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For that matter, what if they pass on Maurice Hurst because they already took an interior DLman in the top half of the 1st? That would be brutal. I know he has a heart question but at some point if you are getting a top-10 talent in the second round the possible payoff is worth the risk. Or at least would have been.

 
Have to give them credit for trading down and still picking up Guice though. Smart trade down.... now they need to use the shiny new third rounder on a DB.

 
Have to give them credit for trading down and still picking up Guice though. Smart trade down.... now they need to use the shiny new third rounder on a DB.
Great value and move if that's their guy. I just think RBs are a luxury position right now and the Redskins have no room for luxury. Plus as much as I've been disappointed in their run game I think they owed Kelley and Perrine one more year to see what they've got. Oh, and Thompson is set as the 3rd down /change up. 

 
Payne will be a solid, good player and will be on the field a lot. The only other D-lineman we have as good as him is Allen. Lining those 2 up next to each other will create some problems for other teams.

Really liked the trade down. Actually I hated it, thinking that it would result in a lower-quality pick in the second. Getting Guice there changed my mind.

Not sure why they went tackle in the 3rd round but it seems like they got a quality O-lineman which you can never have enough of. The usual "Nseke to guard" talk has started but he won't be good at guard even if he makes that move. He's a tackle that would start for a number of teams.

Today I want at least 1 guard, 1 DB, and a TE who can catch and block.

 
The pick is in. The pick is in. The pick is in. The pick is in. The pick is in. The pick is in. The pick is in. The pick is in. The pick is in.

How to get Sebowski drunk before noon.

 
And so it begins

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Gruden also said that Geron Christian will stay at tackle and provide depth at the position. Also says that Ty Nsekhe will "compete" at guard some this offseason.

6:55 PM - 27 Apr 2018
I think the Redskins are thinking badly about this. Go back to when Scherff was drafted. Most NFL scouts projected him being and NFL guard but Gruden insisted after the draft that he was going to play tackle. Then in training camp Scherff was so bad at tackle that the O-line staff insisted on switching him to guard, which they did early on and which got great results. He's a really good guard.

That doesn't mean "hey, this guy is a tackle so we'll switch him to guard" is going to work for any other player, though. Right now their plan is to try Nsekhe at guard, which ain't going to work, and if all else fails re-sign Lauvao. They've had years to work on improving left guard, resulting in letting Spencer Long go and using Lauvao. It's like they're allergic to trying to get good guards, unless it's by accident (Scherff).

It's also like they're allergic to having tight ends who block effectively. Adding a potentially-very-good RB does not give the team a good running game. Without a good LG they're not going to have one. And even if they have a good LG, putting a team on the field without a good blocking TE means that at the start of every running play the blockers are outnumbered. How many times last year did an opponent stop a running play due to a TE missing a block? A lot.

Wow, it's not even noon and I'm ranting. The pick is in.

 
http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/36300

Round 1, No. 13 overall: Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama

My take

: For the first time in franchise history, the Redskins have used back-to-back first-round picks on a defensive lineman. Da'Ron Payne will join his former Alabama teammate Jonathan Allen along the Redskins’ front. They needed a boost up front; players and coaches talked about this even before last season ended. The Redskins received good production from Allen and Matt Ioannidis in 2017, but the former only played five games and the latter was hurt for a good part of the season. The run defense suffered. Adding Payne gives the Redskins the necessary depth to withstand a brutal injury. Considering they’ll face running backs Saquon Barkley and Ezekiel Elliott a total of four times a season, having that depth up front will help.

Investing in defense: The Redskins understand they need to improve their defense. Including Payne, the Redskins have drafted seven defensive players in the first four rounds since 2016; they’ve selected two offensive players in the same rounds during that time. The problem is, of those six picks prior to Payne, only one is projected to start this season: Allen. Payne clearly will play a key role and, considering he was the 13th pick, should become an immediate starter. But they also should get more contributions from two high picks last year: second-round linebacker Ryan Anderson and corner Fabian Moreau. If that’s the case, then the Redskins will have their best young group of defenders in a long time.

The question mark: With Payne, it's his pass-rush ability. Some teams did not think he would become more than a two-down player. He only had three sacks and five tackles for a loss at Alabama. But the Redskins think he can help versus the pass. If that’s the case, then he should be an excellent pick. If not, they would have passed on every-down players such as safety Derwin James. But Payne did finish strong as a pass-rusher for Alabama, with an excellent showing inside against Georgia in the national championship game.

“He’s not just a run stopper. I know he didn’t have a lot of sacks, but he can disrupt the passing game," Redskins coach Jay Gruden said. "If you watched him against Georgia, you might say he’s the best defensive lineman in football. He was very disruptive in the running game and the passing game and it’s going to be hard to move those guys. Pro football is about being able to run the ball and stopping the run. We have to stop the run better and Da’Ron Payne will help us do that.”

Payne did show a good initial step at times and would be the first off the ball. But then he would stand too upright and lose his push. If he can learn to stay lower consistently, Payne could turn into a good interior rusher. It won’t be about sacks; it’ll be about the ability to collapse the pocket and set up the edge rushers. When Allen and Ioannidis were out with injuries, the Redskins did not pressure the passer. Playing next to Allen, Redskins linebacker Preston Smith recorded 4.5 sacks in the first five games. Without Allen, Smith posted 3.5 sacks over the final 11 games. A consistent push inside will help players such as Smith.

Derrius Guice could be a steal for the Redskins at the end of the second round. Roy K. Miller/Icon Sportswire

Round 2, No. 59 overall: Derrius Guice, RB, LSU

My take: The Redskins wanted a running back with power and explosiveness. They did a lot of work on Guice throughout the process -- going to dinner with him before his pro day and then hosting him in Washington. There were a lot of whispers about Guice before this weekend and those continued until he was selected. That will be worth monitoring, but he has first-round talent, so if off-field concerns are alleviated, then the Redskins will greatly benefit with perhaps their best all-around running back since Clinton Portis.

How he fits: The Redskins weren't going to pick a running back unless he was a clear upgrade over the current backs, including Samaje Perine and Rob Kelley. Chris Thompson will remain as their third-down guy. But they selected Guice here for a reason: They want a full-time starting back. Guice becomes the Redskins' highest running back selection since they took Ladell Betts at No. 56 in 2002. Guice ran for 1,387 yards and 15 touchdowns in 2016 and 1,251 yards last season, despite playing hurt. He'll have to prove he can help in the passing game, either as a blocker or pass-catcher. But he runs with violence and should get yards after contact -- or create openings with his patience and vision.

Round 3, No. 74 overall: Geron Christian, OT, Louisville

My take: Offensive tackle Geron Christian is an athletic, intriguing pick for the Redskins. He’s a former basketball player, so footwork won’t be an issue for him. At 6-foot-5, 298 pounds, he has good size for playing tackle. There’s no doubt the Redskins were stung by all the injuries they had up front last season, having to play nearly three dozen offensive line combinations. Christian was a three-year starter at Louisville and coach Jay Gruden called him an exciting prospect. It’s not just his athleticism, he also has the arm length that teams covet. He played both tackle spots at Louisville.

How he fits: It’ll be interesting to see how the Redskins work their tackles. They have two starting tackles in Trent Williams and Morgan Moses who are coming off injuries and won’t be ready until after spring workouts. Swing tackle Ty Nsekhe also is coming off an injury-filled season. They had not talked with Nsekhe before the players returned on April 16 about a possible switch to guard. But after drafting Christian, they could revisit that possibility. However, he’s not able to practice yet either, so that scenario won’t be known for a while. It also will depend on how Christian develops and how close he’d be to contributing as a rookie. However, he provides insurance should anything happen again like in 2017, when they were unable to withstand the heavy dose of injuries.

If nothing else, Penn State's Troy Apke, left, gives the Redskins depth in the secondary. AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill

Round 4, No. 109 overall: Troy Apke, S, Penn State

My take: The Redskins picked a player with only one year starting experience but one who provides speed, and that's always worth developing. Apke ran the 40-yard dash in 4.34 seconds at the combine. He also has good size at 6-foot-1, 210 pounds. The Redskins do not need him to play much as a rookie so that should allow him a chance to develop. Apke went higher than most anticipated, but the Redskins found someone they can groom into a capable backup if nothing else.

How he fits: The Redskins needed more depth in the secondary behind starters D.J. Swearinger and Montae Nicholson. Don't forget, Nicholson was a fourth-round choice last season who impressed. But they don't have a lot of depth behind those two, save for DeShazor Everett. Apke will fit mostly as a special teamer, another area they needed to fix. With all the injuries last season the Redskins' special teams were weakened, so they need to find players who could develop into fixtures within the unit.

Round 5, No. 163 overall: Tim Settle, DT, Virginia Tech

Former Virginia Tech DT Tim Settle is a versatile lineman with sneaky speed who could be a long-term starter.

My take: Landing Settle in the fifth round is excellent value for Washington. He was rated by some as a third rounder. The Redskins did not have to add another defensive lineman, but if Settle continues to develop -- as he did last year at Virginia Tech -- he could become a part of the line rotation. Settle, from nearby Manassas, Virginia, struggled with his weight before last season, but got that under control and flourished and finished with 12.5 tackles for a loss and four sacks in 2017.

How he fits: At 6-foot-3 and 329 pounds, Settle can play nose tackle, a long area of need for Washington. They do have Phil Taylor and first-round pick Da’Ron Payne to handle that spot. But like Payne, Settle can help as a tackle in nickel as well. There will be solid competition along the defensive line this summer, with nine players having a legitimate shot at roster spots; the Redskins typically keep six linemen. With Settle and Payne coming, some veterans will be expendable. That includes Terrell McClain, who struggled last season and does not have a guaranteed base salary this season.

Round 6, No. 197 overall: Shaun Dion Hamilton, LB, Alabama

Despite knee injuries in 2016 and 2017, LB Shaun Dion Hamilton was a force on the Alabama defense.

My take: The Redskins love defensive players from Alabama. Inside linebacker Hamilton is the fourth Crimson Tide defensive player drafted in the last two years. Hamilton has been productive when healthy. But staying healthy has been the problem, with his last two seasons having ended because of knee injuries. He tore his right ACL in 2016 and then suffered a broken right kneecap last season. But he’s a smart player and can call signals. Hamilton was third on the team with 5.5 tackles for a loss when his season ended last year.

How he fits: He’s a good pick for the future. Hamilton said his knee is 85 percent healthy and he expects to be ready for training camp. But that still means he’ll be behind when camp begins -- and that means prepping him for special teams and perhaps that of a future starter. The Redskins are set at starting inside linebacker with Mason Foster and Zach Brown. Hamilton gives the Redskins someone who could take over a year from now if they want to part ways with one of the starters.

Round 7, No. 241 overall: Greg Stroman, CB, Virginia Tech

My take: The Redskins lost a Virginia Tech corner this offseason when they traded Kendall Fuller to Kansas City. Stroman isn’t as talented as Fuller, but he can play the position. It’s a smart idea to draft corners every year, just because of their importance and the fact you need three good ones. Stroman played high school ball and college ball with defensive lineman Tim Settle, whom the Redskins drafted in the fifth round. Stroman also played two years under Torian Gray, now the Redskins secondary coach.

How he fits: The Redskins needed more competition at corner. After Josh Norman, it’s uncertain who will start. They do have Orlando Scandrick, Fabian Moreau, Quinton Dunbar and Josh Holsey. So, there are potential good choices, but what direction it takes remains to be seen. It’ll be hard for Stroman to break into that group, but Holsey made it as a seventh-rounder last year. Stroman, who intercepted nine passes at Tech, also can return punts; he averaged 11.3 yards per return last season. He weighs around 190 pounds, so he might have to add some strength.

The Redskins select SMU WR Trey Quinn with the last pick in the 2018 NFL draft.

Round 7, No. 256 overall: Trey Quinn, WR, SMU

My take: The Redskins grabbed a guy who will have a lot to prove as Mr. Irrelevant, the last pick in the draft. It’s a safe bet that any receiver who has 114 catches and 13 touchdowns in one season doesn’t want to be called irrelevant. Quinn started nine games in two seasons at LSU, but wasn't getting a lot of targets, so he transferred to SMU. The Redskins like how well he runs option routes, which will be helpful if he plays in the slot. Gruden said Quinn has strong hands, so drops have not been a problem.

How he fits: The Redskins needed more receivers, just for competition beyond the top three or four. Their first three are set: Josh Doctson, Jamison Crowder and Paul Richardson. But after that there are questions, with Brian Quick, Robert Davis and Maurice Harris. They need more bodies just in case something happens – or if someone doesn’t develop. Quinn can also help as a returner if he makes the roster. Crowder has struggled in two of his three years as a punt returner, but the Redskins rarely have had a good alternative.

 
Thought I'd post the one thing I think the Skins got right .... I saw Greg Stroman in person many many times.  First time was in HS when he put up 5 TDs of his own playing QB for Stonewall Jackson, all of them being runs over 40 yards.  It was like a man playing with boys.  He was the same early on in college then they limited his punt returns  so he didn't get hurt.  The guy is incredibly fast.  For a 7th round pick, I think the Skins found some DB depth and a star punt returner. He needs to work on his technique at DB.  But as a punt returner, I think he'll have the job by the second preseason game.

 
3 picks on offense, 5 picks on defense, 2 sure starters. 2 trades during the draft which I thought were good --- one to move up and one to move down. Still no G or TE.

 
3 picks on offense, 5 picks on defense, 2 sure starters. 2 trades during the draft which I thought were good --- one to move up and one to move down. Still no G or TE.
Grabbed Sean Welsh in the UDFA derby.  :thumbup:

He was an offensive captain out here in Iowa.  Good technician, and versatile.  He was never gonna land on some team and seize a starter's gig, because he's just not that level of athlete.  But he's got a career as a utility O lineman who can play any interior spot.  And he blossomed early at Iowa under Brandon Scherff's wing, so there'll be a comfort zone there.  Good pickup at a spot of need.

 
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Nice draft guys. NFC East getting stronger across the board. 

Youre better at QB, RB, but who’s your WRs? 

(NOT talking smack here)

 
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Nice draft guys. NFC East getting stronger across the board. 

Youre better at QB, RB, but who’s your WRs? 

(NOT talking smack here)
Crowder, Doctson, Richardson are a solid group although not one of them will really scare an offense. Reed if healthy, big if. Thompson out of the backfield. Not a bad receiving crew. Guice can also catch if necessary.

I do question Smith's ability to get the ball to Richardson, however.

 
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If Alex Smith cou[SIZE=10.5px]ld get the ball to Tyreek Hill, he can get it to Paul Richardson.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5px]The weight of the world is on Josh Doctson's shoulders this year, as far as the 'skins passing game goes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5px]I wish we had a capable YOUNG backup for Jordan Reed.[/SIZE]

 
I got roasted several times for posting that. Remember, Smith still sucks at the long ball. It was all just Hill running under everything.
Having watched Smith in several games last year I'm very happy with the way he throws deep balls. So if people are doubting that he can, they'll see.

 
Smith was actually the league's most accurate deep passer last year.
Going deep has always run more against his mindset than his skillset.  He takes what's there.  :shrug:

Smith's always had elite tools.  He's just not wired to be very exciting.  It's both why fans and owners never want to seem to keep him around, and why he's got a career 60% win rate.  I'd happily take him on any team I root for, no matter what kind of O they run.

 
Crowder, Doctson, Richardson are a solid group although not one of them will really scare an offense. Reed if healthy, big if. Thompson out of the backfield. Not a bad receiving crew. Guice can also catch if necessary.

I do question Smith's ability to get the ball to Richardson, however.
I sincerely think Mr. Irrelevant has a chance to be with this team breaking camp.

 
Heard Doug Williams on the radio this AM from I guess an interview yesteday.  He was talking like a man in charge.  I never liked what he did coaching, but I must say his attitude is infectious and he could grow on me quickly as a GM / Personnel guy.

I wonder if the change so many fans (current and former) is finally on the way.  Nothing would please me, and I think a few hundred thousand other people, more than for Allen to get the boot.   And now seems a pretty good time when Allen can find a gig out west.  I don't care how they frame it.  Please let it be so.

 
Heard Doug Williams on the radio this AM from I guess an interview yesteday.  He was talking like a man in charge.  I never liked what he did coaching, but I must say his attitude is infectious and he could grow on me quickly as a GM / Personnel guy.

I wonder if the change so many fans (current and former) is finally on the way.  Nothing would please me, and I think a few hundred thousand other people, more than for Allen to get the boot.   And now seems a pretty good time when Allen can find a gig out west.  I don't care how they frame it.  Please let it be so.
Allen is the #1 least trusted GM in the NFL by other front office personnel and agents. Please, finally, get him the f*** outta here.

 
That would probably be a positive. But, remember, we still have Dan and he's likely to bring in someone else. We thought ditching Vinnie and bringing in Bruce was going to help. We were all excited for Scot and that was short-lived. I wouldn't be surprised if a Bruce departure leads to more power for Jay.

 
That would probably be a positive. But, remember, we still have Dan and he's likely to bring in someone else. We thought ditching Vinnie and bringing in Bruce was going to help. We were all excited for Scot and that was short-lived. I wouldn't be surprised if a Bruce departure leads to more power for Jay.
The reports make it sound like Doug Williams is already taking over what Bruce Allen did on the personnel side, and that he seems like their "GM" even though they don't seem to have a typical FO structure.

I don't think they give Jay more power, and if they suck this year he could definitely still be gone. That said, I think they go at least 7-9 and he maintains his job.

 
Goodbye, Bruce.

When the Washington Redskins took their cheerleading squad to Costa Rica in 2013 for a calendar photo shoot, the first cause for concern among the cheerleaders came when Redskins officials collected their passports upon arrival at the resort, depriving them of their official identification.

For the photo shoot, at the adults-only Occidental Grand Papagayo resort on Culebra Bay, some of the cheerleaders said they were required to be topless, though the photographs used for the calendar would not show nudity. Others wore nothing but body paint. Given the resort’s secluded setting, such revealing poses would not have been a concern for the women — except that the Redskins had invited spectators.

 
If the market really is THIS ice cold for Breeland..... it would be very smart for WAS to bring him back now that he actually has some idea what his value is on the open market.

They certainly didn't do anything to replace him(other than sign an old and often injured Scandrick). I still can't believe they didn't draft Parry Nickerson with pick #163. 

I can't believe how many people seem convinced this was a good draft by WAS because they checked off DT and RB in the draft. 

 
I think the market is cold for Breeland because he failed his physical with the Panthers.

April 3 article

The reason Breeland failed a physical was of a cut he suffered on his foot in the Dominican Republic last month. The injury occurred when a golf cart hit him in the back of the leg and it reopened a wound he originally suffered when he was in fourth grade.

"It's an old injury from the fourth grade. I don't understand it," Breeland said to ESPN.com after the Panthers voided his contract. "I've been through this before. I got over it at a young age. It's a lot of money on the line. A lot of things going on."

The injury requires a skin graft, but Breeland says he will be able to play this season.
The Skins would be foolish to not put the tender on him, and I don't know why they're not offering him at least a low-to-moderate contract. I think he's been pretty darn good for the Skins, and the times he's looked back were usually on plays that involved switching assignments during a play (passing off a receiver to a safety). For some reason I think theSkins just do not like him. Even if they don't like him they should tender him. Once he's proven he's healthy again, if another team signs him the Skins may get some draft compensation for him. I don't know why they'd pass that up.

 
I think the market is cold for Breeland because he failed his physical with the Panthers.

April 3 article

The Skins would be foolish to not put the tender on him, and I don't know why they're not offering him at least a low-to-moderate contract. I think he's been pretty darn good for the Skins, and the times he's looked back were usually on plays that involved switching assignments during a play (passing off a receiver to a safety). For some reason I think theSkins just do not like him. Even if they don't like him they should tender him. Once he's proven he's healthy again, if another team signs him the Skins may get some draft compensation for him. I don't know why they'd pass that up.
I agree with you.  Particularly after losing Fuller, why go out of your way to lose another decent corner.  Back when the reason was "too much money", I didn't like it but I still UNDERSTOOD it.  The Redskins behavior is not rational here.  But they seem to have a history of just "not liking" guys all of a sudden.  Yet another reason why Bruce Allen is such a terrible front office guy...

 

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