***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[TankRizzo]

I smell a succession plan for when daddy retires.

If that's not wishful thinking Love to see it happen, I just can't think of too many scenarios where that would play out like that.

 

[PantherPower]

Now if only Campbell could defend himself as a start worthy QB in he NFL.

 

[buster c]

My guess is that Campbell will be competing for the job and will probably win it.

God I hope not.

Realistically, who do you think should win the starting QB job? A rookie? Collins? Brennan? A FA?

http://www.nfl.com/players/chadpennington/...le?id=PEN375096

 

[dgreen]

My guess is that Campbell will be competing for the job and will probably win it.

God I hope not.

Realistically, who do you think should win the starting QB job? A rookie? Collins? Brennan? A FA?

http://www.nfl.com/players/chadpennington/...le?id=PEN375096

I wouldn't mind drafting a QB in round 4 to compete with Colt and bringing in Pennington to compete with Campbell.

 

[PantherPower]

how about bringing in Rex Grossman cheap?

 

[TankRizzo]

Browns keeping Mangini....boy am I glad we didn't go after Holmgren now!

 

[fatness]

That's why it's no surprise Dan Snyder has his eye on Bobby April, the former Bills special teams coach who became a free agent this week.PFT's Mike Florio credits a source that Snyder is interested in April, and eager to spend money to get the very best on his new coaching staff. April's special teams units in Buffalo were consistently among the best in football.

 

[fatness]

how about bringing in Rex Grossman cheap?

How about Bea Arthur?

 

[fatness]

Check this out.

A listing of coaching changes and rumors for the Redskins.

 

[PantherPower]

how about bringing in Rex Grossman cheap?

How about Bea Arthur?

Wasn't Grossman the backup in Houston this year? Didn't think it would be that far fetched to give him a try. Anything is better than Campbell.

 

[jenja]

how about bringing in Rex Grossman cheap?

How about Bea Arthur?

I do believe Bea Arthur would be much better then Rex Grossman. I want us to upgrade at QB, not downgrade. Nothing Grossman has done shows me he is any better then Campbell. As for Pennington...I believe you can stick a fork in him because he is done.

 

[TankRizzo]

how about bringing in Rex Grossman cheap?

How about Bea Arthur?

I do believe Bea Arthur would be much better then Rex Grossman. I want us to upgrade at QB, not downgrade. Nothing Grossman has done shows me he is any better then Campbell. As for Pennington...I believe you can stick a fork in him because he is done.

Bea Arthur wrestled velociraptors in her spare time.http://kurokuseven.com/wp-content/uploads/...lociraptor1.jpg

 

[NickyHatton]

how about bringing in Rex Grossman cheap?

How about Bea Arthur?

Wasn't Grossman the backup in Houston this year? Didn't think it would be that far fetched to give him a try. Anything is better than Campbell.

he was, but he was terrible. the houston offense grinded to a halt when he came in the game Schaub hurt his shoulder, and he threw a pick to top it off

 

[Shaolin Hangman]

how about bringing in Rex Grossman cheap?

How about Bea Arthur?

Nah, she stinks.

 

[Shaolin Hangman]

how about bringing in Rex Grossman cheap?

How about Bea Arthur?

Wasn't Grossman the backup in Houston this year? Didn't think it would be that far fetched to give him a try. Anything is better than Campbell.

Grossman is superior? I know you've got a bug up your keister about Campbell, but you need to get real about exactly how bad or good his quality of play is.

Rex GrossmanYear,Age,Tm,Pos,No.,G,GS,QBrec,Cmp,Att,Cmp%,Yds,TD,TD%,Int,Int%,Lng,Y/A,AY/A,Y/C,Y/G,Rate,Sk,Yds,NY/A,ANY/A,Sk%,AVCareer,,,,,37,31,19-12-0,524,971,54.0,6197,33,3.4,36,3.7,62,6.4,5.4,11.8,167.5,69.5,58,420,5.6,4.7,5.6,17

Jason CampbellYear,Age,Tm,Pos,No.,G,GS,QBrec,Cmp,Att,Cmp%,Yds,TD,TD%,Int,Int%,Lng,Y/A,AY/A,Y/C,Y/G,Rate,Sk,Yds,NY/A,ANY/A,Sk%,AVCareer,,,,,52,36,16-20-0,1002,1637,61.2,10860,55,3.4,38,2.3,84,6.6,6.3,10.8,208.8,82.3,109,716,5.8,5.5,6.2,25

In only 5 additional starts (+14%), Campbell has thrown 22 more TD's (+40%) against only 2 more INT's (+5%). His Int% is almost one-third of Grossman's, and his completion % is 7 points higher. His QB rating is 13 points higher, and he even has a higher yards per attempt. Oh, and Grossman, a former Super Bowl QB who was dumped by the team that got there with him, has managed to accumulate those 5 fewer starts in 2 additional seasons even if you count Campbell's rookie year in which he was on the bench. I would suggest that these numbers accurately reflect the difference between these two QB's. Now, what part of Grossman's game is it that you think is superior to Campbell's such that Grossman should replace Campbell?

 

[dgreen]

That's why it's no surprise Dan Snyder has his eye on Bobby April, the former Bills special teams coach who became a free agent this week.PFT's Mike Florio credits a source that Snyder is interested in April, and eager to spend money to get the very best on his new coaching staff. April's special teams units in Buffalo were consistently among the best in football.

Is that just Florio refusing to believe that Snyder has backed off or does his source actually say that Snyder is the one interested in April?My guess is Snyder is interested in whoever Shanahan and Allen tell him to be interested in.

 

[buster c]

how about bringing in Rex Grossman cheap?

How about Bea Arthur?

Wasn't Grossman the backup in Houston this year? Didn't think it would be that far fetched to give him a try. Anything is better than Campbell.

Grossman is superior? I know you've got a bug up your keister about Campbell, but you need to get real about exactly how bad or good his quality of play is.

Rex GrossmanYear	  Age	  Tm	  Pos	  No.	  G	  GS	  QBrec	  Cmp	  Att	  Cmp%	  Yds	  TD	  TD%	  Int	  Int%	  Lng	  Y/A	  AY/A	  Y/C	  Y/G	  Rate	  Sk	  Yds	  NY/A	  ANY/A	  Sk%	  AVCareer 	37 	31 	19-12-0 	524 	971 	54.0 	6197 	33 	3.4 	36 	3.7 	62 	6.4 	5.4 	11.8 	167.5 	69.5 	58 	420 	5.6 	4.7 	5.6 	17

Jason CampbellYear	  Age	  Tm	  Pos	  No.	  G	  GS	  QBrec	  Cmp	  Att	  Cmp%	  Yds	  TD	  TD%	  Int	  Int%	  Lng	  Y/A	  AY/A	  Y/C	  Y/G	  Rate	  Sk	  Yds	  NY/A	  ANY/A	  Sk%	  AVCareer 	52 	36 	16-20-0 	1002 	1637 	61.2 	10860 	55 	3.4 	38 	2.3 	84 	6.6 	6.3 	10.8 	208.8 	82.3 	109 	716 	5.8 	5.5 	6.2 	25

In only 5 additional starts (+14%), Campbell has thrown 22 more TD's (+40%) against only 2 more INT's (+5%). His Int% is almost one-third of Grossman's, and his completion % is 7 points higher. His QB rating is 13 points higher, and he even has a higher yards per attempt. Oh, and Grossman, a former Super Bowl QB who was dumped by the team that got there with him, has managed to accumulate those 5 fewer starts in 2 additional seasons even if you count Campbell's rookie year in which he was on the bench. I would suggest that these numbers accurately reflect the difference between these two QB's. Now, what part of Grossman's game is it that you think is superior to Campbell's such that Grossman should replace Campbell?

other than quarterbacking skills, it's likely the age difference (although JC is surprisingly mobile for 52)

 

[phrozen]

I thought I heard rumblings about the Skins possibly going after Sage Rosenfels since he has the connection and experience with Kyle's offense. Who knows if that has any validity though.

 

[dgreen]

I thought I heard rumblings about the Skins possibly going after Sage Rosenfels since he has the connection and experience with Kyle's offense. Who knows if that has any validity though.

There's been a lot of talk about whether Mike Shanahan will like Campbell, but Kyle's opinion is probably just as important.

 

[Shaolin Hangman]

how about bringing in Rex Grossman cheap?

How about Bea Arthur?

Wasn't Grossman the backup in Houston this year? Didn't think it would be that far fetched to give him a try. Anything is better than Campbell.

[snip]

other than quarterbacking skills, it's likely the age difference (although JC is surprisingly mobile for 52)

Heh. I've tried to reformat this so it reads better. All of the info comes from pro-football-reference.com.

 

[dgreen]

other than quarterbacking skills, it's likely the age difference (although JC is surprisingly mobile for 52)

Please tell me the bold part is just a way for you to get to your joke about his formatting. I really hope you don't seriously think Rex Grossman is better than Jason Campbell.

 

[buster c]

other than quarterbacking skills, it's likely the age difference (although JC is surprisingly mobile for 52)

Please tell me the bold part is just a way for you to get to your joke about his formatting. I really hope you don't seriously think Rex Grossman is better than Jason Campbell.

I see them both in the low rent district of NFL QB's. Except for playoff wins & Super Bowl appearances, there's not much difference - they both suck.

 

[dgreen]

other than quarterbacking skills, it's likely the age difference (although JC is surprisingly mobile for 52)

Please tell me the bold part is just a way for you to get to your joke about his formatting. I really hope you don't seriously think Rex Grossman is better than Jason Campbell.

I see them both in the low rent district of NFL QB's. Except for playoff wins & Super Bowl appearances, there's not much difference - they both suck.

If you want to label them both in the "suck" category, that's fine. But, there is a difference. Campbell is significantly better in completion %, INT%, AY/A, and QB rating.Check out TD/INT. Grossman is below 1.0. That's a level of very bad QBs (or good QBs in the 1960s; take your pick). Grossman's TD/INT is in the same range as Losman, Couch, Feely, Harrington, Carr, and McCown.

Campbell's TD/INT is statistically in the range of guys like Cutler, Leftwich, Roethlisberger, McNair, and Green.

 

[PantherPower]

Grossman does stink, bad example, but I'd like to see the Skins get a good QB. One that doesn't fold in pressure situations. One that hits open WRs running down the field. Is that too much to ask for?

 

[Marvelous]

Even Dan isn't completely delusional. He knows all his "best efforts/good intentions" have netted nothing but a crappy team/franchise over the last decade. I truly believe he will step down, and completely out of the way from here on out. We forget that Dan isn't that different from a lot of us (besides his bank account) he was a HUGE Redskins fan as a kid, and just happened to be fortunate enough to accumulate the wealth to buy them. But he still wants the team to win. I think he's finally realized that won't happen unless he just signs the checks and shuts the fudge up and gets out of the way.

One thought I had: Joe Gibbs worked with Snyder and Cerrato and taught them about running a football team. Both Snyder and Cerrato said they learned so much from Gibbs. Unfortunately, when Gibbs retired, he left Snyder and Cerrato believing they were finally fully prepared to run the football team. And in two short years, everythings Gibbs worked to put in place, from organized practices to a professional front office to a great locker environment, has been completely destroyed.Snyder must finally know that he needs lots of help to run the team and that Cerrato is not the answer. I am not convinced that Snyder will be out of the picture completely, but he will not be meddlesome. Snyder loves negotating contracts and closing the deal. I can see that there is still a role for him to do that, especially in an uncapped year. But Snyder apparently won't have final say on who they go after. Or apparently if they cut Portis and pay off his $6.4 M in guaranteed money.

 

[Marvelous]

Confirmation that Snyder was still meddling in decisions under Cerrato and Zorn, from the Washington Post's NFL reporter Mark Maske

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Though there was plenty of talk of teamwork Wednesday, Shanahan is expected to have final say on personnel decisions, taking on the title of executive vice president and assuming a level of responsibility similar to what he enjoyed during his time as coach in Denver. That means Shanahan and Allen will have significantly more control over the team's fortunes and decisions than Jim Zorn, who was fired as head coach Monday, and Vinny Cerrato, who was deposed as executive vice president of football operations last month.

I'm not sure there is any "evidence" in there at all, but there is evidence that Dan stepped back for Joe here:

"All I can tell you is what Joe Gibbs said to me," Shanahan said on SIRIUS XM's Mad Dog Radio. "He said, 'Mike, you're going to get the best owner in sports.' He said, 'I've never met a guy more positive. He's got so much passion for the Redskins. He's loyal. He grew up with them. He wants to win. He's going to give you every opportunity to be successful.'

"I've known Joe for over 20 years. He said, 'He will not interfere at all. All he will do is give you support.' When Joe Gibbs tells me that, a guy that I've admired, I think you can put that in the bank."

inkThat is 4 years of handing the keys over. Significant time for building a football team. Joe was the guy that traded for Brunell, traded for Campbell, drafted Landry, ignored the O-Line for 4 years....

All you can blame Snyder for there is for hiring Gibbs to be the guy he stepped back for. It netted us 2 playoff appearances in 4 years, but set us back enough to help us be 4-12 this year.

Per Joe Gibbs in many interviews while he was here, Gibbs, Snyder, and Cerrato jointly made the decisions. It was collaborative and no one really had authority over the other. But on a the practical side, one of the three is a Hall of Fame coach. It is really hard to see Snyder telling Gibbs he is trading for Ochocinco whether he likes it or not. I am certain that Snyder and Cerrato deferred to Gibbs a lot. Gibbs did rely on Snyder on the salary cap and what he could and could not do because of it.

 

[Marvelous]

On the very day that Shanahan was introduced, there was evidence of insubordination and internal strife all over the airwaves, strife that had its root in Snyder's over-involvement and Portis's spoiled over-entitlement as a friend of the owner. The Redskins' famously indolent star running back was so bold as to rip quarterback Jason Campbell on the radio for a supposed lack of leadership. In response, several teammates expressed resentment of what they perceive as Portis's special treatment, the fact that he, and others, have seemed to be beyond the reach of any coaching authority.

Sally Jenkins

I was thinking about the Portis interview. Portis is actually very hypocritical in it.Before going off on Jason Campbell, he responds to a question about work ethics and team rules. He said he never broke and rules and went on to say that people should tell others during the season and it was in poor taste to do it publicly after the season when it wouldn't do any good. In answering the next question on leadership, Portis was baffled why he was not a team captain, why Campbell was a team captain, and then starts to unload on Campbell. He is doing the very thing a few minutes earlier he said players should not do.

 

[Marvelous]

how about bringing in Rex Grossman cheap?

I am actually very surprised that the Redskins never tried to bring in a former high draft pick qb to be the backup. Many do quite well and some ressurect their careers doing it. I actually think Michael Vick could be a possibility here.

 

[Marvelous]

Grossman does stink, bad example, but I'd like to see the Skins get a good QB. One that doesn't fold in pressure situations. One that hits open WRs running down the field. Is that too much to ask for?

It would be nice for the Redskins to have a good qb. But despite all that has happened, Campbell really is not a bad qb. He was statistically near average with an inept OL, no running game, and a generally inept offense. The bottom line, no one really knows how he would do with a decent OL and NFL caliber offense. He could be good or he could suck.

 

[Marvelous]

Check this out.

A listing of coaching changes and rumors for the Redskins.

Good link.If Gray does not get the DC job, is there any chance he could switch positions that he coaches? I know he was a safety as a player, but I though it could be interesting if he coached a different position.

 

[Bizkiteer]

oh yeah....my photographer buddy w/ the NFLPA said he's heard rumblings of fed ex getting an HD video board.

Yeah, for years they acted like it was impossible. I'm sure that was one of the main complaints on the Season Ticket Holder Survey they did this year. While Snyder's heart may not have grown three sizes recently, he's at least taking steps to win back fans that he realized he was losing.

Maybe that new scoreboard will have the scores of other games too.

Since the Cowpukes scoreboard blocks punts, maybe ours will block kicks.

 

[fatness]

Since the Cowpukes scoreboard blocks punts, maybe ours will block kicks.

I want a Woody Hayes scoreboard that reaches down and tackles opposing players.

 

[fatness]

Good lord redman screwed up the formatting of this page.

 

[fatness]

...Half of the Redskins assistant coaches met with new coach Mike Shanahan today; the other half is set to meet with him Monday. And he's told them he'll start interviewing candidates outside the organization starting Tuesday. The coach I spoke with was highly energized after his meeting. It's hard to know if he'll stick around, but he said the coaches who met with Shanahan came away with a strong desire to work with him. They like how thorough he's been in the interviews;he's not just going through the motions with them.

...Yes, Jerry Gray has a shot to become the next defensive coordinator. He has the players' support. The owner likes him, too. Cincinnati's Mike Zimmer's name has been mentioned quite a bit, but the one thing I would wonder is if the Houston job somehow came open -- and I'm not sure that it will -- would he rather be in Texas and near his two daughters? His wife died earlier this season. But if that job isn't open, and if the Bengals don't want to pay him a lot, then it's easy to see him coming to Washington.

John Keim

 

[Shaolin Hangman]

Good lord redman screwed up the formatting of this page.

Keep posting, fatty. The page will flip over eventually.

 

[Sebowski]

Good lord redman screwed up the formatting of this page.

redman? I thought that was Maroney. All three the same? Now I think I get those jokes about Maroeny's alias'...

 

[buster c]

other than quarterbacking skills, it's likely the age difference (although JC is surprisingly mobile for 52)

Please tell me the bold part is just a way for you to get to your joke about his formatting. I really hope you don't seriously think Rex Grossman is better than Jason Campbell.

I see them both in the low rent district of NFL QB's. Except for playoff wins & Super Bowl appearances, there's not much difference - they both suck.

If you want to label them both in the "suck" category, that's fine. But, there is a difference. Campbell is significantly better in completion %, INT%, AY/A, and QB rating.Check out TD/INT. Grossman is below 1.0. That's a level of very bad QBs (or good QBs in the 1960s; take your pick). Grossman's TD/INT is in the same range as Losman, Couch, Feely, Harrington, Carr, and McCown.

Campbell's TD/INT is statistically in the range of guys like Cutler, Leftwich, Roethlisberger, McNair, and Green.

JC simply does not pass the eyeball test. I've seen enough from the stands (usually on roadies where the gameday experience is 100% better) to conclude that our QB, guts and courage notwithstanding, simply is a low-rent guy. don't look at a stat (td/int, e.g.) and allow yourself to be deluded into thinking JC is a good NFL QB. he's not. what stat accounts for holding onto the ball too long? or not seeing an open man? if he's taking sacks because he's afraid to turn it over, is that something you can easily quantify? or do you place 100% blame on a leaky OL?stats are good, but the eye is better.

that said, I greatly admire him for his guts.

 

[fatness]

Good lord redman screwed up the formatting of this page.

Keep posting, fatty. The page will flip over eventually.

The damn page is 77 feet 2 inches wide. One end of it is in my neighbor's house.

 

[fatness]

Get this ####### page out of my house!

 

[Sebowski]

How about we all try to guess whether these guys will be on the opening day roster:

Campbell

Collins

Brennan

Portis

Betts

Rock

Ganther

Aldridge

Mason

Moss

ARE

Devin

Kelly

Mitchell

Cooley

Davis

Yoder

All our skill guys.

I'll post mine tomorrow.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Next Page Please

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Pretty Please

 

[pablito]

Pretty Please

 

[TankRizzo]

Pretty Please

+1 for the cause

 

[jenja]

Pretty Please

+1 for the cause

Next page please....

 

[Shaolin Hangman]

Good lord redman screwed up the formatting of this page.

Keep posting, fatty. The page will flip over eventually.

The damn page is 77 feet 2 inches wide. One end of it is in my neighbor's house.

Get this ####### page out of my house!

 

[TankRizzo]

3 more posts after this one?

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

3 more posts after this one?

2?

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

3 more posts after this one?

2?

1?

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Doing my part for the Redskins FBG community.

BUMP!