I wonder what the context was for missing the test. Forgot? Avoided? If he actively avoided it, you have to figure he had done something he shouldn't have. His first suspension was due to marijana, btw. Sad with everyone taking HGH and everything else to give you a competitive edge, big Trent will probably sit for smoking a bowl. Wait til the offseason, man. SMH.dgreen said:It is reportedly for missing a test rather than failing a test.
Yep, but sports radio takes this opportunity to spend quite a bit of time on Cousin's upcoming contract status and "who is really in charge" in Ashburn.So weird to say this, but his is actually a good team.
Line played well. Good run blocking and protected Cousins well. Kelley made some runs I don't think Jones would have made. Turned -2 yard runs into 3 yard gains. Turned 4 yard runs into 7 yards. Showed some good jukes. Not sure what happened to Reed, Davis, and Crowder in the second half. As we keep hearing from Cousins, he just goes where his reads take him, so I'm guessing Minnesota changed something up.I missed this game. How did the line look without Trent? Kelly look legit? Did the Vikings scheme Reed out?
I'm in the mood to whine about something new today, so ...Looking at this stretch -- Minn, GB, and Dallas -- many of us thought that maybe this would be the stretch to do the Redskins in, after not finishing off some winnable games vs. Detroit and Cincinnati. But we faced a reeling Minnesota team who had lost three straight. And now we face a reeling Green Bay team who has lost three straight and who was absolutely schellacked by Tennessee today. Before the season, I would have pegged these two games as losers for sure. But the fates have arranged it to give the Redskins a chance to steal those two games now. DOn't get me wrong. It's the Redskins we're talking about here, so we coudl go out and get our doors blown off next week. But (in Dumb and Dumber voice), "I'm just saying we have a chance."
I don't have a great feeling about the Cowboys game on the road, so this makes Green Bay at home huge. If we can somehow steal a win, I actually do like our positioning for a Wild Card bearth down the stretch.
Today wasn't pretty, and they almost gave it away, but they did fight hard and find a way to win at the end. Give them credit for not laying down and dying at least...
Oh yeah, it totally sucks.I'm in the mood to whine about something new today, so ...
How the hell do the Cowboys get a 1 PM home game on the weekend before the Thanksgiving game while we play the Sunday night game and then have to travel? That seems like a bit of a screw job. At least give us the extra seven hours of recovery.
Keep in mind that years ago The Thanksgiving Day game was thought of as awful. Jones pushed to get the game to Dallas and Detroit agreed because they weren't very good and ratings started to improve (not dissimilar to Jacksonville's London games). The league seems to have always tried to give a little help to Dallas and Detroit over that week (Detroit had a bye last week), nowadays with all of The Thursday Night games that little finagling is unnecessary.I'm in the mood to whine about something new today, so ...
How the hell do the Cowboys get a 1 PM home game on the weekend before the Thanksgiving game while we play the Sunday night game and then have to travel? That seems like a bit of a screw job. At least give us the extra seven hours of recovery.
Why? Seems like the Thanksgiving game would always be advantageous to Dallas and Detroit. The team they play on Thanksgiving is usually also on short rest, but they have to sneak in travel during that short week as well. And then the following week they're generally playing a team that's had less rest than they have. I'd sign up for that any time.Keep in mind that years ago The Thanksgiving Day game was thought of as awful. Jones pushed to get the game to Dallas and Detroit agreed because they weren't very good and ratings started to improve (not dissimilar to Jacksonville's London games). The league seems to have always tried to give a little help to Dallas and Detroit over that week (Detroit had a bye last week), nowadays with all of The Thursday Night games that little finagling is unnecessary.
At the time was thought that Thanksgiving would net low attendance (keep in mind this was before the TV deals got ridiculous).Why? Seems like the Thanksgiving game would always be advantageous to Dallas and Detroit. The team they play on Thanksgiving is usually also on short rest, but they have to sneak in travel during that short week as well. And then the following week they're generally playing a team that's had less rest than they have. I'd sign up for that any time.
Personally, I think the "tradition" that always awards this game to Dallas and Detroit is ridiculous. It's a legitimate point you are making about the very real competitive advantage it gives the home team on a short week. The league makes a big flap about competitive balance and integrity, so I don't see why they let "tradition" get in the way of "fairness."Why? Seems like the Thanksgiving game would always be advantageous to Dallas and Detroit. The team they play on Thanksgiving is usually also on short rest, but they have to sneak in travel during that short week as well. And then the following week they're generally playing a team that's had less rest than they have. I'd sign up for that any time.
Jerry Jones was very shrewd making sure after he signed up for the first one The Cowboys we're always guaranteed to have The Thanksgiving Game. Khan has basically taken Jones's strategy for Jacksonville in London.I'm so sick and tired of everybody that's under 30 years old who wants to change everything because it doesn't suit their particular needs or views.
Cowboys got Thanksgiving day every Thursday because nobody else wanted it. Being forward thinkers they agreed to take the Thursday, but only if they got to host the game every year. The league agreed and then decades later people get to whine and complain about it.
So suck on it and like it.
STEADYMOBBIN sure does spend a lot of time in Redskins threads. I think he's scared to admit he's switched sides.
Wtf? This is just wrong. The Loins have been playing Thanksgiving Day games since 1934Keep in mind that years ago The Thanksgiving Day game was thought of as awful. Jones pushed to get the game to Dallas and Detroit agreed because they weren't very good and ratings started to improve (not dissimilar to Jacksonville's London games). The league seems to have always tried to give a little help to Dallas and Detroit over that week (Detroit had a bye last week), nowadays with all of The Thursday Night games that little finagling is unnecessary.
Home team controversy
It has remained a tradition for Dallas and Detroit to host the afternoon games dating back several decades. However, in recent years, other teams have expressed interest in hosting Thanksgiving games. Lamar Hunt, the former owner of the Chiefs (who had hosted Thanksgiving games from 1967–69 as an AFL team prior to the merger), lobbied heavily in favor of his team hosting a game on the holiday. When the NFL adopted a third, prime time game, the Chiefs were selected as the first team to host such a contest.
The host issue came to a head in 2008, focusing particularly on the winless Lions. Going into the game, Detroit had lost their last four Thanksgiving games, and opinions amongst the media had suggested removing Detroit and replacing them with a more attractive matchup.[22][23] The team also required an extension to prevent a local television blackout.[24] The Lions were routed by Tennessee 47–10, en route to the team's 0–16 season.[25] NFL commissioner Roger Goodell confirmed that the Lions would stay on Thanksgiving for the 2009 season, but kept the issue open to revisit in the future.[26][27]
Conversely, the Dallas Cowboys, who typically represent a larger television draw,[28] have had much fewer public calls to be replaced on Thanksgiving. One issue that has been debated is a perceived unfair advantage of playing at home on Thanksgiving.[29] The advantage is given in the form of an extra day of practice for the home team while the road team has to travel to the game site. This is true for most Thursday games, but with the night games, the visitor can travel to the game site after practice and hold the final walk-thru the following morning.
With the introduction of the prime time game, which effectively allows all teams in the league an opportunity to play on Thanksgiving, along with the introduction of year-long Thursday Night Football ensuring all teams have one Thursday game during the regular season (thus negating any on-field advantages or disadvantages to being selected for Thanksgiving), the calls for Detroit and Dallas to be removed have curtailed.
First of all, I don't really care that much.With the introduction of the prime time game, which effectively allows all teams in the league an opportunity to play on Thanksgiving, along with the introduction of year-long Thursday Night Football ensuring all teams have one Thursday game during the regular season (thus negating any on-field advantages or disadvantages to being selected for Thanksgiving), the calls for Detroit and Dallas to be removed have curtailed.
Dude, side note I am not under 30. Cripes, I may be old enough to be your Dad, or your older brother.I'm so sick and tired of everybody that's under 30 years old who wants to change everything because it doesn't suit their particular needs or views.
Cowboys got Thanksgiving day every year because nobody else wanted it. Being forward thinkers they agreed to take the game, but only if they got to host the game every year. The league agreed and then decades later people get to whine and complain about it.
So suck on it and like it.
Time to "drain the swamp" with these unfair traditions, I say!
You just worry about keeping the Redskins name, pops!Dude, side note I am not under 30. Cripes, I may be old enough to be your Dad, or your older brother.![]()
Other than that, I don't got to like anything and I sure don't have to suck on it.Time to "drain the swamp" with these unfair traditions, I say!
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Yeah, Im so well known for all the trolling I do.Steadytrollin is going to troll steady. Just ignore him like we generally do in here.
So much for the "NFC Least" huh? It is entirely possible that all three of these teams go to the playoffs...and the Eagles don't "suck" either...Dallas has won 9 in a row, beginning with a win in DC thanks to a 4th quarter Cousins INT.
NY has won 5 in a row.
Redskins are 6-1-1 in the last 8.
CSN has video of Cousins yelling "How do you like me now!" to McCloughan as he walked off the field tonight.Yeah, it was a banged up GB secondary, but Cousins did what he needed to do. 6 more games - and hopefully more - to make himself even more money. I hope he makes it an easy decision for the team.3. What about Kirk Cousins dropping bombs to his receivers into that wind that Collingsworth was saying was impossible to throw into. I think we are going to have to pay him. I don't think you are going to be able to play "moneyball" and let him walk.
@ Dallas we're definite underdogs. Other than that, though, favored every game going forward? Since Arizona and Philly are road games, I can see being slight underdogs in those games but I can also see being the favorite.5. Just one win but with Dallas coming up, we absolutely HAD to have that win in order to stay relevant in the playoff hunt. Here's who we have coming home: Dallas, Arizona, Philadelphia, Carolina, Chicago, Giants. Can we scare up 4 more wins from this list? I'd say 3 more wins POSSIBLY gets us in but 4 wins would definitely get it done.
I am not getting my hopes up for a win on Thursday, but anything is possible. I actually do think that our offense is potent and that we can score on Dallas. What worries me though is stopping Elliot. We have definitely gotten better tackling but I just don't see our defense yet as a nasty force that strikes fear into teams. I also note that we struggle when QBs scramble (even Stafford broke long runs against us...and so Dak is capable of making us pay.). That said, we can score so anything is possible...maybe put up a bunch of points and hope to get a few turnovers to turn the tide...CSN has video of Cousins yelling "How do you like me now!" to McCloughan as he walked off the field tonight.Yeah, it was a banged up GB secondary, but Cousins did what he needed to do. 6 more games - and hopefully more - to make himself even more money. I hope he makes it an easy decision for the team.
@ Dallas we're definite underdogs. Other than that, though, favored every game going forward? Since Arizona and Philly are road games, I can see being slight underdogs in those games but I can also see being the favorite.
A win Thursday would obviously be HUGE. Could cut the division lead down to 1.5 games.
I vote for "Fake Gut Punch" because it really looked like he was going to nail him right in the nads. I think the ref even winces and puts his hands down. Totally shocked the NFL didn't fine Cousins and suspend him for 4 games to uphold "league integrity"Not sure what the top highlight was from Sunday night:
1) "How do you like me now?!?!"
2) Dan Snyder dancing
3) Cousins with the fake gut punch to the ref after TD
I think he did something similar last year, but I don't remember exactly what it was or what game it was. Maybe it was something like running up to a ref trying to give him the double high fives?I vote for "Fake Gut Punch" because it really looked like he was going to nail him right in the nads. I think the ref even winces and puts his hands down. Totally shocked the NFL didn't fine Cousins and suspend him for 4 games to uphold "league integrity"![]()
ETA: here is that nad punch vid for anyone who hasn't seen it:
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2016/11/21/13700644/kirk-cousins-punch-ref-balls-washington-packers-sunday-night-football-nfl
Oh yeah, I remember. I think he gently held the ref's head in his hands...looked like he was getting ready to kiss him or something. Pretty funny. I found the video...here it is:I think he did something similar last year, but I don't remember exactly what it was or what game it was. Maybe it was something like running up to a ref trying to give him the double high fives?
Great read!!I'm bored and went over to lurk on the redskins message board. I used to frequent that thing, well, frequently. Any who.... Someone on there won an auction and spent time with Scot. Thought you guys might dig what he said. I'll put the posts in spoilers:
http://es.redskins.com/topic/407373-scott-mccloughan-honest-evaluation-and-contract-renewal/?page=3#comment-10779118
I was thinking about where to launch this but I figured this is a good starting point. I won an auction which had me meet Scot McCloughan. And I spent 2 hours with him last Friday and I learned a lot. I peppered him with questions. It was amazing. He was a super cool dude. And he took some of the mystery out of the operations for me. It was clear to me listening to him -- he's last say on personnel even if others disagree.
Just some tidbits for those interested. The typical day for him is 6:30 am to 8 pm. 2 things that surprised me a little about what he does in a typical week -- he does a lot of help on film study in preparation for the week's game, watches practice on film, etc. He actually does find the time to watch in person college football during the season. Just for fun, I threw some players at him for the upcoming draft, and he had something to say about everyone of them -- many of whom he's already seen play in person. I left it thinking it would be an understatement to say we are in good hands. This dude is Rain Man savant level in terms of knowing college players. I always thought it was comical that a few stragglers on the board challenge Scot's acumen on the draft for choosing this guy over that guy -- and spending some time with him, it makes that all seem even more absurd. I don't care how many times we watch player such and such on NFLbreakdown.com -- its a fraction of what he knows if even that. I asked him when does he go full gear on the draft -- he told me he's been full gear on the draft for quite some time already and already has a strong handle on the top 60 players in the draft.
Is Scot getting the type of players Jay wants? Yes and No. But mostly, yes. He talked to me about overruling Jay at times on personnel when it came to the draft. He says they have their share of disagreements. But by and large he aims to please. And he considers Jay in his own right a good evaluator. On threads, I often see two points of view about Scot and Jay. 1. Scot loves Jay as a HC, that's his dude through thick and thin. And for those who love Scot and don't like Jay, deal with the reality of this marriage. 2. Scot is so more competent than Jay -- and some day Scot will fire him and get his guy to be HC.
I didn't get the vibe that other point is right on the money outside of Scot really digs Jay as a person and if I had to pick a position I'd go with pro Jay. After spending time with him and asking him many questions, I just didn't get the vibe that Scot is the type who easily gets infatuated (with some exceptions ala some players like Scherff) with anyone whether its a coach or player as to performance. He's looking to improve everywhere and no one is totally safe in that regard.
The thing though I took more than anything from meeting him is what a cool guy he is. I met him with my kids -- he was super cool with them, showed us around Redskins Park. He was so forthright and easy going. I can see why one of his niches is reading into player's motivations and digging into their personality. The dude oozes charisma. And to me he comes off so frank (think of the opposite of Shanny who plays politics) that its disarming -- where I can see players reciprocating in kind.
Among his draft picks he thinks Scherff, Crowder, Cravens are pro bowl to be studs. Doctson, too. And for a guy who hasn't been here long -- he's very into this team and its history. Got him going on stuff like Dallas fans in the DMV, etc. But yeah he comes off like us as if he's been a fan of this team forever (even though that's clearly not the case). He talked about ultimately winning the Superbowl and when he said it, he said it with resolve -- it didn't come off like hollow feel good rhetoric.
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I thought about posting on here before the meeting but I figured the dude might be so busy, that I'd have him for just 15 minutes and he'd go Shanny on me with boiler plate talk -- if Scot went in that direction, I'd have understood. But instead I ended up talking to him for almost 2 hours. I got some drift of what he's thinking about the draft -- and sorry to tease on that front but he told me to keep that part of the conversation quiet. Obviously, he doesn't know who he's going to draft, yet. But I peppered him about some college players and positions and I got his current take. I'll just say what I learned on this front wouldn't shock anyone. But the dude was so cool about it, I'll honor keeping what he told me stays in the room to stay in that room.
We do have 10 picks in the draft. I heard Scot say this months ago and I asked him how considering the Carrier trade -- he told me the Carrier trade had a provision about playing time so if Carrier doesn't end up playing much this season they will get a 7th rounder in return for the 5th.
Some things that I learned that I either wasn't sure of, didn't know at all or just suspected. Doctson's injury is real. He isn't faking it or its that he just can't deal with the pain as Cooley likes to say. The truth is the opposite according to Scot. Doctson didn't tell the staff about his pain and the injury, he wanted to play through it hence it worsened. It's not a chronic injury, it will heal. Scot say Doctson = Dez Bryant. Spaight could ultimately be a good one. Cravens might end up landing at strong safety. He likes the O line, he doesn't think its far from Dallas -- thinks Scherff is on the way of being All Pro.
He loves the chemistry of the team. He thinks they are about to go on a run this season. He thinks they should have won every game outside of the first one -- attributes it to bad luck. I got the vibe (though he didn't flat out say it) that he thinks they are 1-2 years away from a serious Superbowl run.
But the biggest take away from me is his personality -- he is an easy going, likes to have fun kind of guy. Our conversation veered to twitter and I joked with him that I've only been blocked once in my life and that was from Will Compton. I sent Compton a link to a NY post article that lionized the Giants and trashed the Redskins. I gather Compton thought I was a Giants fan egging him on versus me sending him the article as a motivational tool -- so Compton blocked me. Scot thought it was hilarious so he called Compton over and made me explain the story to him, Compton thought it was funny and then shook my hand.
But yeah hanging out with him felt like hanging out with a college buddy you've known for years -- because he's so loose and doesn't take himself seriously. Some here have wondered if all the adulation might go to his head once he landed here -- but I didn't get that vibe even a little. From a personality stand point, it was like talking to anyone on these threads like we are partners in crime -- that of all things was the surreal part of the experience. Even though he knows 50,000 times more on any football subject than I do -- he took every point I gave and question seriously.
And I can see that's probably why he's so good at reading into personalities and finds the Richard Sherman types because you feel like opening up in kind. So I hit with him some of my thoughts including my worry about them playing GB on prime time TV at home -- he chuckled to that and said look we are changing the culture around here. I told him I frequently go to extremeskins and just about all of us trust him implicitly -- we argue here but at the end we say look if Scot goes in a different direction, we trust him, we want whatever Scot wants. (I know we have some stragglers here who don't think that way but most of us do) Scot laughed and said, great to know, but he has a lot of good help, too on that front -- that's when he kicked in that Jay has a good eye for talent.
I'll think about if anything else hits me but those are my initial thoughts. The best thought I came out of it with is that this dude is going to get it done. It's kind of a cliche to say but yeah seeing his personality up close -- he turned from jocular to serious in a hurry when it was about making this team a Superbowl winner -- his determination is so palpable that I left with no doubt.