very cool...thanks for posting this!I'm bored and went over to lurk on the redskins message board. I used to frequent that thing, well, frequently. Any who.... Someone on there won an auction and spent time with Scot. Thought you guys might dig what he said. I'll put the posts in spoilers:
http://es.redskins.com/topic/407373-scott-mccloughan-honest-evaluation-and-contract-renewal/?page=3#comment-10779118
I was thinking about where to launch this but I figured this is a good starting point. I won an auction which had me meet Scot McCloughan. And I spent 2 hours with him last Friday and I learned a lot. I peppered him with questions. It was amazing. He was a super cool dude. And he took some of the mystery out of the operations for me. It was clear to me listening to him -- he's last say on personnel even if others disagree.
Just some tidbits for those interested. The typical day for him is 6:30 am to 8 pm. 2 things that surprised me a little about what he does in a typical week -- he does a lot of help on film study in preparation for the week's game, watches practice on film, etc. He actually does find the time to watch in person college football during the season. Just for fun, I threw some players at him for the upcoming draft, and he had something to say about everyone of them -- many of whom he's already seen play in person. I left it thinking it would be an understatement to say we are in good hands. This dude is Rain Man savant level in terms of knowing college players. I always thought it was comical that a few stragglers on the board challenge Scot's acumen on the draft for choosing this guy over that guy -- and spending some time with him, it makes that all seem even more absurd. I don't care how many times we watch player such and such on NFLbreakdown.com -- its a fraction of what he knows if even that. I asked him when does he go full gear on the draft -- he told me he's been full gear on the draft for quite some time already and already has a strong handle on the top 60 players in the draft.
Is Scot getting the type of players Jay wants? Yes and No. But mostly, yes. He talked to me about overruling Jay at times on personnel when it came to the draft. He says they have their share of disagreements. But by and large he aims to please. And he considers Jay in his own right a good evaluator. On threads, I often see two points of view about Scot and Jay. 1. Scot loves Jay as a HC, that's his dude through thick and thin. And for those who love Scot and don't like Jay, deal with the reality of this marriage. 2. Scot is so more competent than Jay -- and some day Scot will fire him and get his guy to be HC.
I didn't get the vibe that other point is right on the money outside of Scot really digs Jay as a person and if I had to pick a position I'd go with pro Jay. After spending time with him and asking him many questions, I just didn't get the vibe that Scot is the type who easily gets infatuated (with some exceptions ala some players like Scherff) with anyone whether its a coach or player as to performance. He's looking to improve everywhere and no one is totally safe in that regard.
The thing though I took more than anything from meeting him is what a cool guy he is. I met him with my kids -- he was super cool with them, showed us around Redskins Park. He was so forthright and easy going. I can see why one of his niches is reading into player's motivations and digging into their personality. The dude oozes charisma. And to me he comes off so frank (think of the opposite of Shanny who plays politics) that its disarming -- where I can see players reciprocating in kind.
Among his draft picks he thinks Scherff, Crowder, Cravens are pro bowl to be studs. Doctson, too. And for a guy who hasn't been here long -- he's very into this team and its history. Got him going on stuff like Dallas fans in the DMV, etc. But yeah he comes off like us as if he's been a fan of this team forever (even though that's clearly not the case). He talked about ultimately winning the Superbowl and when he said it, he said it with resolve -- it didn't come off like hollow feel good rhetoric.
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I thought about posting on here before the meeting but I figured the dude might be so busy, that I'd have him for just 15 minutes and he'd go Shanny on me with boiler plate talk -- if Scot went in that direction, I'd have understood. But instead I ended up talking to him for almost 2 hours. I got some drift of what he's thinking about the draft -- and sorry to tease on that front but he told me to keep that part of the conversation quiet. Obviously, he doesn't know who he's going to draft, yet. But I peppered him about some college players and positions and I got his current take. I'll just say what I learned on this front wouldn't shock anyone. But the dude was so cool about it, I'll honor keeping what he told me stays in the room to stay in that room.
We do have 10 picks in the draft. I heard Scot say this months ago and I asked him how considering the Carrier trade -- he told me the Carrier trade had a provision about playing time so if Carrier doesn't end up playing much this season they will get a 7th rounder in return for the 5th.
Some things that I learned that I either wasn't sure of, didn't know at all or just suspected. Doctson's injury is real. He isn't faking it or its that he just can't deal with the pain as Cooley likes to say. The truth is the opposite according to Scot. Doctson didn't tell the staff about his pain and the injury, he wanted to play through it hence it worsened. It's not a chronic injury, it will heal. Scot say Doctson = Dez Bryant. Spaight could ultimately be a good one. Cravens might end up landing at strong safety. He likes the O line, he doesn't think its far from Dallas -- thinks Scherff is on the way of being All Pro.
He loves the chemistry of the team. He thinks they are about to go on a run this season. He thinks they should have won every game outside of the first one -- attributes it to bad luck. I got the vibe (though he didn't flat out say it) that he thinks they are 1-2 years away from a serious Superbowl run.
But the biggest take away from me is his personality -- he is an easy going, likes to have fun kind of guy. Our conversation veered to twitter and I joked with him that I've only been blocked once in my life and that was from Will Compton. I sent Compton a link to a NY post article that lionized the Giants and trashed the Redskins. I gather Compton thought I was a Giants fan egging him on versus me sending him the article as a motivational tool -- so Compton blocked me. Scot thought it was hilarious so he called Compton over and made me explain the story to him, Compton thought it was funny and then shook my hand.
But yeah hanging out with him felt like hanging out with a college buddy you've known for years -- because he's so loose and doesn't take himself seriously. Some here have wondered if all the adulation might go to his head once he landed here -- but I didn't get that vibe even a little. From a personality stand point, it was like talking to anyone on these threads like we are partners in crime -- that of all things was the surreal part of the experience. Even though he knows 50,000 times more on any football subject than I do -- he took every point I gave and question seriously.
And I can see that's probably why he's so good at reading into personalities and finds the Richard Sherman types because you feel like opening up in kind. So I hit with him some of my thoughts including my worry about them playing GB on prime time TV at home -- he chuckled to that and said look we are changing the culture around here. I told him I frequently go to extremeskins and just about all of us trust him implicitly -- we argue here but at the end we say look if Scot goes in a different direction, we trust him, we want whatever Scot wants. (I know we have some stragglers here who don't think that way but most of us do) Scot laughed and said, great to know, but he has a lot of good help, too on that front -- that's when he kicked in that Jay has a good eye for talent.
I'll think about if anything else hits me but those are my initial thoughts. The best thought I came out of it with is that this dude is going to get it done. It's kind of a cliche to say but yeah seeing his personality up close -- he turned from jocular to serious in a hurry when it was about making this team a Superbowl winner -- his determination is so palpable that I left with no doubt.
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MattFancy
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Eh, Arizona is pretty good at home. Not too upset about it. It's definitely a winnable game for us. David Johnson will get his, but if we can get to Palmer, we should be fine. Their defense isn't the same as last year's and Peterson and Mathieu are banged up.
I think 9-6-1 probably gets us in. If we go 3-2, then that requires the 6-5 teams to go 4-1. The tie really could help us get into the playoffs.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Cardinals always irked me....... I dont like this game already.
Sebowski
Footballguy
dgreen
Footballguy
CabinFever
Footballguy
This might sound crazy but I blame this loss in Trent Williams. I doubt we lose this game, or at very least, that play where Kurt was hit and they got the ball which led to the TD, if he was on the field. This is a game game they desperately needed to win (and could have won) and blew it. :(
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PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
3rd downs have been killing us all season.
Either way, i dont think our team is ready to compete for a superbowl this season so im not terribly dissapointed. I believe we are better than last year so we made progress. Still have a ways to go though.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Definitely not a Super Bowl contender. The defense needs to be addressed in the offseason. Hit the defense hard in the draft.
Luckily it doesn't look like the Defense needs too much. Desperately need a premier pass rusher, safety is also a desperate need.
The problems in yesterday's game were not new, but no less frustrating.
Arizona 6 of 10 on third downs. I haven't looked at the stats, but I swear most of them were 3-6 or longer, and there were at least a few 3-10+ thrown in there.
Offense got going well in second half but redzone problems resulted in two FGs in first half, with lots of points left on board.
I agree with the general sentiment that the team is actually getting better. We are better than last year, even though the playoffs are uncertain. At the same time, we seriously need a boost on the defensive side of the ball, particularly up front to stop the run and generate a pass rush with the front four.
Disappointing loss, but in a way we "are who we are." Let's hope offseason we find a way to re-sign Cousins and bolster the defense. Aren't we in decent cap position?
Arizona 6 of 10 on third downs. I haven't looked at the stats, but I swear most of them were 3-6 or longer, and there were at least a few 3-10+ thrown in there.
Offense got going well in second half but redzone problems resulted in two FGs in first half, with lots of points left on board.
I agree with the general sentiment that the team is actually getting better. We are better than last year, even though the playoffs are uncertain. At the same time, we seriously need a boost on the defensive side of the ball, particularly up front to stop the run and generate a pass rush with the front four.
Disappointing loss, but in a way we "are who we are." Let's hope offseason we find a way to re-sign Cousins and bolster the defense. Aren't we in decent cap position?
Maybe they needed to hear it. Arians called out his team last week and look what happened. :(
Talk of moving Trent Williams to guard after he returns:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/12/05/trent-williams-returns-and-so-does-the-debate-over-moving-him-to-left-guard/?utm_term=.fd7a5eef9f72
What are your thoughts on this? It may be worth a try.
Other thoughts about the last four games. Tampa's final four opponents are: Saints (twice), Dallas, Panthers. I feel they will win two of those games most likely (Panthers, then split with NO), and *could* win three, with Dallas being the lone exception. That means the Redskins MUST win 3 games minimum and *may* need to win out. Our schedule: Philly, NYG, Carolina, Bears. Thank God we have our toughest opponent (NYG) at home. It's going to be tough sledding, but not impossible.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/12/05/trent-williams-returns-and-so-does-the-debate-over-moving-him-to-left-guard/?utm_term=.fd7a5eef9f72
What are your thoughts on this? It may be worth a try.
Other thoughts about the last four games. Tampa's final four opponents are: Saints (twice), Dallas, Panthers. I feel they will win two of those games most likely (Panthers, then split with NO), and *could* win three, with Dallas being the lone exception. That means the Redskins MUST win 3 games minimum and *may* need to win out. Our schedule: Philly, NYG, Carolina, Bears. Thank God we have our toughest opponent (NYG) at home. It's going to be tough sledding, but not impossible.
Ty Nseke has played well at LT but I don't think he's ever played G before so it's doubtful he'd be as effective if they moved him over. Williams has played G before and they are a bit beat up at G so having him slide over would probably put the best OL unit out there.
ETA: After last night Carolina doesn't look very with it this year. They take their lead from Newton and he does not seem to take losing very well.
Philly is banged up especially at WR and Wentz and Pederson are looking like rookies, looks like we're getting them at a very good time
Saints game should be a shoot out, it'll depend on who makes an inopportune mistake.
The Bears are The Bears and that should be a win, but they can run the ball witch can be effective against The Redskins.
It'll be tough, but they'll have a very good chance to win at least 3 out of 4, and should probably win each game left.
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nittanylion
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Far from ideal...but it's one for the win column, and a road win at that. A sweep of the Eagles, and while not quite the final nail in their coffin, that lid's on pretty tight. 7-5-1. Don't necessarily like how we've gotten here, but we're now within the 7-9 / 9-7 window that it seems like the majority of prognosticators pegged us for. Three games to go, two completely winnable, and the toughest one being the Season Finale at home vs the G-Men, who played better than they are and found a way to win tonight vs Dallas. Count me firmly in the camp of: if they can find a way to beat the Cowboys in NY, we can find a way to beat the Giants in Landover...however, I'm nowhere near completely sold that the 'skins can win those winnable games vs Panthers and @ Bears...
...as an aside, given the 'skins recent history, I've grown to dislike the Bucs and Seahawks almost as much as our Division Rivals. It's probably going to take 10-5-1 to accomplish it, but considering that it's now mathematically impossible for us to catch the Cowboys, that tie will taste a lot better if it's what winds up getting us in at the Bucs expense.
Week 15 is critical: we host the disappointing Panthers, while the red-hot Bucs travel to Dallas, where it's likely their streak comes to an end. Come 12/20, I think the only way we're still in the conversation is if we're 8-5-1 and the Bucs are at 8-6. They finish with @ Saints and vs Panthers (we're both on the road in Week 16, where unexpected things can happen), so our realistic chance to make up that half game and have Week 17 mean something comes down to the final two games of this upcoming week.
Love the flex schedule: SNF Buccaneers @ Cowboys, MNF Panthers @ Redskins...for us, it's going to be a helluva way to wind up the week!
...as an aside, given the 'skins recent history, I've grown to dislike the Bucs and Seahawks almost as much as our Division Rivals. It's probably going to take 10-5-1 to accomplish it, but considering that it's now mathematically impossible for us to catch the Cowboys, that tie will taste a lot better if it's what winds up getting us in at the Bucs expense.
Week 15 is critical: we host the disappointing Panthers, while the red-hot Bucs travel to Dallas, where it's likely their streak comes to an end. Come 12/20, I think the only way we're still in the conversation is if we're 8-5-1 and the Bucs are at 8-6. They finish with @ Saints and vs Panthers (we're both on the road in Week 16, where unexpected things can happen), so our realistic chance to make up that half game and have Week 17 mean something comes down to the final two games of this upcoming week.
Love the flex schedule: SNF Buccaneers @ Cowboys, MNF Panthers @ Redskins...for us, it's going to be a helluva way to wind up the week!
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MattFancy
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Wasn't a pretty win yesterday, but I'll take it at this point. The race is really tightening up with Minnesota and Green Bay winning yesterday too. We need to take care of business the next 2 weeks since they are both very winnable games. The Giants game to end the season may not mean anything for the Giants. They could already have the #5 spot locked up and may rest some guys, which would be nice.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
I think we will not get a spot. however, if we do, that will have likely meant we either are playing a little better on defense and maybe fixed our redzone woes. Im not convinced we do to both but the NFC is as wide open as its been going into the post season. Look forward to see how this thing plays out.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I will never understand Joe Barry's decisions in crunch time. The defensive play calls on that last drive until the Kerrigan sack were really bad He dialed up no pressure on a rookie QB with no WR talent and with no Sproles to bail him out.. I think he sent one extra on the Kerrigan sack. I know there's a lack of talent at many positions on D, but you can't let them go 50 yards in 25 seconds by sitting in a loose zone and rushing 4 players. Kerrigan, and to a lesser extent Francois, bailed Barry out in those last 5-10 minutes with some very nice individual efforts.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I haven't figured out Joe Barry at all. His coverages and lack of blitzes make no sense to me. I remember it was midway through the 4th and the Eagles had 3rd and 14. Instead of bringing pressure or at last playing the corners tight, before the snap, the entire back 7 of the defense dropped back at least 4 or 5 yards. And shocker, the Eagles got 13yds and had an easy 4th down conversion. I just don't get it.
SeanTaylor21
Footballguy
Never thought I'd say that we desperately need Will Compton back... but we do. Su'a as well. It was clear that we could not put an ILB on Zach Ertz or Trey Burton as they were able to feast most of the game. A win is a win, so can't complain too much other than in agreement that Barry seems to be backwards sometimes in play calls. Also, I'd like to think SOMETIME we'll get off the field on 3rd downs.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Greg Olsen will be the "start of the week" on ff sites. Monday will be a tough game.
So what is the status of Compton and Cravens this week? I agree with the above comment that they are critical pieces this Monday night if the Redskins hope to compete. I don't really worry heavily over Newton's passing this weekend, but I really fear his running, particularly on third downs. I think using someone like Cravens as a "spy" on Newton could be an effective strategy. Of course that would reply upon Joe Barry actually coming up with some sort of effective defensive scheme.
Not anymore. Cravens ruled out, Compton doubtful.
http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/CARvsWAS-Injury-Report-Sua-Cravens-Out-Will-Compton-Doubtful/40f5c98b-af3b-4a23-afd7-f8bdfc8eb590
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
So..... who's rooting for Dallas?
I'm rooting for Dallas big time so we can sneak in the playoffs and ruin your magical season!So..... who's rooting for Dallas?
Tough break for the Skins. At least we have Joe Barry to scheme around these losses. OK, I almost kept a straight face writing that.
Next man up...
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
The Cowboys aren't winning the SB with this defense. What sucks is anything short of a SB win will be considered a OMGtHeYCH0K3d in today's media world.I'm rooting for Dallas big time so we can sneak in the playoffs and ruin your magical season!
dgreen
Footballguy
I tried to root for them, but just didn't feel right. I'm happy, though, that the Redskins have a shot to get back into wildcard position tomorrow night.So..... who's rooting for Dallas?
What are your gut feelings die hard Redskins fans on Reed tomorrow night? Does he play a full compliment of snaps or give way most of the game to Davis? I need 15 pts out of him in a 1 pt ppr and I have both Reed and Davis. Any strong insight? I only have info that Rotoworld puts out there.
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Well, they are not a lock by any means but they honestly have as good a chance as anyone. The next strongest team in the NFC I think is Seattle and they have shown lots of vulnerability this season. In the AFC you have the Patriots of course, but it's not like anyone is "unbeatable" and the Cowboys have the type of ball control potential that if they controlled the clock and limited the opponent's chances, they certainly have a shot against anyone.
Anyway, I'm glad you all won. Now, amazingly after all our ups and downs. the Redskins control our own destiny. True, we'd have to win three straight, but it's better than having to beg for help from week to week. That starts tonight vs. Carolina which I really think it's going to be a tough game. I think our offense will basically have to score a ton of points. Newton hasn't been on fire through the air this year but with the Redskins D such that it is, I imagine him to run for many, many third down conversions tonight. Gotta hope the Skins score a ton, then give up FGs. vs. TDs to eek out a win. If they can get by Carolina and make it a two game season, things will start to look a little more doable...
Hope we see you in the second round, right after Wild Card round!
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
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I want nothing to do with playing the Skins or Giants again.
Reed is a beast but I think starting him this week is a risk, because while he's clearly the Redskins # 1 receiving threat, they do have other options they can go to in a pinch.
From a FFL perspective, I think it all comes down to your alternatives and your risk tolerance. A key question would be: who would you start if you did not start Reed? If the answer is Davis, then I would go with Reed, since he is the clear starter tonight. Also, is this a TE slot or a flex slot where you would have other options?
I guess my knee jerk to you would be that he's capable of getting 15 so if it's just him vs. Davis as your choice, I'd roll with him. But it's a significant risk -- he was limited ALL week -- so if you have other alternatives I would think about them.
Thanks for the input. I guess I'll roll with Reed. I wonder how good he can block and if he can't how much will he play.
nittanylion
Footballguy
This 2016 version of the Panthers is a mess. Cam Newton is a mess. I'm fairly certain that if we punch them in the mouth right out of the gate, it's going to take the fight right out of them. Too bad it's not going to be colder. Cold is very demoralizing. Anything would help.
Jordan Reed is not on this team, and not on the field, to block. His blocking ability (or lack thereof), has nothing to do with his snap count. His PT will have everything to do with pain tolerance, and nothing else. It being MNF, unless you're flexing and have other Panthers or Redskins, it sounds like your solitary lineup decision is Reed vs Davis. Without giving away $ content, Dodds' PPR rankings, which are adjusted right up to game day, and take into account Reed's questionable tag, have Reed ranked on the high end of starting TE, while Davis is on the low end of TE2, and consider this to be a great matchup for the Redskins passing game. Reed didn't play in Week 13, was limited in Week 14, MNF gives him 1 more day to heal...he should be 'more ready' this week. Davis is going to get snaps, and be productive with them, whether Reed is healthy or not. It's just the nature of the offense. Getting 15 points in 1PPR, you're likely going to need a TD...either one could do that (5/50/1), even with both healthy...tough spot. Thanks to injuries, I was rowing a similar boat at RB2 with AP/McKinnon yesterday (ugh). Since anything less than 15 makes you a loser, if Reed plays, you go with the more dynamic guy with the higher ceiling (Reed), and hope for the best...good luck!
Jordan Reed is not on this team, and not on the field, to block. His blocking ability (or lack thereof), has nothing to do with his snap count. His PT will have everything to do with pain tolerance, and nothing else. It being MNF, unless you're flexing and have other Panthers or Redskins, it sounds like your solitary lineup decision is Reed vs Davis. Without giving away $ content, Dodds' PPR rankings, which are adjusted right up to game day, and take into account Reed's questionable tag, have Reed ranked on the high end of starting TE, while Davis is on the low end of TE2, and consider this to be a great matchup for the Redskins passing game. Reed didn't play in Week 13, was limited in Week 14, MNF gives him 1 more day to heal...he should be 'more ready' this week. Davis is going to get snaps, and be productive with them, whether Reed is healthy or not. It's just the nature of the offense. Getting 15 points in 1PPR, you're likely going to need a TD...either one could do that (5/50/1), even with both healthy...tough spot. Thanks to injuries, I was rowing a similar boat at RB2 with AP/McKinnon yesterday (ugh). Since anything less than 15 makes you a loser, if Reed plays, you go with the more dynamic guy with the higher ceiling (Reed), and hope for the best...good luck!
Dude, I hope you are right, but when has this Washington Redskins team ever put their foot on someone's throat and put the game away early? Even our "decisive wins" like vs. Green Bay seem to be in doubt late in the game. I would love to think we could punch them in the mouth and make them quit but more likely I think we're going to be in a dog fight as usual. Hopefully we can make the plays at the end to get the victory. I certainly think we can do it; hopefully we'll execute when the decisive moment is there.nittanylion said:
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Yea sadly this is our(one of) main issue. We could be up by 30 and i would not feel comfortable. sad but true.
From Rotoworld:
Panthers MLB Luke Kuechly will be inactive for Monday night's Week 15 game against the Redskins.
Kuechly has cleared the concussion protocol, but the Panthers are taking a "long-term view" with their star middle linebacker. Carolina is out of the playoff picture, so there's no reason to push Kuechly back on the field after two concussions this year. A.J. Klein will continue to start at MIKE linebacker. Dec 19 - 6:08 PM
Panthers MLB Luke Kuechly will be inactive for Monday night's Week 15 game against the Redskins.
Kuechly has cleared the concussion protocol, but the Panthers are taking a "long-term view" with their star middle linebacker. Carolina is out of the playoff picture, so there's no reason to push Kuechly back on the field after two concussions this year. A.J. Klein will continue to start at MIKE linebacker. Dec 19 - 6:08 PM
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
DallasDMac
Footballguy
This is not a playoff caliber team. Tonight showing they have a long way to go.
Well duh. This year they're everything a team rebuilding should look like. They're getting close though, really need another play maker on defense.
