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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Nationals ongoing thread (3 Viewers)
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Don't disagree. An Adams/Reynolds platoon has been solid. Reynolds is 5-5 2 HR and 10 RBI tonight. Crazy
That last "hit" was a gift. I think that should have been an error.
But before yesterday Reynolds was hitting .164 since June 1 and an OPS of .491 and striking out like he always does. I would rather have Adams there FT.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
No Rendon, Turner, or Soto on All Star Team. Turner is in the final five fan vote.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
It seems hard to put any of them on the roster. Even with the Nats favoritism, I’d lean to Aguilar over Turner for the final spot.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Agreed on Aguilar. I thought Turner should be in over Story. I think Rendon was snubbed last year but can't argue Arenado or Suarez. Soto was just wishful thinking.
Turner doesn't deserve it. His numbers aren't that good. .257 in May and .267 in June. Only seven RBI in June? Everyone talks about speed, but he only has 10 stolen bases since May. He shouldn't even be in the last five player vote.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Turner has a higher fWAR and bWAR than Aguilar. Being a plus defensive shortstop is helpful.
Anyway, anyone going to the festivities next week? I'll be at the HR Derby on Monday, also hoping to get to the Fanfest with the kids. Less buzz around town than I expected, although its early and also the Nats pooping the bed this season puts a damper on things.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
PSA- if you're watching on Facebook Live and want to remove the comments and smileys and whatnot hold the cursor on the lower portion of the broadcast and some icons will pop up, including "turn quiet mode on." On a phone you can just swipe right to get rid of the comments.
I have no quick fixes for the Nationals hitting a string of popups and lazy fly balls after getting the leadoff runner on base every inning for the last three weeks.
I have no quick fixes for the Nationals hitting a string of popups and lazy fly balls after getting the leadoff runner on base every inning for the last three weeks.
First, there is more to baseball than fWAR and bWAR. Turner doesn't belong.
As for Fanfast, it is too damn expensive.
Epic Problem
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I think Turner has about 100 at bats more than Aguilar. Hard to deny Aguilar’s production as he’s leading the NL in OPS. I obviously would not go as far as posty in calling Trea undeserving, but Aguilar does seem the bigger snub to me.TobiasFunke said:
...I looked at tickets, but everything was about 3-5 times more expensive than my price point.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Brett Kavanaugh was bold enough to go into substantial debt for his Nats tickets and now he’s gonna be a Supreme Court Justice so
Don Quixote
Footballguy
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
HOT TAKE ALERT:
Last night was amazing but it's probably not as cool without the Caps. Without them we all would have had the whole "other cities win championships, we get the HR Derby and Slam Dunk Contest and Winter Classic" thing banging around in the back of our minds.
Maybe it's just me but sports are different now.
Last night was amazing but it's probably not as cool without the Caps. Without them we all would have had the whole "other cities win championships, we get the HR Derby and Slam Dunk Contest and Winter Classic" thing banging around in the back of our minds.
Maybe it's just me but sports are different now.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Should the Nats trade Robles for Realmuto in the next two weeks? Or should Robles still by considered untouchable with Soto and figure out the Harper, Eaton, Taylor logjam this winter?
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
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Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
I was trying to be snarky. They did not want to pay a minimum for him to rehab, and instead paid up for the cooked Wieters, and it is costing them big time.
Epic Problem
Footballguy
And now Stras and Max jawing. After being a somewhat hot name for 3-4 years, it’s hard to believe how unprepared to deal with this kind of crap Dave Martinez is appearing to be.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Looks like the Nats window is closing. Bad manager hires by Rizzo has hurt as well. That is why you go for it when you get the chance.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Brian Goodwin traded to KC for an A ball pitcher that throws hard and has good numbers.
Also, Doolittle looks to be out for a few more weeks now. That's not good.
Also, Doolittle looks to be out for a few more weeks now. That's not good.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Turner benched for not running out a weird bunt play. Harper dogs it once a week and it’s cool.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
7 back in division. 6 back with six teams to catch in wildcard. This team going nowhere fast.
If they go 2-3 or worse between now and Sunday they need to sell on Monday and Tuesday. Harper would fetch a ton. Herrera could probably get a good prospect. Murphy, gio, and Madson could too.
If they go 2-3 or worse between now and Sunday they need to sell on Monday and Tuesday. Harper would fetch a ton. Herrera could probably get a good prospect. Murphy, gio, and Madson could too.
yuck, my heart wants to disagree with you. But my head doesn't, it's just not their year. I'd be interested to see what sort of package Harper could bring back.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Would guess something similar to what the O's got for Machado. Possible you can use those prospects in a deal to get Realmuto for 2019-2020.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Yeah, maybe it is time to throw in the towel on this year....
Chelsea Janes
@chelsea_janes
So the http://MLB.com transaction page says the Nationals have placed Stephen Strasburg on the disabled list retroactive to the 22nd. Working on this.
8:32 AM - 26 Jul 2018
Chelsea Janes
@chelsea_janes
So the http://MLB.com transaction page says the Nationals have placed Stephen Strasburg on the disabled list retroactive to the 22nd. Working on this.
8:32 AM - 26 Jul 2018
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Chelsea Janes reporting pinched nerve in his neck. So, separate from the shoulder issue that landed him on the DL previously. 
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
It was a longshot with Strasburg and trading for another SP. I know Rizzo and Davey don't want to quit on 2018 but they really do need to trade Harper, Herrera, Gio, Murphy, Madson, and anyone else expiring with value that can bring back good prospects. You can resign those guys this winter if you want but get prospects that can be used to get Realmuto and pitching this offseason.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Who will Harper sign with? Dodgers will focus on keeping Machado now, Yanks don`t need offense and another huge contract, Boston has too many big deals now and have to work on a Sale extension next season. Small market teams are already out of it. Former spenders like Detroit are rebuilding.
Philly or Cubs?
Philly or Cubs?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
My guess is Cubs or maybe the Phillies. I could see him signing with Washington with an opt-out after 2 or 3 years too so he can do free agency in theory after hitting better than .215.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Looks like it might happen. No mention of Harper though (don't think Gio/Murphy would get much in return). I guess we'll see if they can get more for Herrera than they gave up. It made sense at the time, but may as well cut the loss as much as they can.
Jeff Passan | @JeffPassan
Sources: The Washington Nationals have started discussions with teams to gauge interest if they decide to sell. Of particular interest are Kelvin Herrera, Shawn Kelley and Ryan Madson, three free-agent-to-be relievers. Nats are telling teams they’ll know by end of weekend.
Jeff Passan | @JeffPassan
Sources: The Washington Nationals have started discussions with teams to gauge interest if they decide to sell. Of particular interest are Kelvin Herrera, Shawn Kelley and Ryan Madson, three free-agent-to-be relievers. Nats are telling teams they’ll know by end of weekend.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Apparently the Dodgers checked on Harper too and that would be his "likely destination" if they sell.
After the win last night and with Max on the hill tonight it seems unlikely to me that they'd sell, though. If Max does his thing tonight and all goes well, they'd be back over .500 with lots of games left vs both the Braves and Phils. Also nobody is really running away with the NL wild card, they're currently only 4.5 back of the second spot held by the Braves. I had no idea they were within striking distance of the WC until I saw a tweet about it earlier today. Still unlikely they get it done, but not out of the question. Maybe you still move a reliever because that doesn't kill you (see Twins trading Kintzler to us last season then making the WC).
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I don’t see them passing six teams with Roark, hellockson, and milone in the rotation. Especially when most nights those guys and even gio destroy the bullpen.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I think the Giants would be in the mix as well. My sleeper is Arizona which surely regrets not bringing JD Martinez back, and would be close to home for Harper.
I also agree 100 percent that he’ll have an opt out. With OF depth and Robles not far off, the Nats are probably better off buying more pitching and extending Rendon ASAP.
They have 3 more years of Eaton, two of Taylor, one of Kendrick and then Soto and Robles. Gonna need a keystone but Kieboom could be that guy sooner than later so DIfo in the interim seems fine.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
How expensive is archer from Tampa and do we have the parts without Robles? Archer under team control for I think two more years.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Probably would cost Kieboom. Nats have some lower minors risers like Garcia, so you never can tell. Archer is a frustrating pitcher, ace skills and #3 results. A change of scenery out of the AL East might be the recipe though.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Bryce indirectly throwing people under the bus again tonight. Says something like Realmuto doesn't get the game winning hit if he's on the Nats. Funniest part of that quote is they could probably trade Robles for Realmuto if he would have been willing to sign an extension.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Does Trea Turner get a standing ovation Tuesday night? Traded to the Brewers?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Super weird that all the beat writers and talking heads are asking "buy or sell?" as if there's not a third completely logical option- do nothing- that seems like the Nats' best play right now to me.
It would be different if there was an obvious Machado type guy who could return a fortune, but the Nats don't have one other than Harper and trading him would be complicated. His value has never been lower and keeping him means they either re-sign him or get a comp pick, plus they don't take the PR hit. Not sure they get anything in return better than that. Does anyone even need a corner OF lefty three outcomes guy? They're not all that difficult to find.
It would be different if there was an obvious Machado type guy who could return a fortune, but the Nats don't have one other than Harper and trading him would be complicated. His value has never been lower and keeping him means they either re-sign him or get a comp pick, plus they don't take the PR hit. Not sure they get anything in return better than that. Does anyone even need a corner OF lefty three outcomes guy? They're not all that difficult to find.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
The comp pick would be pretty low because they are over the luxury tax threshold. It would be after the fourth round. Still some value to that, but they could probably get better prospects than a fourth would bring.
I'm more in "it depends" kind of mood. I'm not sure what kind of offers Rizzo is getting. If it's a sellers market, I'd sell. If he's getting nothing burgers, I'd stand pat because 6 games back is not beyond all hope, and may as well see if they can get hot.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Yeah I think that's right- depends on the quality of the offers.
Although I thought I heard they were close to the threshold and could duck under it with some inconsequential moves? If so it seems like that might be worthwhile. Their return would be not only the prospects in the deal but also the improved prospect they'd get with the better comp pick.
Anyway, they suck this year. Absolutely lifeless yesterday. I remain optimistic about next season though.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Here's something with the math on the luxury tax. Looks like they are $11.6m over the threshold, so it would require some decent clearing of contracts to get back under it this late in the year. The players that they have to trade would probably end up making the comp pick somewhat irrelevant as I'm not sure there would be anyone to make a QO offer to.
I'm more optimistic about next year than I was at the beginning of this year. I thought 2019 was going to be a bit of a rebuilding year, but they should still have a lot of pieces coming back, and hopefully they spend the Harper/Murphy money more prudently elsewhere.
