***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (3 Viewers)

[Sidewinder16]

I hope Haynesworth is there this weekend for the mandatory minicamp, and I hope he's in good shape.

Pretty sure the mandatory mini-camp is next week (starts the 16th, or something like that). I think tomorrow and Friday are the last 2 days of OTAs.ETA: OTA - June 10, 11; Minicamp - June 16-18

 

[fatness]

Thanks. I guess I'm just itching for something a little closer to real football.

 

[dgreen]

I hope all these receivers (Galloway, Wade, Furrey) are just an effort to solidify that WR4 spot and have nothing to do with the staffs' impressions of Thomas and Kelly.

 

[fatness]

The Redskins signed WR Mike Furrey and released linebacker Alvin Bowen, defensive lineman Antoine Holmes, cornerback Marcus McCauley, and tight end Sean Ryan.

You have to hand it to them --- they're certainly looking at more available talent than the previous front office did. There's no downside to that.

Furrey had one good year if I remember right, under Martz maybe? Possession receiver and played 2 games at safety last year.

 

[DCThunder]

The Redskins signed WR Mike Furrey and released linebacker Alvin Bowen, defensive lineman Antoine Holmes, cornerback Marcus McCauley, and tight end Sean Ryan.You have to hand it to them --- they're certainly looking at more available talent than the previous front office did. There's no downside to that. Furrey had one good year if I remember right, under Martz maybe? Possession receiver and played 2 games at safety last year.

When was the last time the Skins had a white WR?

 

[fatness]

John Keim looks at all the 2008 draft choices:

Picks 1-4

Picks 5-10

 

[fatness]

When was the last time the Skins had a white WR?

I don't know. I know George Preston Marshall had plenty of them.

 

[dgreen]

The Redskins signed WR Mike Furrey and released linebacker Alvin Bowen, defensive lineman Antoine Holmes, cornerback Marcus McCauley, and tight end Sean Ryan.You have to hand it to them --- they're certainly looking at more available talent than the previous front office did. There's no downside to that. Furrey had one good year if I remember right, under Martz maybe? Possession receiver and played 2 games at safety last year.

When was the last time the Skins had a white WR?

Chris Doering.

 

[dgreen]

From the Sports Bog:

Mark Lerner is a partner in Ted Leonsis's ownership group, and he was at Leonsis's I'm-buying-the-Wizards press conference on Thursday. Leonsis mentioned the Nats at least three or four times in his remarks, and even mentioned the championships won by the Washington Kastles and D.C. United. He also, of course, mentioned the Wizards, Caps and Mystics. Georgetown Coach John Thompson III and George Mason Coach Jim Larranaga were at the event. I guess that's just about all the local teams, unless anyone can think of another one....

I doubt it really matters, but I've noticed for several years that the Redskins aren't best buddies with the other sports teams in town. Every time I hear Leonsis speak, he seems to say, "We're going to do things the right way," when discussing drafting players rather than chasing big name FAs. Now, I don't necessarily think he's taking a shot at Snyder each time he says this. I think he just really thinks that's the way to win. And he's done well so far. But, he does seem enjoy on some level making comments like that over and over. I've heard him basically dodge questions about Snyder before.It just seems that many of the other teams in towns have good relationships. They talk about each other and support each other. Then there's the Redskins. On their own. Way out there in Landover. Vinny used to take FAs to Wizards games and Portis and some others would go to several games when the Wizards were good. And, I remember Ovechkin and other Caps going to some Redskins games at the height of Horny for Zorny, but I think all that's stopped and I'm not aware of anything else.

Anyway, like I said, I doubt it really matters. I'm not sure it affects anything meaningful. But, my guess is Snyder is disliked by other local sports teams and I think it would be nice if the Redskins had relationships with other teams in town. Not that I remember there being relationships pre-Snyder.

Just an observation. I just get sense that the Redskins are hated and that kind of sucks.

This thread has been mostly dead recently, so I thought I'd throw something out there.

 

[fatness]

Mandatory minicamp starts next Wednesday. After that they're off until training camp, which Shanahan says will start July 29. There's also talk that he'll reduce minicamp from 3 days to 2.

 

[Marvelous]

From the Sports Bog:

Mark Lerner is a partner in Ted Leonsis's ownership group, and he was at Leonsis's I'm-buying-the-Wizards press conference on Thursday. Leonsis mentioned the Nats at least three or four times in his remarks, and even mentioned the championships won by the Washington Kastles and D.C. United. He also, of course, mentioned the Wizards, Caps and Mystics. Georgetown Coach John Thompson III and George Mason Coach Jim Larranaga were at the event. I guess that's just about all the local teams, unless anyone can think of another one....

I doubt it really matters, but I've noticed for several years that the Redskins aren't best buddies with the other sports teams in town. Every time I hear Leonsis speak, he seems to say, "We're going to do things the right way," when discussing drafting players rather than chasing big name FAs. Now, I don't necessarily think he's taking a shot at Snyder each time he says this. I think he just really thinks that's the way to win. And he's done well so far. But, he does seem enjoy on some level making comments like that over and over. I've heard him basically dodge questions about Snyder before.It just seems that many of the other teams in towns have good relationships. They talk about each other and support each other. Then there's the Redskins. On their own. Way out there in Landover. Vinny used to take FAs to Wizards games and Portis and some others would go to several games when the Wizards were good. And, I remember Ovechkin and other Caps going to some Redskins games at the height of Horny for Zorny, but I think all that's stopped and I'm not aware of anything else.

Anyway, like I said, I doubt it really matters. I'm not sure it affects anything meaningful. But, my guess is Snyder is disliked by other local sports teams and I think it would be nice if the Redskins had relationships with other teams in town. Not that I remember there being relationships pre-Snyder.

Just an observation. I just get sense that the Redskins are hated and that kind of sucks.

This thread has been mostly dead recently, so I thought I'd throw something out there.

I heard a recent interview with Ted Leonsis. He talked about being a new owner and wanting to help the teams right away. So the obvious move is to bring in big time people. He got Jaramir Jagr for the Capitals and convinced Abe Pollian to hire Michael Jordan to run the Wizards. He said these moves don't work out like you think they should and that there are no short cuts to building a winner. I don't think he is taking a shot a Snyder when he talks about this. Leonisis comes across as a very humble and sincere person on the radio. And he is great to listen to.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Mosely reminding everyone that the oline is still an issue:

On the radar: Skins' O-line

June, 10, 2010 Jun 101:00PM ETEmail Print Comments90 By Matt Mosley» NFC On the Radar: East | West | North | South » AFC: East | West | North | South

A player, coach or issue that should be on your radar as training camp approaches.

In some precincts, the Redskins' stunning trade for Donovan McNabb automatically put them in the playoffs. My colleague John Clayton has said he sees the Cowboys and Redskins as the teams to beat in the rugged NFC East. But for some reason, I haven't been converted to the Skins-in-the-playoffs theory, and I'll tell you why.

[+] EnlargeRafael Suanes/US Presswire

Washington's Trent Williams has to work on his blocking, one of the many issues on the Redskins' O-line.I don't trust that offensive line one bit.

It's nothing personal. Watching Mike Williams return to football after eating himself out of the league has been heartening. And 32-year-old Casey Rabach does a decent job at center. But in the end, I don't think McNabb can hold up behind this offensive line as currently constructed. It's not like Mike Shanahan can take a beast like Williams and turn him into a cut blocker who opens up lanes for Clinton Portis. And Portis was a much younger man when he was darting through cutback lanes with the Broncos last decade.

The other Williams on the line, Trent, has the tools to be a special player. But he still has to learn the nuances of the NFL game while trying to block DeMarcus Ware, Justin Tuck and Trent Cole. As Bill Parcells liked to say, "this will not go smoothly." It's almost like everyone forgot about the beatings that Jason Campbell took on a weekly basis.

This isn't the McNabb who used to race around and extend plays by 10 seconds or so against the Cowboys on "Monday Night Football." He can slide around the pocket, but it's not like he speeds away from defenders on a regular basis. I'll point to his last two games against Dallas as Exhibits A and B. With center Jamaal Jackson out, the Eagles had to slide players around in the middle. The results against the Cowboys were disastrous.

For now, the Redskins have Artis Hicks lining up as the starting right tackle. To me, that means that Shanahan and his son, Kyle, aren't sold on Stephon Heyer. Most of us expected him to hold down that position. And the Mike Williams vs. Chad Rinehart battle at right guard isn't riveting stuff. Neither player would start for the three other teams in the division.

I certainly agree with the pundits who say the Redskins are better off with McNabb. He'll make Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly better receivers. And the combination of Fred Davis and Chris Cooley should be the best tandem in the Beast. But I don't like the thought of putting aging running backs behind a suspect offensive line.

At this point, the Redskins have the worst offensive line in the division and I don't see the Shanahan boys' zone-blocking scheme changing that right away. Could I be wrong about this?

There's always that slight chance.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/...ar-skins-o-line

 

[thayman]

Mosely reminding everyone that the oline is still an issue:

On the radar: Skins' O-line

June, 10, 2010 Jun 101:00PM ETEmail Print Comments90 By Matt Mosley» NFC On the Radar: East | West | North | South » AFC: East | West | North | South

A player, coach or issue that should be on your radar as training camp approaches.

In some precincts, the Redskins' stunning trade for Donovan McNabb automatically put them in the playoffs. My colleague John Clayton has said he sees the Cowboys and Redskins as the teams to beat in the rugged NFC East. But for some reason, I haven't been converted to the Skins-in-the-playoffs theory, and I'll tell you why.

[+] EnlargeRafael Suanes/US Presswire

Washington's Trent Williams has to work on his blocking, one of the many issues on the Redskins' O-line.I don't trust that offensive line one bit.

It's nothing personal. Watching Mike Williams return to football after eating himself out of the league has been heartening. And 32-year-old Casey Rabach does a decent job at center. But in the end, I don't think McNabb can hold up behind this offensive line as currently constructed. It's not like Mike Shanahan can take a beast like Williams and turn him into a cut blocker who opens up lanes for Clinton Portis. And Portis was a much younger man when he was darting through cutback lanes with the Broncos last decade.

The other Williams on the line, Trent, has the tools to be a special player. But he still has to learn the nuances of the NFL game while trying to block DeMarcus Ware, Justin Tuck and Trent Cole. As Bill Parcells liked to say, "this will not go smoothly." It's almost like everyone forgot about the beatings that Jason Campbell took on a weekly basis.

This isn't the McNabb who used to race around and extend plays by 10 seconds or so against the Cowboys on "Monday Night Football." He can slide around the pocket, but it's not like he speeds away from defenders on a regular basis. I'll point to his last two games against Dallas as Exhibits A and B. With center Jamaal Jackson out, the Eagles had to slide players around in the middle. The results against the Cowboys were disastrous.

For now, the Redskins have Artis Hicks lining up as the starting right tackle. To me, that means that Shanahan and his son, Kyle, aren't sold on Stephon Heyer. Most of us expected him to hold down that position. And the Mike Williams vs. Chad Rinehart battle at right guard isn't riveting stuff. Neither player would start for the three other teams in the division.

I certainly agree with the pundits who say the Redskins are better off with McNabb. He'll make Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly better receivers. And the combination of Fred Davis and Chris Cooley should be the best tandem in the Beast. But I don't like the thought of putting aging running backs behind a suspect offensive line.

At this point, the Redskins have the worst offensive line in the division and I don't see the Shanahan boys' zone-blocking scheme changing that right away. Could I be wrong about this?

There's always that slight chance.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/...ar-skins-o-line

I don't like the pundits that put the Skins in the playoffs. I think they are at best 3rd in the division.

 

[fatness]

It's nothing personal. Watching Mike Williams return to football after eating himself out of the league has been heartening. And 32-year-old Casey Rabach does a decent job at center. But in the end, I don't think McNabb can hold up behind this offensive line as currently constructed. It's not like Mike Shanahan can take a beast like Williams and turn him into a cut blocker who opens up lanes for Clinton Portis. And Portis was a much younger man when he was darting through cutback lanes with the Broncos last decade. The other Williams on the line, Trent, has the tools to be a special player. But he still has to learn the nuances of the NFL game while trying to block DeMarcus Ware, Justin Tuck and Trent Cole. As Bill Parcells liked to say, "this will not go smoothly." It's almost like everyone forgot about the beatings that Jason Campbell took on a weekly basis.

I'll disagree with that. Rabach does not do a decent job at center. Two years ago he was getting pushed all over the place, usually backwards right into the QB, for the whole season. He was one of the weakest spots on the line and it showed on Sundays. Last year he was not any better. But the line around him collapsed so badly that when he was bad everything around him looked worse. He was well below average 2 years ago and has been declining since then. Now he's called the leader of the O-line (because he knows all the blocking schemes). If a line's leader is way below average, so is the line.

For now, the Redskins have Artis Hicks lining up as the starting right tackle. To me, that means that Shanahan and his son, Kyle, aren't sold on Stephon Heyer. Most of us expected him to hold down that position. And the Mike Williams vs. Chad Rinehart battle at right guard isn't riveting stuff. Neither player would start for the three other teams in the division.

The fact that Rinehart is still on the team tells you something about how bad the line is. The guy has been bad, they've started everyone in the world ahead of him. Everyone's heartened by the comeback of Mike Williams, but that doesn't make the guy any good. He got beaten like a mule in pass coverage, and now they're asking his huge body to start moving quickly on run blocking? He would lose a race with a fire hydrant. I like Rabach and Williams, but they're just not good. And next to the dynamic Williams/Rinehart guard position is Hicks, who has never started at tackle before. McNabb won't make the O-line better. This is going to be the third straight year of the offensive line holding back the offense and putting more pressure on the defense.

 

[Marvelous]

Mosely reminding everyone that the oline is still an issue:

On the radar: Skins' O-line

June, 10, 2010 Jun 101:00PM ETEmail Print Comments90 By Matt Mosley» NFC On the Radar: East | West | North | South » AFC: East | West | North | South

A player, coach or issue that should be on your radar as training camp approaches.

In some precincts, the Redskins' stunning trade for Donovan McNabb automatically put them in the playoffs. My colleague John Clayton has said he sees the Cowboys and Redskins as the teams to beat in the rugged NFC East. But for some reason, I haven't been converted to the Skins-in-the-playoffs theory, and I'll tell you why.

[+] EnlargeRafael Suanes/US Presswire

Washington's Trent Williams has to work on his blocking, one of the many issues on the Redskins' O-line.I don't trust that offensive line one bit.

It's nothing personal. Watching Mike Williams return to football after eating himself out of the league has been heartening. And 32-year-old Casey Rabach does a decent job at center. But in the end, I don't think McNabb can hold up behind this offensive line as currently constructed. It's not like Mike Shanahan can take a beast like Williams and turn him into a cut blocker who opens up lanes for Clinton Portis. And Portis was a much younger man when he was darting through cutback lanes with the Broncos last decade.

The other Williams on the line, Trent, has the tools to be a special player. But he still has to learn the nuances of the NFL game while trying to block DeMarcus Ware, Justin Tuck and Trent Cole. As Bill Parcells liked to say, "this will not go smoothly." It's almost like everyone forgot about the beatings that Jason Campbell took on a weekly basis.

This isn't the McNabb who used to race around and extend plays by 10 seconds or so against the Cowboys on "Monday Night Football." He can slide around the pocket, but it's not like he speeds away from defenders on a regular basis. I'll point to his last two games against Dallas as Exhibits A and B. With center Jamaal Jackson out, the Eagles had to slide players around in the middle. The results against the Cowboys were disastrous.

For now, the Redskins have Artis Hicks lining up as the starting right tackle. To me, that means that Shanahan and his son, Kyle, aren't sold on Stephon Heyer. Most of us expected him to hold down that position. And the Mike Williams vs. Chad Rinehart battle at right guard isn't riveting stuff. Neither player would start for the three other teams in the division.

I certainly agree with the pundits who say the Redskins are better off with McNabb. He'll make Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly better receivers. And the combination of Fred Davis and Chris Cooley should be the best tandem in the Beast. But I don't like the thought of putting aging running backs behind a suspect offensive line.

At this point, the Redskins have the worst offensive line in the division and I don't see the Shanahan boys' zone-blocking scheme changing that right away. Could I be wrong about this?

There's always that slight chance.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/...ar-skins-o-line

I don't like the pundits that put the Skins in the playoffs. I think they are at best 3rd in the division.

I think with good coaching and the different scheme, the o-line will be better, but they have a long way to go to be just decent. At this point, I really need to see some improvement before believing the Redskins are even close to a .500 team. The first opportunity to see anything will be in the preseason.

 

[Marvelous]

From Jason Reid:

Mike Shanahan to reduce minicamp from three days to two

Things could be a little easier for Albert Haynesworth next week.

Apparently satisfied with the progress the team has shown, Coach Mike Shanahan plans to reduce the mandatory minicamp from three days to two, several people in the organization said Friday morning. The Redskins will practice Wednesday and Thursday and be off Friday.

After missing all but one day of Washington's voluntary program, Haynesworth is expected to report to Redskins Park for the start of camp. The disgruntled Pro Bowl defensive tackle has fallen far behind his teammates in learning the Redskins' new 3-4 scheme and remains uninterested in playing nose tackle, people familiar with the situation say, but intends to show up Wednesday because he could face disciplinary action for missing a mandatory team event.

Although Shanahan has pushed players throughout the offseason program, he has been fair with his demands, many players have told me, especially considering the Redskins went 4-12 last season, have finished last in the NFC East the past two seasons and four times since the 2004 season.

Publicly and privately, players have praised the Shanahans (Mike and offensive coordinator Kyle) and defensive coordinator Jim Haslett for the improved schemes they have brought to the Redskins. The team's wide receivers have not inspired confidence to this point, according to multiple team sources, and that position is expected to be an area of focus during the two-day camp.

By Jason Reid | June 11, 2010; 10:03 AM ET

Good news if they are reducing the minicamp because they feel the team has made good progress. I thought the wide receivers were a concern since they were signing so many lately. I am not convinced that Thomas and Kelley are locks to make the team.

 

[fatness]

Dennis Morris, Selvish Capers, and Erik Cook all signed rookie contracts.

Link

 

[fatness]

So why is Shanahan collecting wide receivers at such a clip? Let’s explore some possible reasons.

First, there is the possibility that Santana Moss will be suspended for involvement with human growth hormone, a substance banned by the NFL. Moss has denied that Dr. Anthony Galea injected him with HGH, and while we should take him at his word until proven otherwise, the matter is not yet over. Shanahan said yesterday that the team has not yet heard from the league about any potential suspension or other sanctions.

But, no news is not necessarily good news. The situation will not be settled until Roger Goodell says it is. If Moss does get sidelined for four games, Shanahan would have a choice. He could just treat it as if Moss had sprained his ankle and work a receiver short for a month. Or he could keep an extra receiver around as insurance. Maybe Galloway, Bobby Wade and Furrey are auditioning for that sixth wide receiver spot that will be needed until mid-October.

Or perhaps Shanahan has not been impressed with what he has seen out of Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas. While the general agreement is that the two players, both drafted in the second round in 2008, have shown an improved work ethic and could be on their way to breakout seasons in 2010, that may not represent Shanahan’s thinking.

Shanahan may have one or both of them on a short leash. The 2009 production of both Thomas (25 receptions, 325 yards, 3 touchdowns) and Kelly (25/347/0) was substandard at best.

Rich Tandler

 

[fatness]

Vinnie Cerrato inducted into hall of fame.

At his high school.

 

[fatness]

Notes from OTA's from John Keim, several of which I think are significant.

You may be tired of hearing this, but Larry Johnson is running hard. He’s running like a player who has something to prove. He’s running like somebody who has $9.5 million in incentives in his contract. He may not start, but if these early results are indicators of future performance, Johnson will be a factor.

The linebackers worked on pass coverage with other linebackers playing receivers. Jim Haslett was keeping a watchful eye over the proceedings. When it comes down to it, the ability of the linebackers--several of whom are converted defensive linemen--to be effective dropping back in coverage may well be the key to the effectiveness of the 3-4 defense.

Just as you’ll probably read something good about Larry Johnson in most of these reports, you’ll also read something bad about Rex Grossman. On a deep pattern, Anthony Armstrong ran past a couple of defenders, but Grossman threw a pass too high and way over the receiver’s head. Again, keep your fingers crossed for the good health of Donovan McNabb.

 

[fatness]

It sounds like Westbrook wants more money to sign with the Redskins.

At former teammate Donovan McNabb's annual football clinic for children on Saturday, free agent running back Brian Westbrook acknowledged that joining the Redskins is definitely a possibility. "I liked Coach Shanahan when I went in there and visited," Westbrook said. "I think it would be a great opportunity and fit for me. It would just have to make sense financially as well. So that's where we're at right now."

Link

 

[fatness]

Rocky McIntosh signed his contract. Kicker Justin Medlock and offensive lineman Paul Fanaika were released.

 

[fatness]

I like Charles Mann, I always did. But what he said recently about Haynesworth is pretty dumb. I don't think he watched him play last year.

"I mean, just do the work. He looks more like a nose tackle, and a 3-4's gonna be great for him. You know why a 3-4 would be great? Because all he'll have to do is what he did last year, and that's just fall on the ground, pile it up a little bit and the linebackers roll past you and make the plays, He doesn't even have to make a play in the 3-4."

link

 

[Sidewinder16]

--------------------News Alert: Haynesworth will skip minicamp, wants trade08:08 PM EDT Tuesday, June 15, 2010--------------------Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, who skipped the Redskins' voluntary workout program in protest of his new role on the team, will not attend the mandatory minicamp that begins Wednesday and wants to be traded, his agent said Tuesday night.

:sigh:So much for his absence just being him working out on his own.ETA: So to answer DC Thunder's question - no.

 

[Marvelous]

--------------------

News Alert: Haynesworth will skip minicamp, wants trade

08:08 PM EDT Tuesday, June 15, 2010

--------------------

Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, who skipped the Redskins' voluntary workout program in protest of his new role on the team, will not attend the mandatory minicamp that begins Wednesday and wants to be traded, his agent said Tuesday night.

:sigh:So much for his absence just being him working out on his own.

ETA: So to answer DC Thunder's question - no.

Wow. So when Haynesworth said he would attend all the mandatory events and do as the coaches said, he was lying.

Here is a blurb from PFT:

Haynesworth to skip mandatory minicamp, wants trade

Posted by Evan Silva on June 15, 2010 8:44 PM ET

Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth has been a no-show for nearly all offseason workouts, but not until now has his absence been truly consequential.

With Washington beginning its June mandatory minicamp on Wednesday, Haynesworth's agent has announced that his client will not be in attendance.

"The Redskins are trying to establish a new regime with new schemes at Redskins Park, and it is not an organization that Albert would have ever been attracted to just a short year ago -- regardless of the money," agent Chad Speck told the Washington Post. "He has made it clear to me that he does not want to play for the Washington Redskins.

"This situation will be a distraction to the Redskins and to Albert and his teammates," added Speck. "I am certain Mike Shanahan and Bruce [Allen] want to get the most out of their first year and it's probably in everyone's best interests for the Redskins to make a deal and trade Albert."

The team will reserve comment until minicamp begins Wednesday. Haynesworth has long been unhappy with the Redskins' switch to a 3-4 defense, which would require him to tie up blockers as opposed to blow past them. His absence from a mandatory offseason camp, for which Haynesworth risks fines, may indicate that the Pro Bowl defensive tackle is also willing to sit out training camp.

According to the Post's Jason Reid, the Redskins "have had talks with clubs interested in acquiring Haynesworth," despite the team's claims to the contrary. It's unclear if those talks have continued since April's NFL Draft.

Two comments: 1. If you did not want to commit for many years, don't sign a 4 or 7 year contract. It's pretty simple.

2. If money really isn't the issue and you really don't want to play for the Redskins, walk into Allen's office and negotiate a buyout. I bet if Haynesworth would pay back $20M of the $32M he has already pocketed, the Redskins would let him walk. If you want to keep the $32M and be traded/cut, you want your cake and eat it too.

 

[dgreen]

Ugh.

 

[Sebowski]

Totally ridiculous. Guy hasn't even practiced in the system yet. Worst part is the first two trades I thought of that could work, Vincent Jackson or Logan Mankins, both play 3-4.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Totally ridiculous. Guy hasn't even practiced in the system yet. Worst part is the first two trades I thought of that could work, Vincent Jackson or Logan Mankins, both play 3-4.

Jackson and Mankins play offense.

 

[dgreen]

I still say you only trade him for something really good in return. If you only get low draft picks offered, let him sit out and don't pay him.

 

[fatness]

Crap. I really hoped this wasn't going to happen.

Now they're going to trade Haynesworth for far less than they should, or he'll just hold out, and the defense will take a big step backwards.

Crap.

 

[fatness]

I bet if Haynesworth would pay back $20M of the $32M he has already pocketed, the Redskins would let him walk. If you want to keep the $32M and be traded/cut, you want your cake and eat it too.

I can't see any way he gives back any money. Losing his entire salary this year is far less than giving back $20 million or $32 million.

 

[Sebowski]

Totally ridiculous. Guy hasn't even practiced in the system yet. Worst part is the first two trades I thought of that could work, Vincent Jackson or Logan Mankins, both play 3-4.

Jackson and Mankins play offense.

Disgruntled Pro Bowlers that would help our team. McNiel too.

 

[Harjiran]

I still say you only trade him for something really good in return. If you only get low draft picks offered, let him sit out and don't pay him.

 

[nittanylion]

...and so it begins...

Sorry I haven't gotten a chance to post recently. My computer screen burnt out, and for the better part of the past few weeks, I've been limited to using a buddy's computer to access the internet for a few hours late every night, much of which I spend getting caught up on news and reading threads and going through emails...

...one of my Redskins inside contacts who is no longer contractually with the Team is still working with them on collaborative basis, and is still privately training close to a dozen of the Players, and is still very aware of what's going on inside the organization...as I understand it, it's not like the Redskins have just been standing pat and believing what Fat Albert has been saying about working out in private, etc, etc...you can be sure they've sent folks out to check on what he's doing and what he's up to. I'm not saying he's grossly overweight and morbidly out of football shape, but if he did show up tomorrow after making all those statements, he was pretty much going to have egg all over his face and pretty much look like he was full of crap, and take a lot of heat for it, from both the Team and the folks who've felt this is all much ado about nothing. Like an annoyingly increasing amount of folks in todays society who don't want to face the music and be held accountable for their actions, it's easier for him to pull a no-show, and pout from a distance, and make demands.

Fat Albert is an immature petulant child who wants to have his way, and I hope the Redskins do what any good parent should do it that situation: break him. Without mercy, and for his own good..

I'd like Shanahan and Allen to walk into Dan's office and describe to him exactly what capitulating to the demands of that worthless egotistical piece of crap would be akin to, perhaps spitting on the Redskins logo for emphasis.

Really, for those folks who are moaning about how bad the defense will be sans Haynesworth, I'd like to send you all a copy of the movie 'Hoosiers'. Gene Hackman's character was perfectly willing to boot a few recalcitrant boys off the Team for conduct detrimental. He was perfectly willing to play without Jimmy Chitwood, no matter the results, and chide the fans for not supporting the Team as what it was, versus what it was not. He was perfectly willing to sit a hot Player who was carrying the Team to a victory by doing things 'his way', AND play with only 4 Players on the court, to boot. That's a tried and true old-school value called Standing On Principle, necessary because without having principles, and holding fast to them, you become a doormat that invites folks just like this to walk all over you.

As a born and raised Redskins Fan who first became aware of what that meant during the George Allen era, who enjoyed the glory of Gibbs Version 1.0 and the frustration of the Snyder era, I'm hoping that's exactly what the Redskins Organization does now: shows some respect for Itself, and it's Fan Base, and marginalize this buffoon for once, and for all.

How dare his Agent come forward with a statement like that? Redskins Fans should be absolutely livid hearing that drivel. One Player is NOTHING in relation to a Team. What happened to Marcus Allen at the hands of Al Davis was misguided, unfortunate and wrong, but I will applaud the Redskins loud and long, and sing the praises of Shanahan and Allen from the rooftops if they quietly go about their business of making do with the Team they have, and let this self-absorbed prima donna rot over the life of his Contract. Play hardball, I say. Hard Ball. Stand your ground, send a zero tolerance message about the value of good faith negotiation and a Team's word being it's bond, and show that this Organization has recovered its self respect and pride, short-term results be damned. In the long run, the Team will be better for it.

Hail to the Redskins! Good Luck and God Speed!

 

[dgreen]

I'm not saying he's grossly overweight and morbidly out of football shape, but if he did show up tomorrow after making all those statements, he was pretty much going to have egg all over his face and pretty much look like he was full of crap, and take a lot of heat for it, from both the Team and the folks who've felt this is all much ado about nothing.

That would make some sense about what's going on. To go along with this, a complete unsubstantiated rumor I heard from a caller on The Junkies this morning was that Haynesworth was at Atlantis all weekend and looked...well...fat. Not that I really put much weight on what some random caller said, but if some other rumors (like nittany's) start to match a pattern, it becomes more believable.

Really, for those folks who are moaning about how bad the defense will be sans Haynesworth, I'd like to send you all a copy of the movie 'Hoosiers'. Gene Hackman's character was perfectly willing to boot a few recalcitrant boys off the Team for conduct detrimental. He was perfectly willing to play without Jimmy Chitwood, no matter the results, and chide the fans for not supporting the Team as what it was, versus what it was not. He was perfectly willing to sit a hot Player who was carrying the Team to a victory by doing things 'his way', AND play with only 4 Players on the court, to boot. That's a tried and true old-school value called Standing On Principle, necessary because without having principles, and holding fast to them, you become a doormat that invites folks just like this to walk all over you.

Seriously?

 

[southeastjerome]

Thanks Albert. Perfect timing. I say let him rot unless they get an offer that they like.

 

[fatness]

Fat Albert is an immature petulant child who wants to have his way, and I hope the Redskins do what any good parent should do it that situation: break him. Without mercy, and for his own good..

I'm not going to defend Haynesworth holding out; I think it's the wrong thing to do. But confusing an employer-employee relationship as a parent-child relationship really misunderstands things. Players are grown men who risk their bodies on a chance of making a good living playing football. Owners are grown men who want to make money off those players. There are no children here, everyone's an adult, ####### or not.

 

[fatness]

Really, for those folks who are moaning about how bad the defense will be sans Haynesworth, I'd like to send you all a copy of the movie 'Hoosiers'. Gene Hackman's character was perfectly willing to boot a few recalcitrant boys off the Team for conduct detrimental. He was perfectly willing to play without Jimmy Chitwood, no matter the results, and chide the fans for not supporting the Team as what it was, versus what it was not. He was perfectly willing to sit a hot Player who was carrying the Team to a victory by doing things 'his way', AND play with only 4 Players on the court, to boot. That's a tried and true old-school value called Standing On Principle, necessary because without having principles, and holding fast to them, you become a doormat that invites folks just like this to walk all over you.

Seriously?

Nice movie. Doesn't apply to real NFL football.

 

[fatness]

According to PFT, several players have started criticizing Haynesworth privately. It's just a matter of time until they go public with it, most likely.

I have no idea how this will play out. If they could get a second round pick for him next year that seems like a good deal. But I have no sense of whether he'll hold out all year, or whether he'll end up in training camp at some point and playing this season.

It's frustrating.

Links to local articles: Washington Post

106.7 The Fan

CSN Washington

 

[fatness]

Haynesworth's statement

"The Washington Redskins are a great and storied franchise with an owner in Mr. Snyder that will do anything in his power to win and a fan base that is unrivaled in the NFL. When I signed here after meeting all day with the staff and top executives, and talked about the defense that we would run and what my role would be, I was assured I would have the freedom to play to my strengths and I was excited about the future. After many years in the NFL, I know what it takes for me to perform at my highest level. My number one goal has always been to help my team win -period. It's also important at my position to help free my teammates to make plays, which I've done throughout my career when I've been allowed to play to my strengths. I will continue to work individually to prepare for training camp and the start of the 2010 season."

 

[dgreen]

If he ends up stepping on the field for the Redskins, he could get Heath Shuler treatment.

 

[dgreen]

According to PFT, several players have started criticizing Haynesworth privately. It's just a matter of time until they go public with it, most likely.

We'll see. It's clear that Shanahan, Allen, and the rest of the coaching staff and front office have no impact on Haynesworth. But, they may still be able to impact the rest of the players and minimize the distraction here and how much this is dealt with in public.Today, I expect Shanahan to say, "We're disappointed he's not here. But, he's not here and I'm concerned about the guys who are here. I'll discuss them if you'd like."

 

[DCThunder]

According to PFT, several players have started criticizing Haynesworth privately. It's just a matter of time until they go public with it, most likely.

We'll see. It's clear that Shanahan, Allen, and the rest of the coaching staff and front office have no impact on Haynesworth.

And it's a direct slap in the face to Donovan McNabb who was supposed to be "reaching out" to Fat Albert. so much for that...

 

[Marvelous]

Fat Albert is an immature petulant child who wants to have his way, and I hope the Redskins do what any good parent should do it that situation: break him. Without mercy, and for his own good..

I'm not going to defend Haynesworth holding out; I think it's the wrong thing to do. But confusing an employer-employee relationship as a parent-child relationship really misunderstands things. Players are grown men who risk their bodies on a chance of making a good living playing football. Owners are grown men who want to make money off those players. There are no children here, everyone's an adult, ####### or not.

Maybe the parent/child analogy applies because Haynesworth said he would do certain things and now refuses to. The Redskins have honored every detail of this contract. Haynesworth now has not.Haynesworth reaction to playing in a 3-4, much like how my kids first reacted to eating brocolli. Maybe when Haynesworth shows up, he will hold his breath until he passes out.One note: the Redskins (Snyder/Cerrato) offered Haynesworth a ridiculous, front-loaded contract and this situation is now the result of that.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Darnell Dockett gets it

 

[Sidewinder16]

The Redskins have honored every detail of this contract. Haynesworth now has not.

Speaking of this, what's the max penalty the 'Skins can enforce for skipping mandatory workouts/camps? Can they only fine him (and how much)? Is there a "breach of contract" issue now where they could try and go after some of the bonus money?

 

[fatness]

One note: the Redskins (Snyder/Cerrato) offered Haynesworth a ridiculous, front-loaded contract and this situation is now the result of that.

That's a good part of it. They also promised him he'd be able to play the position he liked to play, the way he liked to play it, which is a big contributing factor here. Unless of course Vinnie pops up soon and says that ain't so, in which case he'd probably be saying something self-serving like he always did.

 

[fatness]

The Redskins have honored every detail of this contract. Haynesworth now has not.

Speaking of this, what's the max penalty the 'Skins can enforce for skipping mandatory workouts/camps? Can they only fine him (and how much)? Is there a "breach of contract" issue now where they could try and go after some of the bonus money?

$10,000 per day for missed minicamp, $16,000 per day for missed training camp I believe. And they can go after part of the signing bonus (which was $5 million, not the huge lump which was paid to him this year). All that is from what I read this morning, and I think I'm remembering it correctly.

 

[fatness]

Today, I expect Shanahan to say, "We're disappointed he's not here. But, he's not here and I'm concerned about the guys who are here. I'll discuss them if you'd like."

I expect the same. And really playing up and praising the guys who are there.

 

[Sebowski]

Send him a flat screen and tell him to enjoy the season from home if he doesn't want to play.

What kills me is that his teammates have all said Haynesworth would like his role if he showed up and learned it. I was hoping he at least take a crack at it. Without doing that he doesn't have a leg to stand on.