***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (3 Viewers)

[Captain Placeholder]

I hope all Gibbs detractors who continue to lambast him for calling back-to-back timeouts in '07 noticed senile Brent Farve try to call a 2nd timeout when he was trying to avoid a too many men on the field penalty as the Vikes were driving for the winning FG. Favre was saved by the ref flagging the infraction and not granting the TO

What does Favre almost doing this have to do with Gibbs doing it?

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

I hope all Gibbs detractors who continue to lambast him for calling back-to-back timeouts in '07 noticed senile Brent Farve try to call a 2nd timeout when he was trying to avoid a too many men on the field penalty as the Vikes were driving for the winning FG. Favre was saved by the ref flagging the infraction and not granting the TO

What does Favre almost doing this have to do with Gibbs doing it?

Favre did do it, they just got flagged for 12 men, could of called either pentalty.

 

[Captain Placeholder]

I hope all Gibbs detractors who continue to lambast him for calling back-to-back timeouts in '07 noticed senile Brent Farve try to call a 2nd timeout when he was trying to avoid a too many men on the field penalty as the Vikes were driving for the winning FG. Favre was saved by the ref flagging the infraction and not granting the TO

What does Favre almost doing this have to do with Gibbs doing it?

Favre did do it, they just got flagged for 12 men, could of called either pentalty.

And?

 

[fatness]

London Fletcher made the Pro Bowl, replacing Vilma.

 

[DCThunder]

London Fletcher made the Pro Bowl, replacing Vilma.

He's also a finalist for the NFL Man of The Year Award.

 

[Captain Placeholder]

London Fletcher made the Pro Bowl, replacing Vilma.

He's also a finalist for the NFL Man of The Year Award.

Good for him. Long overdue.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

This thread is a joke, what Favre showed tonight is insane. No other qb would of been able to endure those hits.

Oh baloney. Jason Campbell got hit like that regularly this year.

So your saying you did watch games this year?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Haslett, on the potential to use a 3-4 defense:

More 3-4 thoughts

New defensive coordinator Jim Haslett recently said he is considering changing from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense. Haslett believes the Redskins have the personnel to make a smooth transition and Fletcher said he thinks the Redskins have the talent to succeed in any scheme. "I think we do," he said. "There's a lot of teams that play 34 defenses. And really, some of the things we did last year were of a 3-4 defensive concept even though we didn't necessarily call it a 34.

"Our main defense was basically an under front that was similar, really, to what Dallas did . . . the way we aligned our front. The only difference was instead having a stand-up outside linebacker, Andre Carter just had his hand on the ground. You can imagine him standing up, we're pretty much Dallas."

Careful there, Jimmy.

 

[Captain Placeholder]

Haslett, on the potential to use a 3-4 defense:

More 3-4 thoughts

New defensive coordinator Jim Haslett recently said he is considering changing from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense. Haslett believes the Redskins have the personnel to make a smooth transition and Fletcher said he thinks the Redskins have the talent to succeed in any scheme. "I think we do," he said. "There's a lot of teams that play 34 defenses. And really, some of the things we did last year were of a 3-4 defensive concept even though we didn't necessarily call it a 34.

"Our main defense was basically an under front that was similar, really, to what Dallas did . . . the way we aligned our front. The only difference was instead having a stand-up outside linebacker, Andre Carter just had his hand on the ground. You can imagine him standing up, we're pretty much Dallas."

Careful there, Jimmy.

Yeah, another "burgundy & black" moment. Oh, and I have a tough time imagining Andre Carter standing up. I think he'll discover fire before he fully stands upright.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Haslett, on the potential to use a 3-4 defense:

More 3-4 thoughts

New defensive coordinator Jim Haslett recently said he is considering changing from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense. Haslett believes the Redskins have the personnel to make a smooth transition and Fletcher said he thinks the Redskins have the talent to succeed in any scheme. "I think we do," he said. "There's a lot of teams that play 34 defenses. And really, some of the things we did last year were of a 3-4 defensive concept even though we didn't necessarily call it a 34.

"Our main defense was basically an under front that was similar, really, to what Dallas did . . . the way we aligned our front. The only difference was instead having a stand-up outside linebacker, Andre Carter just had his hand on the ground. You can imagine him standing up, we're pretty much Dallas."

Careful there, Jimmy.

Yeah, another "burgundy & black" moment. Oh, and I have a tough time imagining Andre Carter standing up. I think he'll discover fire before he fully stands upright.

Ooops.Actually, if the quote is read correctly (which I didn't do at first; see underlined part above), it's actually Fletcher making those comments about the 3-4, not Haslett.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

18 years ago today was the last time the Skins won the Superbowl

 

[grapeape]

18 years ago today was the last time the Skins won the Superbowl

Man that was a loooooong time ago.

 

[fatness]

Redskins' strength and conditioning staff is let go

Near the end of the article there's actually something interesting:

General manager Bruce Allen is at the Senior Bowl this week, and so is Scott Campbell, the team's director of player personnel -- and a team employee since 2001.

Campbell was considered one of Vinny Cerrato's top lieutenants and played an active role in the Redskins' recent drafts. He appears to be playing an active role this week, as well. While coaches watched from the stands, Campbell spent Tuesday as one of the team's designees to watch practices up-close from the playing field.

 

[fatness]

More

We're between practices at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. The Redskins' contingent was out in force this morning, watching the North team practice.

Scott Campbell, still the team's director of player personnel, watched much of practice from the field, taking notes the entire time, while coaches and scouts mostly watched from the stands.

Most of the Redskins' coaching staff is on-hand in Mobile, though the team hasn't announced its full staff and is still searching for a wide receivers coach.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Adam_Schefter Washington will hire former Pro Bowl WR Keenan McCardell as its WR coach. McCardell was a coaching intern last summer with N.Y. Giants.

 

[fatness]

What they need: A free safety, so they can move Landry to strong. Is Kareem Moore that guy? Wouldn't count on it; he's shown in spurts that he can help, but that's not enough. Depending on the CBA, Rogers could be an unrestricted free agent. But it looks more and more like he'll be restricted. Kevin Barnes did not show he could play and Tryon does not project to a future starter.

Where they're headed:I wouldn't be surprised if they added a corner this offseason, whether through free agency or the draft. It would be nice if this person could also return punts or kicks, too. It's hard to say what they'll do with Rogers. One report had the Redskins talking a while to Syd'Quan Thompson from South Carolina at the Senior Bowl. He'll be picked in the top three rounds; they wouldn't do that unless there was an opening.

Grade: C+. Too many big plays allowed and not enough made. Hall bumps this grade up. Too many guys were just average. More is needed from Landry; his speed is fantastic and he helps disguise things defensively. It might have been the scheme not allowing them to be more aggressive; we'll find out this season if that's true or not.

John Keim

 

[Sidewinder16]

What they need: A free safety, so they can move Landry to strong.

John Keim

Ryan Clark is set to be a UFA.

 

[saintfool]

Haslett, on the potential to use a 3-4 defense:

More 3-4 thoughts

New defensive coordinator Jim Haslett recently said he is considering changing from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense. Haslett believes the Redskins have the personnel to make a smooth transition and Fletcher said he thinks the Redskins have the talent to succeed in any scheme. "I think we do," he said. "There's a lot of teams that play 34 defenses. And really, some of the things we did last year were of a 3-4 defensive concept even though we didn't necessarily call it a 34.

"Our main defense was basically an under front that was similar, really, to what Dallas did . . . the way we aligned our front. The only difference was instead having a stand-up outside linebacker, Andre Carter just had his hand on the ground. You can imagine him standing up, we're pretty much Dallas."

Careful there, Jimmy.

what would this mean for someone like orakpo? similar to what denver did with dumervil maybe?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Haslett, on the potential to use a 3-4 defense:

what would this mean for someone like orakpo? similar to what denver did with dumervil maybe?

I don't know about a Dumervil comparison, but if the 3-4 does get installed in DC, I've read speculation that Orakpo would be used like Dallas uses Ware.

 

[Captain Placeholder]

Haslett, on the potential to use a 3-4 defense:

what would this mean for someone like orakpo? similar to what denver did with dumervil maybe?

I don't know about a Dumervil comparison, but if the 3-4 does get installed in DC, I've read speculation that Orakpo would be used like Dallas uses Ware.

 

[Marvelous]

What they need: A free safety, so they can move Landry to strong.

John Keim

Ryan Clark is set to be a UFA.

I think Clark was an UFA last year and re-signed with the Redskins for a pretty modest contract.

 

[Marvelous]

What they need: A free safety, so they can move Landry to strong. Is Kareem Moore that guy? Wouldn't count on it; he's shown in spurts that he can help, but that's not enough. Depending on the CBA, Rogers could be an unrestricted free agent. But it looks more and more like he'll be restricted. Kevin Barnes did not show he could play and Tryon does not project to a future starter.

Where they're headed:I wouldn't be surprised if they added a corner this offseason, whether through free agency or the draft. It would be nice if this person could also return punts or kicks, too. It's hard to say what they'll do with Rogers. One report had the Redskins talking a while to Syd'Quan Thompson from South Carolina at the Senior Bowl. He'll be picked in the top three rounds; they wouldn't do that unless there was an opening.

Grade: C+. Too many big plays allowed and not enough made. Hall bumps this grade up. Too many guys were just average. More is needed from Landry; his speed is fantastic and he helps disguise things defensively. It might have been the scheme not allowing them to be more aggressive; we'll find out this season if that's true or not.

John Keim

I thought the whole secondary really did not have a good year last year. So I thought it was odd that Gray would be considered for the HC position and then the DC position here, then in Seattle. I know Gray has experience a in general, a good resume, but last year sure did not help him out.

 

[fatness]

I think Clark was an UFA last year and re-signed with the Redskins for a pretty modest contract.

I think you meant with the Steelers?

 

[fatness]

I thought the whole secondary really did not have a good year last year. So I thought it was odd that Gray would be considered for the HC position and then the DC position here, then in Seattle. I know Gray has experience a in general, a good resume, but last year sure did not help him out.

My personal opinion is that every bit of defensive strategy was decided upon by Greg Blache, and that Gray and other position coaches were left to teach technique only.

 

[Sebowski]

What they need: A free safety, so they can move Landry to strong.

John Keim

Ryan Clark is set to be a UFA.

I think Clark was an UFA last year and re-signed with the Redskins for a pretty modest contract.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...=NFL&id=979

NFL.com's Jason La Canfora confirms that the Steelers consider retaining free agent NT Casey Hampton an offseason priority.

Owner Art Rooney II said as much a couple of weeks back. La Canfora also says Pittsburgh is trying hard to retain free agent FS Ryan Clark. Clark isn't a candidate for the franchise tag, but Hampton will likely get it if the sides can't work out a 2-3 year deal. There's next to no chance Hampton gets away.

 

[nicole320]

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[ChrisCooleyFan]

In LaFleur, Redskins have coach whose specialty is passing

With four coaches under the age of 35, Mike Shanahan's offensive coaching staff will be significantly younger than the one that preceded it.

One of the most intriguing hires was quarterbacks coach Matt LaFleur, who followed offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan from Houston and was relatively unknown outside the Texans' organization. LaFleur was previously an offensive assistant and comes to Washington with rave reviews from Gary Kubiak, the Texans' head coach who expects LaFleur to greatly aid Kyle Shanahan.

"I think every coordinator needs a right-hand guy, from a quarterbacks standpoint, to be with him. He'll do a great job," Kubiak said. "He's just getting started. He's a very bright young man. To be hones with you, he's a lot like Kyle was four or five years ago."

The Texans hired LaFleur in 2008 on the recommendation of his good friend Robert Saleh, the Texans' assistant linebackers coach. LaFleur had previously held offensive coaching positions at Ashland University, Northern Michigan, Central Michigan and Saginaw Valley State.

With the Texans, LaFleur worked with receivers in his first year. Andre Johnson led the league with 115 catches and 1,575 receiving yards that season, and in Year 2, Kubiak decided to to put LaFleur with the quarterbacks. Last season, Matt Schaub led the league with 4,770 passing yards and 396 completions. The Texans' offense was ranked first in passing (4,654 yards).

 

[grapeape]

I keep hearing the Skins are likely to retain Campbell. I really hope that is just talk to help his trade value. After seeing the success that Flacco and Ryan had last year, and Sanchez (and to a lesser extent Freeman and Stafford) had this year, I'd like to see Shanny get his own QB, one that has touch on a deep ball and doesn't fold under pressure. I think its time to move forward, they got rid of Vinny and Zorny, and if Portis is to follow, Campbell should be right there behind him. Just my humble opinion.

 

[Captain Placeholder]

I keep hearing the Skins are likely to retain Campbell. I really hope that is just talk to help his trade value. After seeing the success that Flacco and Ryan had last year, and Sanchez (and to a lesser extent Freeman and Stafford) had this year, I'd like to see Shanny get his own QB, one that has touch on a deep ball and doesn't fold under pressure. I think its time to move forward, they got rid of Vinny and Zorny, and if Portis is to follow, Campbell should be right there behind him. Just my humble opinion.

Even with all of his well-documented shortcomings, you don't jettison Campbell unless you have a superior alternative, which is . . . ?

 

[fatness]

After seeing the success that Flacco and Ryan had last year, and Sanchez (and to a lesser extent Freeman and Stafford) had this year, I'd like to see Shanny get his own QB, one that has touch on a deep ball and doesn't fold under pressure.

I'd like to disagree about Flacco. I don't think he's been better than Campbell the last 2 years.2008

2009

 

[grapeape]

After seeing the success that Flacco and Ryan had last year, and Sanchez (and to a lesser extent Freeman and Stafford) had this year, I'd like to see Shanny get his own QB, one that has touch on a deep ball and doesn't fold under pressure.

I'd like to disagree about Flacco. I don't think he's been better than Campbell the last 2 years.2008

2009

Campbell and Flacco are close, but I still would prefer Flacco.

 

[pablito]

With four coaches under the age of 35, Mike Shanahan's offensive coaching staff will be significantly younger than the one that preceded it.

With all due respect to Buges, I'm liking this...

 

[Dexter Manley]

After seeing the success that Flacco and Ryan had last year, and Sanchez (and to a lesser extent Freeman and Stafford) had this year, I'd like to see Shanny get his own QB, one that has touch on a deep ball and doesn't fold under pressure.

What did the teams that Flacco, Ryan, and Sanchez play on have in common? A lot better OL than we have. As did TB last year. Hell, even though Detroit's oline is no great shakes, there's only 1 guy on the Skins line that was starting the last half of the season that would have started for Detroit.I don't see how the Skins can possibly rebuild the entire OL this offseason unless there's a wizard hat involved. The smart move is to keep JC, and start him over whatever QB they take in draft. We don't need to develop another QB the same way we developed Patrick Ramsey.

 

[Sidewinder16]

I think Clark was an UFA last year and re-signed with the Redskins for a pretty modest contract.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...=NFL&id=979

NFL.com's Jason La Canfora confirms that the Steelers consider retaining free agent NT Casey Hampton an offseason priority.

Owner Art Rooney II said as much a couple of weeks back. La Canfora also says Pittsburgh is trying hard to retain free agent FS Ryan Clark. Clark isn't a candidate for the franchise tag, but Hampton will likely get it if the sides can't work out a 2-3 year deal. There's next to no chance Hampton gets away.

Vinnie Iyer of the Sporting News is tracking his Top 99 Free Agents (Clark in on there as an unrestricted FA). Obviously a good bit is still up in the air regarding the CBA, and any of those names could potentially agree to extensions/new contracts with their current teams, not to mention the possibility of franchise/transition tags. But it's a good, reliable starting place to get an idea of (potential) FAs available after March 5.Any way you cut it, the FA QB cupboard is bare. There are a lot of interesting names on that list, though.

 

[fatness]

What did the teams that Flacco, Ryan, and Sanchez play on have in common? A lot better OL than we have. As did TB last year. Hell, even though Detroit's oline is no great shakes, there's only 1 guy on the Skins line that was starting the last half of the season that would have started for Detroit.

This is true and often forgotten. The disastrous performance of the O-line the last season and a half has really skewed views on the abilities of Campbell, the RB's, and even the defense (which was on the field way too much).

 

[Sidewinder16]

What did the teams that Flacco, Ryan, and Sanchez play on have in common? A lot better OL than we have. As did TB last year. Hell, even though Detroit's oline is no great shakes, there's only 1 guy on the Skins line that was starting the last half of the season that would have started for Detroit.

This is true and often forgotten. The disastrous performance of the O-line the last season and a half has really skewed views on the abilities of Campbell, the RB's, and even the defense (which was on the field way too much).

Football Outsiders just presented their 2009 data on their Adjusted Games Lost (AGL) stat (link found from Steinberg's blog). How they determine AGL:

To compile injury data, we use a metric called Adjusted Games Lost (AGL), introduced in Pro Football Prospectus 2008. AGL uses the injury report, the league's various long-term injury lists, and historical rates of participation to measure the level of impact injuries have on a team's starters in a given season. A player listed as Probable, for example, produces a fraction of the AGL that a player listed as Out does, because the historical rate of participation for starters with such injury designations is dramatically different.

The result is a figure representing an estimate of how many "games" each team's starters missed in a given season. AGL is more accurate than simply counting "starter games lost" because, by counting appearances on the injury report, it also accounts for fact that playing hurt means playing at less than full strength. NFL teams recorded an average of 53.9 AGL this season, roughly the equivalent of losing three starters for the entire season in training camp.

The Redskins were the most injured offense in the league, based on this metric. Their offense alone "lost more games to injury" than the NFL team average.

Washington had the most-injured offense in football, with 55.2 AGL on offense alone. They were 22nd on defense. For essentially the second half of the season, they were playing down four offensive starters every week: halfback Clinton Portis (and would-be starter Ladell Betts), tight end Chris Cooley, and offensive linemen Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas.

 

[buster c]

new uniforms?

what do you guys think of this?

I would not be opposed to a make-over. The current uni's have not changed in 30 years. Let's move on.

edit to add another link with more classic stylings (love the arrow helmet):

uniform change

 

[Marvelous]

I think Clark was an UFA last year and re-signed with the Redskins for a pretty modest contract.

I think you meant with the Steelers?

My error. I mistook Ryan Clark for Reed Doughty. Nevermind.

 

[fatness]

uniform change

I like those.

 

[Sebowski]

I like the second half from the second link. I don't want a radical change like going to black or changing the helmet.

 

[Sebowski]

LOVED this. Especially considering it is from Haynesworth's long-time coach who wanted him to go to Detroit with him.

Haynesworth will be fine in 3-4, says his ex-coachJanuary, 29, 2010Jan 297:16PM ETEmail Print ShareBy Matt MosleyWashington Post writer Rick Maese had the good sense to ask Albert Haynesworth's former defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz about how the defensive tackle will perform in a 3-4 scheme. Schwartz, now the head coach of the Lions, is one of the best in the league at explaining concepts to players -- and reporters."There's a lot of different kind of 3-4s," Schwartz told Maese. "You could do a 3-4 where you're using space. There's a stunting 3-4, where you're going at a player, which is similar to what [Haynesworth] has done. You could do a combination of both. Chicago is a combination. Pittsburgh a bit more of a stunting 3-4, a blitzing 3-4. San Diego is a little bit more of a big nose. New England, Cleveland, Miami and those guys are more of a hunt and pound. I think, Haslett, with his experience, if he goes 3-4, he'll figure out the best way to make it work."Schwartz's overriding message was that Haynesworth is talented enough to be successful in any scheme -- and I tend to agree with that assessment. In Jim Haslett's 3-4, there's a good chance that Haynesworth will be able to play nose tackle and defensive end.He'll adapt," said Schwartz of Haynesworth. "There's always an adjustment period. His whole career, he had one scheme. He had his same position coach his entire career, the same defensive coordinator his entire career, the same head coach his entire career, and suddenly it all changed in a year. But he's talented, and he'll adapt and he'll be just as good in another scheme."

 

[Captain Placeholder]

new uniforms?

what do you guys think of this?

I would not be opposed to a make-over. The current uni's have not changed in 30 years. Let's move on.

edit to add another link with more classic stylings (love the arrow helmet):

uniform change

Quit gaying up the unis with monochromatic (including white/white, except maybe on the very hottest days) or "burgundy and black" experiments. Occasional novelties like the yellow helmets/pants (which I actually liked) are fine, but stick with the classic white/burgundy and burgundy/white combo, which are some of the best looking unis in the league (especially the burgundy jersey).

 

[buster c]

Zorn joins Ravens as QB coach



hope he does well

surprised he didn't end up in cleveland with holmgren

eta: from and organizational perspective, he's going from one of the worst (snyder, et al) to one of the best (bisciotti/ozzie)

 

[Captain Placeholder]

Zorn joins Ravens as QB coach



hope he does well

surprised he didn't end up in cleveland with holmgren

eta: from and organizational perspective, he's going from one of the worst (snyder, et al) to one of the best (bisciotti/ozzie)

I wish Zorn nothing but the best. He's a class act and a good guy.

 

[Sebowski]

roto

Julius Peppers' agent, Carl Carey, doesn't think his client will be back with the Panthers next season.Carey said the Panthers have "not made a single inquiry this offseason" about Peppers, an impending unrestricted free agent. "Julius wants to thank the Carolina fans and know their support has meant a lot to him over the years," Carey said. Peppers will fetch a hefty price tag on the open market in an uncapped year, with the Eagles, Falcons and Patriots among possible landing spots.

Fist, can't believe they didn't mention the Redskins. First time that has ever happened with an impending high priced FA.B, (hehe) He has always wanted to play in a 3-4. In an uncapped year with a weak FA class, why not? Only good reason I can think of is that the cap might come back. If that happens I have to believe there will be exceptions or different rules made for players signed during the uncapped year. Sign Peppers and trade Carter for as high a pick as you can.

 

[grapeape]

Peppers is one of those big price FAs that is worth buying IMO. The guy is a beast. Could you imagine a Skins offense with him up front, and Sean Taylor in the secondary? Game over man, game over.

 

[fatness]

Quarterback Sam Bradford would be the perfect choice for the Redskins. Except that the risk might be too high. Bradford, coming off shoulder surgery, is expected to be the first quarterback taken. Washington needs one.

ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay loves him.

“He has everything you look for in a quarterback,” McShay said, “from the intelligence to competitiveness to leadership to accuracy. Those are the most important traits.”

But hold on.

“If you miss on him it can set you back five, six, seven years,” McShay said. “Washington seems the best fit for him, but something tells me they’ll go in a different direction. They can’t afford with the first pick of a new regime to make a mistake. Bradford has enough red flags that they may pass.”

More in the article from John Keim

 

[Sebowski]

Quarterback Sam Bradford would be the perfect choice for the Redskins. Except that the risk might be too high. Bradford, coming off shoulder surgery, is expected to be the first quarterback taken. Washington needs one.

ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay loves him.

“He has everything you look for in a quarterback,” McShay said, “from the intelligence to competitiveness to leadership to accuracy. Those are the most important traits.”

But hold on.

“If you miss on him it can set you back five, six, seven years,” McShay said. “Washington seems the best fit for him, but something tells me they’ll go in a different direction. They can’t afford with the first pick of a new regime to make a mistake. Bradford has enough red flags that they may pass.”

More in the article from John Keim

Where does this "set you back 5-7 years if you miss" crap come from? The Cards and Titans have had great seasons with their high pick QBs on the bench.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Quarterback Sam Bradford would be the perfect choice for the Redskins. Except that the risk might be too high. Bradford, coming off shoulder surgery, is expected to be the first quarterback taken. Washington needs one.

ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay loves him.

“He has everything you look for in a quarterback,” McShay said, “from the intelligence to competitiveness to leadership to accuracy. Those are the most important traits.”

But hold on.

“If you miss on him it can set you back five, six, seven years,” McShay said. “Washington seems the best fit for him, but something tells me they’ll go in a different direction. They can’t afford with the first pick of a new regime to make a mistake. Bradford has enough red flags that they may pass.”

More in the article from John Keim

Where does this "set you back 5-7 years if you miss" crap come from? The Cards and Titans have had great seasons with their high pick QBs on the bench.

better team management makes a hell of a lot of difference. Whisenhunt has brought real discipline to the team and Fisher, oh he's one of the best in the business.Washington has had crappy management for years. A first round pick by Skins is more likely to impact the team negatively.....or, in rare instances, positively. Bradford seems like an attractive pick, but that's throwing the dice when we don't know if the new management will do better at running the team than previous ones.

You could argue that Campbell, a first round pick, has impacted the team the last few years. True, to an extent, but Gibbs was too old-school (for all his great skills) and Zorn let things implode. JC could have done better on a team with a stronger reputation for management and discipline.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Zorn joins Ravens as QB coach



hope he does well

surprised he didn't end up in cleveland with holmgren

eta: from and organizational perspective, he's going from one of the worst (snyder, et al) to one of the best (bisciotti/ozzie)

I wish Zorn nothing but the best. He's a class act and a good guy.

Working with a young, talented QB that has a good OL in front of him will most certainly be a welcome opportunity for Zorn. By joining the Ravens, he also has the added perk of not having to move his family.