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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (1 Viewer)

Porter signed with the Cardinals, which in my book is another feather in Allen's and Shanny's caps. Sometimes the best signings are the ones you don't make.
I don't mind them talking to Porter, or talking to any player for that matter. For awhile I was cringing when I heard they might talk to a player, but then I remembered that that is the way NFL front offices do it ---- they see who is available, what that player can and cannot do, what the player wants, what team needs are, and then they decide what contract to offer, if any.But we haven't had a front office like that in Washington since the Mesozoic era. We've had one guy, Cerrato, who would basically listen to (and often disregard) his coaching staff, watch film with the owner, decide then who to sign, and then bring them in for a visit. Completely ### backwards, and why I'm conditioned to believe that bringing a player in = signing that player.

Damn it's nice having a professional front office.

 
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Redskins 18th in Radio Share

The Washington Redskins once owned the South with its radio network. Now the team is 18th in listeners among 25 NFL teams reported, according to sportsbusinessdaily.com.

The Chicago Bears have 626,600 listeners on average, by far outpacing runner-up New York Giants’ 457,000. Detroit is fifth at 331,900, probably because the Lions are often blacked out.

Washington has 197,100. Surely the Carolina Panthers have eroded the North Carolina base since their 1995 arrival that was once entirely Redskins. The Tennessee Titans’ move from Houston also reduced Washington’s presence in eastern Tennessee. And even dating to pre-1961 when Redskins owner George Preston Marshall didn’t sign black players to avoid offending his southern fans, the Atlanta Falcons certainly reduce the Redskins’ presence in Georgia.

That said, only two playoff seasons since 1993 have reduced the team’s following. The move from Frank Herzog to Larry Michael as the play-by-play man was also disliked by some fans. And, some fans are tiring of Sonny Jurgensen and Sam Huff.
 
Under former coach Jim Zorn, the Redskins for the past two seasons ran a version of the West Coast attack. But from what I'm hearing from players, the scheme Mike and Kyle Shanahan are installing is much more advanced than the offense Zorn directed as the Redskins ranked near the bottom of the league in scoring and went 12-20 during the 2008-09 seasons.

Although the basic concepts are the same -- spread the field, control the ball with short passes, receivers running to spots in patterns and staying put -- the big difference in the Shanahans' offense, players said, is the number of "explosive" plays included in the playbook.

Since the start of the offseason conditioning program Monday, players have watched film of the Broncos' offense under Mike Shanahan, and they've become increasingly impressed with each session, several said. It's not just exciting to them that the Shanahans intend to stretch the field, it's also the type of patterns they plan to use to isolate receivers in matchups that are expected to be favorable for the Redskins.

Based on the early reviews, receivers will move more before the snap and have more options on routes than they did under Zorn.
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Detailed article about Haynesworth's performance in 2009
 
According to Kelli Johnson, Haynesworth was not there for the full week of workouts.

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Kelli is among the best reporters in the market, and her information, once again, is dead-on accurate. Haynesworth did not participate in the opening week of conditioning and film study at the complex. But here's the thing: He never intended to and the Redskins were made aware of his plans, people familiar with the situation said.
Haynesworth is following an intense offseason workout program under the guidance of the same trainer who helped him reach all-pro status during the 2007-08 seasons. Shanahan made it clear he wanted his "team leaders" to report to Ashburn for the conditioning program, and Haynesworth, who has talked with the team about his offseason schedule, believed it was important to be there on the first day. And Haynesworth is "gonna be around" the complex as the workouts progress, one of the sources said.

As I reported last week, Haynesworth and the Redskins in January discussed Haynesworth's new role during a meeting at the complex, and there have been follow-up conversations, team sources said. Would Shanahan prefer to have Haynesworth in Ashburn year-round for the positive statement that would make? Probably. But Shanahan, I think, realizes that Haynesworth could be the key to his plan to shift from the 4-3 to the 3-4. Haynesworth showed respect to Shanahan by attending on the first day for something that is voluntary under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement.

Despite Shanahan's tough talk about players needing to show their commitment to the program if they want to be on the team, the reality is that didn't apply to Haynesworth. The Redskins will cut him a check for a guaranteed $21 million option bonus in April, and Haynesworth's 2010 and 2011 base salaries are guaranteed, too. With the money Haynesworth is guaranteed, there's no way the Redskins would cut him for not reporting. Moreover, regardless if some in the main building believe

Haynesworth has a bad attitude (and trust us, some do), the coaching staff knows they need the guy because he's one of few elite players on the roster.

Haynesworth met Shanahan halfway in appearing on the first day of the program. Perhaps Shanahan made a positive gesture in accepting Haynesworth won't be around all the time. That certainly not a perfect union -- but it's a start.
Jason Reid
 
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Detailed article about Haynesworth's performance in 2009
Like the article said, I don't get all the dislike about Haynesworth. He is a big guy and plays a position where every team rotates the players. He routinely played a lot of snaps and played them well. Sure the Redskins may have overpaid him, but I thought he lived up to what they were expecting.The biggest mystery on the Redskins' defense is "what happened to the secondary?". I thought they were supposed to get better and get more interceptions with a good pass rush. Instead, they forgot how to cover wide receivers.

 
The biggest mystery on the Redskins' defense is "what happened to the secondary?". I thought they were supposed to get better and get more interceptions with a good pass rush. Instead, they forgot how to cover wide receivers.
I don;t know what happened, but it couldn't have been Jerry Gray's fault. He is a head coach in the making! :wall:
 
daveytrackels said:
can someonde please explain this to me?
Can you be more specific? If it's the demotivational posters, just think of the "Aints" paper bags and update it to 2009.
That guy just made some nonsense posts here and then started trying to spam some website. No sense responding to him since his account's been whacked, I believe.
 
Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren was asked about Clausen on Sunday and he responded: "I wish I liked him more," according to the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. Holmgren says the Browns will select a quarterback in next month's draft but probably not in the first couple of rounds. The Browns hold the draft's No. 7 overall pick, and there's no way Oklahoma's Sam Bradford will fall that far. It's possible that Clausen slips to No. 7, but Holmgren apparently doesn't think Clausen is a good value that high in the draft. "You know how you have a type of player that you like? It's not scientific. People like him a lot. He'll go high," Holmgren said. "But it would be hard for me [to take him]."

Sure, the pre-draft talk is littered with misdirection, subterfuge and outright lies, but it sure doesn't seem Clausen will be Cleveland-bound. Holmgren's assessment should be of particular interest to Redskins' fans. Some mock drafts -- including that of ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. -- have the Redskins selecting Clausen with the No. 4 pick in the first round. But many talent evaluators -- and add Holmgren's name to the list -- continue to say that Clausen isn't worth that high a pick.
Cindy Boren

 
Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren was asked about Clausen on Sunday and he responded: "I wish I liked him more," according to the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. Holmgren says the Browns will select a quarterback in next month's draft but probably not in the first couple of rounds. The Browns hold the draft's No. 7 overall pick, and there's no way Oklahoma's Sam Bradford will fall that far. It's possible that Clausen slips to No. 7, but Holmgren apparently doesn't think Clausen is a good value that high in the draft. "You know how you have a type of player that you like? It's not scientific. People like him a lot. He'll go high," Holmgren said. "But it would be hard for me [to take him]."

Sure, the pre-draft talk is littered with misdirection, subterfuge and outright lies, but it sure doesn't seem Clausen will be Cleveland-bound. Holmgren's assessment should be of particular interest to Redskins' fans. Some mock drafts -- including that of ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. -- have the Redskins selecting Clausen with the No. 4 pick in the first round. But many talent evaluators -- and add Holmgren's name to the list -- continue to say that Clausen isn't worth that high a pick.
Cindy Boren
Clausen = Chris Simms IINo thank you. :lmao:

 
daveytrackels said:
can someonde please explain this to me?
Can you be more specific? If it's the demotivational posters, just think of the "Aints" paper bags and update it to 2009.
That guy just made some nonsense posts here and then started trying to spam some website. No sense responding to him since his account's been whacked, I believe.
are you talking about Peggy Starfish?
 
Rich Tandler recaps a Sirius radio interview w/ Haynesworth today:

Albert Haynesworth wants to get back to being a dominant defender and in order to do so he believes that he needs to work on his own with his personal trainer.

That means that he will not be participating in the offseason workouts at Redskins Park, something that Mike Shanahan has stated on many occasions that he would like all of his players to do. As in 100%. As in every last one.

“I need to do this,” Haynesworth told Sirius NFL Radio on Monday of his plans to workout away from the rest of the team.

Haynesworth said that Shanahan understood. “He said I want you to train with our guys,” said Haynesworth. “I said,’ to get me back to where I want to be I need the serious training, I need the stuff that got me where I’m at.’ We do a lot of specialized stuff for me, a lot of training. [My trainer] comes up with some great stuff just for me, to get me stronger.”

“[shanahan] said, ‘I don’t really agree with it but I respect you for telling me.’”

Haynesworth said that he was in “OK shape” last year but that wasn’t good enough. “I have to get my body in the condition I had it in the last two years with the Titans,” he said. “I didn’t dominate; I didn’t play like I wanted to. Now I plan on getting back to where I was and dominating.”

He was not concerned about getting off on the wrong foot with Shanahan or Bruce Allen. “The pay me to play football and as long as I’m dominating and being a great player, that’s all that matters.”

Per NFL rules, the offseason workouts are voluntary.

When asked about making a switch to the 3-4 defense, a change that the Redskins are widely believed to be making, Haynesworth said that while he’s never played it before he will do what they ask of him. “I’m not going to be a distraction or anything so I’ll just do what they want me to do,” he said.

He said that he would prefer to play end on a three-man line as opposed to nose tackle. End is much more of a playmaking position as opposed to the man in the middle, who generally is assigned to taking on double teams and allowing others to make the plays.

Haynesworth recalled a conversation he had with Jim Washburn, his defensive line coach when he was with the Titans. “He said that I’m built like [basketball] center, but I want to be out there on the perimeter shooting threes.”

“I’d definitely say end,” Haynesworth said. He pointed out that he’s 6’ 6” and most nose tackles are “stump-type players”.

“I don’t think I’m built to be a nose tackle,” he said.

The subject moved to last year’s 4-12 season under departed head coach Jim Zorn. “We had too many chiefs and not enough Indians,” Haynesworth said. “Everyone wanted to be ‘that guy’; it was kind of ridiculous.”

“Now we have one chief and Indians to follow,” he said. “It’s going to be awesome.”

When asked about quarterback Jason Campbell’s potential, Haynesworth said that he thinks that Campbell can play. “He has some things to work on but who doesn’t other than Peyton Manning and Tom Brady?” he said. “He’s a good player, he can be one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL.”

Haynesworth said that he thinks that the team’s convoluted play-calling setup, with Sherm Lewis going from being a consultant to taking Zorn’s play-calling duties in the space of a couple of weeks in the middle of the season, held Campbell back.

“I would talk to him and he would tell me some of the things they would call,” Haynesworth said. “It would be third and seven and they would call a play that’ for third and three. I didn’t understand some of that stuff.”
 
I've seen some criticism of Haynesworth for how he handled this first team work-out (not here; mostly replies to blog posts elsewhere), but it looks like he's just the one making the headlines, almost certainly due to his contract and who he is. Edwin Williams told Hogs Haven that multiple players did what Haynesworth did (showed up for the first day and then left to do their own thing).

Another big news item is Haynesworh only showed up for the first day of voluntary workouts then left for the week. Edwin mentioned Big Al was not the only player to do so. There were multiple players that did this. I don't see it as a big deal. They all received their conditioning programs and were told what was expected of them.
 
These are the types of things that are pointed out as problems after losing. Since Shanallenhan is being given the benefit of the doubt, everyone is going to say it doesn't matter. If they have a horrid season, some will look back and say this was a problem and that the culture hasn't changed.

 
Rich Tandler recaps a Sirius radio interview w/ Haynesworth today:

Albert Haynesworth wants to get back to being a dominant defender and in order to do so he believes that he needs to work on his own with his personal trainer.

That means that he will not be participating in the offseason workouts at Redskins Park, something that Mike Shanahan has stated on many occasions that he would like all of his players to do. As in 100%. As in every last one.

“I need to do this,” Haynesworth told Sirius NFL Radio on Monday of his plans to workout away from the rest of the team.

Haynesworth said that Shanahan understood. “He said I want you to train with our guys,” said Haynesworth. “I said,’ to get me back to where I want to be I need the serious training, I need the stuff that got me where I’m at.’ We do a lot of specialized stuff for me, a lot of training. [My trainer] comes up with some great stuff just for me, to get me stronger.”

“[shanahan] said, ‘I don’t really agree with it but I respect you for telling me.’”

Haynesworth said that he was in “OK shape” last year but that wasn’t good enough. “I have to get my body in the condition I had it in the last two years with the Titans,” he said. “I didn’t dominate; I didn’t play like I wanted to. Now I plan on getting back to where I was and dominating.”

He was not concerned about getting off on the wrong foot with Shanahan or Bruce Allen. “The pay me to play football and as long as I’m dominating and being a great player, that’s all that matters.”

Per NFL rules, the offseason workouts are voluntary.

When asked about making a switch to the 3-4 defense, a change that the Redskins are widely believed to be making, Haynesworth said that while he’s never played it before he will do what they ask of him. “I’m not going to be a distraction or anything so I’ll just do what they want me to do,” he said.

He said that he would prefer to play end on a three-man line as opposed to nose tackle. End is much more of a playmaking position as opposed to the man in the middle, who generally is assigned to taking on double teams and allowing others to make the plays.

Haynesworth recalled a conversation he had with Jim Washburn, his defensive line coach when he was with the Titans. “He said that I’m built like [basketball] center, but I want to be out there on the perimeter shooting threes.”

“I’d definitely say end,” Haynesworth said. He pointed out that he’s 6’ 6” and most nose tackles are “stump-type players”.

“I don’t think I’m built to be a nose tackle,” he said.

The subject moved to last year’s 4-12 season under departed head coach Jim Zorn. “We had too many chiefs and not enough Indians,” Haynesworth said. “Everyone wanted to be ‘that guy’; it was kind of ridiculous.”

“Now we have one chief and Indians to follow,” he said. “It’s going to be awesome.”

When asked about quarterback Jason Campbell’s potential, Haynesworth said that he thinks that Campbell can play. “He has some things to work on but who doesn’t other than Peyton Manning and Tom Brady?” he said. “He’s a good player, he can be one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL.”

Haynesworth said that he thinks that the team’s convoluted play-calling setup, with Sherm Lewis going from being a consultant to taking Zorn’s play-calling duties in the space of a couple of weeks in the middle of the season, held Campbell back.

“I would talk to him and he would tell me some of the things they would call,” Haynesworth said. “It would be third and seven and they would call a play that’ for third and three. I didn’t understand some of that stuff.”
Interesting interview with Haynesworth. If it is true that he worked out with the team last year and was not in very good shape, I can see his point. Of course, Shanahan is no Zorn, so team workouts, from what I have read, are a lot different this year.Haynesworth also clearly said he will do what he is told to do and won't cause problems. Maybe the media is making Haynesworth and the switch to a 3-4 a bigger deal than it really is.

 
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Boy I miss Frank Herzog on the Skin's games...

Sonny, Sam & Frank Reunited

Sam Huff was asked on the radio what he misses most about Frank Herzog Monday morning.

"Nothing," Huff said.

"You had to ask a linebacker a serious question, didn't you?" Herzog cracked.

"He was The Voice," Huff said, turning serious and articulate. "Sonny and Sam, we were there to help him....You never over-talked the man with the microphone, and he was the man. It was always Frank....Frank Herzog and that group, the three of us, never walked on each other, so to speak, never over-talked each other. We were a team, and Frank was the leader of me and Sonny. And to be able to handle a quarterback and a linebacker all this time, you had to be somebody special. Frank Herzog is somebody special."

This was all part of WTOP's hour-long tribute to Herzog, who recently announced his retirement after a media career most famous for his stint as Voice of the Redskins. There were guest appearances galore, but the marquee segment featured Frank, Sonny and Sam together again, and it still worked. Those guys could split off to Mongolian villages and Alaskans fishing encampments and Texas rodeos, and reunite in 20 years for a middle school football game in Alabama, and it would still work.

"There were a lot of nights on the road that you would have liked to have been a part of; they were very special to us," Sonny said, adding with an audio twinkle.

"His wife [still] calls and wants to know where he is," Sam added.

"Would you get these two off before I get in any real trouble?" Frank requested.

"How about the time we were in California when Sonny and Rick Hunt didn't show up?" Sam said.

"Sam, I think you've been on long enough," Sonny insisted.

"How about the hurricane in Tampa?" Frank said, recalling how a hotel manager attempted to kick them out as the storm approached. "We said go to hell, we're sleeping here, and we slept on the floor."

"We also went to the kitchen and ate," Sam remembered.

"Ah," Frank sighed. "Those were the days."

Everyone can agree with that. Nostalgia is a beautiful thing. If there was something else everyone agreed upon, it was that the Riggo touchdown run against the Dolphins was the iconic call of Herzog's career; "there was only one highlight," as Huff put it. Herzog said what made it even better was the foreshadowing, with both Sonny and Sam saying a few minutes earlier that a moment was approaching where Riggo would have to take over, probably on third down.

WTOP played the call again, and as with the assembled trio's repartee, it couldn't have been more perfect: "He's gone...He's gone. He's gone. He's gone. Touchdown, Washington Redskins."

"Once again, it plays, and I don't get a dime," Herzog cracked.

"I get goosebumps if nothing else," said Riggo, who was also in studio. "That's better than the dime."

Herzog was asked to explain his "Touchdown, Washington Redskins!" call. (That link is the audio of his call.) He said he realized that Riggins doesn't score without Joe Jacoby blocking, without Otis Wansley being in the right spot.

"That was kind of born out of necessity," Herzog said. "In getting to know players and talking to people like John and the offensive linemen who helped make him a star, you began to realize that it wasn't just John Riggins scoring a touchdown, that was a team effort....So I said it's kind of a collective thing, let's call it a Washington Redskins touchdown, and it caught on."

That it did. Most of you have experience turning down the TV sound to listen to that trio, and Herzog has heard from you, as well. He said he once met a Skins fan who didn't realize Frank, Sonny and Sam weren't actually the TV sound until he was in college. Not the brightest chap, perhaps, but it makes the point.

Herzog said he still has his health, and it's time for him to move on and do other things with his life. He wants to act in more movies, to play more golf, to spoil his grandchildren and take photographs. And as he calls it quits, people will go through their Frank, Sonny and Sam stories yet again.

"And I think that's why people were so upset when it was broken up a couple years ago for whatever reason," Riggins said. "That [trio] is emblemized in everybody's mind for the rest of their lives, and that's pretty cool."

"We made this guy," Huff joked. "He called every play, Sonny and I knew what was coming before he even had to call it. I mean, that's the experience the three of us had. I mean, no one could call it better than Frank Herzog. He put excitement in an old linebacker and an old quarterback....That's what it's all about. The game's on the field, but he made it exciting. That experience, with the quarterback and the linebacker was just unbelievable, and to have a great announcer like Frank Herzog, it was a great combination."

"Well, he got where he understood, when we'd go into our verbiage, he'd know what we were talking about," Sonny said. "I mean, at the beginning he didn't, but he picked that up very quickly, because anybody who knows Frank knows that he was a quick study.....We did a lot of things together and had a lot of fun, and I always knew you weren't gonna be hung out to dry with Frank at the mic."

And so, retirement?

"It's natural, ok?" Sam advised. "I understand, but you were one of the greatest. So hang in there."

"Have fun, Frank," Sonny said.

"Great to hear your guys' voices again," Frank said as the segment ended.

Ditto.

 
Haynesworth said that he was in “OK shape” last year but that wasn’t good enough. “I have to get my body in the condition I had it in the last two years with the Titans,” he said. “I didn’t dominate; I didn’t play like I wanted to. Now I plan on getting back to where I was and dominating.”
When asked about making a switch to the 3-4 defense, a change that the Redskins are widely believed to be making, Haynesworth said that while he’s never played it before he will do what they ask of him. “I’m not going to be a distraction or anything so I’ll just do what they want me to do,” he said.
“Now we have one chief and Indians to follow,” he said. “It’s going to be awesome.”
I'm fine with what Haynesworth is saying here. Of course it matters more what shape he's in, how he plays, and whether he makes waves or not, but we won't know those things until the season comes.
 
More Haynesworth from Dan Steinberg's blog. Mostly it's a fleshing out of the quotes posted above by Sidewinder16.

"We had too many chiefs and not enough Indians," Haynesworth said, referring to the coaching staff. "That's kind of what it was, everybody wanting to be that guy. It was kind of a llittle ridiculous. Now we've got one chief, and some Indians to follow him....

"You know, I'm used to Jeff Fisher being that guy and everybody answering to him," Haynesworth said a few moments later, when asked if the structure a year ago surprised him. "We only [saw owner] Bud Adams a few times in the building, ever. That's what I was used to, not with all this play-caller changes, we're gonna do this, now we're gonna do that. It was really different. Really different. And now you've got a respected coach in there, I think it'll get back to the normal NFL norm."
"The players, we stuck together," he said. "I think it was more between the coaches, honestly. I've never been on a team where the head coach is calling the plays, and you have an offensive coordinator, and he doesn't call any plays, then you bring in another guy to observe, and then a couple weeks later he's calling the plays. I mean, that was real strange to us."
"I mean, the guy, he can play," Haynesworth said of Campbell. "He can play. He's got some things he's got to work on, but what quarterback doesn't other than Peyton Manning and Tom Brady? The guy, he's a good player, he can be one of the top quarterback in the NFL.

"I would talk to him and he would tell me some of the things they would call. It could be third-and-7, and he said they'll call a play that was for third-and-3. And I was like, 'Dude, why don't you change it, why don't you change the play?' He was like, 'If I change the play, they'll get mad, and I'll hear all about that stuff.' It was really different. I didn't quite understand some of that stuff."

Well, that does seem hard to understand, but maybe this explains why Jason Campbell seemed to throw three-yard patterns on so many third-and-long situations.
"I think with him being at the helm it's gonna be awesome," he said. "I don't think you'll hear anything from Dan Snyder as far as commenting on the team, other than maybe some little stuff, like regular owners. I think it's all gonna be in Mike's hands and Bruce Allen's hands."
 
Redskins miss out on offensive lineman Sims

The Redskins lost another free-agent battle Monday when offensive tackle Barry Sims decided to remain with the San Francisco 49ers.

Sims agreed to a one-year contract that could be worth as much as approximately $2.1 million to return to the 49ers for this season, his agent Kenneth Vierra informed Rick Maese in a text message. Sims's visit with the team apparently went well last week, and it was believed the 11-year veteran was choosing between joining the Redskins and returning to the 49ers -- for whom he played 16 games, and started seven, last season. He played the past two seasons under Chris Foerster, the Redskins' new line coach who came to Washington from San Francisco.

If you're scoring at home, the Redskins have failed to sign several second-tier free agents whom they've pursued, including at least three offensive linemen. The Redskins are in need of major help at tackle with the retirement of Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels and the lack of effectiveness Stephon Heyer often exhibited after beginning the 2009 season as the team's top right tackle.

:thumbup: :unsure:

 
Redskins could opt to go with Russell Okung, Tim Tebow in first 2 rounds

Redskins General Manager Bruce Allen recently said the coaching staff has reviewed every play in which all of the players on the roster have participated since joining the Redskins.

Well, if Coach Mike Shanahan has seen what we've all been watching for the past several seasons, the offensive line jumped out on film as the Redskins' most glaring weakness. That's why Washington's supposed interest in Tim Tebow would make sense.

Shanahan would prefer to draft quarterback Sam Bradford, many league sources believe, but the former Oklahoma Sooners star could be chosen No. 1 overall by the St. Louis Rams. Former Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen figures to be available when the Redskins, who currently hold the fourth overall pick, make their first selection.

Should Russell Okung and Tim Tebow be the Redskins' targets in the first two rounds of the NFL draft?

Yes.

68%

No.

31%

Created on Mar 22, 2010

Total Votes: 677

poll by twiigs.com

But most draft prognosticators believe that would be way too high for any team to choose Clausen. So if Bradford is off the board and the Redskins pass on Clausen, perhaps they would draft someone such as Russell Okung from Oklahoma State and finally begin the process of overhauling the line, which is long overdue.

Shanahan wants to draft a young quarterback and "raise him," league sources have told us since before Shanahan had officially been introduced as the Redskins' new leader. Of course, with all of Washington's roster deficiencies, Shanahan could use the team's picks in this draft (the Redskins do not have selections in the third and sixth rounds) on other positions and go the quarterback route in the 2011 draft.

Or, he could take a long look at Tebow, which appears to be what he's doing. Perhaps the Redskins' are simply playing the misdirection game, which, from what we hear, Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen do well and enjoy.

On the other hand, Shanahan probably has better things to do than hang out in Gainesville, Fla., and reminisce about his days in the early 1980s as a rising young offensive coordinator under then-Gators head coach Charley Pell. Shanahan is part of the Redskins' contingent in Orlando for the owners' meetings, but if he really had no interest in Tebow, Shanahan could have just intstructed one of his many underlings to write an evaluation of Washington's private workout.

There has been some buzz that Tebow suddenly could race up draft boards because of the change in his throwing mechanics. Stranger things have happened, and there's certainly a sense of fascination about Tebow, at least among football fans. An assistant coach of another team that is intrigued about the potential of Tebow as an NFL quarterback recently told me most player-personnel officials have assigned an early-to-late-second-round grade to Tebow. The Redskins currently hold the fifth pick in the second round (37th overall), so unless Tebow suddenly made an unexpected move into the first round, the Redskins might be able to get a franchise-caliber tackle and a quarterback - albeit one who is considered a project - with their first two picks.

Obviously, Shanahan could go in a totally different direction with both picks. With the offensive line in need of much help, however, and the Redskins apparently not committed to Jason Campbell long term, they could do worse than Okung and Tebow in the draft's opening two rounds.

 
daveytrackels said:
can someonde please explain this to me?
Can you be more specific? If it's the demotivational posters, just think of the "Aints" paper bags and update it to 2009.
That guy just made some nonsense posts here and then started trying to spam some website. No sense responding to him since his account's been whacked, I believe.
are you talking about Peggy Starfish?
You just made the list, chief.
 
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Perhaps the Redskins' are simply playing the misdirection game, which, from what we hear, Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen do well and enjoy.
An assistant coach of another team that is intrigued about the potential of Tebow as an NFL quarterback recently told me most player-personnel officials have assigned an early-to-late-second-round grade to Tebow. The Redskins currently hold the fifth pick in the second round (37th overall), so unless Tebow suddenly made an unexpected move into the first round, the Redskins might be able to get a franchise-caliber tackle and a quarterback - albeit one who is considered a project - with their first two picks.
Excellent way to get another team to trade up for our 2nd round pick, and for us to move down in the 2nd and pick up a 3rd rounder. :goodposting:
 
Check out the ages of the players the Redskins have signed this offseason:

Phillip Daniels, 37; Casey Rabach, 32; Artis Hicks, 31; Maake Kemoeatu, 31; Larry Johnson, 30; Mike Williams, 30; Rex Grossman, 29; Sean Ryan, 29; Lorenzo Alexander, 26.

And here are the ages of players the Redskins have been interested in enough to have visit:

Casey Wiegmann, 36; Barry Sims, 35; Chad Clifton, 33; Joey Porter, 32; Jason Babin, 29; Willie Parker, 29; Tony Pashos, 29; Larry Foote, 29.
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Kirawan's latest mock had Okung in the first, with the skins looking at McCoy in the second. Not sure if I care for either McCoy or Tebow.

 
We're fixing for a good 'ol fashioned punter competition in Washington. Either that, or Hunter the Punter Smith is about to get cut. The Redskins announced they signed former Buc Josh Bidwell Tuesday. Bidwell has made one Pro Bowl, in 2005.
PFT
 
We're fixing for a good 'ol fashioned punter competition in Washington. Either that, or Hunter the Punter Smith is about to get cut. The Redskins announced they signed former Buc Josh Bidwell Tuesday. Bidwell has made one Pro Bowl, in 2005.
PFT
Don't most teams bring in at least one extra P and K every offseason to compete, even with established veterans already on the roster?
 
We're fixing for a good 'ol fashioned punter competition in Washington. Either that, or Hunter the Punter Smith is about to get cut. The Redskins announced they signed former Buc Josh Bidwell Tuesday. Bidwell has made one Pro Bowl, in 2005.
PFT
Don't most teams bring in at least one extra P and K every offseason to compete, even with established veterans already on the roster?
Usually bring in two, not necessarily to compete, but to split kicks in practice and save the starter's legs.
 
Check out the ages of the players the Redskins have signed this offseason:

Phillip Daniels, 37; Casey Rabach, 32; Artis Hicks, 31; Maake Kemoeatu, 31; Larry Johnson, 30; Mike Williams, 30; Rex Grossman, 29; Sean Ryan, 29; Lorenzo Alexander, 26.

And here are the ages of players the Redskins have been interested in enough to have visit:

Casey Wiegmann, 36; Barry Sims, 35; Chad Clifton, 33; Joey Porter, 32; Jason Babin, 29; Willie Parker, 29; Tony Pashos, 29; Larry Foote, 29.
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Since players don't become free agents until their 6th year, the free agents are older this year. It is an older free agent class.To me, it looks like the Redskins are committed to getting younger and are not willing to throw much money at the older, one-year stop-gap players.

 
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Kirawan's latest mock had Okung in the first, with the skins looking at McCoy in the second. Not sure if I care for either McCoy or Tebow.
One thought: if the Redskins are really going to a 3-4, they may try to draft a NT in the 2nd round.
I can't see them wasting a 2nd on this...well, maybe waste is a harsh word, but aren't decent NT's not that hard to find? Obviously elite NT's are rare, but a solid NT is more a space-occupier who doesn't get moved easily, and I'd think we could find one of those later.I'm voting for Okung in the 1st, and then I honestly like the discussion around interest in Tebow being a ploy to trade down to get a few more picks. I wouldn't have any issue with taking the best available OL in the 2nd and/or 3rd honestly. We need an OL more than anything else.
 
I'm voting for Okung in the 1st, and then I honestly like the discussion around interest in Tebow being a ploy to trade down to get a few more picks. I wouldn't have any issue with taking the best available OL in the 2nd and/or 3rd honestly. We need an OL more than anything else.
Big fan of this approach also. Have to admit, first time I have had plans to watch the draft in ages. I normally don't care, knowing the skins would just buffoon it up. But this year, it is shaping up to be an interesting first and second day.
 
Kevin Sheehan just announced on the radio that the Redskins have quietly converted the $21 million bonus Albert Haynesworth gets soon into a signing bonus. That moves the entire cap hit for that money to this year, when there is no salary cap. The price for doing so is that after this season, at a cost of $17 million, Haynesworth can buy his way out of the remainder of the contract.

There's no cap hit for Haynesworth beyond this year, in other words. That's a pretty damn smart use of an uncapped year. And they supposedly did the same for DeAngelo Hall.

 
fatness said:
Lavar Arrington goes off on Albert Haynesworth :goodposting:

Arrington really, really does not like the Redskins having any high-profile players. He goes off on Portis, he goes off on Haynesworth. Insecure guy, and loud about it.
interesting take, but the wrong one. I actually heard this live yesterday and to correct you: Arrington does not like the Redskins having Human Excrement on the roster. Both Portis and Haynesworth are selfish and lazy and few in the locker room would shed a tear at either's dismissal. Poor quality people = bad chemistry.

LA is opinionated and loud, but you're grasping when you say he is insecure. Doc Walker and B Mitch are cut from that same cloth. I like it.

 
"First and foremost, you're coming off of a 4-12 season," Arrington began, in a normal speaking voice. "You -- speaking of you, Albert Haynesworth -- were supposed to be the key cog in resurrecting a team that should have been playoff bound when they brought you here. That was what the huge contract was for, that was what all the hoopla was about....

"And what I would tell him is, if your legacy and if your reputation means the world to you, if your family name, if your teammates mean the world to you, then you don't need to hear Mike Shanahan say I disagree with you going with your guy to go train. You don't have to hear that.....

"This is a red flag, Albert. This is a red flag. Be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem. I understand, listen, I ain't trying to be in your pocket. I'll be the last one to try to be in your pocket. But if you're saying you want to work out and do this heavy stuff with your guy, bring him here. Bring him here.

"And you know what, as a leader, you don't want to be a nose guard? How about you bring your whole defensive line with you, and y'all train together, and see if somebody emerges out of that whole crew that can be that dog in the middle as a nose tackle. How about you have every last one of those defensive linemen with you, Albert. How about they come with you. Let me watch how you work, let me see the things that you do, let me see what made you the man that had to be brought here at the price tag that you were brought here for. Let me see that, before we even put a shell, a pad or a helmet on, let me see that....

"And we talk about this all the time, Chad: something called accountability becomes a part of you. It is a bond between your players, your teammates, your coaches, everyone, from the person who lays out your uniform on Sundays, to the person who picks it up after, to the person you go to war with on Sunday. If you had more accountability, you wouldn't be laying yourself down on the ground like you did during the course of the season last year. If you had more accountability you would have came in ready, where you would have got up.

"But you know what? I'm not even gonna focus on that. That's not even worth focusing on. That's in the past. What are you going to do to be that warrior that leads by example for the future, for the present, right here and now? What are you going to do right now? What are you doing to make the Washington Redskins better now. Unfortunately, we will never know, because we won't see you here, your teammates won't see you here.

"When I pass out on the floor after working out so hard to get ready for this season, you did not see me pass out, nor did you put your hand out to help me out when I was done, or vice versa. Your personal trainer did. Well, last time I checked, personal trainers don't suit up and go on the field with you. Last time I checked. Personal trainer my assets. Personal trainer? Bring him here.

"You do your time and you establish what you did not establish last year. It's not enough to come out at the end of the season -- and you're working on having four wins -- it's not enough to come out and say, 'Well, we need some more accountability around here, well, we need some better coaching, well, we need to do things differently. You did not pay the price enough to come out of your face and say that. You did not earn enough respect.

[by this point everything was being said at a heightened volume, but if I post in all-CAPS the Internet crazy police will come lock me up, so just imagine.]

"If London Fletcher said what Albert Haynesworth said, it would have been received and it would have been filed and documented. Why? Because that man paid the price. Why does his name not come up for leaving and going to work out with somebody on his own. Why doesn't Rocky McIntosh's name come up. Why haven't we heard Brian Orakpo's name come up? And he's a baby. God forbid, you have to have a baby lead your team.

"And you're supposed to be one of the workout warriors, you're supposed to be one of the game-day warriors, you're supposed to be a warrior for this team, and you say I won't even be here? But yet when you come back and it's time to go to war and it's time to go to work, you'll look at them and they'll look at you and on game day. You're supposed to trust each other enough to go out there and win a game. Four and 12. Four and 12.

"And need I add, your accolades aren't that good for you to act the way you're acting. I've looked at your highlights, I've looked at your Wikipedia page. You don't have enough on there to act this way. Sorry....You're not where you need to be. You're not. You're not. And you need to realize that and you need to humble yourself before you find yourself in a situation where you don't have the opportunity.

"Right now you have the opportunity to right what you're doing. Right now you have the opportunity to take the bull by the horns and be what it is that you need to be, and not for anybody else other than for yourself and for your teammates. Not for anything else other than that. But it's time out for falling out. It's time out for getting carted off a field. I ain't never seen somebody get carted off a field and come back and play. That's not heroic. Nobody's looking at you like, 'What a hero!' Nobody's looking at you that way. They're looking at you like you a lazy A-cat that had to get carted off the field.

"Who knows what they did for you while you was in the locker room, gave you some oxygen or something like that so you could come back out and play. Nobody looked at it as heroic, and you need to know it, and maybe the people around you aren't telling you that, but somebody needs to say it to you. Because if you don't stop that, all's you will be known as is the guy that came to Washington and was a part of a long list of free agents that came here, took money, did nothing, and left. If that's what you want your legacy to be, by all means, let that be your legacy.

"But if you want to do something that is constructive and that is going to make this team what it needs to be, at the end of the day, you need to come on back. And you need to say, 'You know what, I am here to work, and I'm here to work with my team, and I'm here to work with my coaches, and we're gonna get better."
 
fatness said:
Kevin Sheehan just announced on the radio that the Redskins have quietly converted the $21 million bonus Albert Haynesworth gets soon into a signing bonus. That moves the entire cap hit for that money to this year, when there is no salary cap. The price for doing so is that after this season, at a cost of $17 million, Haynesworth can buy his way out of the remainder of the contract. There's no cap hit for Haynesworth beyond this year, in other words. That's a pretty damn smart use of an uncapped year. And they supposedly did the same for DeAngelo Hall.
Fantastic move.Re: Arrington. Get over yourself. Its just a workout session. Players do this all the time. Sometimes they work better outside the facility. Haynesworth's track record with his guy can't be questioned. I am all for Haynesworth getting back to his old training ways.
 
fatness said:
Kevin Sheehan just announced on the radio that the Redskins have quietly converted the $21 million bonus Albert Haynesworth gets soon into a signing bonus. That moves the entire cap hit for that money to this year, when there is no salary cap. The price for doing so is that after this season, at a cost of $17 million, Haynesworth can buy his way out of the remainder of the contract. There's no cap hit for Haynesworth beyond this year, in other words. That's a pretty damn smart use of an uncapped year. And they supposedly did the same for DeAngelo Hall.
Fantastic move.Re: Arrington. Get over yourself. Its just a workout session. Players do this all the time. Sometimes they work better outside the facility. Haynesworth's track record with his guy can't be questioned. I am all for Haynesworth getting back to his old training ways.
It's a great move and good use of the uncapped year, just in case this is the only one. Sheehan or Lavarro commented that this type of restructuring isn't the type of move you make when you really like a player.
 
fatness said:
Kevin Sheehan just announced on the radio that the Redskins have quietly converted the $21 million bonus Albert Haynesworth gets soon into a signing bonus. That moves the entire cap hit for that money to this year, when there is no salary cap. The price for doing so is that after this season, at a cost of $17 million, Haynesworth can buy his way out of the remainder of the contract.

There's no cap hit for Haynesworth beyond this year, in other words. That's a pretty damn smart use of an uncapped year. And they supposedly did the same for DeAngelo Hall.
Fantastic move.Re: Arrington. Get over yourself. Its just a workout session. Players do this all the time. Sometimes they work better outside the facility. Haynesworth's track record with his guy can't be questioned. I am all for Haynesworth getting back to his old training ways.
It's a great move and good use of the uncapped year, just in case this is the only one. Sheehan or Lavarro commented that this type of restructuring isn't the type of move you make when you really like a player.
Here is the article that describes in detail the renogotiations with Haynesworth and Hall. I am pretty impressed with the detailed knowledge of the salary cap and using it to to their advantage.Also from the article, Hall has a $15M option bonus. That seems pretty over the top for a player of his caliber. I can't see Hall paying $15M to get out of his contract. I could see Haynesworth paying $16.8 M to void his contract since he would surely be in for another big pay day.

 
fatness said:
Kevin Sheehan just announced on the radio that the Redskins have quietly converted the $21 million bonus Albert Haynesworth gets soon into a signing bonus. That moves the entire cap hit for that money to this year, when there is no salary cap. The price for doing so is that after this season, at a cost of $17 million, Haynesworth can buy his way out of the remainder of the contract. There's no cap hit for Haynesworth beyond this year, in other words. That's a pretty damn smart use of an uncapped year. And they supposedly did the same for DeAngelo Hall.
Love this. It's funny, because everyone thought the Skins were going to take advantage of the uncapped year by signing a bunch of top tier FA's and going a gazillion dollars over what the non-existing cap would of been.Instead, they've purged all the dead weight off their roster and have manipulated the contracts of their 2 biggest signings last year to avoid big cap hits (if the cap comes back) in the future.Genius.
 
everyone thought the Skins were going to take advantage of the uncapped year by signing a bunch of top tier FA's and going a gazillion dollars over what the non-existing cap would of been.Instead, they've purged all the dead weight off their roster and have manipulated the contracts of their 2 biggest signings last year to avoid big cap hits (if the cap comes back) in the future.
I think most of the Skins insiders (and many of us) predicted the house cleaning. In fact, many even predicted Portis and Haynesworth being cut. It was mostly the rest of the league that thought the Redskins would sign every available FA and shoot for the SB this year.
 
everyone thought the Skins were going to take advantage of the uncapped year by signing a bunch of top tier FA's and going a gazillion dollars over what the non-existing cap would of been.Instead, they've purged all the dead weight off their roster and have manipulated the contracts of their 2 biggest signings last year to avoid big cap hits (if the cap comes back) in the future.
I think most of the Skins insiders (and many of us) predicted the house cleaning. In fact, many even predicted Portis and Haynesworth being cut. It was mostly the rest of the league that thought the Redskins would sign every available FA and shoot for the SB this year.
Agreed. The "everyone" I referenced in my post is mostly the media and fans of other teams.I think it's funny that the media still seems surprised when these second tier FA's visit Redskin's Park and leave without a contract. And I think the Redskins' rep as big spenders who don't let the guys they want sign with another team has led to other teams overpaying for a couple of these FA's.
 
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fatness said:
Lavar Arrington goes off on Albert Haynesworth :goodposting:

Arrington really, really does not like the Redskins having any high-profile players. He goes off on Portis, he goes off on Haynesworth. Insecure guy, and loud about it.
interesting take, but the wrong one. I actually heard this live yesterday and to correct you: Arrington does not like the Redskins having Human Excrement on the roster. Both Portis and Haynesworth are selfish and lazy and few in the locker room would shed a tear at either's dismissal. Poor quality people = bad chemistry.

LA is opinionated and loud, but you're grasping when you say he is insecure. Doc Walker and B Mitch are cut from that same cloth. I like it.
Arrington is one of the most selfish piles of Human Excrement we had. I remember going to games, watchign the defense give up 10-15 yard plays for first downs and LaVar leading the defense in his little dance between plays.
 

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