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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (5 Viewers)

ffmail4me said:
Did you guys see where Watson isn't talking to his team after they hired a new GM without talking to him at all? I think we should offer major draft capitol and Kerrigan in hopes of getting our franchise QB. Call me crazy but I'd give up an RG3 ransom to get him, as he's actually worth it! (I realize the Texans might not let him go but they are pretty stupid and traded away Nuk so who knows?) 
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Watson would be the dream target for this franchise, and I too would give up an absolute haul to get him. Unlikely to happen though, but doesn’t hurt to ask. Houston needs to rebuild so they would have no interest in Kerrigan. If I was offering a package of picks and players, I would consider adding Allen, for as good as he is, the team is most likely not going to be able to afford to resign all of those studs on the D Line. Allen is probably the odd man out. 

rockaction said:
BOB's gone in Houston. I'd forget any colossally dumb trades on their end for a little while. Especially of the Deshaun Watson variety. He had a season for the ages given what that team surrounded him with, and I don't think that at age 27, Houston can get a better franchise starter. Perhaps, but more than highly unlikely. I mean, he's a guy you keep even in total rebuild mode. 
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BOB is gone, but Houston still making knucklehead moves to alienate their best player.  I agree that he is young enough to rebuild around, and Houston won’t find a better QB. Only way this happens is if Watson demands a trade and forces his way out. Stranger things have happened, but I agree that it’s unlikely. It’s ultimately in his best interest to get out of there though as that franchise continues to waste his talents. Their cap is screwed and draft picks gone. They’ll probably let Fuller walk as well which will be another slap in the face.

 
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Johnny Utah #9 said:
Only way this happens is if Watson demands a trade and forces his way out.

It’s ultimately in his best interest to get out of there though as that franchise continues to waste his talents. Their cap is screwed and draft picks gone. They’ll probably let Fuller walk as well which will be another slap in the face.
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Probably so on the latter. You won't get a quibble from me about that. I'm just thinking, if you're the organization, what incentive on earth do you have to deal him unless he does indeed force a trade?

I just don't see that happening, though if he was that mad he wasn't consulted about the GM gig, then...who knows?

But come to think of it, I'm not sure how thrilled one can be that he complained about not being consulted. He gets paid to play, not to make personnel decisions like an owner. He's not at a LeBron level yet, though people have argued he had one of the best statistical years in history given the sorry state of the Texans. I think Football Perspective tweeted out comparisons, and his were impressive. But again, not at owner/GM level yet. I get you want your star players to be happy and want input from them about personnel decisions on the field, but GM seems like a bridge too far.

But I'm just spitballing and this is the WFT thread.

By the way, I was writing in the playoff thread that of all the supposed potential offensive juggernauts WFT could have played in the playoffs, they're probably happy to be going against Tampa with your DL. I think it'll be lower scoring than people think. I'm not sure I have WFT winning, but I'm imagining a hard-fought game so long as the offense doesn't implode field-position and turnover-wise. Captain Checkdown might be all the doctor can prescribe for Saturday night, which is another benefit and boon to a defensive team. Getting a team that rarely sees under forty degrees to go to D.C. in January is nice. So aren't five and seven-step drops for players looking to get to the QB. That's my two cents. Watch them get wiped 38-17 or something like that.

 
rockaction said:
Probably so on the latter. You won't get a quibble from me about that. I'm just thinking, if you're the organization, what incentive on earth do you have to deal him unless he does indeed force a trade?

I just don't see that happening, though if he was that mad he wasn't consulted about the GM gig, then...who knows?

But come to think of it, I'm not sure how thrilled one can be that he complained about not being consulted. He gets paid to play, not to make personnel decisions like an owner. He's not at a LeBron level yet, though people have argued he had one of the best statistical years in history given the sorry state of the Texans. I think Football Perspective tweeted out comparisons, and his were impressive. But again, not at owner/GM level yet. I get you want your star players to be happy and want input from them about personnel decisions on the field, but GM seems like a bridge too far.

But I'm just spitballing and this is the WFT thread.

By the way, I was writing in the playoff thread that of all the supposed potential offensive juggernauts WFT could have played in the playoffs, they're probably happy to be going against Tampa with your DL. I think it'll be lower scoring than people think. I'm not sure I have WFT winning, but I'm imagining a hard-fought game so long as the offense doesn't implode field-position and turnover-wise. Captain Checkdown might be all the doctor can prescribe for Saturday night, which is another benefit and boon to a defensive team. Getting a team that rarely sees under forty degrees to go to D.C. in January is nice. So aren't five and seven-step drops for players looking to get to the QB. That's my two cents. Watch them get wiped 38-17 or something like that.
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Definitely no incentive for Houston to trade him, besides recover some of the draft capital that BOB squandered if they going for a total rebuild. But they would take like a 22 mil cap hit dealing him as well so I don’t see it unless Watson makes the situation untenable. I think his main complaint is he wasn’t consulted even after being told he would have been. It seems like this is just a further compounding of disappointments for him that occurred under BOB. I’m guessing the Houston owner is just terrible all around and adding to the frustration for Watson. I mean, the owner has to be clueless if he kept BOB around for that long and let him turn his franchise into a dumpster fire on the draft assets front. 
And I agree with your Tampa-WFT take. This defense definitely fits the prototype of one that would give Brady problems. I think it will be lower scoring as well. I only wish Terry, Gibson, and Alex were healthier. If all three were close to 100% healthy (or however “healthy” is defined for Smith these days) I would like their chances for an upset. But Terry (HAS) and Gibson (turf toe) are clearly just gutting through it at this point. And Alex is of course compromised. I think/hope they will keep it competitive, but they will need a score (or two) from the defense and some short fields pull off the upset.

 
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PinkydaPimp said:
That’s good.  If Alex looks banged up heineke will be ready
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Agreed...Alex experienced and savvy enough that he's probably picking up what he needs watching and in walk throughs.

Beyond that, it sounds like Smith is further behind this week vs. what he was last, which is really concerning in the sense that he only really made it one half last week.  I am thinking the smart thing is to start  Heineke.  I imagine Rivera will start Smith if he can put i just don't like it with Bucs pass rush and their penchant for excessive blitzing.  He's gonna be a sitting duck and it's not the best match up for a one legged QB.  I love Smith but I say roll w the beer man.

 
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Re: Watson, I would love him on our team but I'm hearing that Houston would want multiple number 1s.  I'm not sure I would do that.  We still have a lot of needs.  I don't think we can trade Kerrigan at this point; he's a FA and we're already going to lose him.  If we trade someone else off our DL, like Allen, that's two players off of the one thing that is making us competitive at this point...I dunno.  It's too bad this didn't come up last year and we could have packaged Kerrigan and a number 1 since he's the odd man out anyways with the emergence of Sweat and Young.  

I wonder what it would cost to get an older QB who would be good enough with our defense intact -- Stafford for instance.  

I just don't like the idea of a team with so many needs giving up a haul.  We still need a lot -- OL and WR for instance.  Maybe I'm being too cautious I dunno....

 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/07/sean-taylor-clinton-portis-washington-playoffs-tampa-bay/

Not predicting victory but it's fun to think about the last time WFT won a playoff game:

1. vs. Tampa

2. Game manager QB who didn't throw a TD or even move the ball to any degree. (Brunnell)

3.  Standout defensive performance including a defensive score lead by a dynamic young player (Taylor)

Come on, the storyline is too perfect.  

And Bonus points - the opposing coach was a Gruden!  🤣

 
MikeApf said:
Agreed...Alex experienced and savvy enough that he's probably picking up what he needs watching and in walk throughs.

Beyond that, it sounds like Smith is further behind this week vs. what he was last, which is really concerning in the sense that he only really made it one half last week.  I am thinking the smart thing is to start  Heineke.  I imagine Rivera will start Smith if he can put i just don't like it with Bucs pass rush and their penchant for excessive blitzing.  He's gonna be a sitting duck and it's not the best match up for a one legged QB.  I love Smith but I say roll w the beer man.
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I agree with you here. If Smith is behind where he was at this time last week (which appears to be the case) things could get ugly fast if he’s thrown out there vs this blitz happy Tampa D. As I said earlier in the week, if Ron goes with Alex I hope he has a quick hook if/when Smith gets into trouble. You can’t afford to wait vs Brady.

MikeApf said:
Re: Watson, I would love him on our team but I'm hearing that Houston would want multiple number 1s.  I'm not sure I would do that.  We still have a lot of needs.  I don't think we can trade Kerrigan at this point; he's a FA and we're already going to lose him.  If we trade someone else off our DL, like Allen, that's two players off of the one thing that is making us competitive at this point...I dunno.  It's too bad this didn't come up last year and we could have packaged Kerrigan and a number 1 since he's the odd man out anyways with the emergence of Sweat and Young.  

I wonder what it would cost to get an older QB who would be good enough with our defense intact -- Stafford for instance.  

I just don't like the idea of a team with so many needs giving up a haul.  We still need a lot -- OL and WR for instance.  Maybe I'm being too cautious I dunno....
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This is probably all moot since I can’t see Houston dealing him, but I would go all in on him if available. The reason I suggested Allen as part of the package is he would be represent a 1st round value (in place of a future pick for us) and be an anchor they could rebuild their D line around. Of course I would love to keep Allen, but  realistically it will be tough paying all 4 of these guys in the future (and extending Terry, etc). We are fortunate to have an embarrassment of riches at the D line position and I think a combination of Ioannidis and Settle could fill in that Allen spot if needed. I’m not looking to give Allen away of course, but if it resulted in getting Watson I make that deal.

 
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MikeApf said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/07/sean-taylor-clinton-portis-washington-playoffs-tampa-bay/

Not predicting victory but it's fun to think about the last time WFT won a playoff game:

1. vs. Tampa

2. Game manager QB who didn't throw a TD or even move the ball to any degree. (Brunnell)

3.  Standout defensive performance including a defensive score lead by a dynamic young player (Taylor)

Come on, the storyline is too perfect.  

And Bonus points - the opposing coach was a Gruden!  🤣
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i was at that game.  ahh memories.

 
Looks like Mike Evans is playing. Will probably be limited, but the guy has been playing hurt all year and still done major damage. I was hoping he would sit this one out. Would have helped out red zone defense quite a bit if he was out and we could focus on Gronk. 

 
Johnny Utah #9 said:
Looks like Mike Evans is playing. Will probably be limited, but the guy has been playing hurt all year and still done major damage. I was hoping he would sit this one out. Would have helped out red zone defense quite a bit if he was out and we could focus on Gronk. 
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i have a feeling Brady is going to go off. Sadly. 

 
Let's just call him Heineken.  Easier. 

Gotta say, I think Heineken's legs may give them a SLIM chance.  Like really SLIM.  But legs are something Smith and Haskins lacked.  Keeping plays alive to make a downfield throw.  Beer can do that.   Plus there's little chance TB planned for Heineken.  That's a big deal.

Kick back and enjoy a WFT playoff game for once.

 
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Movie night with the wife, so won't see the game. I'm not sure I'm disappointed. I can tape it in watch if it they win. But I really doubt I'll have to worry about it. It may just be being beaten down so long, but I have little faith in  any chance of winning tonight.

 
who is Heinekens backup tonight?  The kid isnt terrible.  at the very least he should be a solid backup?  and knows the system. 

 
WTF is this “Maroon 4” cringe garbage?!? As I said last week when Al trotted out this beyond cringeworthy nickname, this a complete NBC nickname push here. I have NEVER heard anyone in the DC area (fans or media) refer to this defensive line with this ridiculous name. This is purely just the coke addled idea of some NBC producer. It’s just terrible. 

 
I'd almost rather take a stud WR (if one falls to us) in the 1st over reaching for a QB after seeing this kid play tonight. 

 
Proud of this team tonight. Showed a ton of heart out there. Heinecke played exceptionally and definitely earned a spot on this team next year. Assuming Alex hopefully retires, bring back Heinecke and resign Allen. I still want them to bring in a Vet QB either through a trade or FA. I would still be targeting Stafford, but we’ll see if he’s available. As for the draft, I wouldn’t reach for a QB early. Take BPA at 19. If it happens to be a WR, LB, or OT, even better.

 

 
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I am quite impressed with Heinicke.  He played better than Haskins did in any of his starts.

If Smith retires, I could see them going with Heinicke, Allen, and a rookie qb next year.

 
Obviously would have liked the win, but really proud of how this team came out and competed.  Heinecke a tremendous surprise and makes the decision at QB much more complex.  Definitely don’t see the need to draft one at 19, where OL or WR would be a better pick anyways.  Question is whether we’ve seen enough of Heinicke to have him and Allen compete for the starters job next year or do you trade draft capital for someone like Stafford.  It will be an interesting offseason.  But I like Heinicke s game.  He’s a baller...has an intangible that is really compelling.

 
I’d rather heineke, a vet and a rookie(2nd, 3rd round) personally.  Just don’t think Allen adds much.  I hope Alex is brought back as a coach.  
 

build the d and oline, get a wr so when we actually get a qb they have a chance.  

 
dgreen said:
In a QB-starved league, someone will make Heinicke a nice offer. 
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Yea.  Honestly stepping up in big games is a quality that’s hard to find.  I’d like to see more.  He knows the offense too.  Just needs time and chemistry.  Who knows what his upside is.  Can likely be had fairly cheap too.

 
PinkydaPimp said:
I’d rather heineke, a vet and a rookie(2nd, 3rd round) personally.  Just don’t think Allen adds much.  I hope Alex is brought back as a coach.  
 

build the d and oline, get a wr so when we actually get a qb they have a chance.  
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I agree with you on Allen. I’m not impressed with him either. I just think realistically it’s almost a lock that Ron brings him back. He gave up draft capital to get him, always speaks highly of him, and there will be no other takers for him in FA. I agree that I would prefer a Heineke, Vet, rookie combo, I just think this is highly unlikely. I think it will come down to either a vet or a rookie to make up that 3rd member of the QB room.

 
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dgreen said:
In a QB-starved league, someone will make Heinicke a nice offer. 
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I don’t know. It’s still a very small sample size. I don’t see many teams beating down the door for him. The guy was out of football a month ago. I think we definitely should and will bring him back, but I don’t anticipate a ton of competition for his services.

 
Heinicke looked fun, but if you can get Watson somehow for a 1st rounder, you should def do that. I don't think they'll get multiple firsts....

 
babydemon90 said:
Heinicke looked fun, but if you can get Watson somehow for a 1st rounder, you should def do that. I don't think they'll get multiple firsts....
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A box safety pulled multiple 1sts this offseason. Watson would take three, and more on top of them. He’s the rarest commodity in football—a young prime franchise QB who has gotten better every year who has cheat code legs. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
A box safety pulled multiple 1sts this offseason. Watson would take three, and more on top of them. He’s the rarest commodity in football—a young prime franchise QB who has gotten better every year who has cheat code legs. 
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Why are they trading him anyway?  Seems odd. If you have that why get rid of that?

 
Heinicke earned my respect and trust last night. Bring him back and let him compete for the job. That was a fun game to watch (with no expectations). 
 

I am against trading for Watson. Draft OL and WR. 

 
Only saw a few highlights but I see Brady hung 380 yards, and the TDs I saw were once again cases were the DBs were hardly in the shot. Was the defense as bas a the stats made it look? Was Chase Young even in the game? His stats were anemic.

 
TBs OL did a good job protecting Brady and gave him plenty of time. They also did a good job containing Young on the outside. Young got close many times, just not close enough. 

 
avoiding injuries said:
TBs OL did a good job protecting Brady and gave him plenty of time. They also did a good job containing Young on the outside. Young got close many times, just not close enough. 
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TB offense looked really good.  Their OL handled the pass rush quite well.  Brady made the correct reads all day long and for the most part, threw accurate passes.  And they are loaded with players in the skill positions.  Chris Godwin actually had a pretty bad day with 3 drops, which really hurt a number of TB drives.

 
DallasDMac said:
Only saw a few highlights but I see Brady hung 380 yards, and the TDs I saw were once again cases were the DBs were hardly in the shot. Was the defense as bas a the stats made it look? Was Chase Young even in the game? His stats were anemic.
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He was double teamed and held on several occasions. Not trying to take anything away from the Bucs, they are a more complete team without a doubt, but I swear our d-line got held  a dozen times and it wasn't called. 

 
Marvelous said:
TB offense looked really good.  Their OL handled the pass rush quite well.  Brady made the correct reads all day long and for the most part, threw accurate passes.  And they are loaded with players in the skill positions.  Chris Godwin actually had a pretty bad day with 3 drops, which really hurt a number of TB drives.
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This.  Honestly we played the goat and he was excellent.  We would have needed a better secondary and more pressure to slow him down.  
 

the team played well considering they lost imo. I expected a blowout and started a bunch of bucs in dfs. :shrug:   Lots to look forward to and improve on though.

 
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D is still not there.  Team needs LBs.  Especially a MLB.  Jon Bostic is not good.  He wasn't strong enough against the run and he wasn't fast enough against the pass.  So other teams run at will, making del rio have to scheme to stop the run, leaving the secondary exposed and forcing Allen and Payne to do too much.  The LBs aren't filling the right run gaps, they aren't good in coverage, and they get pushed around.  Holcomb is decent, but nobody else is even average.

Heincike and Allen can be solid backups.  But once teams scheme for them, I think they'd still be below average QBs.  Need a QB with feet.  If Heinicke was a pocket passer, he would have been sacked many times.  He showed what a mobile QB can do for an offense.  And i think they need another TE or WR.  Anything to give them another possession and goal line receiving option.  But some good adds this year ... Gibson, Young, Curl.

Overall the team looked better - a well run team that simply lacks enough talent.  You can see a future where they continue to improve.

 
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