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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (5 Viewers)

Deebo Samuel did not practice Wednesday

Wednesday practice
Wide receiver Terry McLaurin - limited participant
Deebo Samuel - non-participant due to the heel injury that has been bothering him in recent weeks
Defensive end Dorrance Armstrong - DNP (hamstring)
tight end John Bates - DNP (rest)
tight end Zach Ertz - DNP (rest, shoulder)
defensive end Drake Johnson - DNP (knee)
defensive tackle Javon Kinlaw - DNP (rest)
edge rusher Von Miller - DNP (rest)
defensive tackle Daron Payne - DNP (rest)
running back Chris Rodriguez - DNP (calf)
left tackle Laremy Tunsil - DNP (rest)
linebacker Bobby Wagner - DNP (rest)
Guard Sam Cosmi (knee) - full
quarterback Jayden Daniels (knee) - full
Jonathan Jones (hamstring) - full
 
Former Commander Charles Leno retired.

Former NFL offensive lineman Charles Leno Jr. announced his retirement on Tuesday. His announcement came two years to the day after his wife, Jen, miscarried their fourth daughter, Paitynn, at the exact time (2:46 p.m.). Leno learned of her miscarriage while he was in Atlanta for a Commanders game against the Falcons. He did not play.

“That day changed everything for me,” Leno wrote in an Instagram post. “It changed the way I see life, the way I carry myself and most of all, it changed what matters most to me.”
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fatness said:
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I still don't get the Riggins 20 something unleashing furies of blows against what appears to be a 60 year old dude. He waits until people are occupied and whales away with cheap shots. Need the whole story to see who else is at fault, but I hope Riggo boy never sees an NFL game again regardless of the reasons.
 
Brunell4MVP said:
fatness said:
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I still don't get the Riggins 20 something unleashing furies of blows against what appears to be a 60 year old dude. He waits until people are occupied and whales away with cheap shots. Need the whole story to see who else is at fault, but I hope Riggo boy never sees an NFL game again regardless of the reasons.
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I think the older guy was holding down and pounding on another guy for awhile before the Riggins guy joined in .
Pretty sure the story is "drunk people"
 
Of all the reasons I do not go to sports events, drunk and rude behavior is #1. And it's not close. It's far and away #1. It's not the parking, or prices, or effort required, or slow pace of games from commercial breaks.

I was at a VT game last year. Fight broke out in the line into the stadium from a 6'6" 280 pound hulk of a man deciding he was gonna do whatever he wanted and plowed through people to get ahead. Someone tried to stop him and hell ensued for a lot of people. Security ... nowhere to be seen for the 15 minutes it went on.

Last Wiz game I went to a dude puked all over the people in front of him. Then passed out. Security did nothing. Dude laid there and the vomit victims cleaned off and moved seats. Nothing from stadium personnel. Plus constant cursing. All it takes is a couple of loudmouths and staff don't seem to care.

Capitals and Nats games seem to be better. Caps fans are so into it they want to watch the game. Nats fans are likely bored and resting in the sun.

DC United games tend to get crazy, but it's a fun crazy. Usually smoke bombs and chants. Definitely some drunks but it rarely spills outside of their circle.

Vids like this make me happy to stay home. Maybe a team should try a sober day. They can still sell NA beers if they need something to mark up 800%. Bet lots of families would come.
 
Jayden Daniels and the Commanders are running out of receivers due to rash of injuries

So now the Commanders wade into Week 7 facing the very real possibility of missing their three top receivers, which would leave them with:
• Luke McCaffrey, an emerging receiver and kick returner who started playing the position only three years ago;
• Jaylin Lane, a speedy rookie who also doubles as a returner;
• Chris Moore, a journeyman receiver who caught his first touchdown in three years last Sunday;
• And five practice-squad players: Robbie Chosen, the wideout formerly known as Robby Anderson, who has five catches over the last two years; Tay Martin; Ja’Corey Brooks; Jacoby Jones; and the newest addition, Treylon Burks, a 2022 first-round pick who underwent ACL surgery late last year and suffered a fractured collarbone in July.
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After losing to the Chiefs 28-7, a score that fairly reflected the play of both teams, the Commanders are 3-5.
There is a decent chance they will lose 3 of their next 4 games, which would put them at 4-8.
It's fair right now to start looking at the roster, which isn't looking as good as we thought it would.
It's fair right now to start looking at the work of both coordinators, Kingsbury and Whitt, whose units keep under-performing. The defense is just lost at times, not generating enough pass rush while defenders are just not covering opponents' receivers far too often. The offense runs too many runs right into the center of the line for no gain, and throws too many passes to receivers at or near the line of scrimmage.
 
ffmail4me said:
I think both Cliff and Whitt need to be replaced this offseason. :wall:
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So are you suggesting this is a scheme problem and not a personnel problem?

The Commanders did absolutely nothing to improve the defense from last season. Considering the offense was 4th in points per possession last year, even a minor regression when factoring in that defense will spell doom.
 
Snotbubbles said:
ffmail4me said:
I think both Cliff and Whitt need to be replaced this offseason. :wall:
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So are you suggesting this is a scheme problem and not a personnel problem?

The Commanders did absolutely nothing to improve the defense from last season. Considering the offense was 4th in points per possession last year, even a minor regression when factoring in that defense will spell doom.
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at least on offense, yes. Now I acknowledge injuries and lack of depth on the defensive side of the ball are a big part of the defensive struggles.
 
I watched some highlights of the KC game and good god their pass rush looked anemic against the Chiefs. Worse than anemic, at times it was almost comical, like a bunch of 6'3" inflatable figures getting moved around by Chiefs blockers. Worst of all was one play where a d-lineman (90 I believe) was tied up by 1 blocker so he tried a spin move. His spin move consisted of him standing in place spinning in a circle while being blocked. It was comically bad.

Injuries, a tougher schedule, not getting the breaks or plays that went their way last year, and age are all to blame right now.
And either personnel choices or coaching, or both.
 
I'm trying to figure out why, even with McLaurin and Deebo out, McCaffrey is still an afterthought. I thought coming into the league he was McConkey lite (similar not the same), surely decent enough to be a WR3 on that team. Seems like he gets one key catch a game and that is it. I've been so tempted to drop him in my dynasty leagues and taking a flyer on other guys that seem to have some sort of a chance at more opportunities. Can any Commanders fans shed light on what the issue is? Is it game plan? Is he just not that good? Doesn't make any sense...but then, it IS the NFL. :poop:
 
warpig33 said:
I'm trying to figure out why, even with McLaurin and Deebo out, McCaffrey is still an afterthought. I thought coming into the league he was McConkey lite (similar not the same), surely decent enough to be a WR3 on that team. Seems like he gets one key catch a game and that is it
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It's early in his career to say this, but I think you may have already seen his best. He's nowhere near McConkey in ability.
That might change in a different offense that has him running different assignments. But Kingsbury's set in his ways and doesn't seem to adapt well.
 
Ben Standig's article is pretty good: https://lastmanstandig.substack.com/p/reeling-commanders-cannot-escape

Nobody is surprised that the Washington Commanders lost to the Kansas City Chiefs on “Monday Night Football.” The reigning AFC champions, winners of three Super Bowls since 2019, usually find a way. With Patrick Mahomes throwing three touchdown passes in the second half, Kansas City turned a halftime tie into a one-sided 28-7 win. But that’s not the inevitability that stings most in Washington’s locker room.

Eight weeks into the season, the Commanders know precisely where they stand — not terrible, not hopeless, but unable to sustain anything that resembles winning football. Numerous players in and out of the lineup, including quarterback Jayden Daniels, haven’t helped. All led oddsmakers to peg Washington as double-digit underdogs. The big number also reflected the current disconnect.

Tight end Zach Ertz is among those who also recognize that with a 3-5 record, their margin for error over the final nine games has nearly vanished. “We’ve had just too many highs and lows,” Ertz said following Washington’s third consecutive loss and fourth in five games. “Just haven’t executed consistently enough in all three phases in a game. … I thought we had a really good week of practice, and I’m confident that if we continue to practice like we do, it’s gonna turn — but the clock is ticking, obviously.”
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QB Jayden Daniels, who left Sunday’s loss with his left arm immobilized, suffered a dislocated elbow and will have an MRI to determine how long he’s out, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday. He's expected to miss several games.
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WR Luke McCaffrey broke his collarbone in Washington's loss to Seattle, Rapoport and NFL Network Insiders Mike Garafolo and Tom Pelissero reported. McCaffrey will be placed on injured reserve and likely miss the remainder of the season.
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CB Marshon Lattimore is feared to have torn his ACL in Sunday night's defeat, Rapoport and Garafolo reported. Lattimore will undergo an MRI to confirm the injury.
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Daniels (probably), McCaffrey, and Lattimore gone for the season.

 
For what it's worth:

"Obviously, I'm just gutted by it, I'm just bummed," Washington coach Dan Quinn said. "We didn't have any read plays on it, and the one he was injured on is usually a run or a throw to the flat. It's not a scramble. It wasn't a designed read or play into that spot. If we run it 50 times, it's either a handoff or a throw 50 times."
 
We've got enough injuries now that we're back to the Bad Old Days, at least temporarily. The roster depth we hoped we had turns out to be mostly crummy. Daniels is likely out for the season, as is McCaffrey, as is Noah Brown. Seriously, if a team is talking about Luke McCaffrey and Noah Brown as critical contributors, that team is hurting at WR before the injuries.

Lattimore will likely never play for us again. They took a big chance trading for him and it didn't work.
 
Lattimore, whom the Commanders traded for almost exactly one year ago, is believed to have torn his ACL and will likely miss the remainder of the season, per NFL Network. With Lattimore nearly 30 years old, coming off two subpar seasons, and with a $18.5 million cap hit in 2026, many believe this will mark the end of his time in Washington.
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McCaffrey, selected by the Commanders in the third round of the 2024 NFL Draft, was spot-starting at wide receiver (with Terry McLaurin dealing with injuries) and fully starting at kick returner, contributing in every game this season. Unfortunately, on the opening kickoff in Week 9, he suffered a broken collarbone, and his season is most likely over.
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Several other players were injured in Week 9, including defensive tackle Eddie Goldman (concussion), corner Trey Amos (hip), and safety Quan Martin (hamstring). Their statuses will be updated by Washington throughout the week, with the first news likely coming on Wednesday’s practice report.
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https://www.prideofdetroit.com/detr...for-week-10-vs-lions-including-jayden-daniels
 
Frankie Luvu has been suspended for 1 game for repeated hip drop tackles. As he should be. **** that ****. Trying to injure players is just so far over the line that it's indescribable.
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NFL suspends Frankie Luvu for repeated hip-drop tackles

Luvu has performed three hip-drop tackles since Week 4.
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Luvu was fined $23,186 for a hip-drop tackle in Week 4 against the Falcons and $46,372 for a hip-drop tackle last Monday night against the Chiefs.
The rulebook state, “It is a foul if a player uses the following technique to bring a runner to the ground: (a) grabs the runner with one or both hands or wraps the runner with both arms; and (b) unweights himself by swiveling and dropping his hips and/or lower body, landing on and/or trapping the runner’s leg(s) at or below the knee.”
All elements must be present for a hip-drop foul to occur.
He’ll miss Sunday’s game against the Lions, unless his appeal is successful. Any appeal would be determined by Derrick Brooks, Ramon Foster, or Jordy Nelson, the hearing officers jointly appointed and compensated by the NFL and the NFLPA to handle appeals of on-field discipline.
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Over the past calendar year, Luvu was fined three separate times for executing an illegal hip-drop-tackle (including one against the Lions’ Jahmyr Gibbs in the NFCD Playoff game), with a fourth incident happening in Week 9. This is the NFL’s first suspension for this particular foul, and Luvu plans to appeal the suspension, according to NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero.
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www.prideofdetroit.com

Commanders lose multiple starters for Week 10 vs. Lions, including Jayden Daniels

The fallout from Week 9 has not been kind to the Washington Commanders, and it will impact the Detroit Lions.
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If the suspension holds, he would forfeit a game check worth $508,333. He also would miss Washington's home game against the Detroit Lions on Sunday, but he could return the following week when the Commanders play the Miami Dolphins in Madrid.
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Commanders' Luvu suspended for hip-drop tackles

Washington Commanders linebacker Frankie Luvu was suspended without pay for one game after repeated violations of the rule against hip-drop tackles.
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Good article by Ben Standig

The Jayden Daniels Timeline​

Last year’s magical ride to the NFC Championship Game provided a thrilling detour from decades of frustration. It also masked a roster still short on depth and long-term solutions. To bridge that gap, General Manager Adam Peters loaded up on experienced veterans and short-term contracts — moves that worked swimmingly in 2024 but look far less clever amid a 3-6 start and a locker room running low on healthy bodies.

Yes, Washington already has more losses in nine games than it did in 17 last year. But the bigger issue is structural. The Commanders have just six picks in the 2026 NFL Draft — only two in the first four rounds — after trading their second- and fourth-rounders to Houston for left tackle Laremy Tunsil. They also rank near the bottom of the league in players under contract for 2026, leaving a thin foundation around the 24-year-old franchise quarterback.

That lack of draft capital and controllable young talent complicates any pivot toward a youth movement. The Commanders aren’t just short on wins — they’re short on building blocks. Finding more pieces to add around and grow with Daniels is critical, especially with only one season remaining before he becomes extension-eligible in 2027.

Head coach Dan Quinn on Monday said the focus remains on winning football rather than turning the lineup over to younger players. Not that there are many of them. In terms of core help from players age 27 and younger, the list is short: OG Sam Cosmi, OT Josh Conerly Jr., CB Trey Amos, CB Mike Sainristil, S Quan Martin, C Tyler Biadasz and TE John Bates.

Sainristil and Martin’s place on this list is more tenuous compared to the start of the season, but let’s see if the recent second-round picks reaffirm their building block status. The first-round investment and his athletic gifts give Conerly a judgment-free zone as he adjusts to the NFL. Others, like RB Jacory Croskey-Merritt, TE Ben Sinnott, OL Brandon Coleman, DT Johnny Newton, and LB Jordan Magee, need more reps to be included.
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fatness said:
Good article by Ben Standig

The Jayden Daniels Timeline​

Last year’s magical ride to the NFC Championship Game provided a thrilling detour from decades of frustration. It also masked a roster still short on depth and long-term solutions. To bridge that gap, General Manager Adam Peters loaded up on experienced veterans and short-term contracts — moves that worked swimmingly in 2024 but look far less clever amid a 3-6 start and a locker room running low on healthy bodies.

Yes, Washington already has more losses in nine games than it did in 17 last year. But the bigger issue is structural. The Commanders have just six picks in the 2026 NFL Draft — only two in the first four rounds — after trading their second- and fourth-rounders to Houston for left tackle Laremy Tunsil. They also rank near the bottom of the league in players under contract for 2026, leaving a thin foundation around the 24-year-old franchise quarterback.

That lack of draft capital and controllable young talent complicates any pivot toward a youth movement. The Commanders aren’t just short on wins — they’re short on building blocks. Finding more pieces to add around and grow with Daniels is critical, especially with only one season remaining before he becomes extension-eligible in 2027.

Head coach Dan Quinn on Monday said the focus remains on winning football rather than turning the lineup over to younger players. Not that there are many of them. In terms of core help from players age 27 and younger, the list is short: OG Sam Cosmi, OT Josh Conerly Jr., CB Trey Amos, CB Mike Sainristil, S Quan Martin, C Tyler Biadasz and TE John Bates.

Sainristil and Martin’s place on this list is more tenuous compared to the start of the season, but let’s see if the recent second-round picks reaffirm their building block status. The first-round investment and his athletic gifts give Conerly a judgment-free zone as he adjusts to the NFL. Others, like RB Jacory Croskey-Merritt, TE Ben Sinnott, OL Brandon Coleman, DT Johnny Newton, and LB Jordan Magee, need more reps to be included.
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The Commanders should be trading anyone and everyone who they don't see in a 3 year plan.

Deebo Samuel, Bobby Wagner, Zach Ertz, Von Miller, go get draft picks.
 
Looks like no deals are being made. I guess that means we either don’t have any players that anyone wants or the team still thinks they have a chance. Or I guess another option is that they think their players are part of the future.
 
dgreen said:
Looks like no deals are being made. I guess that means we either don’t have any players that anyone wants or the team still thinks they have a chance. Or I guess another option is that they think their players are part of the future.
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They were talking to other teams about moves, but couldn't agree on compensation from what I understand. Same as a lot of teams and a lot of players. We're not in a fire sale situation like the Jets were; we made it to the NFC championship game last year, not 10 years ago. Last year the team played over its head, had a soft schedule, and caught nearly all the breaks. This year is the opposite. The answer to how good the team is lies in between those 2 extremes.

I don't think a team is wise to get rid of a bunch of players for paltry compensation just because their QB dislocated his non-throwing elbow.
 
fatness said:
Frankie Luvu has been suspended for 1 game for repeated hip drop tackles. As he should be. **** that ****. Trying to injure players is just so far over the line that it's indescribable.
www.nbcsports.com

NFL suspends Frankie Luvu for repeated hip-drop tackles

Luvu has performed three hip-drop tackles since Week 4.
www.nbcsports.com www.nbcsports.com

Luvu was fined $23,186 for a hip-drop tackle in Week 4 against the Falcons and $46,372 for a hip-drop tackle last Monday night against the Chiefs.
The rulebook state, “It is a foul if a player uses the following technique to bring a runner to the ground: (a) grabs the runner with one or both hands or wraps the runner with both arms; and (b) unweights himself by swiveling and dropping his hips and/or lower body, landing on and/or trapping the runner’s leg(s) at or below the knee.”
All elements must be present for a hip-drop foul to occur.
He’ll miss Sunday’s game against the Lions, unless his appeal is successful. Any appeal would be determined by Derrick Brooks, Ramon Foster, or Jordy Nelson, the hearing officers jointly appointed and compensated by the NFL and the NFLPA to handle appeals of on-field discipline.
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Washington Commanders linebacker Frankie Luvu is eligible to play Sunday against the Detroit Lions after his one-game suspension was reduced to a $100,000 fine upon appeal, the NFL announced Tuesday night. Hearing officer Derrick Brooks oversaw Luvu's appeal.
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Any homers have any insight on Burks? I saw where he was in on 70% route participation last week (or thereabouts) even after just recently being added. He had 1 reception for 14 yards and amazingly...I don't think he was hurt during/after the catch! With all the injuries, does he have a chance to stick? I bashed this guy every year he was in TEN. Maybe the change of scenery will do him some good? He does seem EXTREMELY soft for as big as he is. Hoping he's grown some and is humbled after being cut.
 
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Any homers have any insight on Burks? I saw where he was in on 70% route participation last week (or thereabouts) even after just recently being added. He had 1 reception for 14 yards and amazingly...I don't think he was hurt during/after the catch! With all the injuries, does he have a chance to stick? I bashed this guy every year he was in TEN. Maybe the change of scenery will do him some good? He does seem EXTREMELY soft for as big as he is. Hoping he's grown some and is humbled after being cut.
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I thought I saw him wince like he was hurt somehow on that catch. He seemed fine later but I thought at the time that's not surprising for him.
 
Well, the good news is 3 teams with a worse record than us won today (Dolphins, Saints, and Jets) so maybe we can end up with an even better draft spot after we lose all the games left on our schedule. I'm not sure I'd let Daniels take another snap behind this line and with the lack of healthy play makers. I hope we spend a lot of money in free agency next year because good lord we have a TON of needs. :bag:
 
Did not watch the game. Everything this year is about what one would expect. As fatness said ... we got all the breaks last year. None this year. Both years the roster has been that of a 7-10 team.

I gave Peters props last year. But in retorspect he has missed more than he has hit.

1) He should have traded Terry if he had a chance. If trades weren't available, he should gave made him play out his contract. I think Peters gave into the fans/media rather than executing a solid game plan on this one. I knew this was going to go poorly. he's older, also held out last contract, and missed camp. All adds up to overpay.

2) Peters drafts have not worked out well. And I obvi say this with the benefit of hindsight. Daniels/Maye was easy ... both are good. He picked correctly in my mind. But he was in a can't miss situation there. Any of us could pull the trigger on that. And Sanristil worked out. But the misses ... Newton, Sinnott, Coleman, McCaffrey, Connerly, Amos, Lane ... nothing much to show for those picks. Maybe long term, but not before their rookie ontracts end.

3) His trade for Lattimore was clearly a move made because they overachieved last year and he hoped it would get them to the SB. It backfired. Lattimore stinks and added nothing to the SB run last year.

4) the defense is no bueno. It's really, really bad. And it is not a coaching issue. It's a talent issue. Chinn and others are sorely missed.

5) he seems to use free agency to get players he already has relationships with. We crushed Rivera for it. Seems very similar the last two years. Debo, other SF and SEA players, etc


I am rooting for Peters. He is a good man for the job. But we need to see way more success in FA and draft the next two years.
 
Things I see wrong:

Offense
Offensive line gets blown away most of the time. Pockets collapse quickly, holes for RB's don't open, there's no push, they seem confused about blocking assignments at times.
There are no real WR's except Deebo. Nobody gets open on most plays, leading to QB delay throwing from a collapsing pocket.

Defense
Miserable pass coverage. DB's and LB's look baffled about assignments and actually, you know, covering someone. Opponents treat our back 7 like a slalom in skiing --- all they have to do is run between our defenders who remain mostly stationary.
Our LB's cannot cover receivers. At all.
Defensive line gets no push, and is usually trying to shed blocks so they can chase RB's who just ran past them.

Personnel
We're a bottom half of the league team as far as personnel goes. I'd say the roster is actually worse than last year. They let some players go and replaced them with someone worse. And we only have 5 draft picks.

Needs
Defensive line. Remember when we had one that was kinda good? It keeps getting worse.
LB. Wagner is a great leader on the field but he can't cover anyone any more. Luvu had his big year last year and now is middling, with a bunch of unnecessary penalties thrown in.
Defensive coordinator. Those players on the field don't know what they're supposed to be doing too much of the time. That falls on coaching.
Offensive line. Still too weak in the middle (G-C-G).
Receivers. I've seen other teams with receivers who run "patterns" and who actually catch footballs. Why can't we do that too? Losing McLaurin was a big blow, bigger than I think we're realizing, but there should be functional guys who can step in and run "patterns" and can "get open" and catch footballs. Really, other teams do this. Why can't we?
I could go on like a blister in the sun but I'll stop there.
 
I will never get off this podium, Ron Rivera in 5 years did as much damage to this team/roster/depth than any coach in my lifetime (and I've been a Skins fan since the 70s) Just go look at his draft picks. Its pitiful, and it's why this roster is so depleted of talent and youth. So they had no choice but to bring in a bunch of over the hill free agents to field a team. This rebuild is going to take a lot longer than we want to admit unless they just have a masterclass of free agent signings next year (but we need youth not long in the tooth!)
 
fatness said:
Things I see wrong:

Offense
Offensive line gets blown away most of the time. Pockets collapse quickly, holes for RB's don't open, there's no push, they seem confused about blocking assignments at times.
There are no real WR's except Deebo. Nobody gets open on most plays, leading to QB delay throwing from a collapsing pocket.

Defense
Miserable pass coverage. DB's and LB's look baffled about assignments and actually, you know, covering someone. Opponents treat our back 7 like a slalom in skiing --- all they have to do is run between our defenders who remain mostly stationary.
Our LB's cannot cover receivers. At all.
Defensive line gets no push, and is usually trying to shed blocks so they can chase RB's who just ran past them.

Personnel
We're a bottom half of the league team as far as personnel goes. I'd say the roster is actually worse than last year. They let some players go and replaced them with someone worse. And we only have 5 draft picks.

Needs
Defensive line. Remember when we had one that was kinda good? It keeps getting worse.
LB. Wagner is a great leader on the field but he can't cover anyone any more. Luvu had his big year last year and now is middling, with a bunch of unnecessary penalties thrown in.
Defensive coordinator. Those players on the field don't know what they're supposed to be doing too much of the time. That falls on coaching.
Offensive line. Still too weak in the middle (G-C-G).
Receivers. I've seen other teams with receivers who run "patterns" and who actually catch footballs. Why can't we do that too? Losing McLaurin was a big blow, bigger than I think we're realizing, but there should be functional guys who can step in and run "patterns" and can "get open" and catch footballs. Really, other teams do this. Why can't we?
I could go on like a blister in the sun but I'll stop there.
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You are correct with everything. Its just pitiful how far this team has fallen, and we are stuck with one of the oldest rosters in the league, without much draft capitol to fix it. Have to pray there are some decent free agents next year that aren't old and declining.
 
fatness said:
Things I see wrong:

Offense
Offensive line gets blown away most of the time. Pockets collapse quickly, holes for RB's don't open, there's no push, they seem confused about blocking assignments at times.
There are no real WR's except Deebo. Nobody gets open on most plays, leading to QB delay throwing from a collapsing pocket.
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There was a play late in the game yesterday where Bill had multiple defenders hitting him a yard in the backfield as 4 Commanders linemen/TEs were all laying on the ground.

Defense
Miserable pass coverage. DB's and LB's look baffled about assignments and actually, you know, covering someone. Opponents treat our back 7 like a slalom in skiing --- all they have to do is run between our defenders who remain mostly stationary.
Our LB's cannot cover receivers. At all.
Defensive line gets no push, and is usually trying to shed blocks so they can chase RB's who just ran past them.
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It's pretty baffling how bad this defense is. It doesn't matter what they do. Whether it's man or zone, four-man rush or a blitz, receivers are running free. So many times there's no defender on the screen when the ball reaches a receiver. And, yet again, we saw a play yesterday where two defenders run into each other allowing a receiver to go uncovered.

It's been since the first quarter of the KC game that this defense made a stop on a meaningful drive. They had an INT against Seattle in the third quarter, but it was 31-7 at that point. A typical drive seems to have plays gaining: 12, 15, 7, 20, 8, 15. No resistance at all. It's a total mess.

Quinn is taking over defensive play calling. We'll see if that changes anything.
 
ffmail4me said:
fatness said:
Things I see wrong:

Offense
Offensive line gets blown away most of the time. Pockets collapse quickly, holes for RB's don't open, there's no push, they seem confused about blocking assignments at times.
There are no real WR's except Deebo. Nobody gets open on most plays, leading to QB delay throwing from a collapsing pocket.

Defense
Miserable pass coverage. DB's and LB's look baffled about assignments and actually, you know, covering someone. Opponents treat our back 7 like a slalom in skiing --- all they have to do is run between our defenders who remain mostly stationary.
Our LB's cannot cover receivers. At all.
Defensive line gets no push, and is usually trying to shed blocks so they can chase RB's who just ran past them.

Personnel
We're a bottom half of the league team as far as personnel goes. I'd say the roster is actually worse than last year. They let some players go and replaced them with someone worse. And we only have 5 draft picks.

Needs
Defensive line. Remember when we had one that was kinda good? It keeps getting worse.
LB. Wagner is a great leader on the field but he can't cover anyone any more. Luvu had his big year last year and now is middling, with a bunch of unnecessary penalties thrown in.
Defensive coordinator. Those players on the field don't know what they're supposed to be doing too much of the time. That falls on coaching.
Offensive line. Still too weak in the middle (G-C-G).
Receivers. I've seen other teams with receivers who run "patterns" and who actually catch footballs. Why can't we do that too? Losing McLaurin was a big blow, bigger than I think we're realizing, but there should be functional guys who can step in and run "patterns" and can "get open" and catch footballs. Really, other teams do this. Why can't we?
I could go on like a blister in the sun but I'll stop there.
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You are correct with everything. Its just pitiful how far this team has fallen, and we are stuck with one of the oldest rosters in the league, without much draft capitol to fix it. Have to pray there are some decent free agents next year that aren't old and declining.
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I think a lot of the older guys will be FAs after this year.
 
dgreen said:
Quinn is taking over defensive play calling. We'll see if that changes anything.
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We'll see if that helps. To me it's just the first step of sending Whitt out the door. I don't think the issue is as simple as players being well-coached, just the wrong plays being called.

Dan Quinn takes over defensive play-calling from Joe Whitt Jr.

Quinn announced in his Monday news conference that he will be taking over defensive play-calling from coordinator Joe Whitt. Whitt will remain with the team, serving alongside Quinn on the defensive staff. But Quinn will be handling Washington’s defensive coordinator duties moving forward.
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