E-Z Glider
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This team needs a leadoff hitter more than it needs Espinosa's BABIP correction at the bottom of the lineup. Give the kid a shot.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I agree, but I just think it's a closer call than people are making it out to be.
The bigger problem IMO is Revere. You can tolerate meh CF play if a guy is putting the ball in play every time up, getting on base 35% of the time and wreaking havoc on the basepaths, but Revere is doing none of those things. Although it's nice to see he's added "lazy fly ball to LF" to go with "ground ball to 2B" in his expanding offensive arsenal.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I can only guess that they are still worried about Turner's defense. If that's the case, extra time down in AAA to work on SS is probably better for him than learning CF.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
I hated the Revere trade at the time, but Storen has been bad anyway. Still no reason to trot him out there in the leadoff spot.
The dropoff at SS defense is a legit concern, but if he can get on base, he could fill a pretty big hole.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
The Washington Post just ran an article on Lombardozzi. His career really went down hill after being traded by the Nats. And now he is back with the organization.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Solid rotation guy, you're always happy to see his turn come up, but never going to be spectacular, nothing in his arsenal that makes your jaw drop. Sinker helps him limit big innings, which is probably his best weapon. The strikeout numbers are down this year, which concerns me a bit.
I don't think they would trade him. Historically the Nats/Rizzo have resisted the temptation to trade young talent for established stars. They haven't traded away a quality under 25 player or prospect since they moved Alex Meyer for Denard Span four years ago. That and the Gio Gonzalez trade are the only two times I can recall them ever doing it.
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Encyclopedia Brown
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
He had already finished his age 25 season when they traded him.
Anyway it's possible they trade Ross of course, just seems unlikely to me. Although they are apparently planning to go hard after the Yankees bullpen and he would make sense for them.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Baseball teams make trades all the time involving all sorts of players. Rizzo has a great track record on trading guys when their stock is high and buying low. It really depends on the players.
My one big question on Rizzo is that some of his moves have really disrupted team chemistry and player confidence. The Rafael Soriano signing and Palpelbon trade really messed with Storen and the bullpen.
My one big question on Rizzo is that some of his moves have really disrupted team chemistry and player confidence. The Rafael Soriano signing and Palpelbon trade really messed with Storen and the bullpen.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I'm not so sure about this narrative now that Storen's flaming out in Toronto too. The problem may have had a lot more to do with Storen's mental fortitude or even his ability level than with Rizzo undermining him.
That Storen-Revere trade is shaping up as one of the great lose-lose moves of all time.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Nats-Cubs games this year have been a blast. Shout out to the Mets for this brief losing spell allowing us to relax and enjoy the awesome matchup without having to stress about the division race for at least a couple days. Plenty of time for that starting this weekend when we head west and they get the Braves at home.
Interesting question raised on the Baseball in the District podcast: who would you be willing to deal for Andrew Miller? They talked most about a Taylor/Difo package, which seems like a no-brainer from our end and not nearly enough from the Yankees perspective. On the flip side I think it's safe to assume Giolito is off limits. What if it takes one of Turner, Ross or Robles though? Do you do it? I think I'd be OK with losing Ross, not so much the other two.
Interesting question raised on the Baseball in the District podcast: who would you be willing to deal for Andrew Miller? They talked most about a Taylor/Difo package, which seems like a no-brainer from our end and not nearly enough from the Yankees perspective. On the flip side I think it's safe to assume Giolito is off limits. What if it takes one of Turner, Ross or Robles though? Do you do it? I think I'd be OK with losing Ross, not so much the other two.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I wouldn't trade any of the three for Miller. Agree Ross is the one that I'd be most willing to trade, but they are going to need him to start in the playoffs, with Gio's regression in full swing. Not sure if there's a lesser prospect they could trade in a package, like Fedde or Cole, but not sure if that would be enough.
Speaking of trade proposals, Yankees fans are gems: https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/742802224485531649
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
But Papelbon's on the DL! Clearly we're in desperation mode.
Yeah, the downside to losing Ross this year is a little troublesome, especially if we assume Giolito won't be ready for a postseason start. But Miller's under contract for two more years, we're not gonna get him for cheap. I don't think a package highlighted by Fedde or Cole would do it. I'm thinking maybe Ross/Difo as the headliners. I like Ross, and I loathe trading young cost-controlled talent almost as much as Rizzo seems to, but he's such a good fit for the Yankees that he might get us something to put us over the top this year.
On the other hand if we only go 1-6 against this version of the Cubs with only one game against Arrieta and none against Lester maybe we shouldn't put too many eggs in the 2016 basket.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Maybe I'm overrating what I know (and underrating what I don't), but I'd take five more years of Ross ahead of Miller's two. But I'm also pretty low on relievers in general. Solis had a rough outing last night, but don't think the late lefty upgrade from Solis to Miller exceeds what they would lose from Ross.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I generally lean that way when it comes to the value of relief pitching too, but I'm open to the possibility that us sabermetric types might undervalue it a bit. I'm also trying to anticipate what I assume will be a big-time seller's market on relief pitching and Miller in particular. If they're not happy with their current options they'll have to do something. Obviously Chapman is the better fit because of the much lower price tag and his relationship with Dusty, but I'm trying not to think about having to root for that guy closing out games for my favorite team.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I've watched the MLB.com highlights from yesterday's game at least 7-8 times already this morning. What a game.
Big win ahead of a rough seven games on the west coast before their next day off, too. They've gotta be exhausted.
Big win ahead of a rough seven games on the west coast before their next day off, too. They've gotta be exhausted.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I used to want good things for the Padres. But I hope we sweep them and win the next three games by ten runs and then Wil Myers demands a trade as payback for this string of games with 10:10, 10:40(!) and 10:10 start times.
Miller would instantly be the best relief pitcher and closer. So think of Miller as the closer, Papelbon as a set or mid inning reliever. Solis role would not change with Miller on board.
Doctor Detroit
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Taylor can crush lefthanded pitching.
Doctor Detroit
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Dustydumb(tm) strikes again!!!! No way you leave Roark in after that second hit in the 8th. You have to bring Rivero in to turn Grandal around, it's just an awful decision that anyone with a functioning brain would make.
Get used to it, this is what he does.
ETA: I said out loud, "God dammit Dusty" when Grandal stepped up and he didn't make the change. It was sooooooooo easy to see what was gonna happen. I already follow a dumb team, I don't need this aggravation.
Get used to it, this is what he does.
ETA: I said out loud, "God dammit Dusty" when Grandal stepped up and he didn't make the change. It was sooooooooo easy to see what was gonna happen. I already follow a dumb team, I don't need this aggravation.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
If nothing else I appreciate that they've chosen the later innings of games on a west coast road trip for the current crisis. Almost none of us have had to watch it. I was a little annoyed when I woke up to pee, checked my phone, and saw that they'd blown the game. But it still easily beats watching disaster unfold in real time. Hats off to Dusty and the bullpen for being so considerate in this respect.
I am not sure Rivero is going to be trusted with high leverage situations at this time. He has been really shaky of late. That would leave Oliver Perez or Sammy Solis if you want a lefty there.Doctor Detroit said:
No one has mentioned this, but Papalbon's injury and Rivero's slump have really left the Nat's bullpen very thin. Kelley, who was pitching the 7th inning, is now the interim closer, who they can't get to. It looks like a full blown committee for the set up role at this point.
Doctor Detroit
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Yeah good point, maybe not Rivero but I think a LHer of some sort was in order. I'm not even sure who was throwing but I thought they had said Rivero.
Agree on Papeldoosh, he's created a vacuum and the Nats pen has some issues. Baker leans heavy on his starters anyway, but probably doing more of that because of the injury. They are going to probably need to trade for some bullpen help. I don't think they need Chapman, I think they need a guy like Madsen or Rodney or some steady vet. Those guys and maybe another cheaper middle reliever of some sort (preferably a righty) would be great.
Doctor Detroit
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Double play ball that barely got by Espinosa, turns into a three base error on Taylor and a loss. Wow.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
The last week has been a helpful reminder that baseball is the worst and I should try to find a way to stop caring so much about it. Or at least that I should take a fistful of Advil PM when the Nats are on the West Coast so I don't end up staying up until 2 AM watching a horrible game.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Voth or Giolito Tuesday night?
As much as this team needs bullpen help, can't trade Joe Ross to get it. Just not enough starters depth and Gio isn't good and no one trusts Roark when it counts.
As much as this team needs bullpen help, can't trade Joe Ross to get it. Just not enough starters depth and Gio isn't good and no one trusts Roark when it counts.
Doctor Detroit
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They have plenty of chips to trade for bullpen help, they won't need to deal Ross.
Seven game losing streaks suck but if they were gonna have one, this recent stretch was probably the time for it. Long homestand coming, starting with the Mess.
Seven game losing streaks suck but if they were gonna have one, this recent stretch was probably the time for it. Long homestand coming, starting with the Mess.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
@chelsea_janes
Lucas Giolito will pitch tomorrow against the Mets, Dusty said.
Lucas Giolito will pitch tomorrow against the Mets, Dusty said.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Turner getting the start in CF tonight. I'm a bit surprised since I thought they felt he needed more work on his defense at SS, but I guess the road trip made them realize immediate help is needed.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I'm fine if they bring Turner up and put him in CF but if not I would rather see Michael Taylor play every day. If he's not then put him back in AAA and let him get ABs.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I guess Revere heard that Turner was starting in CF.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Maybe they can just move him around the Syracuse lineup as a motivational tool. First base tonight.
Doctor Detroit
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Happy Giolito Day!!!!!!
Doctor Detroit
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I hope FP doesn't wear jogging pants when he's around Danny Espinosa, having a boner every time you think about him could make it awkward.
Doctor Detroit
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This yellowhammer Giolito has is pretty sick. That and the easy 96 on the fastball and you can see why he's so highly rated. Walks probably are gonna be an issue for him early in his career but when this guy learns how to pitch he's gonna be elite.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Hey, can I get an update on current levels of concern regarding Scherzer and Matz?Sigh. Keep grasping at those straws. I'll be concerned over Degrom and Matz when you're concerned about Scherzer's 4 era. "But he's doing better now!"
The fact that Degrom is still dominating w/o striking guys out should scare you, not make you feel good.
If they had even a minuscule of concern over Matz, he wouldn't be sniffing the mound this Friday.
Lets be real, your offense is pathetic. It's anemic outside of 2 guys.
And Neil Walker will hit 50 just like Murph will hit .400
How about the relative regressions of Walker and Murphy?
Sorry guys, can't resist
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
GILDO!
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I don't remember saying the Nats wouldn't choke in October, or that they'd even make it to October. But sure, whatever turns you on.
Kinda disappointed though. I expected a little more
after all it's just a three game sweep. Hell the Mets get the Nats in Citi Field for four more next week, they could very easily trim two games off the lead in that series alone.TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Yeah this has occurred to me too. Pretty clear from his perspective that the benefits outweigh the costs.Hope Danny passes his drug test
