs.You have to remember, the Yankees are about winning the World Series, not just making it there. :hophead: Dr. Detroit. :rolleyes:
 
I imagine the Sox will add the RH bat in August then. Nice day for the Red Sox, the bullpen is absolutely sick now. With Schill set to come back shortly the team is hitting a nice stride

 
Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky Cabrera

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

:lmao:
Not for a 2 month rental of Gagne. Cabrera has been tearing the cover off the ball, is a better hitter than Damon right now, and is putting up close to Gold Glove level defense. He has been a God send.
Very little power, average on-base skills, very good defense. If the Yanks were serious about going for the WC, trading him for Gagne would've been a complete no-brainer. You're blowing Melky up just because Damon has been so bad. Melky is a 4th outfielder, or a starter on a bad team.
Do you realize how young Melky is? You dont think he can improve?
Yes, he's 23. No, he's never going to develop a lot of power. Since he doesn't have a lot of speed either, that makes him a pretty ineffective offensive player, considering the position he has to play.
He is hitting over .320, with a .400 OBP and a .830 OPS since May
Right, but the season starts in April.344 obp for the year, 351 for his career, 347 in over 1400 minor-league at-bats. Not saying he's not useful, he's just not really great.

 
radio here saying the gagne to the red sox is done
So is Baby Gagne going to get his precious closer job and unseat the better man because he's Eric F'ing Gagne?
looks like closer by committee, with Papelbon being the guy in the playoffs.
All the Sox have to do is guarantee Gagne his bonuses and this problem will go away. I would more expect them to go that route.
 
What's the bigger need for the Yankees?
pitching. Look, you're right. However, I'm just fine with the Yankees staying young at the expense of a rental this year. If we make the playoffs, that'll be great, but I would put our chances of winning the WS, even if we make it at below 10%. No need to panic just to make it to the playoffs.You have to remember, the Yankees are about winning the World Series, not just making it there. :lmao: Dr. Detroit. :lmao:
I can get on board with that, if the team doesn't believe it can get there and win it. Just a surprising approach, I guess.
 
Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky Cabrera

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew
:thumbup: :goodposting: :goodposting: you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

:lmao:
Not for a 2 month rental of Gagne. Cabrera has been tearing the cover off the ball, is a better hitter than Damon right now, and is putting up close to Gold Glove level defense. He has been a God send.
Very little power, average on-base skills, very good defense. If the Yanks were serious about going for the WC, trading him for Gagne would've been a complete no-brainer. You're blowing Melky up just because Damon has been so bad. Melky is a 4th outfielder, or a starter on a bad team.
Do you realize how young Melky is? You dont think he can improve?
Yes, he's 23. No, he's never going to develop a lot of power. Since he doesn't have a lot of speed either, that makes him a pretty ineffective offensive player, considering the position he has to play.
He is hitting over .320, with a .400 OBP and a .830 OPS since May
Right, but the season starts in April.344 obp for the year, 351 for his career, 347 in over 1400 minor-league at-bats. Not saying he's not useful, he's just not really great.
For a 23 year old to have a 351 OBP for his "career" isn't a bad thing, and it's not like that number is likely to go down.
 
Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky Cabrera

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew
:thumbup: :goodposting: :goodposting: you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

:lmao:
Not for a 2 month rental of Gagne. Cabrera has been tearing the cover off the ball, is a better hitter than Damon right now, and is putting up close to Gold Glove level defense. He has been a God send.
Very little power, average on-base skills, very good defense. If the Yanks were serious about going for the WC, trading him for Gagne would've been a complete no-brainer. You're blowing Melky up just because Damon has been so bad. Melky is a 4th outfielder, or a starter on a bad team.
Do you realize how young Melky is? You dont think he can improve?
Yes, he's 23. No, he's never going to develop a lot of power. Since he doesn't have a lot of speed either, that makes him a pretty ineffective offensive player, considering the position he has to play.
He is hitting over .320, with a .400 OBP and a .830 OPS since May
Right, but the season starts in April.344 obp for the year, 351 for his career, 347 in over 1400 minor-league at-bats. Not saying he's not useful, he's just not really great.
For a 23 year old to have a 351 OBP for his "career" isn't a bad thing, and it's not like that number is likely to go down.
So you're just expecting a sudden jump at some point, despite having over 2200 professional at-bats and not showing that skill? 351 is ok if you're producing a lot of power or have another skill to use to contribute to the offense. He doesn't hit for power and he doesn't run. And he's playing a premium position where you expect one of those assets.I know you're a young-talent ####er, but Melky is nothing to get excited about.

 
The Twins reportedly talked to the Rockies about Garrett Atkins, using Juan Rincon as bait.

The Rockies aren't planning on moving Atkins, and while they want a reliever, Rincon doesn't have nearly as much value as he used to. Nothing is expected to happen here. There's a chance Rincon could go elsewhere.

 
Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky Cabrera

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew
:shrug: :lmao: :goodposting: you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

:lmao:
Not for a 2 month rental of Gagne. Cabrera has been tearing the cover off the ball, is a better hitter than Damon right now, and is putting up close to Gold Glove level defense. He has been a God send.
Very little power, average on-base skills, very good defense. If the Yanks were serious about going for the WC, trading him for Gagne would've been a complete no-brainer. You're blowing Melky up just because Damon has been so bad. Melky is a 4th outfielder, or a starter on a bad team.
Do you realize how young Melky is? You dont think he can improve?
Yes, he's 23. No, he's never going to develop a lot of power. Since he doesn't have a lot of speed either, that makes him a pretty ineffective offensive player, considering the position he has to play.
He is hitting over .320, with a .400 OBP and a .830 OPS since May
Right, but the season starts in April.344 obp for the year, 351 for his career, 347 in over 1400 minor-league at-bats. Not saying he's not useful, he's just not really great.
I never said he was great. Hes probably a career 3rd OFer. BUT to trade him for a 2 month rental is way too shortsighted especially considering that while the addition of Gagne would help tremendously the addition of Damon in CF would hurt just as much if not more.
 
So you're just expecting a sudden jump at some point, despite having over 2200 professional at-bats and not showing that skill? 351 is ok if you're producing a lot of power or have another skill to use to contribute to the offense. He doesn't hit for power and he doesn't run. And he's playing a premium position where you expect one of those assets.

I know you're a young-talent ####er, but Melky is nothing to get excited about.
Center fielders aren't expected to have power.
 
Obviously at least 2 GMs think highly of Melky (Cashman & Daniels). I guess Ill take a fired GM (Phillips) and an online guru's (Capella) opinion over theres.

 
Yankees were told to get Gagne they would have to give up either Ian Kennedy or Melky Cabrera

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew
:goodposting: :goodposting: :thumbup: you wouldn't give up melky for gagne?

:lmao:
Not for a 2 month rental of Gagne. Cabrera has been tearing the cover off the ball, is a better hitter than Damon right now, and is putting up close to Gold Glove level defense. He has been a God send.
Very little power, average on-base skills, very good defense. If the Yanks were serious about going for the WC, trading him for Gagne would've been a complete no-brainer. You're blowing Melky up just because Damon has been so bad. Melky is a 4th outfielder, or a starter on a bad team.
Do you realize how young Melky is? You dont think he can improve?
Yes, he's 23. No, he's never going to develop a lot of power. Since he doesn't have a lot of speed either, that makes him a pretty ineffective offensive player, considering the position he has to play.
He is hitting over .320, with a .400 OBP and a .830 OPS since May
Right, but the season starts in April.344 obp for the year, 351 for his career, 347 in over 1400 minor-league at-bats. Not saying he's not useful, he's just not really great.
For a 23 year old to have a 351 OBP for his "career" isn't a bad thing, and it's not like that number is likely to go down.
So you're just expecting a sudden jump at some point, despite having over 2200 professional at-bats and not showing that skill? 351 is ok if you're producing a lot of power or have another skill to use to contribute to the offense. He doesn't hit for power and he doesn't run. And he's playing a premium position where you expect one of those assets.I know you're a young-talent ####er, but Melky is nothing to get excited about.
I agree that he doesn't have power or speed. But he is a useful player (maybe not enough for a team like the Yankees, but still useful). I'd much rather have a guy who can get on base than a guy with all speed (Pierre, who can't get on base or hit for power) or all power (Dye, who can't get on base or run). I'm not expecting a huge power surge from Cabrera at all, Cappy. But at 23, it's too early to say he won't add power (Jose Reyes hit only 7 HR's in his first full season in the majors). Power is often one of the last things that develops in a prospect. And I wouldn't trade Melky at this point for Gagne because, as I've alluded to in this thread, I'm not very high on Gagne.

 
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So you're just expecting a sudden jump at some point, despite having over 2200 professional at-bats and not showing that skill? 351 is ok if you're producing a lot of power or have another skill to use to contribute to the offense. He doesn't hit for power and he doesn't run. And he's playing a premium position where you expect one of those assets.

I know you're a young-talent ####er, but Melky is nothing to get excited about.
Center fielders aren't expected to have power.
They're expected to have speed, or at least be on-base more if they don't have any pop. Anyways, he's not being traded, so we should take it to another thread or drop it.

 
GAGNE TO BOSTON FINALJust signed off the NTC per NESN 3 mins ago
Last updated: 3:41 p.m.Sox have Gagne dealEric Gagne has reportedly agreed to come to the Red Sox and be the setup man, according to NESN's Tom Caron. The Sox would send outfield prospects David Murphy and Engel Beltre, along with pitcher Kason Gabbard, to Texas, according to NESN.
 
This HAS to solidify Boston as the best pen in the majors, no?

Papelbon

Gagne

Okajima

Timlin

Delcarmen

Lopez

Snyder

Tavarez

 
GAGNE TO BOSTON FINALJust signed off the NTC per NESN 3 mins ago
Last updated: 3:41 p.m.Sox have Gagne dealEric Gagne has reportedly agreed to come to the Red Sox and be the setup man, according to NESN's Tom Caron. The Sox would send outfield prospects David Murphy and Engel Beltre, along with pitcher Kason Gabbard, to Texas, according to NESN.
Any of these any good?Can we talk you into sosa while were at it?
 
This HAS to solidify Boston as the best pen in the majors, no?

Papelbon

Gagne

Okajima

Timlin

Delcarmen

Lopez

Snyder

Tavarez
I think they were the best before the deal. This is like putting a firecracker on top of dynamite.
I'm not all that sure why they did this outside of preventing him from going elsewhere. I guess they plan to win every playoff game 2-1.
Don't be silly, they'll win every playoff game 3-1, even if they have to start that wretched Wily Mo Pena.
 
Enough with these minor deals. The Phils have a blockbuster that has sent a 26-yr-old minor-league infielder (Thurston?Jesus Merchan ?) to Seattle for minor-league P Julio Mateo. Mateo was demoted to the minors in May when he we was charged with beating his wife.

 
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Where is Boston getting all of this money to pay these guys? ( :lmao: )

OK so I was out for most of the last few pages, but let me see if I'm caught up...

Red Sox MIGHT have traded for Gagne, but we're waiting to hear if he'll take a backseat to Papelbomed (BTW, can't anyone else see both of these guys getting hurt before the end of the season?)

Capella is currently playing the "Yanks should have traded away all of their youth" side of the Anti-Yankees debate?

If they traded Melky or any of their youth, he'd be saying things like "same old Yankees", or "the system is unfair" (BTW, does anyone take him seriously when he isn't talking about the Rays?)

Wilked has blown his load at least once today.

Am I caught up?

 
This HAS to solidify Boston as the best pen in the majors, no?PapelbonGagneOkajimaTimlinDelcarmenLopezSnyderTavarez
I think they were the best before the deal. This is like putting a firecracker on top of dynamite.
I'm not all that sure why they did this outside of preventing him from going elsewhere. I guess they plan to win every playoff game 2-1.
Gagne has real playoff value. I think it's a good deal for them..not because solely of who they got....but who they didn't give up. Gabbard (for all the hype from Sux fans about his last couple of starts) is decent....but is really projected to be anything but the 5th starter in the Sux rotation of the future? And Murphy and Barry Bonds Jr.......meh. These guys are a dime a dozen. If they had to give up legit blue chips for Gagne....I'd say the deal sucked.....but since they didn't (and they got a good relief pitcher and they stopped other teams from getting him) I can't argue with the deal. Come playoffs the Sox might have outsmarted themselves.....(with Wake usually going to the pen and the number of days between games) but what's the worst that will happen? And.... they didn't lose anything of real value.
 

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