Official "Vikings SHOULD FIRE CHILDRESS THREAD" (1 Viewer)

[Jobber]

keeping Chilly and disapointing the minny fans helps ziggy get one step closer to moving the team to LA.

Meh. Sports teams have been using this tired old threat for decades. I don't buy it.

 

[SayWhat?]

I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?

Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?

I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.

Childress is a terrible gameday coach.

I understand that many people think Childress is a terrible gameday coach. As a Packer fan, I recall several occasions in which I was very happy to see AP standing on the sidelines during key moments late in close games. I have strong thoughts on our ability, as common armchair fans, to judge the effectiveness of a coach on a "gameday" level. In short, I think fans have very little basis on which to judge the quality of a coach from their vantage point on the couch. The only meaningful metric on which a common fan can judge an NFL coach in my opinion is wins and losses, and Chilly has done alright in that regard. Gameplanning, lineup decisions, clock management and the like are entirely outside our competence, as much as we all would like to believe otherwise. After all, most of us have never attended one single practice, coaches meeting or been on the sidelines during a game. That covers about 95% of what a coach does, and none of us has even the slightest basis to judge a coach's performance in those areas.However, the first post in this thread and other recent comments regarding Childress seem to be focused not on his gameday coaching but on recent personnel moves. I keep reading about how Childress traded for Moss and then Childress cut Moss. My question is a sincere one - does Childress have the final say on personnel decisions? We all know that some teams have one guy serving as both coach and GM. That's not the case with the Vikings, they have Spielman. However, some head coaches have more say in roster matters than others. It seems to me that many people are assuming that Childress has authority to make major roster decisions on his own and my question is, is that the case?

My thought is that, as weak as he seems, maybe Childress is more of a scapegoat than Vikings fans want to admit, and maybe they have deeper organizational problems than are apparent at first blush. As happy as I was when Childress was given the contract extension last year, I think I would be even more happy to see the Vikings bring in a clown like Gruden, and think their problems are solved.

I think you have a decent point overall, in that in most situations the "common fan" doesn't know better than a head coach in the NFL. Most of these guys that have made it to this level in the NFL have earned their stripes. But Childress? C'mon. He was an OC that didn't even call the plays in Philly. Have you watched a Vikings game in the past 4 years? Childress is so far below mediocre when it comes to in game playcalling, decision making and game management that the "common fan" often does indeed know better than Childress does. I just don't see how that can be questioned. With Favre, Peterson, Moss, Harvin, Shiancoe and other adequate talent, the lack of creativity on offense is mind boggling. His in game management on when/when not to challenge, use timeouts, and have his best players on the field in key situations are inexusable...and the "common fan" can see and understand those things. He's lost control of this team, both on and off the field. None of the Vikings players speak out in support of Childress, and there's rumblings about numerous players that think he's a toolbox, including some of the most important and veteran ones. Sure, coaches should be judged in large part on wins and loses and Childress' win's have increased each year from 6 to 8 to 10 to 12 to this abysmal season (in all fairness though, he took over after a Mike Tice coached 9 win season so it took him 3 years to best 9 wins). But you also have to factor that the Vikings have continually added talent to their roster in each and every one of those years. I'm thoroughly convinced that without Favre last year, Childress is gone this past offseason after underachieving behind his prodigee Tarvaris Jackson. The bottom is that Childress has lost control of this team and needs to go. This Vikings team has no chance for a Super Bowl with Childress in the picture, and unfortunately their window may close before they rid themselves of his stupidity.

As to your question about personel moves. I think Spielman has a lot of pull with the draft and free agency...but I believe that Childress has a lot more pull for in-season decisions, including this Moss debacle (and especially waiving him). Believe me, Vikings fans would be ecstatic to have a "clown" like Gruden. At least he'd be able to get out of his own way, make logical in-game decisions and motivate/rally this team that's obviously underachieving.

 

[Heatman]

I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?

Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?

I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.

Childress is a terrible gameday coach.

I understand that many people think Childress is a terrible gameday coach. As a Packer fan, I recall several occasions in which I was very happy to see AP standing on the sidelines during key moments late in close games. I have strong thoughts on our ability, as common armchair fans, to judge the effectiveness of a coach on a "gameday" level. In short, I think fans have very little basis on which to judge the quality of a coach from their vantage point on the couch. The only meaningful metric on which a common fan can judge an NFL coach in my opinion is wins and losses, and Chilly has done alright in that regard. Gameplanning, lineup decisions, clock management and the like are entirely outside our competence, as much as we all would like to believe otherwise. After all, most of us have never attended one single practice, coaches meeting or been on the sidelines during a game. That covers about 95% of what a coach does, and none of us has even the slightest basis to judge a coach's performance in those areas.However, the first post in this thread and other recent comments regarding Childress seem to be focused not on his gameday coaching but on recent personnel moves. I keep reading about how Childress traded for Moss and then Childress cut Moss. My question is a sincere one - does Childress have the final say on personnel decisions? We all know that some teams have one guy serving as both coach and GM. That's not the case with the Vikings, they have Spielman. However, some head coaches have more say in roster matters than others. It seems to me that many people are assuming that Childress has authority to make major roster decisions on his own and my question is, is that the case?

My thought is that, as weak as he seems, maybe Childress is more of a scapegoat than Vikings fans want to admit, and maybe they have deeper organizational problems than are apparent at first blush. As happy as I was when Childress was given the contract extension last year, I think I would be even more happy to see the Vikings bring in a clown like Gruden, and think their problems are solved.

I think you have a decent point overall, in that in most situations the "common fan" doesn't know better than a head coach in the NFL. Most of these guys that have made it to this level in the NFL have earned their stripes. But Childress? C'mon. He was an OC that didn't even call the plays in Philly. Have you watched a Vikings game in the past 4 years? Childress is so far below mediocre when it comes to in game playcalling, decision making and game management that the "common fan" often does indeed know better than Childress does. I just don't see how that can be questioned. With Favre, Peterson, Moss, Harvin, Shiancoe and other adequate talent, the lack of creativity on offense is mind boggling. His in game management on when/when not to challenge, use timeouts, and have his best players on the field in key situations are inexusable...and the "common fan" can see and understand those things. He's lost control of this team, both on and off the field. None of the Vikings players speak out in support of Childress, and there's rumblings about numerous players that think he's a toolbox, including some of the most important and veteran ones. Sure, coaches should be judged in large part on wins and loses and Childress' win's have increased each year from 6 to 8 to 10 to 12 to this abysmal season (in all fairness though, he took over after a Mike Tice coached 9 win season so it took him 3 years to best 9 wins). But you also have to factor that the Vikings have continually added talent to their roster in each and every one of those years. I'm thoroughly convinced that without Favre last year, Childress is gone this past offseason after underachieving behind his prodigee Tarvaris Jackson. The bottom is that Childress has lost control of this team and needs to go. This Vikings team has no chance for a Super Bowl with Childress in the picture, and unfortunately their window may close before they rid themselves of his stupidity.

As to your question about personel moves. I think Spielman has a lot of pull with the draft and free agency...but I believe that Childress has a lot more pull for in-season decisions, including this Moss debacle (and especially waiving him). Believe me, Vikings fans would be ecstatic to have a "clown" like Gruden. At least he'd be able to get out of his own way, make logical in-game decisions and motivate/rally this team that's obviously underachieving.

Chilly acted alone and hopefully it will cost him: http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/...i_vckD8EQD_1cuU

The News

According to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Vikings owner Zygi Wilf is "extremely upset" with coach Brad Childress over his covert releasing of Randy Moss on Monday.

Our View

It's hard to fathom that Childress would release Moss without first speaking to his owner, who gave the go-ahead to surrender a third-round pick for Moss' services while also assuming the remainder of his $6.4 million contract, but that's apparently what he did. Needless to say, Chilly is as good as gone in Minnesota.

Looking for a story on this but:

80.3% of Vikings fan say fire him now:

http://www.startribune.com/polls/106508478...p;pid=106508478

 

[ScottyFargo]

Childress is beyond an embarrassment.

 

[mr roboto]

I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?

Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?

I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.

Childress is a terrible gameday coach.

I understand that many people think Childress is a terrible gameday coach. As a Packer fan, I recall several occasions in which I was very happy to see AP standing on the sidelines during key moments late in close games. I have strong thoughts on our ability, as common armchair fans, to judge the effectiveness of a coach on a "gameday" level. In short, I think fans have very little basis on which to judge the quality of a coach from their vantage point on the couch. The only meaningful metric on which a common fan can judge an NFL coach in my opinion is wins and losses, and Chilly has done alright in that regard. Gameplanning, lineup decisions, clock management and the like are entirely outside our competence, as much as we all would like to believe otherwise. After all, most of us have never attended one single practice, coaches meeting or been on the sidelines during a game. That covers about 95% of what a coach does, and none of us has even the slightest basis to judge a coach's performance in those areas.However, the first post in this thread and other recent comments regarding Childress seem to be focused not on his gameday coaching but on recent personnel moves. I keep reading about how Childress traded for Moss and then Childress cut Moss. My question is a sincere one - does Childress have the final say on personnel decisions? We all know that some teams have one guy serving as both coach and GM. That's not the case with the Vikings, they have Spielman. However, some head coaches have more say in roster matters than others. It seems to me that many people are assuming that Childress has authority to make major roster decisions on his own and my question is, is that the case?

My thought is that, as weak as he seems, maybe Childress is more of a scapegoat than Vikings fans want to admit, and maybe they have deeper organizational problems than are apparent at first blush. As happy as I was when Childress was given the contract extension last year, I think I would be even more happy to see the Vikings bring in a clown like Gruden, and think their problems are solved.

I think you have a decent point overall, in that in most situations the "common fan" doesn't know better than a head coach in the NFL. Most of these guys that have made it to this level in the NFL have earned their stripes. But Childress? C'mon. He was an OC that didn't even call the plays in Philly. Have you watched a Vikings game in the past 4 years? Childress is so far below mediocre when it comes to in game playcalling, decision making and game management that the "common fan" often does indeed know better than Childress does. I just don't see how that can be questioned. With Favre, Peterson, Moss, Harvin, Shiancoe and other adequate talent, the lack of creativity on offense is mind boggling. His in game management on when/when not to challenge, use timeouts, and have his best players on the field in key situations are inexusable...and the "common fan" can see and understand those things. He's lost control of this team, both on and off the field. None of the Vikings players speak out in support of Childress, and there's rumblings about numerous players that think he's a toolbox, including some of the most important and veteran ones. Sure, coaches should be judged in large part on wins and loses and Childress' win's have increased each year from 6 to 8 to 10 to 12 to this abysmal season (in all fairness though, he took over after a Mike Tice coached 9 win season so it took him 3 years to best 9 wins). But you also have to factor that the Vikings have continually added talent to their roster in each and every one of those years. I'm thoroughly convinced that without Favre last year, Childress is gone this past offseason after underachieving behind his prodigee Tarvaris Jackson. The bottom is that Childress has lost control of this team and needs to go. This Vikings team has no chance for a Super Bowl with Childress in the picture, and unfortunately their window may close before they rid themselves of his stupidity.

As to your question about personel moves. I think Spielman has a lot of pull with the draft and free agency...but I believe that Childress has a lot more pull for in-season decisions, including this Moss debacle (and especially waiving him). Believe me, Vikings fans would be ecstatic to have a "clown" like Gruden. At least he'd be able to get out of his own way, make logical in-game decisions and motivate/rally this team that's obviously underachieving.

Chilly acted alone and hopefully it will cost him: http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/...i_vckD8EQD_1cuU

The News

According to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Vikings owner Zygi Wilf is "extremely upset" with coach Brad Childress over his covert releasing of Randy Moss on Monday.

Our View

It's hard to fathom that Childress would release Moss without first speaking to his owner, who gave the go-ahead to surrender a third-round pick for Moss' services while also assuming the remainder of his $6.4 million contract, but that's apparently what he did. Needless to say, Chilly is as good as gone in Minnesota.

Looking for a story on this but:

80.3% of Vikings fan say fire him now:

http://www.startribune.com/polls/106508478...p;pid=106508478

YEAAAAAAAAAA!!! Greatest news for the Vikes this year!!!! C'mon, lets hit rock bottom ASAP so we can pull this thing out of the tailspin. Mixed metaphors. Too excited to edit for continuity.

 

[Clifford]

I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.

This is my problem with this stance: no one was pissed when Childress was essentially selling out the entire offseason program to get Favre. No one really raised a stink (except me, and I'm not a fan) when he sent three players down to Mississippi to essentially beg Favre to come back, which sent a HUGE message that nothing except #4 mattered. No one had a problem of letting the other QBs work their butts off in TC and all offseason knowing they would never get a shot. All of these things, whether they were dictated from above or Chilly's own personnel decisions, bothered anyone until the losses started to pile up. Now that all of those bad decisions, all the selling out and doubling down on Favre for one more shot at the title, signing Moss for a valuable third-round pick when you have Rice on the roster, and letting the team know that it was all about #4, have finally come home to roost. But you put this team at 4-3 instead of 2-5, and no one on this thread has a problem with any of these decisions.To me, what the Vikes did this offseason was a slap in the face to everything a team game is supposed to be. Not sure if firing anyone at this point can undo the damage.

 

[SayWhat?]

Looking for a story on this but:

80.3% of Vikings fan say fire him now:

http://www.startribune.com/polls/106508478...p;pid=106508478

And another 11.8% say fire him at the end of the season. So 92%+ of Vikings fans want him gone. Awesomeness.

 

[Jobber]

So if Wilf or any others in the organization didn't give the OK to waive Moss...can this be undone? Stupid question probably but I'll ask it anyway.

 

[SayWhat?]

I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.

This is my problem with this stance: no one was pissed when Childress was essentially selling out the entire offseason program to get Favre. No one really raised a stink (except me, and I'm not a fan) when he sent three players down to Mississippi to essentially beg Favre to come back, which sent a HUGE message that nothing except #4 mattered. No one had a problem of letting the other QBs work their butts off in TC and all offseason knowing they would never get a shot. All of these things, whether they were dictated from above or Chilly's own personnel decisions, bothered anyone until the losses started to pile up. Now that all of those bad decisions, all the selling out and doubling down on Favre for one more shot at the title, signing Moss for a valuable third-round pick when you have Rice on the roster, and letting the team know that it was all about #4, have finally come home to roost. But you put this team at 4-3 instead of 2-5, and no one on this thread has a problem with any of these decisions.To me, what the Vikes did this offseason was a slap in the face to everything a team game is supposed to be. Not sure if firing anyone at this point can undo the damage.

Ehhh. They did the same thing last year. Why would it be a shock that they were begging Favre to come back, a year after Favre (not Childress) led them to the NFC title game? Sure, it wreaked of desperation but this team is built to contend for a title now and Tarvaris isn't leading them there. The problem now resides in the fact that Childress has lost control of this team in all aspects, on and off the field. It's time for him to go, but not because he sent three players down to Mississippi to beg Favre to come back or brought Moss in for a 3rd when it's no certainty that Sidney will be back at any point this year. It's time for him to go because he's a horrific gameday coach, has lost control of this team in all aspects and is making moves like waiving Moss without the owners approval, that should result in the end of his career as a head coach.

 

[Clifford]

Well, I disagree but I have made my thoughts well known on this subject. When he placed one player above the team he gave away control. You will remember that Harvin was awol during TC, and players were already questioning just what they were doing there if all that mattered was bringing in Favre.

To me, if your down with disrupting your entire offseason program and mortgaging your future and your authority for one more shot at a Superbowl, then you should be down with the fruits of that philosophy.

Let me put it to you this way: could you ever, in a million years, see an organization like the Colts or Pats or Steelers behave in this manner? The HC picking up a player at an airport, driving him around town, going down to Mississippi to beg and when that doesn't work sending three players to do the begging for the HC?

Winning organizations don't do that because they know that no one player is above the team, and if they put one player above the whole team, it causes major problems.

 

[SayWhat?]

Well, I disagree but I have made my thoughts well known on this subject. When he placed one player above the team he gave away control. You will remember that Harvin was awol during TC, and players were already questioning just what they were doing there if all that mattered was bringing in Favre.

To me, if your down with disrupting your entire offseason program and mortgaging your future and your authority for one more shot at a Superbowl, then you should be down with the fruits of that philosophy.

Let me put it to you this way: could you ever, in a million years, see an organization like the Colts or Pats or Steelers behave in this manner? The HC picking up a player at an airport, driving him around town, going down to Mississippi to beg and when that doesn't work sending three players to do the begging for the HC?

Winning organizations don't do that because they know that no one player is above the team, and if they put one player above the whole team, it causes major problems.

Very solid post, although I think you're slightly off on the bolded. Winning organizations more often than not put certain individual players above the team. Every team's star players receive preferential treatment. The difference with the Vikings debacle is that Childress didn't have a contingency plan if Favre were to retire. Well, he did but it's Tarvaris Jackson and after a few years with him versus one with Favre, I think Childress rightfully realized this preseason that he wasn't getting to a SB with Tarvaris. Hence, the resulting full court press to get Favre to return. Also, you're correct in saying that you wouldn't see the Colts, Pats or Steelers doing the things that Childress does because their coaches typically have control of their teams as well as the respect of their players. Childress doesn't, on either account.

 

[N Zone]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ress-fired-now/

 

[Clifford]

best comment from that article

In related news, Palin supporters want Obama impeached. Also, Brett Favre says he wants to start next week.

Coming up after the break, we'll talk to some sports fans who want their favorite team to win their next game.

 

[ratpfink]

Gameplanning, lineup decisions, clock management and the like are entirely outside our competence, as much as we all would like to believe otherwise.

Down by 2 scores, 2 minutes left, no timeouts. 4th down. Childress punts. His reasoning? "The way our defense was playing I thought we could get the ball back."The defense did not have an answer for 3 kneeldowns.Yep. Outside our competence.

 

[RandyDB]

COUNTDOWN to Jan 2nd, 2011 4:00 PM - 60d : 20h : 34m

And if Chilly gets fired before then, so much the better.

 

[GridironMenace]

*signs*

 

[Da Beers]

Looking for a story on this but:

80.3% of Vikings fan say fire him now:

http://www.startribune.com/polls/106508478...p;pid=106508478

And another 11.8% say fire him at the end of the season. So 92%+ of Vikings fans want him gone. Awesomeness.

The other 8% are actually Packer or Bears fans.

 

[bakes]

The bad part of the Vikings success last season is it saved Chillys job.This is a train wreck. I think the only way for the owner to stabilize the team is to fire Childress for losing control of the team.Is it possible that the players who leaked this information to the press did so as a form of protest?Fire Childress everyone gets a clean slate and the team can start over or at least have some fun with the rest of the season. Childress doing this now divides the team and that is not going to go away as long as he is still there. The Vikings players are not going to all a sudden embrace the coaches judgement when it has shown to be this poor. Childress has lost control of the team. Otherwise he would not be desperately trying to re-establish control of it.Childress is gone at the end of the season anyways I think. Might as well have a lighter mood in the locker room the rest of the season by firing Childress who clearly has failed.

Unfortunately Zygmunt "Zygi" Wilf loves him no matter what happens. :X

To satisfy Zygi's obsession, maybe there's a decent head coach out there who looks like the other Simon.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Gameplanning, lineup decisions, clock management and the like are entirely outside our competence, as much as we all would like to believe otherwise.

Down by 2 scores, 2 minutes left, no timeouts. 4th down. Childress punts. His reasoning? "The way our defense was playing I thought we could get the ball back."The defense did not have an answer for 3 kneeldowns.Yep. Outside our competence.

I think its fun to debate coaching performance questions on internet message boards, but its good to keep a small dose of reality in the discussion. Keep in mind that Childress is one of 32 professionals at the very pinnacle of a specialized profession that numbers in the tens of thousands. He has over 30 years experience coaching at the DI and NFL levels. Guys like Zygi Wilf don't just hand out $25 mil. contracts to anyone. So while I understand that you have likely been watching football on television for many years, and perhaps even played a bit in high school, I still don't believe you or anyone else who spends their time posting on fantasy football message boards is competent to judge an NFL coach's gameplan or personnel decisions.

 

[bakes]

Gameplanning, lineup decisions, clock management and the like are entirely outside our competence, as much as we all would like to believe otherwise.

Down by 2 scores, 2 minutes left, no timeouts. 4th down. Childress punts. His reasoning? "The way our defense was playing I thought we could get the ball back."The defense did not have an answer for 3 kneeldowns.

Yep. Outside our competence.

I think its fun to debate coaching performance questions on internet message boards, but its good to keep a small dose of reality in the discussion. Keep in mind that Childress is one of 32 professionals at the very pinnacle of a specialized profession that numbers in the tens of thousands. He has over 30 years experience coaching at the DI and NFL levels. Guys like Zygi Wilf don't just hand out $25 mil. contracts to anyone. So while I understand that you have likely been watching football on television for many years, and perhaps even played a bit in high school, I still don't believe you or anyone else who spends their time posting on fantasy football message boards is competent to judge an NFL coach's gameplan or personnel decisions.

No, they hand them out to people who are A. talented or B. own compromising photographs. We've seen the level of A., may be time to see what kind of camera's in Chilly's bag.Fans, especially long time actively interested football fans, CAN look at decisions and judge a coach's competency. If ratpfink's example does not demonstrate - at the very least! - a severe lack of competency at the end of a game, then please tell me what does.

Fire this yutz.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Gameplanning, lineup decisions, clock management and the like are entirely outside our competence, as much as we all would like to believe otherwise.

Down by 2 scores, 2 minutes left, no timeouts. 4th down. Childress punts. His reasoning? "The way our defense was playing I thought we could get the ball back."The defense did not have an answer for 3 kneeldowns.Yep. Outside our competence.

I think its fun to debate coaching performance questions on internet message boards, but its good to keep a small dose of reality in the discussion. Keep in mind that Childress is one of 32 professionals at the very pinnacle of a specialized profession that numbers in the tens of thousands. He has over 30 years experience coaching at the DI and NFL levels. Guys like Zygi Wilf don't just hand out $25 mil. contracts to anyone. So while I understand that you have likely been watching football on television for many years, and perhaps even played a bit in high school, I still don't believe you or anyone else who spends their time posting on fantasy football message boards is competent to judge an NFL coach's gameplan or personnel decisions.

But also keep in mind that this pinnacle of a specialized profession is pretty much an old boys club where the same worthless retreads keep getting shot after shot at various jobs instead of giving a chance to a few of the "tens of thousands" of other guys. I think a better question to ask is not should the Vikings fire Childress, but would any other team actually want to hire him as a head coach if he were available? I think the answer is a resounding no. Like Mike Tice, I don't think Childress ever gets another shot at a head coaching job, but he'll almost certainly get another OC job where he will continue to provide below average play calling and questionable decision making. If you want a coach that does the least with the most, then Chilly is your man. He reminds me of Marty Mornhinweg except dumber.

 

[Biabreakable]

Looking for a story on this but:

80.3% of Vikings fan say fire him now:

http://www.startribune.com/polls/106508478...p;pid=106508478

And another 11.8% say fire him at the end of the season. So 92%+ of Vikings fans want him gone. Awesomeness.

The other 8% are actually Packer or Bears fans.

I think it is funny that the only people posting on behalf of Childress are not Vikings fans.

As far as a fans competence to judge Childress goes?

All we have to do is compare him to past Viking coaches. Childress is not the worst that Vikings fans have ever seen. But even those coaches didn't lose the teams faith and support the way Childress has this season.

Fire coach pampers!

 

[Sudsy]

Looking for a story on this but:

80.3% of Vikings fan say fire him now:

http://www.startribune.com/polls/106508478...p;pid=106508478

And another 11.8% say fire him at the end of the season. So 92%+ of Vikings fans want him gone. Awesomeness.

The other 8% are actually Packer or Bears fans.

I think it is funny that the only people posting on behalf of Childress are not Vikings fans.

As far as a fans competence to judge Childress goes?

All we have to do is compare him to past Viking coaches. Childress is not the worst that Vikings fans have ever seen. But even those coaches didn't lose the teams faith and support the way Childress has this season.

Fire coach pampers!

Les Steckle or Mike Tice?

 

[Bull Dozier]

Looking for a story on this but:

80.3% of Vikings fan say fire him now:

http://www.startribune.com/polls/106508478...p;pid=106508478

And another 11.8% say fire him at the end of the season. So 92%+ of Vikings fans want him gone. Awesomeness.

The other 8% are actually Packer or Bears fans.

I think it is funny that the only people posting on behalf of Childress are not Vikings fans.

As far as a fans competence to judge Childress goes?

All we have to do is compare him to past Viking coaches. Childress is not the worst that Vikings fans have ever seen. But even those coaches didn't lose the teams faith and support the way Childress has this season.

Fire coach pampers!

Les Steckle or Mike Tice?

Steckle has to take it, as much as I hate Tice.My prediction, if the Vikes lose to AZ, Childress is gone on Monday. If he wins, he survives the season unless something else comes down the pipe.

 

[SayWhat?]

Gameplanning, lineup decisions, clock management and the like are entirely outside our competence, as much as we all would like to believe otherwise.

Down by 2 scores, 2 minutes left, no timeouts. 4th down. Childress punts. His reasoning? "The way our defense was playing I thought we could get the ball back."The defense did not have an answer for 3 kneeldowns.

Yep. Outside our competence.

I think its fun to debate coaching performance questions on internet message boards, but its good to keep a small dose of reality in the discussion. Keep in mind that Childress is one of 32 professionals at the very pinnacle of a specialized profession that numbers in the tens of thousands. He has over 30 years experience coaching at the DI and NFL levels. Guys like Zygi Wilf don't just hand out $25 mil. contracts to anyone. So while I understand that you have likely been watching football on television for many years, and perhaps even played a bit in high school, I still don't believe you or anyone else who spends their time posting on fantasy football message boards is competent to judge an NFL coach's gameplan or personnel decisions.

But also keep in mind that this pinnacle of a specialized profession is pretty much an old boys club where the same worthless retreads keep getting shot after shot at various jobs instead of giving a chance to a few of the "tens of thousands" of other guys. I think a better question to ask is not should the Vikings fire Childress, but would any other team actually want to hire him as a head coach if he were available? I think the answer is a resounding no. Like Mike Tice, I don't think Childress ever gets another shot at a head coaching job, but he'll almost certainly get another OC job where he will continue to provide below average play calling and questionable decision making. If you want a coach that does the least with the most, then Chilly is your man. He reminds me of Marty Mornhinweg except dumber.

Actually, a great posting and the issue of why former retread coaches continually get hired in the NFL has been discussed on this MB in the past. It's indeed an old boys club where often times personal relationships and historical ties trump all else.

Unless Cletius (a) doesn't watch Vikings games or (b) is related to Childress, there's 3-4 decisions per week that you don't need 30 years of D1/NFL coaching experience to question.

 

[bakes]

My prediction, if the Vikes lose to AZ, Childress is gone on Monday. If he wins, he survives the season unless something else comes down the pipe.

If he's lost the team in the locker room, do they go out and tank the game to get his butt fired?

 

[Bull Dozier]

My prediction, if the Vikes lose to AZ, Childress is gone on Monday. If he wins, he survives the season unless something else comes down the pipe.

If he's lost the team in the locker room, do they go out and tank the game to get his butt fired?

I don't think professionals would ever purposefully tank a game in that manner. Will they be not highly motivated? Will they be playing for themselves instead of the team/their coach? Will they not hussle quite as hard? Will they avoid a hit to avoid an injury, etc? There's probably a difference between throwing a game, and giving something quite less than 100%. If he has in fact lost the locker room, I certainly would expect less than 100%. Maybe that is throwing the game, and it's a difference of semantics. But, yes, if he's lost the locker room, I think it would guarantee a loss.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Gameplanning, lineup decisions, clock management and the like are entirely outside our competence, as much as we all would like to believe otherwise.

Down by 2 scores, 2 minutes left, no timeouts. 4th down. Childress punts. His reasoning? "The way our defense was playing I thought we could get the ball back."The defense did not have an answer for 3 kneeldowns.Yep. Outside our competence.

Wait. That happened and he said that??

 

[Rogi]

I was behind Chilly for dropping Randy but he quickly reminded me why he needs to go. When Childress was asked how he would compensate for the deep threat Moss provided, Chilly said he has Hank Baskett. He said it with a straight face.

 

[Sabertooth]

I was behind Chilly for dropping Randy but he quickly reminded me why he needs to go. When Childress was asked how he would compensate for the deep threat Moss provided, Chilly said he has Hank Baskett. He said it with a straight face.

He's probably got a crush on Kendra. Can't say I blame him.

 

[Jeremy]

I don't get the hate. Guy takes a team with Tavaris #######' Jackson at QB and leads them to a 10-6 records and NFC North title 2 years ago. Then just last year he's one Favre bonehead throw away from the Superbowl! Now we're going to throw him off the bridge because of a bit of a slow start?

Let's be fair here. They were all-in before Sydney Rice threw them a curveball by deciding to have a surgury he should have had months before. And Favre held them hostage by also delaying a surgury he should have taken care of much sooner. Ok, they rolled the dice on Moss and it turned out he was a programattic non-fit . But with the offense struggling the way it was, they had to try SOMETHING. And is it Chilly's fault Jaren Allen apparently chose THIS year to go off the PEDs?

C'mon after all his accomplishments, you've got to give the guy a couple years. He's earned that much.

 

[SayWhat?]

I don't get the hate. Guy takes a team with Tavaris #######' Jackson at QB and leads them to a 10-6 records and NFC North title 2 years ago. Then just last year he's one Favre bonehead throw away from the Superbowl! Now we're going to throw him off the bridge because of a bit of a slow start? Let's be fair here. They were all-in before Sydney Rice threw them a curveball by deciding to have a surgury he should have had months before. And Favre held them hostage by also delaying a surgury he should have taken care of much sooner. Ok, they rolled the dice on Moss and it turned out he was a programattic non-fit . But with the offense struggling the way it was, they had to try SOMETHING. And is it Chilly's fault Jaren Allen apparently chose THIS year to go off the PEDs? C'mon after all his accomplishments, you've got to give the guy a couple years. He's earned that much.

Comical. Being that you're a Packer fan, I can understand why you'd defend Childress.

 

[Norseman]

I don't get the hate. Guy takes a team with Tavaris #######' Jackson at QB and leads them to a 10-6 records and NFC North title 2 years ago. Then just last year he's one Favre bonehead throw away from the Superbowl! Now we're going to throw him off the bridge because of a bit of a slow start? Let's be fair here. They were all-in before Sydney Rice threw them a curveball by deciding to have a surgury he should have had months before. And Favre held them hostage by also delaying a surgury he should have taken care of much sooner. Ok, they rolled the dice on Moss and it turned out he was a programattic non-fit . But with the offense struggling the way it was, they had to try SOMETHING. And is it Chilly's fault Jaren Allen apparently chose THIS year to go off the PEDs? C'mon after all his accomplishments, you've got to give the guy a couple years. He's earned that much.

Says the Packers fan He took a team that Mike Tice won 9 games with and won 6...and then 8 the next year. If he can't get a better record than Mike Tice, he doesn't need a couple more years.

 

[Jeremy]

I don't get the hate. Guy takes a team with Tavaris #######' Jackson at QB and leads them to a 10-6 records and NFC North title 2 years ago. Then just last year he's one Favre bonehead throw away from the Superbowl! Now we're going to throw him off the bridge because of a bit of a slow start? Let's be fair here. They were all-in before Sydney Rice threw them a curveball by deciding to have a surgury he should have had months before. And Favre held them hostage by also delaying a surgury he should have taken care of much sooner. Ok, they rolled the dice on Moss and it turned out he was a programattic non-fit . But with the offense struggling the way it was, they had to try SOMETHING. And is it Chilly's fault Jaren Allen apparently chose THIS year to go off the PEDs? C'mon after all his accomplishments, you've got to give the guy a couple years. He's earned that much.

Says the Packers fan He took a team that Mike Tice won 9 games with and won 6...and then 8 the next year. If he can't get a better record than Mike Tice, he doesn't need a couple more years.

Any time you change coaches you're going to go through a few growing pains. Players need to get acclimated to the new coaching staff. All the more reason not to change horses in mid stream now. The bottom line, since that first season, the team has gotten progressively better every year, culminating in just missing the superbowl last year. This year a few things don't bounce your way in the first half of the season, and you're going to throw out a coach that nearly took you to the promised land? Wow. And I thought Philly fans were harsh!

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't get the hate. Guy takes a team with Tavaris #######' Jackson at QB and leads them to a 10-6 records and NFC North title 2 years ago. Then just last year he's one Favre bonehead throw away from the Superbowl! Now we're going to throw him off the bridge because of a bit of a slow start? Let's be fair here. They were all-in before Sydney Rice threw them a curveball by deciding to have a surgury he should have had months before. And Favre held them hostage by also delaying a surgury he should have taken care of much sooner. Ok, they rolled the dice on Moss and it turned out he was a programattic non-fit . But with the offense struggling the way it was, they had to try SOMETHING. And is it Chilly's fault Jaren Allen apparently chose THIS year to go off the PEDs? C'mon after all his accomplishments, you've got to give the guy a couple years. He's earned that much.

Says the Packers fan He took a team that Mike Tice won 9 games with and won 6...and then 8 the next year. If he can't get a better record than Mike Tice, he doesn't need a couple more years.

Any time you change coaches you're going to go through a few growing pains. Players need to get acclimated to the new coaching staff. All the more reason not to change horses in mid stream now. The bottom line, since that first season, the team has gotten progressively better every year, culminating in just missing the superbowl last year. This year a few things don't bounce your way in the first half of the season, and you're going to throw out a coach that nearly took you to the promised land? Wow. And I thought Philly fans were harsh!

Hey, when you've got the Super Bowl tradition of Minnesota, nothing but excellence is acceptable. Now I'm just being mean, sorry.

 

[Clifford]

Man this must piss you guys off. Apparently you were very close to getting what you wanted

Report: Childress almost fired for Moss move

ESPN's Ed Werder reports that Vikings owner Zygi Wilf very nearly fired coach Brad Childress after Childress decided on his own to waive Randy Moss earlier this week.

Childress didn't even run it by the owner before making the announcement in a Monday morning team meeting. Wilf was reportedly "furious about being circumvented," and considered firing Childress and keeping Moss. Hence, the transaction being delayed until Tuesday. Wilf's team probably would've been better off with Childress gone, Leslie Frazier as head coach, and Randy Moss attracting double coverage down the sideline for the remainder of the season. It's unclear what convinced Wilf to keep Chilly around. Nov. 5 - 5:13 pm et

 

[gethugefast1]

Man this must piss you guys off. Apparently you were very close to getting what you wanted Report: Childress almost fired for Moss move ESPN's Ed Werder reports that Vikings owner Zygi Wilf very nearly fired coach Brad Childress after Childress decided on his own to waive Randy Moss earlier this week.Childress didn't even run it by the owner before making the announcement in a Monday morning team meeting. Wilf was reportedly "furious about being circumvented," and considered firing Childress and keeping Moss. Hence, the transaction being delayed until Tuesday. Wilf's team probably would've been better off with Childress gone, Leslie Frazier as head coach, and Randy Moss attracting double coverage down the sideline for the remainder of the season. It's unclear what convinced Wilf to keep Chilly around. Nov. 5 - 5:13 pm et

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