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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (5 Viewers)

Frankly, I think the Skins O and D Coordinators were out-coached by a mile last night.   Defense made no noticeable adjustments in strategy.  It was so bad it needs no more comments.  Offense got out rhythm sitting on the bench in Q2.  But the play calling (or maybe the lack of audibles) was questionable given PIT's D.  I'm a Kirk fan, but a decent QB would have marched this team down the field in no time with 4-5 yards passes and QB scrambles.  The tempo to the line and to run the next play would have been much faster.  I don't know if that's on Kirk or the OC.

Looking like more of the same.  A team that can compete with average teams, but can't touch a PIT, GB, DEN or NE. 

 
Brunell4MVP said:
Looking like more of the same.  A team that can compete with average teams, but can't touch a PIT, GB, DEN or NE. 
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Good thing we still have games against GB, ARI, CAR, and CIN left!

 
What a beatdown.   I can't imagine how bad this would have been had LeVeon Bell and Martavis Bryant played.   The Skins were outclassed, pure and simple. 

Gruden did not have this team ready to play.   Cousins wasn't sharp and threw low the entire game.   And even on the pass interference through to DeSean, Jackson was open on that play and Cousins under-threw him.   

The offensive line wasn't good.   And I have been on this kick before, but I challenge anyone to say that the Skins are getting their money\'s worth with Scherff, especially with Leonard Williams looking like a monster in NY.  You don't spend the fifth overall pick on a guard.  They should have taken Williams and gone after La'el Collins in the supplemental.  

To be perfectly and brutally frank, being the NFC East division winner last year was analogous to being the tallest midget in the circus.   

 
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PinkydaPimp said:
I blame gruden for a large part of this.  The penalties, the strategy, the execution.  Pittsburgh did look ferocious but we just looked bad out there. 
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I really didn't think the Steelers looked ferocious. I thought they looked prepared, businesslike, and doing what they were supposed to do, nothing more. And that was enough to mow down the team in front of them.

 
Brunell4MVP said:
Looking like more of the same.  A team that can compete with average teams, but can't touch a PIT, GB, DEN or NE. 
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I'll agree when I see them play a couple average teams, like in the next 2 weeks. Might even be below average. Let's see if we can beat either or both of them.

 
dgreen said:
Cooley said Cousins was bad! We'll see how that translates to a grade once he watches film, though.
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Um, yeah, let's see how he grades him. I'm gussing it'll be a C.

Cooley wasn't taking criticism well this morning. He's on the morning show with Sheehan, and ever day after a game that show is there to take fan call-ins. The first 2 were complaining and venting and Cooley actually yelled at them. It was pretty damn funny, listening to a host lose it on a show. The Cooley said "No more calls then", and Sheehan reminded him that's the whole purpose of the show the day after a game.

Cooley's a bull in a china shop on the air. Everyone else has been told to defer to him, and you can hear their irritation sometimes. Today's not the first time he's lost it over criticism -- he did it several tiems when he was on the afternoon show. But trying to cut off fan calls after only 2 of them because he couldn't stand the criticism of the Skins was pretty hilarious. He had predicted the Skins would beat the Steelers.

 
dcgangstas said:
The offensive line wasn't good.   And I have been on this kick before, but I challenge anyone to say that the Skins are getting their money\'s worth with Scherff, especially with Leonard Williams looking like a monster in NY.  You don't spend the fifth overall pick on a guard.  They should have taken Williams and gone after La'el Collins in the supplemental.
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Yeah, using the 5th pick on a guard looks bad. It would look much better if Scherff could run block but he can't.

Lichtensteiger had 3 penalties last night I believe, 2 of them for illegal procedure. Trent had his usual 2 for illegal procedure, but he can be forgiven since he's actually good. Davis looked good at TE.

 
So long as we retain our Defensive coordinator, the skins have no chance. He was putrid last year. He is putrid this year. FA, draft picks, whatever. Nothing they give him initiates any change. They just get run over.

 
Austin Reiter was cut to make room for Cullen Jenkins who was re-signed.  Thom Loverro was joking that the best hopes for the Redskins run woes on offense and defense weren't on the roster (Jenkins and Pierre Thomas), and that's not good. To that list of 2 I'd add Junior Galette, who's always a hope and never not hurt.

John Keim on the running game (O and D)

" The run defense is a major concern -- it was last year, it was entering this season and it will be going forward. The Redskins have done a poor job of addressing their front seven the past two offseasons. I won’t revisit the Leonard Williams/Brandon Scherff debate. If you like a guy better, you take him. Move on. But the problem stems from having no major additions up front over the last two years. It will continue to haunt the Redskins, and they’ll be forced to look for multiple front-seven defenders in the offseason. They have complementary pieces -- guys who are solid parts of a rotation. But too often defenders aren’t getting off blocks to make plays, and it’s not just on the line, either. That's not on one person, it’s on all of them. It's why Pittsburgh averaged 4.9 yards per carry Monday. On the other side, the Steelers’ front seven often got off blocks and made plays accordingly. "

Next up comes Dallas with their good running game.

 
Breeland looked lost and was burned several times. He should be able to hold Dez under 250 yds though. As for Norman, they simply moved Brown away from him and either he or the skins staff are afraid to move him off of his side of the field. So he'll be a non-factor as far as Dez goes.

 
DallasDMac said:
Breeland looked lost and was burned several times. He should be able to hold Dez under 250 yds though. As for Norman, they simply moved Brown away from him and either he or the skins staff are afraid to move him off of his side of the field. So he'll be a non-factor as far as Dez goes.
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:lmao:

Honestly, on some of those it was simply Antonio being a ####in beast.  Not sure 99% of corners could have stopped him.  But on other plays he looked lost for sure.  It didn't help that we couldnt stop the run so we had to account for that.  We will see much of the same in Dallas as their run game will be tough to stop.  But Dak aint Roethlisburger.  Nevertheless, if we play how we did this week it wont matter and we will lose. 

 
I really hope they bring Spiller in. Although he's had an up and down career, he's far more proven, and i'd say has a higher ceiling than anyone on the roster right now. 

 
I think we're being a bit harsh on Breeland.  he was burned no doubt, but he was in perfect position at times too. just playing against a hall of famer in his prime. Bree has held his own vs Dez in the past so I'm not worried too much. still would like to see the investment of Norman be used in ways to justify it. 

 
We got our asses kicked. It was week one. Preseason was/is a joke. I'm kind of glad it happened. Gets us a real look at the team next week. Dallas week. This will show us who this team is. 

:popcorn:  

 
jbz said:
I think we're being a bit harsh on Breeland.  he was burned no doubt, but he was in perfect position at times too. just playing against a hall of famer in his prime. Bree has held his own vs Dez in the past so I'm not worried too much. still would like to see the investment of Norman be used in ways to justify it. 
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I have to agree with that. Nobody can cover Brown 1 on 1 the whole game without safety help or a monstrous pass rush. He didn't get either of those things. Breeland's good.

 
jbz said:
I think we're being a bit harsh on Breeland.  he was burned no doubt, but he was in perfect position at times too. just playing against a hall of famer in his prime. Bree has held his own vs Dez in the past so I'm not worried too much. still would like to see the investment of Norman be used in ways to justify it. 
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I agree. I don't fault Breeland. While he's a solid corner for us, he's not a shutdown guy. Antonio Brown is one of, if not the best WRs in the game. It's a tall task to ask anyone to shut him down for a whole game. I blame the coaches for not game planning better to help him out. Why not have a safety constantly over the top to help out? It was like the coaches were afraid to make adjustments of any kind to slow down Brown. Yes, he was probably going to get his one way or another, but at least try and make life difficult for him. Instead, we just sat back and did the same thing.

 
jbz said:
I think we're being a bit harsh on Breeland.  he was burned no doubt, but he was in perfect position at times too. just playing against a hall of famer in his prime. Bree has held his own vs Dez in the past so I'm not worried too much. still would like to see the investment of Norman be used in ways to justify it. 
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Antonio Brown had a great game.  I was amazed at a couple of the catches he made.  It sure looked like he could catch anything thrown anywhere near him.

 
I know the Patriots sometimes have implemented a similar strategy with #1 WRs.  They double that WR and leave their #1 CB isolated on the other side.  Perhaps Barry was trying to do that?  Pitt is good at moving Brown around and we all know he's fast/quick as hell so maybe Brown blew up those plans.  Still, as you all stated, no adjustments were made. Pitt motioned Brown and I bet everytime he saw Breeland following him, he and Big Ben already knew what to do without even saying anything. 

 
jbz said:
I know the Patriots sometimes have implemented a similar strategy with #1 WRs.  They double that WR and leave their #1 CB isolated on the other side.  Perhaps Barry was trying to do that?  Pitt is good at moving Brown around and we all know he's fast/quick as hell so maybe Brown blew up those plans.  Still, as you all stated, no adjustments were made. Pitt motioned Brown and I bet everytime he saw Breeland following him, he and Big Ben already knew what to do without even saying anything. 
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Actually they were just loading the other side and had Brown standing alone opposite of them. If the skins singled him up, Ben optioned to him right away. It worked every time. It was like the exact opposite or trickery or stealth.

 
Some of the [over]reactions to the Steelers game is out of control. A few points:

-What are we paying a CB $15M for if he's not going to cover the best WR? To take away half the field. Like most elite CB's in the NFL do. That's a huge advantage, and worth $15M if you can find a guy who can do it, which so far appears to be the case with Norman.

-Breeland had a good game. He was often up against one of the best WR's on one of the best offenses in the NFL, and he never really got burned. If you're one on one, the best you can hope for is to force the QB to throw perfect passes and force the WR to make tough catches, which is what happened. You need another defender in good position to truly shut someone down. A bad game looks like Breeland vs Mike Evans in last year's Tampa game. Evans was making cuts that Breeland was slow to respond to, running routes that got Breeland picked off in traffic, and just generally speeding past him at every opportunity. If we had left Norman alone with Brown the results would have been the same, and the story would have been about how we're misusing him and spending tons of money to fit a square peg into a round hole like we've always done.

-So why didn't we double Brown to take him out of the game? Probably because we have much bigger weaknesses in our defense than our secondary, which is no secret to anyone, so why is it such a surprise? I don't think it's a mistake in general to put more defenders in run support or send them to pass rush. It's what we need to do. Joe Barry might suck, I don't know, but I can't be too critical of his game plan because he just didn't have the talent to cover everything, and the Steelers did a pretty great job finding where we were weak almost on a play by play basis and going there.

I think going forward there will be games we get picked apart in the same way for the same reasons, because we play a lot of good offenses. There will be games vs not so good offenses and our corners and game plan will look Super Bowl ready. What I hope I don't see is our coaches giving in to the fan and media pressure to play Norman man to man vs the top receiver, because that won't end well and it's not the reason we lost on Monday. Going forward it would be great to add more talent on the defensive line, but I understand SMC's philosophy on building a team and I still believe it's the correct approach for long term success.

 
I can't believe how many people in the media are saying Norman needs to step up and demand he covers the best WR. Breeland is very capable and it would kill their chemistry if he did anything like that. Breeland has a lot to work on, but he has huge potential. He's shut down many top WRs before. He'll do it again. 

 
Sebowski said:
Bit they are all making about about Norman vs Breeland. Stupid. 
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Norman made it all about Norman with all his brash statements over the years. You can't shoot your mouth off about how you are the best, how you are going to shut down this player or that, then go out and NOT cover the number one guy and expect no backlash. Fair or not, it's going to happen and he has to know it. I can't see how anyone would be surprised by that.

 
Sebowski said:
I can't believe how many people in the media are saying Norman needs to step up and demand he covers the best WR. Breeland is very capable and it would kill their chemistry if he did anything like that. Breeland has a lot to work on, but he has huge potential. He's shut down many top WRs before. He'll do it again. 
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Agree completely. The only reason there's so much talk in the media about that is because they don't want to take the time to covery anything in depth. The DB's don't set defensive game plans -- Joe Barry does; that's not covered. The rush defense sucked; that's covered very little. David Bruton was bad; that's not covered. Breeland's entirely capable and was right by Brown numerous times during the game; that's not covered. The media wants to cover it like Doc Walker would --- like it's a simple manhood issue --- because anything else would take too much thought.

 
DallasDMac said:
Norman made it all about Norman with all his brash statements over the years. You can't shoot your mouth off about how you are the best, how you are going to shut down this player or that, then go out and NOT cover the number one guy and expect no backlash. Fair or not, it's going to happen and he has to know it. I can't see how anyone would be surprised by that.
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Really?

You think they signed Norman to set defensive coverages instead of Joe Barry doing so?  Come on. It was a bad loss, real bad, and what's being done is the usual --- pin the blame on the latest high-paid Redskin who isn't Kirk Cousins.

 
fatness said:
Really?

You think they signed Norman to set defensive coverages instead of Joe Barry doing so?  Come on. It was a bad loss, real bad, and what's being done is the usual --- pin the blame on the latest high-paid Redskin who isn't Kirk Cousins.
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:goodposting:

We'll continue to see the coaching staff exposed over the season.

 
fatness said:
Really?

You think they signed Norman to set defensive coverages instead of Joe Barry doing so?  Come on. It was a bad loss, real bad, and what's being done is the usual --- pin the blame on the latest high-paid Redskin who isn't Kirk Cousins.
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Irrelevant, and I guess you missed the point of my post. What Norman was signed for, who calls coverages, all that is irrelevant. The fact is, Norman talked a LOT about how he is the man. Shot off his mouth to ODB and other alpha type NFLers. Then went out and played D without covering the number one guy. He's going to catch crap from the other players and the media regardless of anything you posted, and it is to be totally expected. Nothing you said changes that.

 
DallasDMac said:
Irrelevant, and I guess you missed the point of my post. What Norman was signed for, who calls coverages, all that is irrelevant. The fact is, Norman talked a LOT about how he is the man. Shot off his mouth to ODB and other alpha type NFLers. Then went out and played D without covering the number one guy. He's going to catch crap from the other players and the media regardless of anything you posted, and it is to be totally expected. Nothing you said changes that.
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This is true mostly because people are stupid.  Until the D performs better, he will be scrutinized for this unfortunately.  Look at Sherman.  When the D is playing well, and he is just sticking to his side, he gets recognition as a top corner.  And if they dont, he gets scrutiny.  and in DC, that scrutiny will be 10 fold. 

 
Dismattle said:
Lets be more positive   Skins only need to Win 8 or so games to take the Division..
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I'm uninterested in this.  McCloughan has been making some decent moves and been giving Gruden more talent.  They need to start looking like a professionally coached and prepared team instead of this sloppy mess that gets rolled out week after week.

 
Skins were 2-4 going into the TB game last year.  They'll be lucky to get to 2-4 this season.  Next 4 games are @NYG, Browns, @Ravens, Eagles.

This is a 6-10 season, most likely.

 
From Twitter:

#Cowboys are 2-1 since 2015 without Tony Romo against the Washington Redskins. Cowboys are 0-11 without Romo in all other games.

 
That one is on Kirk. I'm glad he's on a one year deal. I'd be pretty pissed if we locked this guy up long term. He was terrible today. Locking in. Bad reads. Bad throws. Coaching/play calling sucked too, but that's par for the course over here. Kirk had has chances and he blew them. 

 
Kirk needs to get more consistent thats for sure.  I'm glad they didn't pay him as he needs to show more especially with these weapons that he has.  Losing Golston didnt help.  Defense as a whole needs alot of work(though Norman played a great game!).  And the media is going to eat us alive this week and if we dont look better soon it wont end well.  Barry is on the hot seat.  Gruden has to be too at this point because coaching hasnt been great.  On to NY!

Ricky Jean Francois on lack of adjustments not being a one week issue. #Redskins

 
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@AnthonyGulizia

Before #Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins spoke with the media in his presser, he had a closed-door meeting with coach Jay Gruden.

 
Kirk, DeSean, and Garçon are all free agents after this year. Matt Jones is on a super cheap later round rookie deal. This will get blown up real quick if it isn't turned around real quick. 

 
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