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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (2 Viewers)

Zimmer is staying with the Bengals.

Jim Haslett has already interviewed for the DC job with the Skins, and I believe Jerry Gray did also during his "debriefing" interview with Shanahan. Maybe it's not correct but I've always thought of Haslett as a big loud mediocrity. I'd like to see Gray get the job.

 
Shanahan waited a ong time to draft a "QB of the future" (Cutler) and when he did he traded up to get him. I trust he won't reach for a guy just to get the position filled. He will only take a QB if he grades him to be a star.

 
Haslett's defenses when he was a HC weren't all that good. When he was the DC for three years in Pittsburgh, they were pretty good but they were better before he got there and after he left. So, that doesn't speak too highly of him. His Rams defenses were bad, but consistent with the other Rams D recently.

 
Sebowski, watch this. I'm about to say something good about Dan Snyder.

At least Snyder (and Allen) had the decency to fire Zorn when the season ended. The other most-dysfunctional owner in the league (Al Davis) won't even meet with Tom Cable.

I even have my next compliment planned for Dan Snyder, and this will be it: "I give Dan Snyder credit for butting out of football operations for one entire year, and letting his football men run them." I just don't know what year I'll be able to post it. Hopefully next year.

By the way, read some of the comments on that article on Al Davis, they're hilarious.

 
fatness said:
I even have my next compliment planned for Dan Snyder, and this will be it: "I give Dan Snyder credit for butting out of football operations for one entire year, and letting his football men run them." I just don't know what year I'll be able to post it. Hopefully next year.
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Turns out Zorn was also breaking down tape with Snyder, at least early in this season.

The two men, owner and coach, would meet early in the week for an hour or two, and Zorn would literally break down game film with Snyder, explaining why certain plays were called and why they worked or didn't work.

Hellie asked the coach why he would take the time to do that with everything else he had on his docket. Zorn in turn explained that Snyder had wanted someone to watch tape with him and that "If someone was going to explain to him why plays were called and why things were run, I wanted it to be me, I didn't want it to be anybody else."
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Anyhow, sometime during the season the weekly film sessions stopped, perhaps as part of the broader changes instituted by Allen. For example, Hellie also talked to a player recently who had attempted to see the owner to lobby for his positional coach to keep his job.

"He was literally stopped at the door by the secretary, who said all football matters have to go through Bruce Allen," Hellie told me. Which seems to make some amount of sense.
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fatness said:
Sebowski, watch this. I'm about to say something good about Dan Snyder.

At least Snyder (and Allen) had the decency to fire Zorn when the season ended. The other most-dysfunctional owner in the league (Al Davis) won't even meet with Tom Cable.

I even have my next compliment planned for Dan Snyder, and this will be it: "I give Dan Snyder credit for butting out of football operations for one entire year, and letting his football men run them." I just don't know what year I'll be able to post it. Hopefully next year.

By the way, read some of the comments on that article on Al Davis, they're hilarious.
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So the present compliment (as opposed to the compliment-to-be-named-later) is that "Snyder is not as bad as Al Davis"? :fishing:
 
Shaolin Hangman said:
Seriously, I hope Gray lands it.
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I do too. He's not old, he's ambitious, he's been good everywhere he's coached. And the players either like him or are afraid of him (which is not a bad thing). When he took over Blache's press conference responsibilities without batting an eye is when I first started paying attention to him.
 
The Washington Redskins are expected to meet with Richard Mann about joining Mike Shanahan’s coaching staff, likely as the wide receivers coach, a league source said. Rick Stroud of the St. Petersburg Times reported that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers granted Mann permission to interview with an unknown organization before his contract expires next month. The source tells the National Football Post that Mann’s suitor is the Redskins where ex-Bucs general manager Bruce Allen is. The Redskins need to get more production out of their wideouts. They drafted Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly in the second round in 2008 and have yet to get a return on their investments. Mann is credited with doing solid work with the Bucs for the last eight season
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linkI know nothing abut this guy.

 
From Chris Wesseling's dynasty rankings for QB's. Chris is Fear & Loathing at FBG's, by the way.

23. Jason Campbell. Redskins | Age: 28.9 – Would like to see what he could do with a fresh start behind a solid offensive line and 2-3 years in the same offensive system. Statistically, he's coming off the best season of his career when everything crumpled around him.
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fatness said:
The Washington Redskins are expected to meet with Richard Mann about joining Mike Shanahan’s coaching staff, likely as the wide receivers coach, a league source said. Rick Stroud of the St. Petersburg Times reported that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers granted Mann permission to interview with an unknown organization before his contract expires next month. The source tells the National Football Post that Mann’s suitor is the Redskins where ex-Bucs general manager Bruce Allen is. The Redskins need to get more production out of their wideouts. They drafted Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly in the second round in 2008 and have yet to get a return on their investments. Mann is credited with doing solid work with the Bucs for the last eight season
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linkI know nothing abut this guy.
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:rollseyes: yeah because Clayton is probowl wr.
 
ChrisCooleyFan said:
fatness said:
The Washington Redskins are expected to meet with Richard Mann about joining Mike Shanahan’s coaching staff, likely as the wide receivers coach, a league source said. Rick Stroud of the St. Petersburg Times reported that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers granted Mann permission to interview with an unknown organization before his contract expires next month. The source tells the National Football Post that Mann’s suitor is the Redskins where ex-Bucs general manager Bruce Allen is. The Redskins need to get more production out of their wideouts. They drafted Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly in the second round in 2008 and have yet to get a return on their investments. Mann is credited with doing solid work with the Bucs for the last eight season
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linkI know nothing abut this guy.
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:rollseyes: yeah because Clayton is probowl wr.
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Maybe it was some of his coaching that made that rookie season possible for Clayton. He got the most out of Antonio Bryant. Joe Galloway's career was rejuvenated in Tampa. He seems to have gotten a good year out of an older Keenan McCardell. I wonder if he had a hand in the Keyshawn discipline.Like fatness, I know nothing about him. But, there does seem to be some good results of something in the WRs there. They never had top WRs, but seemed to get good production. I have PFR's data downloaded through 2008. Between 2002 and 2008, Tampa's WRs are 14th in receptions, 16th in yards, and 17th in TDs. Washington's been 21st, 24th, and 25th. I think it would hard to argue that Tampa has had more WR talent over that span.

 
PantherPower said:
23 best QB, that sounds about right. Well below league average, as most of us have been saying for years. :bowtie:
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23rd best dynasty fantasy football QB. Please, don't mistake that for NFL football. What Wesseling wrote about him is actually more NFL-important that the dynasty ranking.
Would like to see what he could do with a fresh start behind a solid offensive line and 2-3 years in the same offensive system. Statistically, he's coming off the best season of his career when everything crumpled around him.
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ChrisCooleyFan said:
Shaolin Hangman said:
fatness said:
Jerry Gray will interview for the defensive coordinator job in Washington this afternoon.
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More Rooney than Rooney. :unsure: Seriously, I hope Gray lands it.
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Why? So we can continue to have our DB's get beat? Not make interceptions? I wanna a fresh start.
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I agree on the fresh start.I was fine with Gray up until he went behind Zorno the Clown's back and interviewed for his job. I found that to be underhanded and disloyal. But then again, those qualities appear to be valued to Dan Snyder, so he'll probably get the job.

Unless we find out that Gray manned up and told Zorn what was going on before he interviewed - which is possible - I got no time for Backstabber Gray :confused:

 
UPDATE: The Redskins interviewed Mike Waufle on Monday for their defensive line coach position, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. Waufle is highly respected but was let go by the Giants last week as they shook up their defensive staff. :D

 
Also in the last JLC Link:

The Redskins are scheduled to meet with Bobby April about coaching special teams, according to sources. April recently left the Bills.
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dgreen said:
The way things are:

Anyhow, sometime during the season the weekly film sessions stopped, perhaps as part of the broader changes instituted by Allen. For example, Hellie also talked to a player recently who had attempted to see the owner to lobby for his positional coach to keep his job.

"He was literally stopped at the door by the secretary, who said all football matters have to go through Bruce Allen," Hellie told me. Which seems to make some amount of sense.
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Well, this is certainly an encouraging sign that Allen doesn't have any problems telling Snyder to cut out the crazy player fraternization. If he's willing to tell Snyder "no" and Snyder is willing to listen in this instance, this certainly bodes well for the way the rest of the football operations can be run.
 
ChrisCooleyFan said:
Haslett new DC

Hello 3-4 defense
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From Keim:
One NFL source said when Mike Shanahan was hired that he thought the Redskins might shift to a 3-4 front. They have used that in the past on certain downs, but not as a primary defense. Haslett has usually run a 4-3, but has experience in a 3-4.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/H...l#ixzz0cSscqsSK
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I don't think there's any way we see a 3-4 next year, if at all, as a base D. The personnel just isn't there. There's still a lot of good 4-3 talent and potential on the roster.
 
The deal with the Redskins heads off the interest of the NFC East-rival New York Giants, who were reportedly prepared to interview Haslett for their vacant defensive coordinator job on Wednesday.
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Mark Maske and Barry Svrluga
Haslett, who has a reputation of being unafraid to blitz, later used a 4-3 alignment with some of his later teams in New Orleans, where he served as head coach from 2000 to '05, amassing a 45-51 record. In 2008, he served as the interim head coach of the St. Louis Rams, when he went 2-10.
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Haslett, a former linebacker with the Buffalo Bills, built a stellar defensive reputation over his years as an NFL assistant, particularly with the Steelers, and then as the head coach of the Saints. Though his last few defenses weren't statistically solid -- as the interim head coach of the Rams in 2008, his unit ranked 29th in total defense, and his defenses in six years as the Saints' head coach averaged a ranking of 19th -- he retains a reputation as a creative defensive mind.
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Sounds like a guy on the down side of his career.
 
ChrisCooleyFan said:
fatness said:
buster c said:
solid, experienced, hard-nosed ex-player
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Failed head coach.
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And so was Ray Rhodes, but he was a fantasic DC
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Yeah, I think failure as a HC says very little about someone's ability to be an OC/DC. I mean, in genenral, superb performance as a coordinator is what lands you HC jobs anyway. HC's get saddled with a lot of other stuff that makes them less effective than they were as an OC/DC. Most HC's who are successful just multi-task and are better motivators or leaders. I've said that about Norv Turner for years. He's a great OC, but not a great HC because, like Zorn, he lacks that presence...that said (and his recent success aside), I'd take him as an OC any day of the week even though (again, recent success aside) he's been a failure on multiple occasions as a head coach.
 
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buster c said:
solid, experienced, hard-nosed ex-player
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Failed head coach.
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See my earlier post about his defenses. I'm not impressed by the numbers. I'm not saying whether he'll be good or not, but I don't see that he's actually been very successful. Actually, that could be a good thing here since it's a change. It seems like the usual around here has been "See who the top ranked guys were last year and go get them." Maybe Haslett's best days are ahead of him.
 
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I don't think there's any way we see a 3-4 next year, if at all, as a base D. The personnel just isn't there. There's still a lot of good 4-3 talent and potential on the roster.
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I think most people see Orakpo and want the 3-4. But, we don't want Andre Carter at the other OLB spot. I think he failed there in SF. And, we don't have the 3-4 DEs right now. Not even sure Albert is an idea NG in a 3-4.
 
dgreen said:
Sidewinder16 said:
I don't think there's any way we see a 3-4 next year, if at all, as a base D. The personnel just isn't there. There's still a lot of good 4-3 talent and potential on the roster.
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I think most people see Orakpo and want the 3-4. But, we don't want Andre Carter at the other OLB spot. I think he failed there in SF. And, we don't have the 3-4 DEs right now. Not even sure Albert is an idea NG in a 3-4.
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Physically, I think Albert is ideal to play the position, but if he was forced to play NT he would be a miserable cancer on the team.
 
the most important thing that can happen this offseason for our defense is to put Albert back in the same roll he had in Tennessee, and let Orakpo play his natural position. Oh, and get some secondary players that actually catch the ball when it hits them in the chest or hands. :confused:

 
This makes a lot of sense-

Jason Reid of the Washington Post's Redskins Insider gives us a glimpse into this. To quote his blog, Reid states, "...people who've spoken with Shanahan say he's not bowled over by Campbell, has some concerns about his mechanics and don't feel he's the long-term solution in Washington."

Reid's reporting is exactly why the Redskins should not bring Campbell back. Forget his toughness and perseverance. Forget the potential that might be there if he just had a better offensive line. Campbell has displayed horrendous mechanics and awful decision making. The Redskins cannot afford to have their future quarterback viewing the position through a Jason Campbell prism.

The Redskins need someone who knows Shanahan's offense and plays the position the way Shanahan dictates. Such tutelage would be akin to Favre/Rogers in Green Bay. This is not to say that someone like Rosenfels is comparable to a Hall of Fame player such as Brett Favre, but it is comparable that both know the current system.

If you need a Redskin example, look at how well Todd Collins played in relief of Campbell in 2007. Despite having limited action through his entire career, Collins engineered a playoff run. This only goes to show that having a quarterback who knows the system is valuable.

Campbell has not demonstrated that he is a valuable starter, let alone a quarterback any team would want to use to develop and up and comer. It is time to quit on this experiment. Campbell deserves a chance to be successful and the Redskins do too. Unfortunately, the two cannot make success together.

 
Posted at 3:24 PM ET, 01/13/2010

Turner reportedly takes Redskins' job

Bobby Turner, one of the architects of Mike Shanahan's running game with the Denver Broncos, has accepted a position on Shanahan's staff in Washington, according to the Denver Post.

Turner was offered a position Monday, but several members of the Redskins' staff said he hadn't accepted the job by Tuesday night. The Broncos originally denied the Redskins permission to speak to Turner, but apparently relented when the Redskins came back with an offer of a different title: associate head coach.

Turner, 60, did not immediately return messages left at his home Wednesday. His decision to accept the Redskins' offer puts into question the future of Sherman Smith, Washington's offensive coordinator the past two seasons under Jim Zorn. Smith, a former running backs coach in Tennessee, had been recommended to Shanahan internally, but if Turner coaches running backs with the Redskins, it's unclear what role Smith would play.

Spanos to coach linebackers

The Redskins have apparently locked up another defensive assistant as well. The Pittsbugh Post-Gazette is reporting that long-time Steelers assistant Lou Spanos will coach linebackers in Washington.

It could be a key position, if Shanahan opts to switch to a 3-4 defensive alignment. Spanos has been with the Steelers for 15 years and earned two Super Bowl rings there. He coached under Jim Haslett for three seasons when Haslett was defensive coordinator there.

While no official announcements have been made, the defensive staff is taking shape quickly. Former Broncos defensive coordinator Bob Slowik is expected to have a position on staff, likely coaching the secondary. Jerry Gray, who interviewed for both the head coaching job and the defensive coordinator position, could also still be around next season.

Spanos would replace linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti, the longest-tenured member of the Redskins' coaching staff. Olivadotti began coaching in Washington in 2000, as a defensive quality control coach. He began coaching the linebackers in 2007 and as given a lot of credit for the quick development of rookie Brian Orakpo, who will be playing in his first Pro Bowl.

 
Bugel: "Coming from Pittsburgh, working in the steel mills, hey, we didn't have a great vocabulary, but I knew how to swear. And at that time they weren't swear words, so I carried that over into the NFL. And I remember Woody Hayes telling me, once you get in the NFL, don't change a thing. Coach hard. That's when they love you."

Randy Thomas: "His wife has to have the same mouth. I mean, they have to be compatible, you know what I mean? Just imagine them two at breakfast, beep beep beep, cereal, beep."

Bugel: "I've got hittin' across the face a couple times when I said pass the --- potatoes, you know what I mean? She says 'You're not in Pittsburgh now.' "

Starke: "He'd throw stuff at you, sure. He wouldn't throw stuff at us. He was a very excitable guy. So if you're in a room with him and he's not happy with the play, how we blocked it, he might start throwing things against the wall, so it could rebound and hit us. He would throw film canisters and stuff. He's a very emotional guy."

Raleigh McKenzie: "[He sounded] almost like somebody's bungee jumping and about to hit the floor....What you heard [Wednesday] was basically a PG version of what he's about. Definitely PG."

Bugel: "My vocabulary wasn't real big, you know what I mean? I'll tell you, the guys get a kick out of that. They say Buges has every word in the book, you know what I mean? I'd say that's not swearing, that's just Pittsburgh language."

Thomas: "You've got a beeping system? Just beep beep beep, that type of thing."

McKenzie: "And at the same time he don't want you saying too much, because he'd have his wallet, and he'd say 'Look here, I don't want to hear those words coning out of your mouth. There's a picture in my wallet of my wife and kids in my bock pocket.' I was like, ok?' "

Thomas: "I'm gonna miss that little feisty guy. He is feisty....I've seen it at halftime, believe this. He would get up and say something. You just hope nobody hits him back. He's a fighter. When he talks to some guys you just hope that this guy ain't different, that he won't just hammer him, because buges will really try to drive you with his mouth."

Bugel: "I'm gonna be 70 years old. I'm not getting any younger. But I can still kick some butt."
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Starke remembered the playoff game with the Rams in '83, when 'Skins offensive line coach Joe Bugel told the team that the Rams players had wrapped up a Saturday practice by peeing on the Redskins emblem on the 50-yard-line. Incensed, the defending champs decided to hand out an obligatory butt-whupping. "We won that game something like 52-7," Starke said. "They never had a chance." Of course, Bugel made up the story ... but the players didn't find that out until later.
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That game paled in comparison to the '82 NFC Championship Game against the Cowboys. As the Hogs tell it, the fans had been chanting, "We want Dal-las! We want Dal-las!" during the playoff run, which transformed into something much more primal during the late stages of a convincing victory over Minnesota in round two. Near the end of that game, the chants intensified and 'Skins fans started bouncing up and down in unison. May remembers looking up from the field, seeing the sections swaying and wondering if the stadium was going to collapse like a house of cards.

The Hogs recalled how the stands at RFK Stadium rocked and swayed during the 1982 NFC Championship Game.

"Remember that?" he asked the other Hogs. "The stands were moving like 10 inches in the air."

Everyone nodded. You don't forget things like that. Somehow everyone made it out alive, but legend has it that the first and second sections actually compacted closer together by nearly a foot. When was the last time that ever happened at a football game?
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fatness said:
That game paled in comparison to the '82 NFC Championship Game against the Cowboys. As the Hogs tell it, the fans had been chanting, "We want Dal-las! We want Dal-las!" during the playoff run, which transformed into something much more primal during the late stages of a convincing victory over Minnesota in round two. Near the end of that game, the chants intensified and 'Skins fans started bouncing up and down in unison. May remembers looking up from the field, seeing the sections swaying and wondering if the stadium was going to collapse like a house of cards.

The Hogs recalled how the stands at RFK Stadium rocked and swayed during the 1982 NFC Championship Game.

"Remember that?" he asked the other Hogs. "The stands were moving like 10 inches in the air."

Everyone nodded. You don't forget things like that. Somehow everyone made it out alive, but legend has it that the first and second sections actually compacted closer together by nearly a foot. When was the last time that ever happened at a football game?
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That Dallas playoff game was the one where Buges was so fired up that he looked over at his d-line coach counterpart on the Cowboys sideline before the game, and yelled , "Hey, [name]! **** you!" and flipped him the bird. :lol: GB Buges.

 
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Yes, it was.

According to Warren, before that one, a hungover John Riggins -- the legendary running back, honorary Hog and Super Bowl XXVII MVP -- pulled all the lineman aside and told them, "I don't want to embarrass myself today. Don't give me any huge holes -- I don't want to get chased down from behind. Just give me little creases and let me bang off people. That's all I need. No huge holes." He was serious.
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That game sparked more memories than just about anything. Starke remembered how Bugel had quit smoking that season, but as the game grew closer and closer, he suddenly slipped off the wagon and became a chain-smoking maniac: "All week, Buges had been urging us to keep our composure, stay in control, and then by the third quarter, he's holding up both middle fingers, pointing them across the sideline and telling (Cowboys defensive coach Ernie) Stautner, 'F--- you!!!!!' He was more out of control than anybody!"
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That was also the same game when the 'Skins were running out the clock and ran the same play (50 Gut) nine times in a row. After the second or third play, Grimm and Bostic decided to have some fun and tell Cowboys lineman Randy White that the play was coming. And they kept running it, anyway. By the fifth or sixth time, Warren (pulling on the play) was coming over to block White, but a frustrated White was ignoring the running back and simply trying to level Warren every time. "Everyone in the huddle was laughing," said Warren. "I was the only one who wasn't having too much fun."
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That was also the same game when the 'Skins were running out the clock and ran the same play (50 Gut) nine times in a row. After the second or third play, Grimm and Bostic decided to have some fun and tell Cowboys lineman Randy White that the play was coming. And they kept running it, anyway. By the fifth or sixth time, Warren (pulling on the play) was coming over to block White, but a frustrated White was ignoring the running back and simply trying to level Warren every time. "Everyone in the huddle was laughing," said Warren. "I was the only one who wasn't having too much fun."
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They told him, "Randy, Joe (Gibbs) likes you," or something like that. :rolleyes:
 
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