***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (2 Viewers)

[fatness]

**** Vermeil on Larry Johnson:

"He will take over the running back position," said Vermeil, who coached Johnson in Kansas City from 2003 to '05. "That's what I think. He'll push that guy right out of a job. Larry Johnson will work all week -- he'll work Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday -- and he'll make you start him on Sundays."

That made me cry.

 

[fatness]

The Redskins will host another offensive linemen later this week. San Francisco free agent Barry Sims is expected to visit with the team on Friday at Redskins Park.

Sims, 35, is an 11-year veteran who's been starting regularly since his rookie season. He can play both tackle positions.

Sims played the past two seasons under Chris Foerster, the Redskins' new line coach who came to Washington from San Francisco. It's believed that San Francisco wants Sims to return and the 6-foot-5, 300-pound lineman would likely be choosing between the Redskins and

the 49ers. After spending his first nine seasons with the Oakland Raiders, Sims has suited up for the 49ers the past two. Last season, he started seven of 16 games.

Link

 

[Harjiran]

Anyone think the Skins might consider Eric Berry at #4? He doesn't fill our greatest need but the guy is a freak and a great locker room guy and may be the "surest" thing next to Suh. I read somewhere (I forget where) that Okung might be better suited at RT. If that's the case, does it make more sense to take Berry and the best available OL in round 2?

 

[Don Quixote]

Redskins signed Rex Grossman. Knows the system, at least.

 

[Lowen1]

JReid reporting Skins have signed Rex Grossman.

Redskins sign Rex Grossman

Updated, 10:16 a.m.

The Redskins have signed quarterback Rex Grossman to a one-year contract.

Grossman spent last season in Houston as a backup to Matt Schaub. With the Texans, he worked under the Redskins' new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and also with Washington quarterback coach Matt LaFleur, so the Redskins' staff knows exactly what it's getting.

On the surface, the signing might seem like a simple replacement. The team released Todd Collins, its long-time backup, earlier this month, and Grossman could fill that role. But many believe the Redskins will chase a quarterback in the NFL Draft next month, which could leave the team with Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman and Jimmy Clausen/Sam

Bradford six weeks from now. (Throw Colt Brennan into that mix, if you'd like.) If they do draft a quarterback, it'd seem like the team could have an expendable quarterback on its hands.

Grossman, 29, was Chicago's first-round pick in 2003 but wasn't regularly starting until 2006, when he helped the Bears reach the Super Bowl. Though the Bears were a team that relied heavily on its defense, the 2006 offense scored the second-most points in the NFL. By the end of the next season, though, Grossman had lost his starting job to Kyle Orton.

He joined the Texans in 2009 as a free agent. He appeared in just one game last season, completed 3 of 9 passes for 33 yards. If you want to get technical about it, his 5.6 passer rating on the season was a career low. He has started just one game since 2007.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

JReid reporting Skins have signed Rex Grossman.Redskins sign Rex GrossmanUpdated, 10:16 a.m.The Redskins have signed quarterback Rex Grossman to a one-year contract.Grossman spent last season in Houston as a backup to Matt Schaub. With the Texans, he worked under the Redskins' new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and also with Washington quarterback coach Matt LaFleur, so the Redskins' staff knows exactly what it's getting.On the surface, the signing might seem like a simple replacement. The team released Todd Collins, its long-time backup, earlier this month, and Grossman could fill that role. But many believe the Redskins will chase a quarterback in the NFL Draft next month, which could leave the team with Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman and Jimmy Clausen/SamBradford six weeks from now. (Throw Colt Brennan into that mix, if you'd like.) If they do draft a quarterback, it'd seem like the team could have an expendable quarterback on its hands. Grossman, 29, was Chicago's first-round pick in 2003 but wasn't regularly starting until 2006, when he helped the Bears reach the Super Bowl. Though the Bears were a team that relied heavily on its defense, the 2006 offense scored the second-most points in the NFL. By the end of the next season, though, Grossman had lost his starting job to Kyle Orton.He joined the Texans in 2009 as a free agent. He appeared in just one game last season, completed 3 of 9 passes for 33 yards. If you want to get technical about it, his 5.6 passer rating on the season was a career low. He has started just one game since 2007.

Doesn't this feel like Spurrier all over again?

 

[buster c]

for those in favor of trading #17, what is the lowest compensation you'd accept?

because if Buffalo offers up a pick in round 1 (unlikely), 2, or 3, I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat. A 4th rounder? That's where it starts to get grey for me.

Not that I'm big on Wrecks GrossMan, but as long as we're entering a "new era," I'm ready to start fresh.

 

[TobiasFunke]

JReid reporting Skins have signed Rex Grossman.Redskins sign Rex GrossmanUpdated, 10:16 a.m.The Redskins have signed quarterback Rex Grossman to a one-year contract.Grossman spent last season in Houston as a backup to Matt Schaub. With the Texans, he worked under the Redskins' new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and also with Washington quarterback coach Matt LaFleur, so the Redskins' staff knows exactly what it's getting.On the surface, the signing might seem like a simple replacement. The team released Todd Collins, its long-time backup, earlier this month, and Grossman could fill that role. But many believe the Redskins will chase a quarterback in the NFL Draft next month, which could leave the team with Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman and Jimmy Clausen/SamBradford six weeks from now. (Throw Colt Brennan into that mix, if you'd like.) If they do draft a quarterback, it'd seem like the team could have an expendable quarterback on its hands. Grossman, 29, was Chicago's first-round pick in 2003 but wasn't regularly starting until 2006, when he helped the Bears reach the Super Bowl. Though the Bears were a team that relied heavily on its defense, the 2006 offense scored the second-most points in the NFL. By the end of the next season, though, Grossman had lost his starting job to Kyle Orton.He joined the Texans in 2009 as a free agent. He appeared in just one game last season, completed 3 of 9 passes for 33 yards. If you want to get technical about it, his 5.6 passer rating on the season was a career low. He has started just one game since 2007.

So where do you guys rank this among your greatest days ever as a Redskins fan? I put it behind the 81-82 and 87-88 Super Bowls, but ahead of 91-92. So, third.

 

[fatness]

JReid reporting Skins have signed Rex Grossman.Redskins sign Rex GrossmanUpdated, 10:16 a.m.On the surface, the signing might seem like a simple replacement. The team released Todd Collins, its long-time backup, earlier this month, and Grossman could fill that role.

I guess Collins wasn't the "answer". If you can be replaced by Rex Grossman, perhaps you are not good.

 

[fatness]

a league source told PFT that the contract is for the league minimum salary, plus incentives.

PFT

 

[fatness]

So where do you guys rank this among your greatest days ever as a Redskins fan? I put it behind the 81-82 and 87-88 Super Bowls, but ahead of 91-92. So, third.

Second. Right behind the game that Ron McDole played with a stomach virus and without changing pants.

 

[DCThunder]

Wasn't there supposed to have been a deal back in the Spurrier days where we'd trade Rinehart and Betts (or something like that) for Grossman so the OBC could have another Gator to chuck it around.

 

[fatness]

The Redskins' search for another linebacker continues and the next visitor to Ashburn is a pretty big name. Joey Porter, most recently of the Miami Dolphins, will be visiting Redskins Park on Thursday, according to a league source.

As Washington prepares to field a 3-4 defense, they've been entertaining other linebackers to add to their mix. Porter is a bit of a surprise choice, though. While last week's visitor, Larry Foote, who eventually signed with Pittsburgh, was an inside linebacker and could've lined up next to London Fletcher, Porter has made a name for himself playing as an outside linebacker.

The 32-year-old Porter was released from Miami after effectively torching bridges with his comments during Super Bowl week. Before playing three seasons with the Dolphins, he played his first eight with the Steelers. He played in a 3-4 defense there and also played under Lou Spanos, the Redskins' new linebackers coach who was a longtime Pittsburgh assistant coach. Porter was drafted by the Steelers in 1999, the last season that Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett ran the Pittsburgh defense.

linkSo they're going to interview every player that every coach on the staff has played with before? Um, OK.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

JReid reporting Skins have signed Rex Grossman.Redskins sign Rex GrossmanUpdated, 10:16 a.m.The Redskins have signed quarterback Rex Grossman to a one-year contract.Grossman spent last season in Houston as a backup to Matt Schaub. With the Texans, he worked under the Redskins' new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and also with Washington quarterback coach Matt LaFleur, so the Redskins' staff knows exactly what it's getting.On the surface, the signing might seem like a simple replacement. The team released Todd Collins, its long-time backup, earlier this month, and Grossman could fill that role. But many believe the Redskins will chase a quarterback in the NFL Draft next month, which could leave the team with Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman and Jimmy Clausen/SamBradford six weeks from now. (Throw Colt Brennan into that mix, if you'd like.) If they do draft a quarterback, it'd seem like the team could have an expendable quarterback on its hands. Grossman, 29, was Chicago's first-round pick in 2003 but wasn't regularly starting until 2006, when he helped the Bears reach the Super Bowl. Though the Bears were a team that relied heavily on its defense, the 2006 offense scored the second-most points in the NFL. By the end of the next season, though, Grossman had lost his starting job to Kyle Orton.He joined the Texans in 2009 as a free agent. He appeared in just one game last season, completed 3 of 9 passes for 33 yards. If you want to get technical about it, his 5.6 passer rating on the season was a career low. He has started just one game since 2007.

Doesn't this feel like Spurrier all over again?

WTF? Are you being ironic or serious here. If it's the latter, fasten your seatbelt because I'm about to light you up.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

The Redskins' search for another linebacker continues and the next visitor to Ashburn is a pretty big name. Joey Porter, most recently of the Miami Dolphins, will be visiting Redskins Park on Thursday, according to a league source.

As Washington prepares to field a 3-4 defense, they've been entertaining other linebackers to add to their mix. Porter is a bit of a surprise choice, though. While last week's visitor, Larry Foote, who eventually signed with Pittsburgh, was an inside linebacker and could've lined up next to London Fletcher, Porter has made a name for himself playing as an outside linebacker.

The 32-year-old Porter was released from Miami after effectively torching bridges with his comments during Super Bowl week. Before playing three seasons with the Dolphins, he played his first eight with the Steelers. He played in a 3-4 defense there and also played under Lou Spanos, the Redskins' new linebackers coach who was a longtime Pittsburgh assistant coach. Porter was drafted by the Steelers in 1999, the last season that Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett ran the Pittsburgh defense.

linkSo they're going to interview every player that every coach on the staff has played with before? Um, OK.

Parcells did this sort of thing, as did Holmgren, Marty, etc. It gives them veteran leadership that they're already comfortable with, and of course they know the system. What's the problem here?

 

[Peggy Starfish]

for those in favor of trading #17, what is the lowest compensation you'd accept?because if Buffalo offers up a pick in round 1 (unlikely), 2, or 3, I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat. A 4th rounder? That's where it starts to get grey for me.Not that I'm big on Wrecks GrossMan, but as long as we're entering a "new era," I'm ready to start fresh.

Whether you like him or not, Campbell is one of the top 31 QB's in the league and therefore a starting-caliber NFL QB. Buffalo doesn't have one of those and Grossman likewise doesn't qualify for that. Starting QB's are rarities, so no, I wouldn't accept a 2nd or 3rd.

 

[dgreen]

JReid reporting Skins have signed Rex Grossman.Redskins sign Rex GrossmanUpdated, 10:16 a.m.The Redskins have signed quarterback Rex Grossman to a one-year contract.Grossman spent last season in Houston as a backup to Matt Schaub. With the Texans, he worked under the Redskins' new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and also with Washington quarterback coach Matt LaFleur, so the Redskins' staff knows exactly what it's getting.On the surface, the signing might seem like a simple replacement. The team released Todd Collins, its long-time backup, earlier this month, and Grossman could fill that role. But many believe the Redskins will chase a quarterback in the NFL Draft next month, which could leave the team with Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman and Jimmy Clausen/SamBradford six weeks from now. (Throw Colt Brennan into that mix, if you'd like.) If they do draft a quarterback, it'd seem like the team could have an expendable quarterback on its hands. Grossman, 29, was Chicago's first-round pick in 2003 but wasn't regularly starting until 2006, when he helped the Bears reach the Super Bowl. Though the Bears were a team that relied heavily on its defense, the 2006 offense scored the second-most points in the NFL. By the end of the next season, though, Grossman had lost his starting job to Kyle Orton.He joined the Texans in 2009 as a free agent. He appeared in just one game last season, completed 3 of 9 passes for 33 yards. If you want to get technical about it, his 5.6 passer rating on the season was a career low. He has started just one game since 2007.

Doesn't this feel like Spurrier all over again?

WTF? Are you being ironic or serious here. If it's the latter, fasten your seatbelt because I'm about to light you up.

 

[dgreen]

for those in favor of trading #17, what is the lowest compensation you'd accept?because if Buffalo offers up a pick in round 1 (unlikely), 2, or 3, I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat. A 4th rounder? That's where it starts to get grey for me.Not that I'm big on Wrecks GrossMan, but as long as we're entering a "new era," I'm ready to start fresh.

Whether you like him or not, Campbell is one of the top 31 QB's in the league and therefore a starting-caliber NFL QB. Buffalo doesn't have one of those and Grossman likewise doesn't qualify for that. Starting QB's are rarities, so no, I wouldn't accept a 2nd or 3rd.

I'd take a high 2nd and probably a mid-2nd. Low 2nd? No.

 

[MikeApf]

JReid reporting Skins have signed Rex Grossman.Redskins sign Rex GrossmanUpdated, 10:16 a.m.The Redskins have signed quarterback Rex Grossman to a one-year contract.Grossman spent last season in Houston as a backup to Matt Schaub. With the Texans, he worked under the Redskins' new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and also with Washington quarterback coach Matt LaFleur, so the Redskins' staff knows exactly what it's getting.On the surface, the signing might seem like a simple replacement. The team released Todd Collins, its long-time backup, earlier this month, and Grossman could fill that role. But many believe the Redskins will chase a quarterback in the NFL Draft next month, which could leave the team with Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman and Jimmy Clausen/SamBradford six weeks from now. (Throw Colt Brennan into that mix, if you'd like.) If they do draft a quarterback, it'd seem like the team could have an expendable quarterback on its hands. Grossman, 29, was Chicago's first-round pick in 2003 but wasn't regularly starting until 2006, when he helped the Bears reach the Super Bowl. Though the Bears were a team that relied heavily on its defense, the 2006 offense scored the second-most points in the NFL. By the end of the next season, though, Grossman had lost his starting job to Kyle Orton.He joined the Texans in 2009 as a free agent. He appeared in just one game last season, completed 3 of 9 passes for 33 yards. If you want to get technical about it, his 5.6 passer rating on the season was a career low. He has started just one game since 2007.

Doesn't this feel like Spurrier all over again?

If they got him for league minimum then it's not a terrible signing. It's not like Grossman is going to start...if it was Spurrier days, Grossman would be starting and Campbell would be traded to anyone who had a Florida wide receiver. As a backup QB, I think Grossman is fine...at least as good as Collins, probably better since he's a lot younger.

 

[MikeApf]

The Redskins' search for another linebacker continues and the next visitor to Ashburn is a pretty big name. Joey Porter, most recently of the Miami Dolphins, will be visiting Redskins Park on Thursday, according to a league source.

As Washington prepares to field a 3-4 defense, they've been entertaining other linebackers to add to their mix. Porter is a bit of a surprise choice, though. While last week's visitor, Larry Foote, who eventually signed with Pittsburgh, was an inside linebacker and could've lined up next to London Fletcher, Porter has made a name for himself playing as an outside linebacker.

The 32-year-old Porter was released from Miami after effectively torching bridges with his comments during Super Bowl week. Before playing three seasons with the Dolphins, he played his first eight with the Steelers. He played in a 3-4 defense there and also played under Lou Spanos, the Redskins' new linebackers coach who was a longtime Pittsburgh assistant coach. Porter was drafted by the Steelers in 1999, the last season that Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett ran the Pittsburgh defense.

linkSo they're going to interview every player that every coach on the staff has played with before? Um, OK.

It's not really that uncommon to bring in guys you know and are comfortable with, is it? I'm pretty sure this happens around the league and also just generally in life.I mean, I've been a Redskin fan since the late 70s and so I've been as disappointed with the Snyder regime as anyone. I think Little Danny has made an absolute wreck of things over the last decade. But I am willing to give Shanahan and Allen the benefit of the doubt right now that they are not complete morons. This is not really directed at your thread and so I am not talking about you specifically, but it seems to meet reading this entire thread cuz we've been burned over the last decade we're really ready to question many of the moves this team makes without giving them any chance to fully execute their plan yet. Let's at least let the plan fail first!

 

[fatness]

Parcells did this sort of thing, as did Holmgren, Marty, etc. It gives them veteran leadership that they're already comfortable with, and of course they know the system. What's the problem here?

Initially, probably nothing. As time goes by --- overlooking other players in the league (who may help the team more) in favor of 'your guys'.

 

[MikeApf]

for those in favor of trading #17, what is the lowest compensation you'd accept?because if Buffalo offers up a pick in round 1 (unlikely), 2, or 3, I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat. A 4th rounder? That's where it starts to get grey for me.Not that I'm big on Wrecks GrossMan, but as long as we're entering a "new era," I'm ready to start fresh.

Campbell is a lot better than a # 2. I would only take a # 1 for him. If they had a second # 1 pick, they could then pick a QB and OL in the first round and all would be cool. But I wouldn't want to go into the season having to take a QB with the # 4 pick then having to wait that long to get an OL. At this point, they can still take Okung and roll with Campbell at QB to see how he does in Shanny's system.Taking a # 3 or a # 4 for Campbell would be basically letting yourself get r*ped. Just my opinion...Campbell is worth A LOT more than that...

 

[duckhook]

Anyone think the Skins might consider Eric Berry at #4? He doesn't fill our greatest need but the guy is a freak and a great locker room guy and may be the "surest" thing next to Suh. I read somewhere (I forget where) that Okung might be better suited at RT. If that's the case, does it make more sense to take Berry and the best available OL in round 2?

I believe (and may be the only one) that this is a lock to happen. This team is not going to win with offense this season or next. They are close on Defense, and Berry fills a HUGE hole. Berry in Rd 1 and this is going to be the bigger shocker, Colt McCoy in Rd 2 to ride the bench this year. I think you are seeing them fill their OL needs in FA.I know these projections will not be popular, but it's where I stand and I don't think it's all that bad of a draft if they do it.

 

[MikeApf]

Anyone think the Skins might consider Eric Berry at #4? He doesn't fill our greatest need but the guy is a freak and a great locker room guy and may be the "surest" thing next to Suh. I read somewhere (I forget where) that Okung might be better suited at RT. If that's the case, does it make more sense to take Berry and the best available OL in round 2?

I believe (and may be the only one) that this is a lock to happen. This team is not going to win with offense this season or next. They are close on Defense, and Berry fills a HUGE hole. Berry in Rd 1 and this is going to be the bigger shocker, Colt McCoy in Rd 2 to ride the bench this year. I think you are seeing them fill their OL needs in FA.I know these projections will not be popular, but it's where I stand and I don't think it's all that bad of a draft if they do it.

I wouldn't totally mind Berry because he is a freak but do you really think that the OL signings this year are sufficient to patch up that wreck? I know they are bringning in a few guys re: the OL but they don't seem to be long term solutions generally...isn't the latest one already 35?

 

[Peggy Starfish]

Parcells did this sort of thing, as did Holmgren, Marty, etc. It gives them veteran leadership that they're already comfortable with, and of course they know the system. What's the problem here?

Initially, probably nothing. As time goes by --- overlooking other players in the league (who may help the team more) in favor of 'your guys'.

I see no reason to believe this is anything "long term". What's the opportunity cost of a guy like Porter? Who else is out there that's superior and a better buy for the money? As with those other coaches, these guys are brought in in supporting roles or as bridge players during a rebuild.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

JReid reporting Skins have signed Rex Grossman.Redskins sign Rex GrossmanUpdated, 10:16 a.m.The Redskins have signed quarterback Rex Grossman to a one-year contract.Grossman spent last season in Houston as a backup to Matt Schaub. With the Texans, he worked under the Redskins' new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and also with Washington quarterback coach Matt LaFleur, so the Redskins' staff knows exactly what it's getting.On the surface, the signing might seem like a simple replacement. The team released Todd Collins, its long-time backup, earlier this month, and Grossman could fill that role. But many believe the Redskins will chase a quarterback in the NFL Draft next month, which could leave the team with Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman and Jimmy Clausen/SamBradford six weeks from now. (Throw Colt Brennan into that mix, if you'd like.) If they do draft a quarterback, it'd seem like the team could have an expendable quarterback on its hands. Grossman, 29, was Chicago's first-round pick in 2003 but wasn't regularly starting until 2006, when he helped the Bears reach the Super Bowl. Though the Bears were a team that relied heavily on its defense, the 2006 offense scored the second-most points in the NFL. By the end of the next season, though, Grossman had lost his starting job to Kyle Orton.He joined the Texans in 2009 as a free agent. He appeared in just one game last season, completed 3 of 9 passes for 33 yards. If you want to get technical about it, his 5.6 passer rating on the season was a career low. He has started just one game since 2007.

Doesn't this feel like Spurrier all over again?

WTF? Are you being ironic or serious here. If it's the latter, fasten your seatbelt because I'm about to light you up.

both. shanahan ain't spurrier who never did anything for the 'skins except load the team with old UF boys.and there are better choices than Rex Grossman.

 

[MikeApf]

JReid reporting Skins have signed Rex Grossman.Redskins sign Rex GrossmanUpdated, 10:16 a.m.The Redskins have signed quarterback Rex Grossman to a one-year contract.Grossman spent last season in Houston as a backup to Matt Schaub. With the Texans, he worked under the Redskins' new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and also with Washington quarterback coach Matt LaFleur, so the Redskins' staff knows exactly what it's getting.On the surface, the signing might seem like a simple replacement. The team released Todd Collins, its long-time backup, earlier this month, and Grossman could fill that role. But many believe the Redskins will chase a quarterback in the NFL Draft next month, which could leave the team with Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman and Jimmy Clausen/SamBradford six weeks from now. (Throw Colt Brennan into that mix, if you'd like.) If they do draft a quarterback, it'd seem like the team could have an expendable quarterback on its hands. Grossman, 29, was Chicago's first-round pick in 2003 but wasn't regularly starting until 2006, when he helped the Bears reach the Super Bowl. Though the Bears were a team that relied heavily on its defense, the 2006 offense scored the second-most points in the NFL. By the end of the next season, though, Grossman had lost his starting job to Kyle Orton.He joined the Texans in 2009 as a free agent. He appeared in just one game last season, completed 3 of 9 passes for 33 yards. If you want to get technical about it, his 5.6 passer rating on the season was a career low. He has started just one game since 2007.

Doesn't this feel like Spurrier all over again? :X

WTF? Are you being ironic or serious here. If it's the latter, fasten your seatbelt because I'm about to light you up.

both. shanahan ain't spurrier who never did anything for the 'skins except load the team with old UF boys.and there are better choices than Rex Grossman.

Who would you have liked to see them bring in as a backup QB at this point? Delhomme? Carr? Collins? True, Grossman is not necessarily starting QB material but is he really the hands down worst signing as a backup QB? I think the fact that he played with Kyle S. in Houston made him appealing among all the B-listers because if called into action, he'll at least know the system, much like Collins did when he had to step into Al Saunders system.Don't get me wrong, I don't make Grossman the Day 1 starter or anything, just thinking he's kind of a safe, serviceable backup. The way this is stacking up I could see (and I hope) that the Redskins take a flyer on a project QB in the mid to late rounds to round out a trio of: Campbell -- legit league starter given one more year to "get it" with a good coaching staff.Grossman -- legit backup who knows the system and can step in in and emergencyProject QB -- groomed to be the potential guy of the future should Campbell falter.That's "best case scenario" but I just don't see us trading for Peyton Manning and I think we have too many needs to take Bradford or Clausen with the # 4...M

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Anyone think the Skins might consider Eric Berry at #4? He doesn't fill our greatest need but the guy is a freak and a great locker room guy and may be the "surest" thing next to Suh. I read somewhere (I forget where) that Okung might be better suited at RT. If that's the case, does it make more sense to take Berry and the best available OL in round 2?

I believe (and may be the only one) that this is a lock to happen. This team is not going to win with offense this season or next. They are close on Defense, and Berry fills a HUGE hole. Berry in Rd 1 and this is going to be the bigger shocker, Colt McCoy in Rd 2 to ride the bench this year. I think you are seeing them fill their OL needs in FA.I know these projections will not be popular, but it's where I stand and I don't think it's all that bad of a draft if they do it.

 

[dgreen]

Anyone think the Skins might consider Eric Berry at #4? He doesn't fill our greatest need but the guy is a freak and a great locker room guy and may be the "surest" thing next to Suh. I read somewhere (I forget where) that Okung might be better suited at RT. If that's the case, does it make more sense to take Berry and the best available OL in round 2?

I believe (and may be the only one) that this is a lock to happen. This team is not going to win with offense this season or next. They are close on Defense, and Berry fills a HUGE hole. Berry in Rd 1 and this is going to be the bigger shocker, Colt McCoy in Rd 2 to ride the bench this year. I think you are seeing them fill their OL needs in FA.I know these projections will not be popular, but it's where I stand and I don't think it's all that bad of a draft if they do it.

If Berry's available at 4, I bet they could find someone to trade up for him.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Anyone think the Skins might consider Eric Berry at #4? He doesn't fill our greatest need but the guy is a freak and a great locker room guy and may be the "surest" thing next to Suh. I read somewhere (I forget where) that Okung might be better suited at RT. If that's the case, does it make more sense to take Berry and the best available OL in round 2?

I believe (and may be the only one) that this is a lock to happen. This team is not going to win with offense this season or next. They are close on Defense, and Berry fills a HUGE hole. Berry in Rd 1 and this is going to be the bigger shocker, Colt McCoy in Rd 2 to ride the bench this year. I think you are seeing them fill their OL needs in FA.I know these projections will not be popular, but it's where I stand and I don't think it's all that bad of a draft if they do it.

I'm fine with the Skins taking Berry, Okung, or Bradford -- whichever one if highest on their board of those available. I'm sure Berry is ranked #1 out of those guys on most team's boards. (Personally, the only guy I've got ranked higher than Berry is Suh.)If they take Clausen, however, I'm going to puke. I actually like McCoy better than Clausen, because I think he's more accurate.

 

[fatness]

Anyone think the Skins might consider Eric Berry at #4? He doesn't fill our greatest need but the guy is a freak and a great locker room guy and may be the "surest" thing next to Suh. I read somewhere (I forget where) that Okung might be better suited at RT. If that's the case, does it make more sense to take Berry and the best available OL in round 2?

I believe (and may be the only one) that this is a lock to happen. This team is not going to win with offense this season or next. They are close on Defense, and Berry fills a HUGE hole. Berry in Rd 1 and this is going to be the bigger shocker, Colt McCoy in Rd 2 to ride the bench this year. I think you are seeing them fill their OL needs in FA.I know these projections will not be popular, but it's where I stand and I don't think it's all that bad of a draft if they do it.

I think this is about 20,000 miles off base.Their offensive line needs have in no way been completely addressed in free agency, nor will they be. It's only because of the random and haphazard personnel moves of the last bunch of years that Redskin fans have learned to (wrongly) believe that "you can always get O-line help". Teams with good O-lines build them, over time, using the draft primarily. That's the main team need at this point, one that sabotaged the last 2 seasons, and it will take more than a year to address. And addressing it will not be done well by grabbing only lower-tier free agents. Unless Berry can play RT or QB, they won't pick him.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Anyone think the Skins might consider Eric Berry at #4? He doesn't fill our greatest need but the guy is a freak and a great locker room guy and may be the "surest" thing next to Suh. I read somewhere (I forget where) that Okung might be better suited at RT. If that's the case, does it make more sense to take Berry and the best available OL in round 2?

I believe (and may be the only one) that this is a lock to happen. This team is not going to win with offense this season or next. They are close on Defense, and Berry fills a HUGE hole. Berry in Rd 1 and this is going to be the bigger shocker, Colt McCoy in Rd 2 to ride the bench this year. I think you are seeing them fill their OL needs in FA.I know these projections will not be popular, but it's where I stand and I don't think it's all that bad of a draft if they do it.

I think this is about 20,000 miles off base.Their offensive line needs have in no way been completely addressed in free agency, nor will they be. It's only because of the random and haphazard personnel moves of the last bunch of years that Redskin fans have learned to (wrongly) believe that "you can always get O-line help". Teams with good O-lines build them, over time, using the draft primarily. That's the main team need at this point, one that sabotaged the last 2 seasons, and it will take more than a year to address. And addressing it will not be done well by grabbing only lower-tier free agents. Unless Berry can play RT or QB, they won't pick him.

it usually takes 2 years for an OL to gel, if they have the same personnel. Anything less, and especially with a lot of change, and that's asking for trouble. The OL situation won't be solved overnight.

 

[fatness]

And it won't be solved at all by signing low level free agents and walk-ons.

 

[Marvelous]

I thought it might be interesting to go back and evaluate how Joe Gibbs did on his second stint with the Redskins. Now that Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan are running the show, the results of Gibbs' return is complete.

Allen and Shanahan are actually the direct result of Gibbs' biggest failure. Two years ago, he left Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato confident that they could successfully run an NFL team. From the bizarre coaching search that led to Jim Zorn, players going over the coach's head, publicly stripping Zorn of authority during the season, it was clear that this was not the case. The 4-12 record last season is a direct result of the chaos at Redskin Park since Gibbs left.

On some other aspects:

Free agency: except for the Adam Archuleta signing, for the most part, Gibbs did very well. Signings included Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, Shawn Springs, Phillip Daniels, Casey Rabach, and London Fletcher. Gibbs and Gregg Williams basically rebuilt the defense in their first year.

Draft: they were decent, but nothing great. Of course, Gibbs was frequently dealing with a lack of draft picks, having only three in his first draft before trading a future pick to get a 3rd rounder to draft Chris Cooley. Sean Taylor and Chris Cooley in his first draft were his best picks. Of course, some of the lack of picks was self inflicted, since he traded 3 picks to move up to draft Jason Campbell. One note: Gibbs has said that except for the very high picks, Cerrato mostly ran the draft.

Trades: Gibbs regularly gave up too much in trades to get the players he wanted (Portis, Brunell, Campbell draft pick). He also made some trades that made little sense and did not work out (Brandon Lloyd, TJ Duckett). His best trade was probably Santana Moss for Laverneous Coles, who no longer wanted to be here.

Salary cap: Gibbs frequently said he did not understand and get into the salary cap. He basically deferred to Snyder and when he went through player scenarios, would ask Snyder if he could do X or Y.

Coaching: Gibbs brought organization and professionalism to practices and the team, which was sorely lacking before him. Gibbs initially ran the offense, but his offense was behind definitely behind the times. The power running game never looked like a great fit for Portis. On game day, his consensus play calling style frequently looked slow and indecisive and led to many embarrassing time outs and delay of game penalties.

I also thought Gibbs archaic offense led to very poor coaching for Campbell. In a quarterback focused league, Gibbs taught Campbell to be ultra conservative and throw the ball away. That's not what it takes to be a successful qb in the NFL today.

Later, Gibbs hired Al Saunders to run the offense. Although nothing ever came out publicly, it appeared that Gibbs and Saunders clashed and the Gibbs still had a hand in the offense although they were using Saunders 700 page playbook.

Gibbs does get kudos for hiring Gregg Williams, who had three very good defenses in four years. I thought it was an outstanding job, although the lack of turnovers was always a concern.

Those are my thoughts on Gibbs 2.0.

 

[burgundy and gold]

My only problem with Gibbs 2.0 was leaving too early. I think he shouldve had a sort of hand-picked successor in place before leaving. He shouldve known what was gonna happen. But that's over now.

Looking to the future, how come I'm not hearing more guys proposing that we keep Campbell(who is completely serviceable, if not young and moldable-if that's a word), build the o-line(that's focused on running the ball), build a GREAT defense, and then start looking for our saviour qb in a year or two.

just my 2 cents

 

[dgreen]

Looking to the future, how come I'm not hearing more guys proposing that we keep Campbell(who is completely serviceable, if not young and moldable-if that's a word), build the o-line(that's focused on running the ball), build a GREAT defense, and then start looking for our saviour qb in a year or two.

Many of us have been saying something like that.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Looking to the future, how come I'm not hearing more guys proposing that we keep Campbell(who is completely serviceable, if not young and moldable-if that's a word), build the o-line(that's focused on running the ball), build a GREAT defense, and then start looking for our saviour qb in a year or two.

Many of us have been saying something like that.

that's all fine, but I'm in support of drafting a QB now and keeping him on the bench to learn while Campbell holds the fort for the next year or two. Gives the OL time to improve. I'm not sure that waiting 2 years to draft a QB will help, since that'll throw him to the wolves since Campbell likely won't be around by then.

 

[burgundy and gold]

My favorite team just signed an incompetent homophobe in diapers. :X

I don't buy the homophobe label. I read the statements in question and I took the use of the word "f-a-g" as a general putdown and it isn't apparent that the person he was saying it to was even gay. Sometimes that word is used between some guys to call another guy weak or whatever.I think that if he had never made the negative comments about the coach then he wouldve never been released. The guy has the same issues a lot of guys have. He runs of at the mouth and gets himself into unnecessary problems and he has issues with aggression towards women. He needs some real help but I think he can still play in the meantime. He was KCs starter going into last season and many thought he'd have a very good season then. We must agree that their line was awful. Their system was totally wrong for him, I was not surprised that Charles (a speed-back outside runner type) was able to produce. There's no room for him in Cincy, because he's not gonna play for league min. again this year.I'm excited about this pickup because we didn't overpay and he may be very productive.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Anyone think the Skins might consider Eric Berry at #4? He doesn't fill our greatest need but the guy is a freak and a great locker room guy and may be the "surest" thing next to Suh. I read somewhere (I forget where) that Okung might be better suited at RT. If that's the case, does it make more sense to take Berry and the best available OL in round 2?

I believe (and may be the only one) that this is a lock to happen. This team is not going to win with offense this season or next. They are close on Defense, and Berry fills a HUGE hole. Berry in Rd 1 and this is going to be the bigger shocker, Colt McCoy in Rd 2 to ride the bench this year. I think you are seeing them fill their OL needs in FA.I know these projections will not be popular, but it's where I stand and I don't think it's all that bad of a draft if they do it.

I think this is about 20,000 miles off base.Their offensive line needs have in no way been completely addressed in free agency, nor will they be. It's only because of the random and haphazard personnel moves of the last bunch of years that Redskin fans have learned to (wrongly) believe that "you can always get O-line help". Teams with good O-lines build them, over time, using the draft primarily. That's the main team need at this point, one that sabotaged the last 2 seasons, and it will take more than a year to address. And addressing it will not be done well by grabbing only lower-tier free agents. Unless Berry can play RT or QB, they won't pick him.

it usually takes 2 years for an OL to gel, if they have the same personnel. Anything less, and especially with a lot of change, and that's asking for trouble. The OL situation won't be solved overnight.

Unfortunately, this isn't overnight and that keeps getting said every year. Last I checked this isn't a magic show and POOF you get 5 OL all at once. Here's a novel idea at some point you do have to draft a start worthy OL with a 1st or 2nd rounder. I understand that is foreign to us 'Skins (+fans), but it appears that most of the other NFL teams get it.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Many people are always looking for some underlying reason why a player is signed...how about the team needs depth? I know...it's crazy, right? Can you believe that a team, especially the Redskins, actually wants to have depth at a position? Wow, maybe we just got used to Vinny only stocking big splash starters and forgot that most teams make moves for depth purposes...

 

[fatness]

Looking to the future, how come I'm not hearing more guys proposing that we keep Campbell(who is completely serviceable, if not young and moldable-if that's a word), build the o-line(that's focused on running the ball), build a GREAT defense, and then start looking for our saviour qb in a year or two.

That's exactly what I propose, except I'd say "looking for our QB where he's a solid choice at that draft position, any of the next 3 drafts."And 1.4 this year is too high for Bradford or Claussen.

 

[buster c]

Looking to the future, how come I'm not hearing more guys proposing that we keep Campbell(who is completely serviceable, if not young and moldable-if that's a word), build the o-line(that's focused on running the ball), build a GREAT defense, and then start looking for our saviour qb in a year or two.

That's exactly what I propose, except I'd say "looking for our QB where he's a solid choice at that draft position, any of the next 3 drafts."And 1.4 this year is too high for Bradford or Claussen.

Btadford is going to the Rams at 1.1if they draft Claussen, I'm going to start self-mutilating. while watching the Navy-ND classic on my DVR. as he fumbles at the goal line. fumbles in the end zone. throws a momentum-changing pickle. against guys who were, for the most part, not heavt D1 recruits.OKUNG!

 

[fatness]

OKUNG!

 

[fatness]

Just to stir the pot a bit.

Is minicamp the end for Campbell?

The Redskins are holding a minicamp before the draft. It’s a little unusual, but new coaches get an extra camp so the Redskins can spend one of their three just watching veterans. It’s not a bad decision.

Then again, maybe it’s a last tryout for Jason Campbell to prove himself before the draft. Washington apparently wants Sam Bradford with the fourth pick. The problem is St. Louis might take the Oklahoma passer with the first choice. If so, Washington could grab Notre Dame’s Jimmy Clausen or go for an offensive tackle.

How well Campbell grasps coach Mike Shanahan’s system could be the final determiner for the Redskins in their Plan B approach if Bradford’s gone. If Campbell shows Shanahan he can succeed, maybe the Redskins take the offensive tackle. If Campbell stinks, Shanahan knows what he must do. A few other positions may also show Shanahan where further picks are most needed. Maybe the Redskins could even trade Campbell for a pick in the coming draft.

Newly-signed Rex Grossman is the veteran in the room that knows the system, the role Todd Collins performed in recent years. Grossman is not supposed to be the starter, but help whomever starts learn Shanahan’s offense. Of course, with no left tackle to protect the starter Grossman better be ready, too.

 

[Sebowski]

Their offensive line needs have in no way been completely addressed in free agency, nor will they be. It's only because of the random and haphazard personnel moves of the last bunch of years that Redskin fans have learned to (wrongly) believe that "you can always get O-line help". Teams with good O-lines build them, over time, using the draft primarily. That's the main team need at this point, one that sabotaged the last 2 seasons, and it will take more than a year to address. And addressing it will not be done well by grabbing only lower-tier free agents.

Unless Berry can play RT or QB, they won't pick him.

Link?

 

[fatness]

Link?

You want a link to my opinion? OK.Link

 

[Sebowski]

Link?

You want a link to my opinion? OK.Link

I want a link that says the good lines are built over time through and through the draft. I've posted evidence to the contrary a couple times.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

From Rick Maese

Posted at 10:54 PM ET, 03/17/2010

Report: Tim Tebow will have workout with Redskins

On a day the Redskins locked up one quarterback, they're apparently preparing to work out another. The Redskins are one of five teams that have scheduled individual workouts with draft prospect Tim Tebow, according to the Sporting News.

Tebow participated in the University of Florida's pro day on Wednesday afternoon in Gainesville, Fla. With a variety of prospects on display, scouts and executives from most teams were on hand, as well as a handful of head coaches. Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen were not present, but they didn't need to be if they plan on viewing Tebow up-close at Redskins Park in the coming weeks.

Tebow will also workout with Buffalo, Cleveland, New England and Seattle, according to the report.

The former Heisman Trophy winner is not projected by most to be a first-round draft pick, but because he could go early in the second round, he reportedly will be invited to New York to attend the NFL draft next month.

The Redskins hold the draft's No. 37 pick, which could put them in prime position to select Tebow in the second round, if they choose. Working out for scouts and coaches Wednesday, Tebow unveiled a new throwing motion intended to erase concerns about his poor mechanics.

Much of the pre-draft speculation has focused on the Redskins possibly drafting a quarterback with their first-round pick, the draft's No. 4 overall. But with a major need at the left tackle position and with the increasing likelihood that Sam Bradford will be chosen by the St. Louis Rams with the draft's first pick, it's certainly possible that

Washington passes on a quarterback in the first round and waits until the second or later. The team signed Rex Grossman to a one-year contract early Wednesday, and Grossman is expected to compete for the team's backup job.

Tebow won the Heisman Trophy in 2007 and twice led the Gators to a

national title.

 

[fatness]

I want a link that says the good lines are built over time through and through the draft. I've posted evidence to the contrary a couple times.

I'll go further. Good teams are build over time and primarily through the draft. Something we've known nothing about in Washington.

 

[fatness]

From Rick MaesePosted at 10:54 PM ET, 03/17/2010 Report: Tim Tebow will have workout with Redskins

Good move on their part. The more interest they seem to have in Tebow, the more likely it is that some unfortunate team will want to trade up for the Redskins' 2nd round pick to grab him.