dgreen
Footballguy
It appears Kuper has a 1st round tender, so he's out as the new RG.
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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (2 Viewers)
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fatness
Footballguy
They have to. He was below average 2 years ago and was not any better last year. But the line deteriorated so much around him that he was an anchor. He and Dockery are now the best O-linemen we have.Rabach re-signed?????
from hogshaven.com:
With all these cuts, I predict they are going to sign a lot of players. I hope they don't go after any restricted free agents and save all their draft picks.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
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CutlerToCutler
Footballguy
They're going to have more money tied up in 2 defensive linemen than most have in their entire defense.
CutlerToCutler
Footballguy
WRONG!!!
Good!!! Let the Bears have him. Peppers is washed up and will want ridiculous coin. This is a good thing!!!
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
I'm one Skins fan who is cool on signing Peppers. Amazing to say after all of these years of terrible DE play, but they just don't need him. Orakpo, Carter, Jarmon and Daniels are fine, and in a 3-4 or hybrid the DE's mean even less. I have no confidence in Peppers switching to OLB, however much of a freak he is.
If they get him, I guess that's fine but I just don't think they need him or should be spending the resources on that position.
If they get him, I guess that's fine but I just don't think they need him or should be spending the resources on that position.
CutlerToCutler
Footballguy
WTF? I'll give you that he wants a ton of money, but washed up? That's ridiculous
southeastjerome
Footballguy
So glad to see them passive. I do not want Peppers for the ridiculous money he's probably going to sign for. The man is already 30 and has been pretty inconsistent.
dehaven123
Footballguy
Great day in Skins land!
Conservative approach so far in FA.
Cut 10 or so 30 somethings.
After the cuts today, I think today it finally sunk in for me that this is at least a 2-3 yr effort to get this team back to being competitive for the division.
Just seems weird....
I wish Portis did not have so much guaranteed money in 2010.
He'd be gone too, IMO.
I cant wait to see what happens w/ the O line over the coming months.
So much to learn there....
They clearly have not committed to JC, so I'll be interested to see what happens at the QB position too.
Bring FA on!
Bring the draft on!
Conservative approach so far in FA.
Cut 10 or so 30 somethings.
After the cuts today, I think today it finally sunk in for me that this is at least a 2-3 yr effort to get this team back to being competitive for the division.
Just seems weird....
I wish Portis did not have so much guaranteed money in 2010.
He'd be gone too, IMO.
I cant wait to see what happens w/ the O line over the coming months.
So much to learn there....
They clearly have not committed to JC, so I'll be interested to see what happens at the QB position too.
Bring FA on!
Bring the draft on!
nittanylion
Footballguy
My God, if the Bears get us off the hook of our own silliness for 2 Years in a row, I might just have to take a minor rooting interest in them, or at least erect a small shrine to George Halas in my Football Room...
...now, if they want to go galavanting across the country chasing down Dansby...well...I'm 100% behind rebuilding this Team 'from the football out', but I think adding a Dansby would, by association, allow our D-Line to get some things accomplished a bit easier...
...hope we see some quality O-Line signings over the next few weeks. Pickings are slim, but even merely addressing the situation they've had their head in the sand about for the last several Seasons would be a positive sign.
...now, if they want to go galavanting across the country chasing down Dansby...well...I'm 100% behind rebuilding this Team 'from the football out', but I think adding a Dansby would, by association, allow our D-Line to get some things accomplished a bit easier...
...hope we see some quality O-Line signings over the next few weeks. Pickings are slim, but even merely addressing the situation they've had their head in the sand about for the last several Seasons would be a positive sign.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Skins going after Chad Clifton.
Scheduled to visit after Green Bay reportedly offered around $5 million per season (not sure the length).
Clifton is wanting around $7 million per with $20 million guaranteed in the first 3 years.
I like Chad a lot, but age and injuries are starting to creep up and I can't believe GB would have even offered beyond 3 years, much less $20 mil guaranteed in the first 3.
Scheduled to visit after Green Bay reportedly offered around $5 million per season (not sure the length).
Clifton is wanting around $7 million per with $20 million guaranteed in the first 3 years.
I like Chad a lot, but age and injuries are starting to creep up and I can't believe GB would have even offered beyond 3 years, much less $20 mil guaranteed in the first 3.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
THIS.I pray they don't go after the restricted guys. The 'Skins need to take a lesson from another Washington team, the Capitals, who were very active before the NHL trade deadline, and acquired some solid role players who filled needs without giving away the farm, the future, or disrupting the chemistry of the team. I stress the CHEMISTRY, because while there hasn't been much of that lately on the Skins, it's to be expected with all the changes every off-season. The only way for that to get better is to change more slowly and let guys gel together.Remember, with no salary cap, the dollars really is not an issue.Clifton is apparently the best LT available and the Redskins are desparate for OL help. He is the one person player who they could really justify "overpaying" to get. If they draft Okung or another stud LT in the draft, they can still move Clifton to RT, where we also have a gaping hole.
dgreen
Footballguy
Not sure how I feel about this.Pros: He's good and they need linemen.Cons: He's old and this may indicate they don't get a LT at 1.04.
fatness
Footballguy
I've felt the same way. If you had to pick the position where the Skins are strongest, it would probably be DE. Why add so many more dollars and another player to that position? How many sacks did Peppers have last year?Carter?Orakpo?
sho nuff
Footballguy
No cap now for sure.Im not talking from cap perspective though. And yes, Snyder has the money. Just can't see paying a guy with his last few years of injuries...and while Id still like him back, his play has not been the same either the last 2 years (more penalties than I ever remember from him)...that is a lot of money for him.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Why get a Tackle that is near 33 years old? When we can get a young Russell Okung 11 years younger?
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
Remember how bad the line was back in 1999 when they had to sign Will Heller at LT for a season? It's worse now. Heller did just fine for them, BTW. Rome wasn't built in a day. This is going to be a transitional year for this line. One or two young guys will get worked in there, a veteran (or two or three, either on the roster or not) will be used to stabilize the rest. It won't be anything sexy, but they just need to patch the leaks for a year while giving younger guys time to develop this year and be drafted and developed next year. The line more than any other unit requires time to gel. Resign yourself to the fact that the realistic goal is to have a young, very good line in place by the start of the 2012 season, not to say that they can't at least compete with the O-line before then. Because of years of neglect, it will take years of rebuilding.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson...Washington.html
Veteran free agent offensive tackle Tony Pashos is on his way to visit the Washington Redskins, according to a league source.
Pashos' former position coach, Chris Foerster, is the new offensive line coach in Washington.
Pashos played for the San Francisco 49ers last season, ending the season on injured reserve with a shoulder injury.
Pashos is a former Baltimore Ravens fifth-round pick who later played and started for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Pashos is an experienced right offensive tackle known for his aggressiveness at the point of attack.
Veteran free agent offensive tackle Tony Pashos is on his way to visit the Washington Redskins, according to a league source.
Pashos' former position coach, Chris Foerster, is the new offensive line coach in Washington.
Pashos played for the San Francisco 49ers last season, ending the season on injured reserve with a shoulder injury.
Pashos is a former Baltimore Ravens fifth-round pick who later played and started for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Pashos is an experienced right offensive tackle known for his aggressiveness at the point of attack.
dgreen
Footballguy
As long as that's the plan, that's cool. I just worry they skip on a stud LT at the top of the draft because they have that position covered for now. But, for now, I should really give this regime the benefit of the doubt and see where they go with this.And I think you mean Andy Heck, not Will Heller. Maybe it will be similar to that. I remember they were in decent control of that playoff game down in Tampa when Heck got injured. The offense wasn't doing much as it was, but it got even worse after that and the D just couldn't hold up all game.
I don't think any signings will prevent who they draft at 1.04. If you look at the quality of the free agent quarterbacks, it is really bad. I think David Carr is one of the better ones available. For the most part, you cannot find good qbs in free agency. Because of that, it does make sense to draft a qb at 1.04 IF he will develop into a good qb.
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
Yes, I meant Heck. Thanks. That didn't sound right as I typed it.
fatness
Footballguy
I'm fine with this plan. In fact I'd fall to my knees in gratitude if they'd follow it. And I agree with Marvelous --- I don't think any of the free agent signings have anything to do with whom they'll draft. The signings are essentially for stopgap starters and depth on offense Last year's offensive line looked like a torn diaper.
fatness
Footballguy
If you want to follow some local Redskin writers on Twitter:
John Keim
Cindy Boren
Dan Steinberg
Rich Tandler
And of course Jason LaCanfora. I'm glad the rest of the country's being exposed to this guy's work because he's just plain good. But man, I miss him around DC.
John Keim
Cindy Boren
Dan Steinberg
Rich Tandler
And of course Jason LaCanfora. I'm glad the rest of the country's being exposed to this guy's work because he's just plain good. But man, I miss him around DC.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Posted at 9:53 AM ET, 03/ 5/2010
A Redskins' trade for Sproles? Don't count it out yet.
When the San Diego Chargers tendered Darren Sproles on Thursday, many fans probably scratched the 26-year-old running back off their free agency list. After all, it'd be foolish for any team to part with first- and third-round picks for a guy who's never had more than 100 carries in a season.
A week earlier the Chargers had said they wouldn't tender Sproles, making him an unrestricted free agent, but it seems that when the Chargers realized there was sufficient interest, they opted to tender him because they knew they could get something in return.
It seems the Charters are very much willing to trade Sproles
and we're hearing that you shouldn't count the Redskins out.
It's not clear what exactly any team would have to give up to acquire Sproles, but the San Diego Union-Tribune says it'd be less than a first- and third-round tender.
Sproles is a running back who could help the Redskins in several areas. For starters, it'd give them a change-of-pace back to complement Clinton Portis. But he'd also be a key special teams addition. The Redskins on Thursday got rid of Rock Cartwright, their
primary kick returner until late last season, and Antwaan Randle El, their primary punt returner. Sproles was fourth in the NFL in kick-return yards last season and also returned one punt 77 yards for a touchdown
A Redskins' trade for Sproles? Don't count it out yet.
When the San Diego Chargers tendered Darren Sproles on Thursday, many fans probably scratched the 26-year-old running back off their free agency list. After all, it'd be foolish for any team to part with first- and third-round picks for a guy who's never had more than 100 carries in a season.
A week earlier the Chargers had said they wouldn't tender Sproles, making him an unrestricted free agent, but it seems that when the Chargers realized there was sufficient interest, they opted to tender him because they knew they could get something in return.
It seems the Charters are very much willing to trade Sproles
and we're hearing that you shouldn't count the Redskins out.
It's not clear what exactly any team would have to give up to acquire Sproles, but the San Diego Union-Tribune says it'd be less than a first- and third-round tender.
Sproles is a running back who could help the Redskins in several areas. For starters, it'd give them a change-of-pace back to complement Clinton Portis. But he'd also be a key special teams addition. The Redskins on Thursday got rid of Rock Cartwright, their
primary kick returner until late last season, and Antwaan Randle El, their primary punt returner. Sproles was fourth in the NFL in kick-return yards last season and also returned one punt 77 yards for a touchdown
southeastjerome
Footballguy
buster c
Footballguy
So let me get this straight: in capped years, we spend money like drunken sailors, misappropriating resources that cause areas of need to not get addressed, wrecking team chemistry and ensuring one losing season after another.
Now -with no salary cap to worry about- and after cutting 3 team captains creating a void for new leaders (chemistry), they’re exercising fiscal constraint?
All Snyder does is the opposite of what he should be doing!
Look, I don’t for one minute think Peppers is worth 10m/year or that we need him, but there really is no good reason to NOT sign him. Sign everybody! What is the downside?
And everybody here is cheering the new fiscal restraint!
Now -with no salary cap to worry about- and after cutting 3 team captains creating a void for new leaders (chemistry), they’re exercising fiscal constraint?
All Snyder does is the opposite of what he should be doing!
Look, I don’t for one minute think Peppers is worth 10m/year or that we need him, but there really is no good reason to NOT sign him. Sign everybody! What is the downside?
And everybody here is cheering the new fiscal restraint!
Inspiration
Footballguy
Somebody forgot to tell Bruce Allen that he's not in Tampa Bay anymore.So let me get this straight: in capped years, we spend money like drunken sailors, misappropriating resources that cause areas of need to not get addressed, wrecking team chemistry and ensuring one losing season after another. Now -with no salary cap to worry about- and after cutting 3 team captains creating a void for new leaders (chemistry), they’re exercising fiscal constraint? All Snyder does is the opposite of what he should be doing! Look, I don’t for one minute think Peppers is worth 10m/year or that we need him, but there really is no good reason to NOT sign him. Sign everybody! What is the downside? And everybody here is cheering the new fiscal restraint!
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
Yeah, because capped versus uncapped is the only difference for the Redskins between this year and last year.So let me get this straight: in capped years, we spend money like drunken sailors, misappropriating resources that cause areas of need to not get addressed, wrecking team chemistry and ensuring one losing season after another. Now -with no salary cap to worry about- and after cutting 3 team captains creating a void for new leaders (chemistry), they’re exercising fiscal constraint? All Snyder does is the opposite of what he should be doing! Look, I don’t for one minute think Peppers is worth 10m/year or that we need him, but there really is no good reason to NOT sign him. Sign everybody! What is the downside? And everybody here is cheering the new fiscal restraint!
You really are a miserable *******, aren't you.
dgreen
Footballguy
A) While the cap is unlimited, roster spots aren't.B) Players need to fit a system. Peppers is not a 3-4 DE or 3-4 OLB.C) Chemistry and player attitudes are important. So, let's say they sign Peppers to simply be a passing down specialist (since he would be out of position in a base 3-4). Will he be ok with that? Will he complain about playing time? Will other players complain that he's getting paid so much to only play on 3rd down?D) One day there will be a cap again.
dgreen
Footballguy
Redskins might be interested in Rex Grossman. Bringing in a QB like him tells me that even if they draft a QB, they'd have no plans to play him in 2010. Campbell would be the starter and a guy like Grossman would be the backup so they wouldn't have to play Bradford/Clausen/whoever.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Fixed.Personally, I don't think I'd call it fiscal constraint as much as I'd call it having a plan for the roster.
dgreen
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they'll still be top 5 in the league in payroll.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
dgreen
Footballguy
Interesting that even mentioned the PR staff. As poorly as the football operations have been, the PR may have been worse.For the first time since I've been buying season tickets (2004), I had the option to make three interest-free payments rather than them requiring it all at once. Sometimes it just the small things that make people feel better about their team.Sidewinder16 said:
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
Bringing in Grossman suggests strongly to me that they may not even draft a QB at all. Keep in mind that the best way by far to develop a QB is behind a line that can already protect him. Every one of the best QB's had that; many of the biggest busts did not. Shanny's never coached a team that didn't already have a good o-line in place, so this is new such that his old way of drafting a QB doesn't seem to apply.dgreen said:
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