***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[buster c]

You guys both forget that Seattle playoff game?

Pass on Collins.

I agree with Buster. Collins isn't the long term solution and definitly has some faults, but he's cheap and on the roster and will do just about as well as anyone else they bring in.

He won't do as well as Campbell.Amazing to me that people are willing to bail on a QB of Campbell's ability and then say an older guy with less ability like Collins would be "OK". But really that's what happens when a football team is run by hunches and splashes and patchwork over the years, with no good talent evaluation and no overall plan. It's contagious.

fans watching rated him 3.5 (of 5) stars - better than hasselback's 3

Backs up what I just said about talent evaluation.

Maybe I'm not saying it right. I just don't think Campbell is worth breaking the bank over. It won't break my heart if he goes somewhere else, for all his ability he has shown nothing but an average QB. I simply don't think the downgrade from Campbell to Collins is really that big of a deal on a team that is clearly rebuilding since neither is the long term solution anyway. Collins or Campbell is just keeping the seat warm.And because there has been splashes and patchwork over the years is exactly why I don't want them to go sign the best of whats available at QB. There isn't that much out there so the only solution is going to be to trade away draft picks for someone else's QB.

the best 4 game run by the Redskins since 1992 was week 14-17 of the 2007 season when Collins took over for JC and his 5-7 record and ripped off 4 straight wins - including road wins in NY and MN - to lead them to the playoffs. just 2 years ago. JC could never do this. again, you either know how to play QB (#15) or you don't (#17)

 

[thayman]

the best 4 game run by the Redskins since 1992 was week 14-17 of the 2007 season when Collins took over for JC and his 5-7 record and ripped off 4 straight wins - including road wins in NY and MN - to lead them to the playoffs. just 2 years ago. JC could never do this. again, you either know how to play QB (#15) or you don't (#17)

It makes no difference to me who it is. Both are just a placeholder for someone they draft in the next 2 years.

 

[onehung]

Come on Eagles

FAIL

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Come on Eagles

FAIL

Who's this Tool?

 

[fatness]

Maybe I'm not saying it right. I just don't think Campbell is worth breaking the bank over. It won't break my heart if he goes somewhere else, for all his ability he has shown nothing but an average QB. I simply don't think the downgrade from Campbell to Collins is really that big of a deal on a team that is clearly rebuilding since neither is the long term solution anyway. Collins or Campbell is just keeping the seat warm.And because there has been splashes and patchwork over the years is exactly why I don't want them to go sign the best of whats available at QB. There isn't that much out there so the only solution is going to be to trade away draft picks for someone else's QB.

I agree about not breaking the bank for Campbell. I don't know why anyone would currently say that Campbell and Collins are equal, close to equal, or that Collins is better. Collins would not have survived this season, period. He would have been sacked 50% to 100% more times than Campbell, would not have led as many long drives as Campbell, would not have been able to roll out and avoid the ever-present rush like Campbell, would not have played hurt as often as Campbell, and would not have been as good as Campbell.buster's still stuck in the past, referring to 4 games in 2007 after Sean Taylor was killed as some sort of present indicator of Collin's talent. Those games indicated that a mediocre team could come together in 2007 for a brief stretch after the death of a respected and loved player, and play way over its head for a bit. Campbell's better since then, Collins is worse since then, there's no emotional event making the team play over its head, and the gap between Campbell and Collins is considerable. If Campbell was in Carolina this year they'd be in the playoffs. If Collins started for the Redskins this year they'd be 2-12 and on their 4th QB by now due to injuries.

 

[PantherPower]

I'm still hoping the Skins have a starter NOT named Campbell or Collins this fall. Colt, a rookie, a FA, I don't care. But we've all seen enough of this offense to know we need MAJOR change.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

I'm still hoping the Skins have a starter NOT named Campbell or Collins this fall. Colt, a rookie, a FA, I don't care. But we've all seen enough of this offense to know we need MAJOR change.

Kyle Orton, Denver Broncos (27) Losing Orton for the second half against the Redskins and having him forced off the bench against San Diego showed Orton’s real value to Denver, as the offense became anemic with Chris Simms. Without his efficient passing, the Broncos really struggle to put points on the board. It’s surprising the Broncos haven’t already looked to extend Orton who just does a great job leading the offense to long scoring drives. Maybe they’re hoping to get a little more leverage should the CBA fall through, which could allow the Broncos to keep Orton on a restricted tender. If he’s allowed to hit the open market, all hell could break loose. Orton doesn’t carry the aura of a franchise quarterback, but has now managed two different offenses to winning records. Jason Campbell, Washington Redskins (28) A big week of 367 yards and 3 touchdowns in the heartbreaker against the Saints a couple weeks back showed Campbell's potential. His numbers are actually improved across the board everywhere from a season ago, except interceptions where his total has doubled in three less games. Campbell has played better over the second half of the season, but it seems like he’s played his way out of Washington, who seems ready to gamble for an elite quarterback than stick with the so-so Campbell. With a number of talented quarterbacks possibly lining up to enter the 2010 NFL Draft, in a best case scenario, Campbell could possibly get a 1-2 year deal to compete as the starter on a quarterback-starved team. Chad Pennington, Miami Dolphins (34) Pennington wasn’t finding the same success this year as he had in last year’s great campaign, even before suffering another season-ending injury. His shoulder injury luckily showed no damage to his rotator cuff which has already been operated on twice. He should be able to start throwing again in January, but is unlikely to be retained by the Dolphins where Chad Henne has shown promise as one of the league’s best young quarterbacks. Henne has the arm strength to stretch the defense, something Pennington has always been heavily criticized for lacking. A 33 year-old Chad Pennington coming off a third shoulder injury won’t garner much excitement in free agency, but may have the opportunity to compete for a one-year job on a needy team. Pennington doesn’t have age on his side, the arm strength, or the durability to be considered anything more than a stop-gap solution at this point in his career. Tarvaris Jackson, Minnesota Vikings (27)It’ll be interesting to see how a season behind Brett Favre will have changed Tarvaris Jackson. He looked like a player showing gradual improvement with the potential to finally turn the corner this year. Favre’s retirement decision will likely come down to the last moment again and will depend on he and his team’s play down the stretch of the season. If a new CBA isn’t agreed upon, Jackson will become a Restricted Free Agent in which Minnesota will most likely retain him. If not, his decision to stay or leave Minnesota could very well come down to how Favre’s decision turns out, or he could stick it out and go the Aaron Rodgers patience route. Regardless, in the sparing time he’s gotten this year in blowout wins over the Rams and Seahawks, Jackson has completed a high percent and has a 124.0 QB Rating on the year through 15 attempts. Keep in mind he was coming of a preseason rating of 118.4. In limited playing time, the numbers game heavily favors Jackson over the last year. Kellen Clemens, New York Jets (27)Drafting Mark Sanchez spelled the end of Kellen Clemens’ future in New York. He was rather disappointing in his duty as a starter, making little progress before this season. If Clemens is satisfied as a career back-up, he could decide to accept a small contract to play behind Sanchez. When he finally got the chance to play in Buffalo, after Sanchez’s injury, Clemens took 3 sacks, threw 2 passes, and ran twice against a tough Bills pass defense in 22 snaps. Against a below average Buccaneers defense, he was only able to muster 111 yards through the air, minimizing mistakes and allowing his defense and running game do the brunt of the work. Clemens didn’t have a particularly great game, but could compete for a starting position on one of the league’s lesser teams if the Jets let him walk. Other Notable Free Agents: Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (35)Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (29)David Carr, New York Giants (31)Brodie Croyle, Kansas City Chiefs (27)Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (33)Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (30)Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (31)Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (37)Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (26) – Restricted FAChris Redman, Atlanta Falcons (33)Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (25) – Exclusive Rights FATroy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (26) – Restricted FA Continue to Free Agent RBs -->Matt Moore maybe?I would really like the CMU kid Lefevour, Shanny likes a mobile qb, Lefevour is that, and depending on his combine he may be someone we can get in the 4th rd. Also someone else that came out and may slide out of the 1st rd is Snead from Ole Miss. I agree with Panther. I wish JC all the luck in the world. Guy took a pounding and you could never take his man hood away. But now is the time for change, they are rebuilding, so I don't care if we don't get a franchise QB untill 2012.

 

[Shaolin Hangman]

Campbell, Moore, Redman and maybe Croyle are worth considering for a transitional period. I've always been intrigued by Troy Smith, but Shanny would never go for him. The rest . . . meh.

 

[PantherPower]

I'd take Jackson over Campbell any day. Jackson has actually hit WRs in stride further than 10 yards down the field.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Mort just reported Jake Locker could still leave Washington and play for Shanny.

 

[pablito]

I'd take Jackson over Campbell any day. Jackson has actually hit WRs in stride further than 10 yards down the field.

I'd be shocked if the Vikes let Jackson get away. I get the sense that they think he has really benefitted from watching #4. With his potential retirement looming, as always, TJax is better insurance than Sage.

 

[PantherPower]

I agree Pablito. I think they would be nuts to let him walk.

 

[Sebowski]

Good article on the fan revolt this year.

The fan revolt wanted change from the Washington Redskins. The empty seats, angry T-shirts and snarky signs were the largest revolt by die-hard supporters since the team's resurgence in 1969.

It wasn't the years of mediocrity, soaring prices and clueless player acquisitions that broke the fan base. It was arrogance from the owner's box that finally drove many fans to quit attending games and buying team merchandise.

Dan Snyder finally heard them. The owner forced out vice president Vinny Cerrato and fired coach Jim Zorn.

More opinion being written as fact. Do they even have editors anymore?

 

[buster c]

Maybe I'm not saying it right. I just don't think Campbell is worth breaking the bank over. It won't break my heart if he goes somewhere else, for all his ability he has shown nothing but an average QB. I simply don't think the downgrade from Campbell to Collins is really that big of a deal on a team that is clearly rebuilding since neither is the long term solution anyway. Collins or Campbell is just keeping the seat warm.And because there has been splashes and patchwork over the years is exactly why I don't want them to go sign the best of whats available at QB. There isn't that much out there so the only solution is going to be to trade away draft picks for someone else's QB.

I agree about not breaking the bank for Campbell. I don't know why anyone would currently say that Campbell and Collins are equal, close to equal, or that Collins is better. Collins would not have survived this season, period. He would have been sacked 50% to 100% more times than Campbell, would not have led as many long drives as Campbell, would not have been able to roll out and avoid the ever-present rush like Campbell, would not have played hurt as often as Campbell, and would not have been as good as Campbell.buster's still stuck in the past, referring to 4 games in 2007 after Sean Taylor was killed as some sort of present indicator of Collin's talent. Those games indicated that a mediocre team could come together in 2007 for a brief stretch after the death of a respected and loved player, and play way over its head for a bit. Campbell's better since then, Collins is worse since then, there's no emotional event making the team play over its head, and the gap between Campbell and Collins is considerable. If Campbell was in Carolina this year they'd be in the playoffs. If Collins started for the Redskins this year they'd be 2-12 and on their 4th QB by now due to injuries.

disagree with every word you wrote

 

[Sebowski]

Maybe I'm not saying it right. I just don't think Campbell is worth breaking the bank over. It won't break my heart if he goes somewhere else, for all his ability he has shown nothing but an average QB. I simply don't think the downgrade from Campbell to Collins is really that big of a deal on a team that is clearly rebuilding since neither is the long term solution anyway. Collins or Campbell is just keeping the seat warm.

And because there has been splashes and patchwork over the years is exactly why I don't want them to go sign the best of whats available at QB. There isn't that much out there so the only solution is going to be to trade away draft picks for someone else's QB.

I agree about not breaking the bank for Campbell. I don't know why anyone would currently say that Campbell and Collins are equal, close to equal, or that Collins is better. Collins would not have survived this season, period. He would have been sacked 50% to 100% more times than Campbell, would not have led as many long drives as Campbell, would not have been able to roll out and avoid the ever-present rush like Campbell, would not have played hurt as often as Campbell, and would not have been as good as Campbell.

buster's still stuck in the past, referring to 4 games in 2007 after Sean Taylor was killed as some sort of present indicator of Collin's talent. Those games indicated that a mediocre team could come together in 2007 for a brief stretch after the death of a respected and loved player, and play way over its head for a bit.

Campbell's better since then, Collins is worse since then, there's no emotional event making the team play over its head, and the gap between Campbell and Collins is considerable. If Campbell was in Carolina this year they'd be in the playoffs. If Collins started for the Redskins this year they'd be 2-12 and on their 4th QB by now due to injuries.

disagree with every word you wrote

So you think we should break the bank for Campbell?

 

[buster c]

Maybe I'm not saying it right. I just don't think Campbell is worth breaking the bank over. It won't break my heart if he goes somewhere else, for all his ability he has shown nothing but an average QB. I simply don't think the downgrade from Campbell to Collins is really that big of a deal on a team that is clearly rebuilding since neither is the long term solution anyway. Collins or Campbell is just keeping the seat warm.

And because there has been splashes and patchwork over the years is exactly why I don't want them to go sign the best of whats available at QB. There isn't that much out there so the only solution is going to be to trade away draft picks for someone else's QB.

I agree about not breaking the bank for Campbell. I don't know why anyone would currently say that Campbell and Collins are equal, close to equal, or that Collins is better. Collins would not have survived this season, period. He would have been sacked 50% to 100% more times than Campbell, would not have led as many long drives as Campbell, would not have been able to roll out and avoid the ever-present rush like Campbell, would not have played hurt as often as Campbell, and would not have been as good as Campbell.

buster's still stuck in the past, referring to 4 games in 2007 after Sean Taylor was killed as some sort of present indicator of Collin's talent. Those games indicated that a mediocre team could come together in 2007 for a brief stretch after the death of a respected and loved player, and play way over its head for a bit.

Campbell's better since then, Collins is worse since then, there's no emotional event making the team play over its head, and the gap between Campbell and Collins is considerable. If Campbell was in Carolina this year they'd be in the playoffs. If Collins started for the Redskins this year they'd be 2-12 and on their 4th QB by now due to injuries.

disagree with every word you wrote

So you think we should break the bank for Campbell?

let him sign elsewhere

 

[PantherPower]

I'd love to sign Campbell dirt cheap to be a backup. That's what he plays like, and that's what he's worth.

 

[fatness]

Another QB will certainly fix the O-line problems that were the cause of the collapse the last 1 and 1/2 seasons. Certainly.

 

[PantherPower]

I think its a given we'll draft and look for FA lineman. Both QB and OL are huge needs for this team.

 

[buster c]

Another QB will certainly fix the O-line problems that were the cause of the collapse the last 1 and 1/2 seasons. Certainly.

correct me if I'm wrong, but most here are saying not to draft a QB in rounds 1 or 2. It's just about #######g unanimous that OL1 and OL2 and OL FA signing, and OL UDFA ETC - what are you reading?

 

[thayman]

Another QB will certainly fix the O-line problems that were the cause of the collapse the last 1 and 1/2 seasons. Certainly.

We don't have a QB fix for this year, just a Band-Aid. I don't think our long term fix at QB is on the roster, nor is it likely to be on the roster in 2010.

 

[fatness]

correct me if I'm wrong, but most here are saying not to draft a QB in rounds 1 or 2. It's just about #######g unanimous that OL1 and OL2 and OL FA signing, and OL UDFA ETC - what are you reading?

Lots of crap that some other QB will do a better job for the Redskins next year behind an offensive line that stunk, isn't rebuilt yet, will take several years to rebuild if they're lucky, is comprised of unknown players, yet somehow is currently a problem that is either already solved for next year or at least worth ignoring as something that affects QB play.

 

[buster c]

correct me if I'm wrong, but most here are saying not to draft a QB in rounds 1 or 2. It's just about #######g unanimous that OL1 and OL2 and OL FA signing, and OL UDFA ETC - what are you reading?

Lots of crap that some other QB will do a better job for the Redskins next year behind an offensive line that stunk, isn't rebuilt yet, will take several years to rebuild if they're lucky, is comprised of unknown players, yet somehow is currently a problem that is either already solved for next year or at least worth ignoring as something that affects QB play.

JC exacerbates the OL problems. he holds onto the ball too long because he doesn't see the field well and is indecisive. I thought we had covered this.you have to be lucky to obtain a quick fix for the OL, but it's not like it's never been done before - witness the Jets (Ferguson/Mangold/Faneca acquired in one offseason transformed a weakness into a strength). Draft OL with picks 1 & 2, sign a good vet, coach 'em up, and you have improvement

 

[Bizkiteer]

correct me if I'm wrong, but most here are saying not to draft a QB in rounds 1 or 2. It's just about #######g unanimous that OL1 and OL2 and OL FA signing, and OL UDFA ETC - what are you reading?

Lots of crap that some other QB will do a better job for the Redskins next year behind an offensive line that stunk, isn't rebuilt yet, will take several years to rebuild if they're lucky, is comprised of unknown players, yet somehow is currently a problem that is either already solved for next year or at least worth ignoring as something that affects QB play.

JC exacerbates the OL problems. he holds onto the ball too long because he doesn't see the field well and is indecisive. I thought we had covered this.you have to be lucky to obtain a quick fix for the OL, but it's not like it's never been done before - witness the Jets (Ferguson/Mangold/Faneca acquired in one offseason transformed a weakness into a strength). Draft OL with picks 1 & 2, sign a good vet, coach 'em up, and you have improvement

I agree! The real problem could be that this off-season's FA OL group might not be as bountiful as they had that year. If that is the case, we might not have the ability to turn it around as significantly. As for JC, I really don't see the need to have to go out of our way to sign him. We will have a new offensives system in place, so any other QB (vet) will have the same growing pains as JC will have learning it. So, unless they want JC for more than a year, which I would not understand at all, then it really doesn't matter if he's retained. They better not break the bank for him!

 

[fatness]

John Keim talking about playoffs.

One more example of short-term "win now" thinking that has pervaded this team and slowly reduced it to one of the worst teams in the league.

 

[fatness]

One of the more immediate matters will be if there are any changes on Marvin Lewis’ coaching staff. The only departure at the moment is assistant offensive line coach Bob Surace, who will become the head coach at Princeton, but the key figure everyone is wondering about is defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer’s, whose contract is up.

The Bengals are expected to begin negotiations on an extension with Zimmer this week.

linkThe Bills are also reportedly interested in Zimmer.

 

[dgreen]

John Keim's Season Review: Quarterbacks

Looking back: Jason Campbell was not a Pro Bowler, but all you have to do is look what certain defenses did this past weekend to Donovan McNabb and Tom Brady. They were under pressure; they wilted and looked terrible. Campbell faced that sort of pressure each week. It helped for him that coaches began tailoring the game plan more to hide the weaknesses, allowing Campbell to survive a little better. But Campbell took good care of the ball considering the pressure he faced. He developed a better understanding of the pocket and even made a few plays. All things considered, playing behind a bad line, for Campbell to throw 20 touchdowns to 15 interceptions and an 86.4 passer rating represented a solid year.



Still need to see: Quicker decisions on certain routes and more patience on others. Campbell improved in both areas, but there were plays in most games where if Campbell had stayed longer with the receiver -- times when the blocking held up -- a big play could have resulted. Also, need to see a late-game drive for a win, the sort that provides confidence and a swagger.

Grade: B. A C in the first half; an A in the second. Given what he faced -- with the three-headed play-calling monster -- and the pressure he was under from the line, Campbell responded well. He showed toughness and improved at keeping his eyes downfield while under pressure. He did leave a lot of plays on the field early in the season and normally we would grade him harder for that; however, what he endured late gave him some extra credit. In the second half of the season, he was without a legitimate running game and his best tight end; he had still-developing young receivers and playing behind a line that stunk yet he still threw 11 touchdown passes to seven interceptions during that time. Maybe others could have done better; but many would have fared worse.

Where they're headed: Uncertainty. All we know for sure is that Mike Shanahan did not like Campbell coming out of college. I'm guessing his opinion hasn't changed that much, though his appreciation for Campbell after watching games this season might have increased. Should have, actually. My guess is that if they keep Campbell it would be for one year before handing the position to a young QB. Shanahan will judge Campbell not on whether or not he can win with him this season, but for the next five. Can he get better? One thing to know about Shanahan, based on people who have known and worked with him, is that he has a tendency to think he can turn any player into a good one. A bit confident. The hunch is that he'll take that attitude more with a young quarterback with tools and a still undefined ceiling rather than a 28-year-old coming off an admirable season. As for the backups, it's hard to say until we know what they'll do with the starter, but Todd Collins' lack of mobility will be an issue and Colt Brennan is far from a proven backup. If they draft a quarterback, one or both will be gone.

 

[Shaolin Hangman]

I'd take Jackson over Campbell any day. Jackson has actually hit WRs in stride further than 10 yards down the field.

10 yards downfield doesn't exist when you're getting hit on three-step drops. When Campbell has had time, and even when he's "only" had to avoid one rusher coming free, he's hit guys downfield a lot farther than 10 yards, and has done so in stride.

 

[dgreen]

Apparently Zorn may end up in Chicago. Our D better watch out for the HB pass on 3rd and goal from the 5 or the hook and lateral on the last play of the game from the 30.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Thoughts on Vick? If Eagles dont exercise the option is he a FA? Cant see him being to high of a price.

 

[Shaolin Hangman]

Thoughts on Vick? If Eagles dont exercise the option is he a FA? Cant see him being to high of a price.

I'd hire Vick as a grammar coach before I'd entrust my offense to him as a QB.

 

[PantherPower]

I'd take Jackson over Campbell any day. Jackson has actually hit WRs in stride further than 10 yards down the field.

10 yards downfield doesn't exist when you're getting hit on three-step drops. When Campbell has had time, and even when he's "only" had to avoid one rusher coming free, he's hit guys downfield a lot farther than 10 yards, and has done so in stride.

I've watched every Skins game since the late 70s, and all during Campbell's career. I can't remember more than a dozen times over his entire career that he's hit a WR in perfect stride for a deep ball. Has he made some long completions? Sure, but usually the ball was under thrown, or the result of a difficult catch. Seriously, he rarely ever throws that mid to deep perfect pass.

 

[Ravens]

Kyle Boller Problem Solved!

 

[Sylira21]

Thoughts on Vick? If Eagles dont exercise the option is he a FA? Cant see him being to high of a price.

I'd hire Vick as a grammar coach before I'd entrust my offense to him as a QB.

*nods* This.Vick's QB skills are questionable at best. And I can't see him stepping in and performing in a West Coast offense well as a full time starter.

 

[southeastjerome]

Why not offer Campbell a first year tender and see what happens. Who knows, maybe someone out there is willing to trade a pick for him. Draft a QB and then sign a guy like Garcia who excels running the WCO as a stop gap.

 

[fatness]

Why not offer Campbell a first year tender and see what happens. Who knows, maybe someone out there is willing to trade a pick for him. Draft a QB and then sign a guy like Garcia who excels running the WCO as a stop gap.

Garcia's over the hill and shot. That's why he's not on a team. The Redskins either need Campbell at QB, or better. Does anyone really think Shanahan will decide "yeah, I'll just plug someone in there to be a placeholder"?

 

[fatness]

Apparently Zorn may end up in Chicago. Our D better watch out for the HB pass on 3rd and goal from the 5 or the hook and lateral on the last play of the game from the 30.

It's amazing, isn't it? Chicago is considering him for QB coach or Offensive Coordinator.

 

[fatness]

the Broncos have told running backs coach Bobby Turner he can't talk to the Redskins, who would like him to re-join Mike Shanahan in Washington.The Denver Post has reported that in addition to Turner, Broncos strength and conditioning coach Rich Tuten, assistant strength coach Greg Saporta, special-teams assistant Keith Burns and director of football administration Mike Bluem all were longtime Shanahan associates who would likely be sought after by the Redskins. But if the Broncos won't let Turner go, it stands to reason they wouldn't let other team employees who are under contract leave, either.

PFT

The Broncos changed their mind on this. Also from PFT:

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Broncos will allow Turner to meet with the Redskins, and an interview is expected to occur this week.

UPDATE: We're told that Turner will be the associate head coach of the Redskins, and that he is close to accepting the job, if he hasn't already.

Things are picking up steam now.

 

[fatness]

Stump Mitchell is gone, and taking the HC job at Southern University.

Asked whether Portis would benefit from improved practice habits and better conditioning, Mitchell said, "that's a slam dunk. Clinton could've worked harder."

"He's got to do that, and Dan" -- owner Daniel Snyder -- "has to understand that that's what has to be done. In order for the Redskins to be successful, that's what Clinton has to do. He has to change the way he's done things in the past, in order for them to be successful as a team."

Mitchell thinks Portis is still capable of being a Pro Bowl-caliber running back in the league, but only if he prepares like one.

link

 

[thayman]

Why not offer Campbell a first year tender and see what happens. Who knows, maybe someone out there is willing to trade a pick for him. Draft a QB and then sign a guy like Garcia who excels running the WCO as a stop gap.

Garcia's over the hill and shot. That's why he's not on a team. The Redskins either need Campbell at QB, or better. Does anyone really think Shanahan will decide "yeah, I'll just plug someone in there to be a placeholder"?

Yes.Our QB of the future isn't on the team right now. Whoever starts this year is just keeping the seat warm for Shanahan's guy.

 

[Marvelous]

Another QB will certainly fix the O-line problems that were the cause of the collapse the last 1 and 1/2 seasons. Certainly.

correct me if I'm wrong, but most here are saying not to draft a QB in rounds 1 or 2. It's just about #######g unanimous that OL1 and OL2 and OL FA signing, and OL UDFA ETC - what are you reading?

I am not opposed to drafting a qb high. And I am one that thinks that Campbell could still be a decent qb. You have to take the talent when is it presented to you. I just want a good football person with sound judgement to make the decision.

 

[Marvelous]

the Broncos have told running backs coach Bobby Turner he can't talk to the Redskins, who would like him to re-join Mike Shanahan in Washington.The Denver Post has reported that in addition to Turner, Broncos strength and conditioning coach Rich Tuten, assistant strength coach Greg Saporta, special-teams assistant Keith Burns and director of football administration Mike Bluem all were longtime Shanahan associates who would likely be sought after by the Redskins. But if the Broncos won't let Turner go, it stands to reason they wouldn't let other team employees who are under contract leave, either.

PFT

The Broncos changed their mind on this. Also from PFT:

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Broncos will allow Turner to meet with the Redskins, and an interview is expected to occur this week.

UPDATE: We're told that Turner will be the associate head coach of the Redskins, and that he is close to accepting the job, if he hasn't already.

Things are picking up steam now.

With that title, Shanahan must really like Turner and think he will help out a lot.

 

[Marvelous]

Why not offer Campbell a first year tender and see what happens. Who knows, maybe someone out there is willing to trade a pick for him. Draft a QB and then sign a guy like Garcia who excels running the WCO as a stop gap.

Garcia's over the hill and shot. That's why he's not on a team. The Redskins either need Campbell at QB, or better. Does anyone really think Shanahan will decide "yeah, I'll just plug someone in there to be a placeholder"?

Yes.Our QB of the future isn't on the team right now. Whoever starts this year is just keeping the seat warm for Shanahan's guy.

Some Marvelous QB thoughts:1. If the CBA is not extended (almost a given at this point), Campbell is a restricted free agent. The Redskins should probably tender him at the 1st round level. If another team is willing to sign him and give up a low first round pick, they should probably let him go. If someone offers a high 2nd, they should probably consider it.

2. It takes time to develop qbs. So if there is a qb that Shanahan likes in the draft, he should go for it. That does not necessarily mean in the first round. I could be a low round, developmental project. But I fully expect Shanahan to draft a qb sometime in the draft.

3. If they trade Campbell away, I am sure Shanahan can find a serviceable qb from the free agents a la Bubby Brister or Steve Burlein. I expect Collins to be cut so Shanahan can bring in a qb that he has faith in.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

With that title, Shanahan must really like Turner and think he will help out a lot.

They probably also need to give him a better title and raise in order to move without compensation.

 

[thayman]

Why not offer Campbell a first year tender and see what happens. Who knows, maybe someone out there is willing to trade a pick for him. Draft a QB and then sign a guy like Garcia who excels running the WCO as a stop gap.

Garcia's over the hill and shot. That's why he's not on a team. The Redskins either need Campbell at QB, or better. Does anyone really think Shanahan will decide "yeah, I'll just plug someone in there to be a placeholder"?

Yes.Our QB of the future isn't on the team right now. Whoever starts this year is just keeping the seat warm for Shanahan's guy.

Some Marvelous QB thoughts:1. If the CBA is not extended (almost a given at this point), Campbell is a restricted free agent. The Redskins should probably tender him at the 1st round level. If another team is willing to sign him and give up a low first round pick, they should probably let him go. If someone offers a high 2nd, they should probably consider it.

2. It takes time to develop qbs. So if there is a qb that Shanahan likes in the draft, he should go for it. That does not necessarily mean in the first round. I could be a low round, developmental project. But I fully expect Shanahan to draft a qb sometime in the draft.

3. If they trade Campbell away, I am sure Shanahan can find a serviceable qb from the free agents a la Bubby Brister or Steve Burlein. I expect Collins to be cut so Shanahan can bring in a qb that he has faith in.

I agree with you, my whole point is I feel the team is in a multi-year rebuild no matter what and the QB is not the most pressing need.

 

[fatness]

I agree with you, my whole point is I feel the team is in a multi-year rebuild no matter what and the QB is not the most pressing need.

I agree it's a multi-year rebuild. But I don't agree that Shanahan will come in and willing take a step backward at QB.It would be wise to draft or acquire a young QB to bring along for the future. That's wise for any team. And Brennan's not the guy.

 

[fatness]

Stump Mitchell:

"That's the only disappointment that I'll have. The fact that I couldn't persuade Clinton to do it a different way," Mitchell said Monday. "I want Clinton to be the best back in the league. But in order for that to happen, you have to prepare for it. But I don't know if that's what Clinton wants to do."

 

[fatness]

According to the Denver Post, Turner -- who remained on the Broncos' staff after Shanahan was fired following the 2008 season -- has been offered the title of associate head coach with the Redskins.

Among the backs who Turner coached to prolific seasons in Denver was Clinton Portis, now with the Redskins. Two of the three best seasons of Portis's career came in his only two seasons in Denver -- 1,508 yards and a 5.5-yard per carry average as a rookie in 2002, and a career-high 1,591 yards and that same 5.5-yard average in 2003. He was traded to the Redskins the following offseason.

Barry Svrluga

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

I agree with you, my whole point is I feel the team is in a multi-year rebuild no matter what and the QB is not the most pressing need.

I agree it's a multi-year rebuild. But I don't agree that Shanahan will come in and willing take a step backward at QB.It would be wise to draft or acquire a young QB to bring along for the future. That's wise for any team. And Brennan's not the guy.

And either is Bradford

 

[Shaolin Hangman]

I agree with you, my whole point is I feel the team is in a multi-year rebuild no matter what and the QB is not the most pressing need.

I agree it's a multi-year rebuild. But I don't agree that Shanahan will come in and willing take a step backward at QB.It would be wise to draft or acquire a young QB to bring along for the future. That's wise for any team. And Brennan's not the guy.

And either is Bradford

Grammar called - it would like to set up an interview.