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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (2 Viewers)
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Shaolin Hangman
Footballguy
Hold on, I've got another statistical comparison for you to chew on . . .
dgreen
Footballguy
you mean you guys don't do 100 posts per page?rookies
Some of us still have 40+ more replies to go until the page flips. It usually makes us cooler than the other kids, but this is one of those rare occasions when I wish I was still a 50-pager.
fatness
Footballguy
dgreen
Footballguy
I'll say Campbell is in and Collins and Brennan are not. Right now, my guess (hope?) is they bring in a vet that maybe already knows the system fairly well (Rosenfels was already mentioned) and draft someone (hopefully not at 1.04). Collins will be cut early and the rookie will beat out Colt in preseason.
I think Portis has a conversation with Shanahan and sticks around. It seems Alridge was the first move made by Shanahan, so I'll say he makes the team. Betts, Rock, and Ganther are gone sooner rather than later. Mason loses out to a rookie in preseason.
ARE is gone and the rest stay. Some vet will be brought in. Maybe Brandon Marshall (not sure what Shanahan thinks of him).
Cooley and Davis stay, but watch out for a trade that involves Tony Scheffler (and maybe Brandon Marshall). If they trade for him, it will likely include Cooley or Davis. Yoder's going to be a FA, but will re-sign and be back.
IIRC, Collins signed a two year deal the year Zorn took over, so he's a FA now. He's gonzo.
I think Portis will be gone too, but maybe that's just wishful thinking.
And you guys don't have Caveman Sellers on the list. I'm not sure what to think about his future with the team.
I think Portis will be gone too, but maybe that's just wishful thinking.
And you guys don't have Caveman Sellers on the list. I'm not sure what to think about his future with the team.
dgreen
Footballguy
Upcoming free agents:
Jason Campbell (RFA)
Quinton Ganther
Todd Yoder
Will Montgomery (RFA)
Stephon Heyer
Mike Williams
Levi Jones
Chris Wilson
Renaldo Wynn
Phillip Daniels
Lorenzo Alexander
Kedric Golston (RFA)
Anthony Montgomery (RFA)
Rocky McIntosh (RFA)
Reed Doughty (RFA)
Ethan Albright
Hunter Smith
Bold = Guys to bring back
Carlos Rogers will be a RFA (or UFA if there's a cap). The final two years of his contract are voidable. I assume that means he can void them and become a RFA. Rabach's final year (2010) is voidable. I'm not sure which side can void it.
Jason Campbell (RFA)
Quinton Ganther
Todd Yoder
Will Montgomery (RFA)
Stephon Heyer
Mike Williams
Levi Jones
Chris Wilson
Renaldo Wynn
Phillip Daniels
Lorenzo Alexander
Kedric Golston (RFA)
Anthony Montgomery (RFA)
Rocky McIntosh (RFA)
Reed Doughty (RFA)
Ethan Albright
Hunter Smith
Bold = Guys to bring back
Carlos Rogers will be a RFA (or UFA if there's a cap). The final two years of his contract are voidable. I assume that means he can void them and become a RFA. Rabach's final year (2010) is voidable. I'm not sure which side can void it.
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dgreen
Footballguy
Looks like he signed a 6-year contract
with the last three years (2011-2013) voidable.
Good question. Kyle used a FB (Vonte Leach) on 42% of their offensive plays last year. It wouldn't surprise me if they looked to replace him, but he may stay another year.
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Sidewinder16
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Matt Terl has an interesting interview posted. He got to talk to Stefan Fatsis after Shanahan's presser. Fatsis was the sportswriter that went to Broncos training camp as a kicker a few years ago and wrote a book about it ("A Few Seconds of Panic"). There's not a whole lot that anyone would consider earth-shattering in there, but because of his experience he has a unique insight into what the fans and the 'Skins can expect from Shanahan.
Sebowski
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
He should be cut. There are better fullbacks available who can block and catch and run better. I thnk McClain is a free agent. Not sure what kind of money he'd want but probably close to what Sellers makes?
Stays: Campbell, Ganther, Aldridge, Kelly, D Thomas, Mitchell, F Davis, Yoder
Cut: Portis, Betts, Randel-El, Collins, Brennan, Cartright, Sellers
Traded: Moss, Cooley
Picked up in trades: Rosenfels, Cribbs
Picked up in FA: 2 OL, 1 OLB
Drafted: FS, OT, FS, RB, WR, QB....Rd 1: Berry or Okung
Defense: Berry immediately fixes a glaring hole on the defense. The only other immediate need is an OLB so Orakpo can focus more on pass rush.
Offense:
QB: I think you let Campbell and Rosenfels fight it out and draft a prospect to take over 2-3 years from now.
OL: Total building project, but 2 OL in FA + 1 in the draft gets OL a bit better.
RB: Shanny can live with just about any RBs, so I'm not sure he cares who is there. We do need a pass catching RB for his O, and his draft history suggests he'll get one in a later round.
WR: Thomas, Kelly, Mitchell + Cribbs? + draft pick is OK, but lacks separation ability. If we could get Boldin, that would be awesome, But I think it will take too much to get him.
TE: We just have to trade Cooley for something. Shanny uses TEs in a role that I don't think Cooley will have as much value in. But Davis could be used just like Owen Daniels was in HOU.
Special teams: could really, really use a Cribbs type player. He, or someone like him, could really help this team with field position.
Cut: Portis, Betts, Randel-El, Collins, Brennan, Cartright, Sellers
Traded: Moss, Cooley
Picked up in trades: Rosenfels, Cribbs
Picked up in FA: 2 OL, 1 OLB
Drafted: FS, OT, FS, RB, WR, QB....Rd 1: Berry or Okung
Defense: Berry immediately fixes a glaring hole on the defense. The only other immediate need is an OLB so Orakpo can focus more on pass rush.
Offense:
QB: I think you let Campbell and Rosenfels fight it out and draft a prospect to take over 2-3 years from now.
OL: Total building project, but 2 OL in FA + 1 in the draft gets OL a bit better.
RB: Shanny can live with just about any RBs, so I'm not sure he cares who is there. We do need a pass catching RB for his O, and his draft history suggests he'll get one in a later round.
WR: Thomas, Kelly, Mitchell + Cribbs? + draft pick is OK, but lacks separation ability. If we could get Boldin, that would be awesome, But I think it will take too much to get him.
TE: We just have to trade Cooley for something. Shanny uses TEs in a role that I don't think Cooley will have as much value in. But Davis could be used just like Owen Daniels was in HOU.
Special teams: could really, really use a Cribbs type player. He, or someone like him, could really help this team with field position.
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The ironic thing here is that the Redskins originally drafted Rosenfels and he was here as a 3rd stringer for 2 or 3 seasons. Was it Marty who picked him? Then IIRC he went to Miami, Houston and now Minny, where he was going to be allowed to compete for the starting job before Favre big-footed him.
I still think there will be a major roster turnover. Guys like Yoder and Mitchell will have a very difficult time making the team because Shanahan will want to bring in new scrubs and try to develop them in his system. The Redskins are not that young, so they may want to get rid of some of the older guys too.The only guys on offense that really have value for next year's team are: Campbell, Cooley, Davis, and Thomas. Another way to look at it: who will be on the team in 3 years, contributing on the playoff team the Allen and Shanahan are building? Cooley, Davis, and Thomas are really on the only locks. So they are the building blocks. Campbell is a maybe, depending on how well he gets along with Shanahan.
PantherPower
Footballguy
would Denver be dumb enough to trade Marshall for Santana Moss straight up?
What is Marshall's status? Is he due to be a free agent or restricted free agent soon?I doubt Moss would get more than a 5th rounder on the trade market. He is an older player with a big salary.would Denver be dumb enough to trade Marshall for Santana Moss straight up?
Sebowski
Footballguy
I don't think Minnesota will trade Rosenels. They just traded for for a year ago and he is pencilled in as the started if Favre retires.I do not want to trade for and pay Cribbs. He is great right now, but the specialty return players fade as quickly. Look at Dante Hall and Devin Hester. That is a role that should go to a 4th-6th round pick.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Catbird
Footballguy
I don't think Shannie trades or cuts much of anyone before he has a chance to work them out and see them play (maybe depending on what the DC thinks is needed and bloated contracts they can't survive). He is too smart not to judge for himself. I think Portis is the most likely big, early cut - and that's if he won't buy into and work the off season and camp plans - which would just answer Mike's lingering question and give Sleletor the example he'd like to flash to make sure everyone else buys in. Other than than, I would guess only salary/age cuts (ARE, maybe a deal involving Cooley if he thinks the other guys give him that leeway). But I think Shanahan keeps Collins until he has a chance to work with him and see what he can be taught - probably for a camp and season before deciding whether he has to move on. Shanahan doesn't think he needs a second coming QB for his system, just a guy who can avoid ALL mistakes and keep the defenses honest. And Cutler did look a lot better in that system than so far in Chicago. Almost no dynamic pro system requires less of the QB in physical talent than Shannies - you just better not make mistakes.
PantherPower
Footballguy
I agree buster. I mean, if they can't find an impact free agent, or rookie that is worth playing right away, let's give Collins a shot. He helped us win those last 4 wins of the season after Taylor's death, and had a QB rating of 106.4 over those 4 games, with 5 TDs and zero INTs.
buster c
Footballguy
and in his only game action this year when JC got dinged up, he hit Moss with a 40+ yard pass downfield...after they had been totally thwarted on O up to that point. look, he's obviously not the long-term solution, but he can keep the seat warm
I do NOT want to see them trading a 1st and a 3rd for Marshall.I agree with Buster. Collins isn't the long term solution and definitly has some faults, but he's cheap and on the roster and will do just about as well as anyone else they bring in.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
how long before the Z man is named DC?
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Come on Eagles
buster c
Footballguy
sure do. why? do you? fans watching rated him 3.5 (of 5) stars - better than hasselback's 3Todd Collins
29/50, 266 YDS, 2 TD, 2 INT
Key stat
The Seahawks linebackers -- Leroy Hill, Lofa Tatupu and Julian Peterson -- led the team in tackles. The trio was able to pressure starting quarterback Todd Collins for most of the game. Seattle had only four sacks but was constantly applying pressure on the Redskins quarterback.
game recap
Sebowski
Footballguy
I don't care how his stats ended. I remember watching the game and he wasn't very good. He doesn't throw those picks and we win. Now he is even older and slower. I'll take Campbell.
buster c
Footballguy
of course. I've never seen you let facts cloud your opinion
I don't think it really matters. All we are talking about is a place holder at QB since I think everyone can agree the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now. If Campbell wants to stay I don't have that much of a problem with it, if not Collins is just fine. At most I'd like to see them sign someone like Jeff Garcia for the vet minimum.
fatness
Footballguy
He won't do as well as Campbell.Amazing to me that people are willing to bail on a QB of Campbell's ability and then say an older guy with less ability like Collins would be "OK". But really that's what happens when a football team is run by hunches and splashes and patchwork over the years, with no good talent evaluation and no overall plan. It's contagious.
Backs up what I just said about talent evaluation.
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fatness
Footballguy
Shanahan's going to talk to the rest of the assistant coaches on Monday, start talking to outside candidates on Tuesday, and they may start making decisions Wednesday or later.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Before today, I never really saw Revis play a whole game. He is incredible.
There was one secondary player drafted ahead of him in the 2007 draft. Landry at #6 by the Redskins. Oof.
There was one secondary player drafted ahead of him in the 2007 draft. Landry at #6 by the Redskins. Oof.
fatness
Footballguy
Until he was smashed enough, injured enough, and finally out. Around game 3 or so. Offensive lines aren't plug 'n play. No matter who is drafted or signed next year will start off with a substandard offensive line, perhaps very substandard.
PantherPower
Footballguy
That just hurts.
PantherPower
Footballguy
they still hold a grudge against Doug Williams I guess
Sebowski
Footballguy
Yeah. It's just me and every coach in the league for the last 8 years that doesn't think Collins is an NFL starting QB.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Maybe I'm not saying it right. I just don't think Campbell is worth breaking the bank over. It won't break my heart if he goes somewhere else, for all his ability he has shown nothing but an average QB. I simply don't think the downgrade from Campbell to Collins is really that big of a deal on a team that is clearly rebuilding since neither is the long term solution anyway. Collins or Campbell is just keeping the seat warm.And because there has been splashes and patchwork over the years is exactly why I don't want them to go sign the best of whats available at QB. There isn't that much out there so the only solution is going to be to trade away draft picks for someone else's QB.
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