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Not meant as a personal shot at you, but this is crazy talk. Watch TV this weekend. The season isn't over for some teams. They're not sitting at home knowing only 3 teams in the league were worse than them while at the same time predicting winning records. Watch the quality of play in all the playoff games. The Redskins are nowhere near any of those teams. They're a 4-12 clown show, and declining.
What I don't understand then is why the Broncos will pay him 3 million this year.
I've got to disagree.I think a lot of us are hung up on the "new coach cure." We've seen it a lot with Baltimore, Atlanta and a few other teams winning lots of games in their first season with a new coach, so everyone thinks new coach = wins. My counter to that is that a lot of these teams are successful early because there's very little to scout, so opposing teams come in blind with basic defensive packages...it takes a few games to actually be able to determine tendencies. A coach like Shanny doesn't have that luxury. There's years of Broncos footage out there, and that removes a lot of the "new coach" luck that has been floating around.I agree that we can beat Detroit, St. Louis/Seattle, Tampa, and Chicago. Jax, Hou and Tenn are win-able, depending on which opposing team shows up as they aren't very consistent. I'm not convinced we can hang with Green Bay at this point. Throw in the NFC East now. The Giants have had our number for years. Anything better than a sweep by them would be considered a HUGE win for us. I don't see us taking more than 1 of the 4 games against Dallas and Philly...So throw in some variability in the cake games, because we'll still probably blow one of those, and I see something like 5-11 or 6-10. I'd say we'll beat Detroit, St. Louis/Seattle, Chicago, 1 NFC East game, and Jax...Now 2011, IF we can maintain consistent personelle, grow our OL, and make some minor, but good moves in the off-seasons, I think we could be a contender. I just want to see a couple of years with 1 coach, 1 system, and LEARNING instead of change.
I think some people don't understand just how bad the current OL is. It's downright horrible. The ONLY way this team makes a jump to 9-7 is if they replace three of their starters on the OL with good linemen and add some good backups (or just don't have injuries). I think this team can be decent with a better than average OL. That's not going to be easy, though.Also, that belief is based on the assumption that the QB is average (Campbell or someone else), WRs progress, they add a playmaker on offense, the D can keep up their better-than-average play, and their special teams can maybe do at least one things special.
I agree wholeheartedly. Doesn't make sense to cut a QB and then draft one, with a really bad OL out there that would destroy the value of the rookie QB.Even if Bradford is drafted, I want Campbell to be the starter next year and serve as a mentor of sorts, to enable the Redskins to more easily address the OL through draft/FA in the next 2 years.
please forgive my ignorance as I have not been able to follow closely the 2010 draft. Is there good depth at OL in this years draft or is the talent limited? I had a feeling the Skins would take a QB at the 4th slot so I wanted to get a sense of could we get a decent Tackle or Guard in the 2nd and beyond.Sammy Traveller said:
I've seen some mock drafts and player rankings that have 5-7 tackles in the first round. Whether they fit what Shanahan wants to do or not, I don't know.
I would prefer us to rebuild the line before we draft a high round QB of the future. I think Campbell can be serviceable until we get all the pieces into place. Lets just hope Campbell is willing to come back. If another team offers him good money and a chance to start he might just bolt based on the way he was treated this past season.
Because it's better than paying him $7million?fatness said:
Reason 1 and 2 for why he's considered one of the best modern day coaches.Did that really need to be explained? The list of coaches who have won multiple Super Bowl's is pretty elite.Fat Nick said:
I agree, OL is top priority. That's why we need to keep Campbell. I don't think it's a mistake to draft a QB with the 4th pick, as long as you protect him and groom him. Keep him on the sidelines to learn, and then he can step in in 2011 or 2012 when the OL should be improved.I would prefer us to rebuild the line before we draft a high round QB of the future. I think Campbell can be serviceable until we get all the pieces into place. Lets just hope Campbell is willing to come back. If another team offers him good money and a chance to start he might just bolt based on the way he was treated this past season.
Yes, I got that...but those came very early in his career at Denver, with a decent team he inherited, and in his last 9 or so season, he won exactly 1 playoff game. I get the Super Bowl wins, but outside of those early wins, he's done nothing that has shown me he can turn around an already bad franchise.
IMO, taking QB at 1.04 delays and damages the ability to build a good OL in the next couple years. As far as I know, none of the QBs this year are projected to be All Pros. There are no Mannings. Now, there may not be any Ogdens either. But, I think if it's another Chris Samuels vs another Drew Bledsoe, I take Samuels and wait on QB.I agree, OL is top priority. That's why we need to keep Campbell. I don't think it's a mistake to draft a QB with the 4th pick, as long as you protect him and groom him. Keep him on the sidelines to learn, and then he can step in in 2011 or 2012 when the OL should be improved.I would prefer us to rebuild the line before we draft a high round QB of the future. I think Campbell can be serviceable until we get all the pieces into place. Lets just hope Campbell is willing to come back. If another team offers him good money and a chance to start he might just bolt based on the way he was treated this past season.
He's 32 and most of the reports I read during the year were generally negative about his play. I'll admit I'm not expert on watching OL play. But, Keim seemed to repeatedly have him on his Busts lists and ProFootballFocus.com did not rate him well this year. I think they HAVE to have a new LT, RT, and RG next season. I wouldn't worry too much if Rabach is the starter next year. You can't change everything in one year.I think he might be an UFA this year, though.
Most of his struggles in the later years were with his defense. He continued to build a good offense and Cutler was playing good for him. He constantly had a great running game regardless of who he plugged in there. He made the playoffs in half of his 14 seasons in Denver, and had only two losing seasons -- 6-10 in 1999 and 7-9 in 2007. I think with a solid defensive coordinator in place, I believe he can turn this ship around. I think he is among the best available coaches out there.
I'm far from a Bronco historian, but the "decent team he inherited" only went 8-8 his first season before he rattled off seasons with 13, 12 and 14 wins plus the 2 Super Bowls. He had 4 more double digit win seasons after that and only 2 seasons under 0.500.
He's a very good offensive mind. He also will command respect. Which to me is pretty big. If he is allowed to play roulette with personnel in the draft and the offseason, I'd be worried. If he hires good defensive coaches, lets them coach, and listens to Bruce Allen, he'll be great. He won't be outcoached very often on gameday.
What?! No lonesome polecat?
Totally forgot to tune in. Not loading too quickly right now. I'll have to get the highlights from Steinberg for Reid.
OK, I got in.He just said he talked to Shotty who said: "Mike, if that opportunity presents itself, jump on it." Seriously?
980.com has the audio you can get to quickly.
Shanahan has already talked to Gibbs and Schottenheimer and wants to talk to Zorn. Said he got very positive reports and encouragement from both Gibbs and Schotty regarding the job and working with Snyder.
Usually at that point the other team bluffs, refuses, and the Redskins cave in and pay the full $10 million. Oh, that's right. Vinnie's not here now.
ETA: Not overpaying for the coach bodes well for how player contracts will be handled going forward.
Because they'd be on the hook for more than that if they didn't reach an agreement with the 'Skins about buying them out. Perhaps you think they played their leverage wrong, but they will spend less money on Shanny in 2010 (and of course on any remaining, subsequent contractual years) this way than they would have otherwise.fatness said:
Bruce Allan
I'm just used to the other teams calling the Reskins' bluffs, the Skins capitulating, thanking the other team, and then calling a press conference while wiping off their face.Apparently we have someone in the front office who can negotiate with other teams now.
Including what? Parking fees?
I got the impression, from Shanahan's comments on Campbell during the presser, that he's already done some research on Campbell and seems to be somewhat impressed. I don't think that cements anything regarding his future with the team, and you're right, I don't think he's given zero thought to the QB situation.
Just for correctness sake Gruden was an OC in Philly before he became a head coach.
