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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (2 Viewers)

MikeApf said:
Agreed.  Good to add more bodies.  As Fatness aludes too, note that we are adding some tall receivers..believe Quick is 6-3.  I do agree they are looking to improve redzone performance.  While I also am wary of "Fade Gate" we should also keep in mind that size can help you in the redzone in non-fade patterns as well.
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Also...hope this maybe lessens the chance they take a WR in first round and are targeting D Line or LB instead...

 
From Twitter:

Watched a Brian Quick highlight reel on YouTube. Its was 1:40 long. literally 40 seconds was him running out tunnels. LOL

 
I shudder to think that I'm likely correct about how Bruce confirmed this decision in his own mind: "A Wide Receiver, and his last name is 'Quick', so..."

Now, hold on Bruce - by that logic, Lake Speed ought to be a pretty good racer, right?

"Lake Speed! I remember that guy! Great name! Helluva driver, right?"

One win in 402 career starts, Bruce...

 
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Seattle signs OLB Terence Garvin...sure the guy was always banged up, but if the Seahawks are willing to pay him...

...wait, I sound like Bruce...hmm... :unsure:

 
nittanylion said:
I shudder to think that I'm likely correct about how Bruce confirmed this decision in his own mind: "A Wide Receiver, and his last name is 'Quick', so..."

Now, hold on Bruce - by that logic, Lake Speed ought to be a pretty good racer, right?

"Lake Speed! I remember that guy! Great name! Helluva driver, right?"

One win in 402 career starts, Bruce...
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It's a lock that Bruce came up with the proposal to get rid of "Color Rush Unis"
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/23/dan-snyder-wants-to-be-able-to-opt-out-of-color-rush/

Dan:  "Bruce, we need to involve ourselves in the rules discussion in some substantial way, to help our team win games."

Bruce:  "You know, boss...I hate those Color Rush unis I have some designs on a napkin here for a better design."

Winning off the field...

 
As long as we have Bruce we'll always have those yellow pants.

I hate those damn yellow pants. I hear the players do, too, and have lobbied to wear white, to no avail.

:sigh:

 
nittanylion said:
I shudder to think that I'm likely correct about how Bruce confirmed this decision in his own mind: "A Wide Receiver, and his last name is 'Quick', so..."

Now, hold on Bruce - by that logic, Lake Speed ought to be a pretty good racer, right?

"Lake Speed! I remember that guy! Great name! Helluva driver, right?"

One win in 402 career starts, Bruce...
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:lol:

 
The pants would be fine if they weren't a McDonald's yellow. They're not even our colors.

Now, in addition to being a bad color, fans are suffering from fatigue with them after so many bad memories in those pants during Allen's tenure. People just want something fresh I think.

Me personally, I liked the all white and all burgundy get-ups, and of course the standard white on burgundy, we had under Gibbs and maybe Zorn.

 
dgreen said:
From Twitter:

Watched a Brian Quick highlight reel on YouTube. Its was 1:40 long. literally 40 seconds was him running out tunnels. LOL
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Well, it was a highlight because he was healthy enough to suit up and run down a tunnel. Gotta crawl before you can walk.

Honestly though I don't think it was a bad signing IF he's competing for a roster spot with a late round rookie and he's not being counted on as a regular contributor. But I guess when you factor in the health of Reed/Doctson and the age of Davis, those "depth" pass catching spots could end up being very important.

 
nittanylion said:
I shudder to think that I'm likely correct about how Bruce confirmed this decision in his own mind: "A Wide Receiver, and his last name is 'Quick', so..."

Now, hold on Bruce - by that logic, Lake Speed ought to be a pretty good racer, right?

"Lake Speed! I remember that guy! Great name! Helluva driver, right?"

One win in 402 career starts, Bruce...
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:shrug:

It's not a bad signing.  Looks like a depth move more than anything else, don't think they've released the details of the contract either so that should certainly factor in before you simply bash the signing because you hate Bruce Allen.

 
thayman said:
that should certainly factor in before you simply bash the signing because you hate Bruce Allen.
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Well, in his defense, Allen is SUPER easy to hate. And sucks at what he does. So, if I were forced to bet blindly on whether anything Allen does is going to turn out good or bad, I know which way I'd hedge my bet.

 
fatness said:
My wife, listening to Cooley & Sheehan this morning: "Oh, Cooley and Kirk Cousins are having a baby?" :lol:
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I tuned in for a moment, turned it off when Cooley was talking about the reason why Cousins threw a fade to Jackson in the Giants(?) and missed a wide open Crowder on the otherside is because Jackson "must have been begging for the throw"

Cooley is such a f-ing tool.

 
DallasDMac said:
Well, in his defense, Allen is SUPER easy to hate. And sucks at what he does. So, if I were forced to bet blindly on whether anything Allen does is going to turn out good or bad, I know which way I'd hedge my bet.
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He's been decent in bringing an attitude of responsible cap management to the team which is good.  I was a huge McCloughan fan but there has to be something else to that story, it still makes no sense to can your GM when they did it.

 
thayman said:
He's been decent in bringing an attitude of responsible cap management to the team which is good.  I was a huge McCloughan fan but there has to be something else to that story, it still makes no sense to can your GM when they did it.
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It makes sense if you believe, like I do and like several of us did at the time, that Allen was forced to bring in a GM to replace himself in that function.

The guy wanted his job back, so screw the new guy. And losing the Giants game at the end of the season finally created enough disappointment that he could can him.

 
fatness said:
It makes sense if you believe, like I do and like several of us did at the time, that Allen was forced to bring in a GM to replace himself in that function.

The guy wanted his job back, so screw the new guy. And losing the Giants game at the end of the season finally created enough disappointment that he could can him.
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That's where my head was.  But if that was the case wouldn't the team look to part ways either immediately following the season or wait until after the opening of Free Agency?  

I still think it's a Snyder/Allen thing but there must be something else we don't know.  I look forward to hearing how insane the situation was in a couple of years when they finally start talking about it.

 
thayman said:
 I look forward to hearing how insane the situation was in a couple of years when they finally start talking about it.
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So do I. It might be awhile, though, since they'll be in court with McCloughan for awhile over money they do or do not owe him.

 
So there's this:

McCloughan spoke in a phone call Wednesday with Michael Robinson, a former Seattle Seahawks player and Richmond native. Robinson was signed by McCloughan in Seattle, and the two maintain a good relationship.
Robinson relayed the details of the conversation on Thursday morning on "The Wes McElroy Show" on Fox Sports 910.
Robinson said McCloughan felt his firing from the Redskins was "a pride thing" on the part of team president Bruce Allen.
"He knew the players loved him, and he started feeling the hate from Bruce Allen right around, well, he’s been feeling it, but when they didn’t let him speak (to reporters) at the Senior Bowl, he said to him that was his last straw, and he knew that he was on his way out," Robinson said on McElroy's show. "He said it was after a draft meeting, after the combine, Bruce called him up to his office and was just like, ‘Nobody likes you in this building. Nobody wants you here.’ And Scot was like, 'Well, I guess I’m out of here.'"
The Redskins fired McCloughan exactly three weeks ago. At the time, an anonymous team official told the Washington Post that the firing was the result of McCloughan's struggles with alcohol.
Robinson said in his conversation, McCloughan told him that wasn't the reason.
"He said, 'Mike, I don’t have an issue right now drinking,'" Robinson said. "'I haven’t touched a drink in a while. But of course they wouldn’t let me say it because they silenced me.'"
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fatness said:
So there's this:
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Always amusing.  So this is how blind Allen is..

“I thought it was the right thing to do for where we were at the time,” Allen said. “We wanted to give clarity to our free agents and to our staff of where we were going. For Scot, it was good timing because it allows him to be hired by anyone right now before this draft."

Yes Bruce.  Great timing for Scot.  I'm sure that was high on your priority list.  Lot's of teams looking to hire personnel director or a GM a month before the draft.  And I'm sure that hiring would void whatever he was owed

It's an oxymoron to say the Skins even have management. They only have spin doctors.  The only way to make Danny change anything is empty seats.  70,000 of them.

 
nittanylion said:
You Bruce Allen apologists can all go take a flying leap. #### Bruce.
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Who apologizes for him?  I think pretty much everyone here thinks he's a miserable at evaluating talent/managing the roster.  I'll give him credit for managing the cap rather well but that's about it.

 
Looks like we signed Zach Brown. Huge get for this defense, hopefully pushes Compton off the field (possibly off the roster, he can still be signed away). This dude can run sideline to sideline with RB's and TE's, complements Foster at ILB perfectly. Hoping its a multi-year deal, rather than another 1 year like Pryor. Having both Brown and Cravens on the field every snap is going to improve the speed and athleticism of our defense big time. Now we need interior DL and edge rusher in the draft.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Looks like we signed Zach Brown. Huge get for this defense, hopefully pushes Compton off the field (possibly off the roster, he can still be signed away). This dude can run sideline to sideline with RB's and TE's, complements Foster at ILB perfectly. Hoping its a multi-year deal, rather than another 1 year like Pryor. Having both Brown and Cravens on the field every snap is going to improve the speed and athleticism of our defense big time. Now we need interior DL and edge rusher in the draft.
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That's great news. It's on CSNWashington now.

I agree with needing interior D-linemen, and I also think we're going to have trouble at safety. I cannot picture Cravens picking up a receiver after a CB drops him off in zone coverage, and successfully continuing to cover that receiver. And Swearinger has had his problems with pass coverage as well. I can picture both of them reminding us of Reed Doughty during the season, not because of ability but because they're running behind a receiver with the ball.

Really happy about Zach Brown, though, even if it is a 1-year deal. :thumbup:

 
fatness said:
That's great news. It's on CSNWashington now.

I agree with needing interior D-linemen, and I also think we're going to have trouble at safety. I cannot picture Cravens picking up a receiver after a CB drops him off in zone coverage, and successfully continuing to cover that receiver. And Swearinger has had his problems with pass coverage as well. I can picture both of them reminding us of Reed Doughty during the season, not because of ability but because they're running behind a receiver with the ball.

Really happy about Zach Brown, though, even if it is a 1-year deal. :thumbup:
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Great signing.  Yes, I read that it is a one year deal.

I agree with everyone here that it's good to see the team adding pieces.  Honestly, despite all the mis-management around the QB signing and the GM-firing, the Redskins have not had a bad offseason in terms of Free Agent signings.  WIth the pieces they have added, they have set themselves up to fill final holes in the draft and *could* be competitive in the upcoming season.

The real question with all these one year signings (Cousins, Pryor, Brown) is what is the plan next offseason when the price tag goes up.  Everyone on board for one year is doing so explicitly with the idea of proving themselves and getting paid down the line.  Do we have a financial strategy for these players past this year.  One year signings definitely make sense if you are in contention for the Super Bowl that year, but what about if you are "building toward that goal"...you have to layer in a strategy to retain those players who are an integral part of your success.

I'm guardedly optimistic about the players being added but would also like to see what this next level strategy is.

If they had made more of an effort to sign Cousins at this point, then I'd feel more confident that there *was* as strategy but at this point I'm just more in "wait and see" mode on that...

 
MikeApf said:
The real question with all these one year signings (Cousins, Pryor, Brown) is what is the plan next offseason when the price tag goes up.  Everyone on board for one year is doing so explicitly with the idea of proving themselves and getting paid down the line.  Do we have a financial strategy for these players past this year.  One year signings definitely make sense if you are in contention for the Super Bowl that year, but what about if you are "building toward that goal"...you have to layer in a strategy to retain those players who are an integral part of your success.
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This. Guys are coming here for a year so they can go elsewhere and get paid. This isn't much in the way of a "solid build for the future" system.

 
DallasDMac said:
This. Guys are coming here for a year so they can go elsewhere and get paid. This isn't much in the way of a "solid build for the future" system.
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I think it's more they have a total unknown in the Cousins contract.  Which could be either $0 per year or $26M per year.  It hampers their cap space management until they get that nailed down.  1 year deals make sense for both sides.

I think some of the agents for younger players are also plotting out the 2020 end of CBA.  Most contracts are 3 years.  Better to prove it in 1 year now, and get the bigger contract in 2018--2020, than to do a 3 year 2017-2019 deal, then kind of be in no mans land in 2020.

 
I really like the Pryor and Brown signings, and I mostly like the Swearinger signing. Pryor and Brown are young and already good, and are both going to get better. If the team's schemes offensively and defensively don't negate their talents, they should both have very good years. If the team behaves like a functional NFL team as well, I think there's a good chance of a longer-term deal with each of them. I'd rather have them for 1 year with a good chance at more than not have them at all.

Swearinger is just needed, and better than anyone the Skins had at safety this year. I think he'd be better playing strong safety but so would Cravens, so that leaves Swearinger as the free safety. If the Skins don't greatly bolster the defensive line through the draft (or othr free agent signing) the safeties are going to look bad in pass coverage too often. A stout pass rush, especially one that collapses the pocket in the middle, can cover up a lot of secondary weaknesses.

I think Cousins will play for the Skins this year. I don't think he will next year. Mostly I'm tired of hearing about him. There are other players on this team.

 
Brunell4MVP said:
I think it's more they have a total unknown in the Cousins contract.  Which could be either $0 per year or $26M per year.  It hampers their cap space management until they get that nailed down.  1 year deals make sense for both sides.

I think some of the agents for younger players are also plotting out the 2020 end of CBA.  Most contracts are 3 years.  Better to prove it in 1 year now, and get the bigger contract in 2018--2020, than to do a 3 year 2017-2019 deal, then kind of be in no mans land in 2020.
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This is nonsense. You're saying they prefer a 1 year deal now, then a 3 year deal after that, rather than 3 year now and possibly a 1 year later? You do realize this is football, where a bad concussion or knee injury ends your career, right? They would take a 3 year deal all day long and not worry a bit about the CBA ending 4 years down the line.

 
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/04/11/redskins-must-decide-cousins-fate/

Rick Snider makes a good point.  April 27 is the real "D-Day" for Cousins signing or trade.  July 15 is nonsense.  Sign or trade by draft or that IS the worst scenario.

I'm trying to give the FO the benefit of the doubt here but am losing confidence.

I think Snider is right you just have to realize you f'd up, back up the Brinks truck, and be done with it.  The fact that we haven't done so yet speaks volumes.  Cousins is not going to change his stance between now and July 15 so it's up to the team to initiate resolution one way or the other on this.

 
I don't know that any other team will offer Cousins $25/million a year and $80 million guaranteed or whatever numbers he wants.  I don't know why the Redskins need to do so.

His agent should be commended, however, for getting almost the entire DMV sports media convinced that that is the "going rate" for Cousins.

 
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fatness said:
I don't know that any other team will offer Cousins $25/million a year and $80 million guaranteed or whatever numbers he wants.  I don't know why the Redskins need to do so.

His agent should be commended, however, for getting almost the entire DMV sports media convinced that that is the "going rate" for Cousins.
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I have a feeling that we're going to find out what the market will pay in 2018...but remember, all it takes for a big contract is one team...

 
fatness said:
I don't know that any other team will offer Cousins $25/million a year and $80 million guaranteed or whatever numbers he wants.  I don't know why the Redskins need to do so.

His agent should be commended, however, for getting almost the entire DMV sports media convinced that that is the "going rate" for Cousins.
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I guess it all comes down to how he plays. If he plays close to the level he played at last year he will get $25mil/season for sure in 2018.

The salary cap has jumped from $123m, to $133m, to $143m, to $155m, to $167m this season. I don't see how the salary cap is less than $179m in 2018 and the NFL already had teams that were hovering around $100m under the salary cap THIS YEAR. And those teams(CLE, SF) still haven't solved their QB issues. This is not an Osweiler/Glennon situation where you are working off a partial NFL resume at this point. You are talking about a legitimate better than average NFL starter with a track record.

On top of that issue there are just a TON of older starting NFL QB right now. Starters in the 35+ club this season will include Brady, Brees, Palmer, Eli, Big Ben, Rivers, and McCown. Starters in the 30+ club will include Smith, Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan, and Hoyer. That's nearly half the league. I'm sure several people will point out that 30 isn't that old in QB years but keep in mind most these guys have already made more money than they can spend and they will be CHOOSING whether to play or not. I've always been a realist when it came to Jay Cutler and his ability but if you would have told me two years ago he would rather just retire rather than hold a clipboard for ~$7mil I would have been shocked..... and still am. Now throw in the fact some of these younger starters in the league may not pan out(Goff, Taylor, Kessler, Glennon, Siemian, Savage, Bridgewater) and you have a league with more guys going out than are ready to come in and replace them in a small window. I'm not seeing many of the rookie QB prospects that are ready to take starting jobs in the next 12 months. Certainly not enough to meet the need. The demand will be there, even if Cousins doesn't win a playoff game in 2017.

I'm not saying any of this to point out WAS mismanaged the Cousins contract situation. The whole "Cousins made $44mil over TWO YEARS, ZOIKS!@#$$" is WAY overblown imo. Paying $22mil/season for pro-bowlish level of QB is not that big a deal. In fact it's going to look cheap moving forward in the NFL. If WAS genuinely doesn't think Cousins is the guy that can ultimately win a SB then they should move forward without him... I have no problem with that stance. A lot of people think KC is kidding themselves with Smith right now. But I just think it's a mistake to think that Cousins is asking for $ above his market value. Simply baseline QB play in the NFL is going to be very, very expensive moving forward and Cousins has played better than baseline lately.

 
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