***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[Dexter Manley]

Scouting report on Jammal Brown.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/...rt-jammal-brown

Scouting Report: Jammal Brown

June, 21, 2010 Jun 2111:53AM ETEmail Print Comments171 By Matt Mosley

BrownAs promised, I spoke to several NFL talent evaluators about new Redskins offensive tackle Jammal Brown this morning. Everyone agrees that he's a talented player, but there's been concern about his durability going all the way back to his time at Oklahoma. He missed the '09 season for the Saints with hip and sports hernia injuries. Now he claims to be 100 percent healthy.

Here's what a veteran AFC scout had to say about Brown this morning via text:

Size and athleticism...good feet, can slide and has good range off edge, but not a power player. Average at point of attack bulk strength. More finesse in run game than push and drive. Gives the Redskins an athlete that can pass protect and move his feet with experience and solid stater ability. But he can be challenged with anchor and can have some trouble at times with stunts and twists in space.

And that last part was a common theme in the conversations I've had this morning. Brown's a good player, but when he has to make "sudden" decisions, he's prone to mistakes. As we talked about Sunday, though, he's definitely an upgrade for the Skins' offense line if he's healthy.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Apparently the cowgirls were interested in Brown too.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/...at-jammal-brown

Did 'Boys look at Jammal Brown?

June, 21, 2010 Jun 219:59AM ETEmail Print Comments82 By Matt MosleyIn the aftermath of offensive tackle Jammal Brown being traded from the Saints to the Redskins, Jeff Duncan of the New Orleans Times-Picayune cited a source saying the Cowboys had also shown interest in the player. This morning, though, I talked to a source with the Cowboys who said he'd been given no indication that Brown's name came up in discussions.

He said that Alex Barron and Brown are similar players, so there really wasn't an obvious need. For now, the Cowboys seem content to enter training camp with Doug Free starting at left tackle and Marc Colombo continuing at right tackle. That said, Barron should be ready at all times. As I talk to the other teams in the division, none of them seem convinced that Free will hold down the job for the entire season. Some of the scouts think that Barron's experience and pedigree will allow him to surpass Free at some point.

Redskins fans: I tracked down a scouting report on Brown from one of the league's top scouts. I'll have that for you a little later today.

 

[Dexter Manley]

OK folks. What's the best plan for the Redskins to deal with Haynesworth? Time to post what you think they should do, and how it benefits the team the most. If you're going to cite "making people feel good" as a benefit, perhaps you could supply some history about how other feel-good moves have benefited the team in the past.

I'm with Buster on this one. They must break him.

 

[dgreen]

Scouting report on Jammal Brown.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/...rt-jammal-brown

Scouting Report: Jammal Brown

June, 21, 2010 Jun 2111:53AM ETEmail Print Comments171 By Matt Mosley

BrownAs promised, I spoke to several NFL talent evaluators about new Redskins offensive tackle Jammal Brown this morning. Everyone agrees that he's a talented player, but there's been concern about his durability going all the way back to his time at Oklahoma. He missed the '09 season for the Saints with hip and sports hernia injuries. Now he claims to be 100 percent healthy.

Here's what a veteran AFC scout had to say about Brown this morning via text:

Size and athleticism...good feet, can slide and has good range off edge, but not a power player. Average at point of attack bulk strength. More finesse in run game than push and drive. Gives the Redskins an athlete that can pass protect and move his feet with experience and solid stater ability. But he can be challenged with anchor and can have some trouble at times with stunts and twists in space.

And that last part was a common theme in the conversations I've had this morning. Brown's a good player, but when he has to make "sudden" decisions, he's prone to mistakes. As we talked about Sunday, though, he's definitely an upgrade for the Skins' offense line if he's healthy.

Keim, and some others, have said similar things. He's athletic and mobile and good in space. In other words, he fits the scheme.

 

[Dexter Manley]

And I really like the trade for Brown. They're basically just dropping 2 rounds in the draft for a quality starting tackle who can play either side.

 

[buster c]

And I really like the trade for Brown. They're basically just dropping 2 rounds in the draft for a quality starting tackle who can play either side.

I'm in with the trade, yet as to why the Saints would trade him for what seems to be below-market compensation.perhaps his contract is coming up and they didn't want to pay him?

 

[Dexter Manley]

And I really like the trade for Brown. They're basically just dropping 2 rounds in the draft for a quality starting tackle who can play either side.

I'm in with the trade, yet as to why the Saints would trade him for what seems to be below-market compensation.perhaps his contract is coming up and they didn't want to pay him?

Thats my guess. I know Brown wants a new longterm deal that he wasn't going to get with the Saints. This move saves them over $3 million.Also, they just cut Bobby McCray who started at DE for them in the playoffs last year, and was a very solid backup DE who could play either side. And his contract was only $2 million and change. The Saints are looking to save $$$.The most telling thing to me is that no one outbid the Skins for Brown. The guy is a probowl LT and is reportedly now 100% healthy. He said he could of played during the playoffs if it was allowed. It seems to me that just about every team outside of the Skins is in full blown save $$$$ mode.

 

[Warrior]

And I really like the trade for Brown. They're basically just dropping 2 rounds in the draft for a quality starting tackle who can play either side.

I'm in with the trade, yet as to why the Saints would trade him for what seems to be below-market compensation.perhaps his contract is coming up and they didn't want to pay him?

Yep, and he wanted out of town. Check the earlier posts, they pretty much had to trade him.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Redskins' Rinehart found guilty of public intoxication

Posted by Michael David Smith on June 22, 2010 2:59 PM ET

Redskins guard Chad Rinehart has been found guilty of public intoxication in Cedar Falls, Iowa.

Rinehart, who was arrested in January, has already paid the $195 in fines and surcharges as ordered by the judge who heard Rinehart's trial.

Rinehart was arrested outside Mojo's Pizza House after he set off an alarm by yanking on the establishment's door at 2 a.m., when it was closed. An officer said Rinehart had trouble locating his ID, smelled of alcohol, slurred his words and refused a breath test, and that he was loud and uncooperative.

Rinehart started four games for the Redskins in 2009

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...c-intoxication/

 

[fatness]

Redskins' Rinehart found guilty of public intoxication

Posted by Michael David Smith on June 22, 2010 2:59 PM ET

Redskins guard Chad Rinehart has been found guilty of public intoxication in Cedar Falls, Iowa.

Rinehart, who was arrested in January, has already paid the $195 in fines and surcharges as ordered by the judge who heard Rinehart's trial.

Rinehart was arrested outside Mojo's Pizza House after he set off an alarm by yanking on the establishment's door at 2 a.m., when it was closed. An officer said Rinehart had trouble locating his ID, smelled of alcohol, slurred his words and refused a breath test, and that he was loud and uncooperative.

Rinehart started four games for the Redskins in 2009

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...c-intoxication/

I wonder what buster will call this guy.

 

[fatness]

OK folks. What's the best plan for the Redskins to deal with Haynesworth? Time to post what you think they should do, and how it benefits the team the most. If you're going to cite "making people feel good" as a benefit, perhaps you could supply some history about how other feel-good moves have benefited the team in the past.

I think Haynesworth's value in a trade would be highest after training camps open. Some other team will realize (either due to injury or talent deficiencies) that they need a very good 4-3 defensive tackle. Unfortunately, waiting that long to trade him can have 2 pretty bad downsides. One is that he'll not report to camp, in which case trading him will get lower value and the Redskins will waste time and effort trying to recoup part of his contract. They'd probably succeed in recovering some of the $21 million if he doesn't report to camp, but they won't get squat for him in a trade. The other possible downside of waiting until training camp to trade him is that he may report and be a huge distraction at camp. Shanahan and Allen are trying to build team cohesion and that would undermine it, in which case they'd send him home, go after his contract and not get squat in a trade. I think it's pretty certain that they'll trade him; I think they've already made that decision. If they had not, they would have told current players to tone down the criticism of Haynesworth in the press. Since they're not lifting a finger to stop the criticism, I think he's already gone in their mind. It's just a matter of when.Right now I think at best they'd get a 5th round pick for him. During training camp I think they might be able to get what they paid for Jamaal Brown --- trading up from 5th to 3rd. I think that would be the best outcome for the team -- wait until training camp, keep fingers crossed, trade him and a 5th for a 3rd, forget going after the contract, and be totally done with him. It would be equivalent to trading Haynesworth for Jamaal Brown. I think right now most of us would have made that trade; I would have. I do think the differences between Haynesworth on one side and Shanahan and Haslett are irreconcilable, given their personalities and events that have already happened. Moving up 3 rounds in the draft to recoup what we paid for Brown benefits the team more than letting Haynesworth sit out, or disrupt things. What a mess Dan and Vinnie made here. Time to clean it up and be done with it.

 

[fatness]

He never sat out though. Even though he was displeased he still came in and played.

There were years of dissension in the Ravens locker room based on offense vs. defense. Lewis was a big part of that.

FALSE

Apparently you didn't keep up with Ravens radio coverage during those years. 1300 AM reported it frequently in Baltimore.

 

[buster c]

He never sat out though. Even though he was displeased he still came in and played.

There were years of dissension in the Ravens locker room based on offense vs. defense. Lewis was a big part of that.

FALSE

Apparently you didn't keep up with Ravens radio coverage during those years. 1300 AM reported it frequently in Baltimore.

right, I'm not listening to AM1300. what I am doing is observing the leadership role Lewis has provided for almost 15 years, mentoring young men in and out of the locker room, and playing the best MLB for a constant playoff contender since Jack Lambert. Whatever Scott Garceau says on the radio doesn't carry much weight with me and the well-documented facts that I've just laid out.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Bank sues Albert Haynesworth $2.4 million for failure to make loan payments

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According to Scott Zucker of USA Today, this may not be the best time for Albert Haynesworth to be missing paychecks and paying fines.

Clayton Bank and Trust in Knoxville, Tenn. is suing the former Titans star defensive tackle for failing to make payments on a $2.38 million loan.

Haynesworth, who signed a $100 million deal with Redskins in March, has refused ro participate in OTA activities with the team,failed to show up for a mandatory minicamp, and has requested a trade.

The suit, filed last week, states that the loan was made last June, and despite an extension, Haynesworth has failed to make the necessary payments. The bank seeks more than $2.4 million including unpaid interest and late fees.

 

[buster c]

Redskins' Rinehart found guilty of public intoxication

Posted by Michael David Smith on June 22, 2010 2:59 PM ET

Redskins guard Chad Rinehart has been found guilty of public intoxication in Cedar Falls, Iowa.

Rinehart, who was arrested in January, has already paid the $195 in fines and surcharges as ordered by the judge who heard Rinehart's trial.

Rinehart was arrested outside Mojo's Pizza House after he set off an alarm by yanking on the establishment's door at 2 a.m., when it was closed. An officer said Rinehart had trouble locating his ID, smelled of alcohol, slurred his words and refused a breath test, and that he was loud and uncooperative.

Rinehart started four games for the Redskins in 2009

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...c-intoxication/

I wonder what buster will call this guy.

a future back-up guard for the Hamilton Ti-Cats

 

[thayman]

He never sat out though. Even though he was displeased he still came in and played.

There were years of dissension in the Ravens locker room based on offense vs. defense. Lewis was a big part of that. The Ravens are a team less than 50 miles from Washington. I'm surprised you guys know so little about them.

You are trying to compare apples and oranges. Haynesworth does not equal Lewis.

 

[thayman]

OK folks. What's the best plan for the Redskins to deal with Haynesworth? Time to post what you think they should do, and how it benefits the team the most. If you're going to cite "making people feel good" as a benefit, perhaps you could supply some history about how other feel-good moves have benefited the team in the past.

I think Haynesworth's value in a trade would be highest after training camps open. Some other team will realize (either due to injury or talent deficiencies) that they need a very good 4-3 defensive tackle. Unfortunately, waiting that long to trade him can have 2 pretty bad downsides. One is that he'll not report to camp, in which case trading him will get lower value and the Redskins will waste time and effort trying to recoup part of his contract. They'd probably succeed in recovering some of the $21 million if he doesn't report to camp, but they won't get squat for him in a trade. The other possible downside of waiting until training camp to trade him is that he may report and be a huge distraction at camp. Shanahan and Allen are trying to build team cohesion and that would undermine it, in which case they'd send him home, go after his contract and not get squat in a trade. I think it's pretty certain that they'll trade him; I think they've already made that decision. If they had not, they would have told current players to tone down the criticism of Haynesworth in the press. Since they're not lifting a finger to stop the criticism, I think he's already gone in their mind. It's just a matter of when.Right now I think at best they'd get a 5th round pick for him. During training camp I think they might be able to get what they paid for Jamaal Brown --- trading up from 5th to 3rd. I think that would be the best outcome for the team -- wait until training camp, keep fingers crossed, trade him and a 5th for a 3rd, forget going after the contract, and be totally done with him. It would be equivalent to trading Haynesworth for Jamaal Brown. I think right now most of us would have made that trade; I would have. I do think the differences between Haynesworth on one side and Shanahan and Haslett are irreconcilable, given their personalities and events that have already happened. Moving up 3 rounds in the draft to recoup what we paid for Brown benefits the team more than letting Haynesworth sit out, or disrupt things. What a mess Dan and Vinnie made here. Time to clean it up and be done with it.

In theory I agree with you. But to trade him sets such a horrid example that I think they have to Keyshawn him.

 

[Sebowski]

OK folks. What's the best plan for the Redskins to deal with Haynesworth? Time to post what you think they should do, and how it benefits the team the most. If you're going to cite "making people feel good" as a benefit, perhaps you could supply some history about how other feel-good moves have benefited the team in the past.

I'm with Buster on this one. They must break him.

This is bigger than the Redskins and Haynesworth, I am not much of precedent guy, but if there ever was a time to set one, as Huey Lewis would say, "this is it". If I were Vincent Jackson, or Chris Johnson, or anyone else trying to get paid right now I would be pissed at Haynesworth. He was creatively paid good money for future services and is bailing out on his deal. No team will ever want to guarantee front money like that agian. It could have been a win-win. "We'll pay you now extra money in a no-cap year for later cheaper years." Win-win. Unless this turdbag acts the turdbag. Call his bluff. Send him a flat screen to watch from home. Let him play if he'll fall in, or suspend him if he won't. he got his check. He should have to earn it one way or another. He said he wanted to be compared to Reggie White... Good luck with that turdbag. TO called, and he said you're a terrible teammate.

 

[fatness]

In theory I agree with you. But to trade him sets such a horrid example that I think they have to Keyshawn him.

I think it sets a great example for the team. "The guy was unhappy, wouldn't perform, so we improved the team with a better draft pick and got rid of him. He's gone, we're better off. "

 

[fatness]

You are trying to compare apples and oranges. Haynesworth does not equal Lewis.

I'm not comparing them at all. I'm saying that it was openly talked about that the defense was irate about the offense, that they said so constantly in the locker toom (and sometimes to the press, off the record), and that Ray Lewis was part of it. And there's that murder thing.

 

[fatness]

Offensive tackles

Left tackle

Starter: Trent Williams Confidence level: Medium

Backup: Stephon Heyer Confidence level: Low

Starter competition: None

2009 starters: Chris Samuels (5 games), Heyer (3), Levi Jones (8)

Right tackle

Starter: Jammal Brown Confidence level: High

Backup: William Robinson Confidence level: Very low

Starter competition: None

2009 starters: Heyer (13), Mike Williams (3)

In the mix: Selvish Capers, Clint Oldenburg

Outgoing: Jones was not resigned as an unrestricted free agent; Mike Williams has moved to guard

Incoming: Trent Williams drafted in first round (fourth overall), Selvish Capers drafted in the seventh round (231 overall), Artis Hicks signed as an unrestricted free agent, Brown acquired by trade.

Though Samuels was not quite showing his Pro Bowl form while he was in the lineup, he certainly was much better than what we saw at left tackle after he went out. In his three starts at left tackle, Stephon Heyer gave up four sacks, four hits, and five pressures.

It didn’t get much better when Levi Jones, signed off of the street in midseason, took over. In eight games, Jones gave up six sacks, 14 hits, and 18 pressures. Campbell would have had grounds to sue the Redskins for gross negligence.

Heyer was better on the right side although he still gave up four sacks and 25 pressures from there. Mike Williams--who started at right tackle the three games that Heyer moved over to the left side--demonstrated why he was unable to find work as an NFL tackle for three years by allowing three sacks in three games, and generally looking a full step too slow to handle even average defensive ends.

 

[dgreen]

I only caught a couple seconds of some audio of Cerrato talking about the Sherm Lewis hire last year. I think it was from a phone interview or something. Anyone hear that? Anyone know where to find that audio? It sounded hilarious.

ETA: This was on Andy and Steve yesterday.

 

[Warrior]

In theory I agree with you. But to trade him sets such a horrid example that I think they have to Keyshawn him.

I think it sets a great example for the team. "The guy was unhappy, wouldn't perform, so we improved the team with a better draft pick and got rid of him. He's gone, we're better off. "

"And if you'd like to take your money and run, we'll grant your wish as well. Just cash your huge bonus check, say you're not going to play, and we'll ship you somewhere else where you can get another big check"I agree that it helps the Redskins short-term, but it definitely doesn't set a good example in the long-term.

 

[Warrior]

In a statement, Albert Haynesworth said he will report to Redskins training camp on time, in shape and ready to play football.The disgruntled Haynesworth apparently got a stern talking to from someone, as today's statement is a complete turnaround from his actions over the last couple of weeks. "Despite my current differences with the Redskins, I have always planned to attend training camp and honor my contract," Haynesworth said. It's probably too late for Haynesworth to mend fences with his teammates, but showing some class could help spark a trade.

via Rotoworld/twitter

 

[fatness]

I don't think the players are nearly as interested in teaching Haynesworth a lesson as some fans are. The players want to play without distraction, which they haven't been able to do for years, and if Haynesworth is traded elsewhere I don't think any of the players will care 2 weeks later.

Besides saying he'll report to camp, Haynesworth also said that he won't make any more statements about it, and that he'll report in shape, on time, and ready to play football.

Rick Maese on Twitter.

In other news, Lawrence Taylor just got indicted for rape. Who wins a popularity poll in the DC area now: Haynesworth or Taylor?

 

[fatness]

I agree that it helps the Redskins short-term, but it definitely doesn't set a good example in the long-term.

I think the bad example, the one to not be followed any more, is "let's sign glamor free agents and promise them what they want!" There's been far too much of that. Remember Randle El last year, and why none of us could figure out why he was still returning punts? Zorn was going to replace him and suddenly "changed his mind" --- in other words he was overruled by the front office because of their promise to Randle El about returning punts.

 

[Warrior]

I agree that it helps the Redskins short-term, but it definitely doesn't set a good example in the long-term.

I think the bad example, the one to not be followed any more, is "let's sign glamor free agents and promise them what they want!" There's been far too much of that. Remember Randle El last year, and why none of us could figure out why he was still returning punts? Zorn was going to replace him and suddenly "changed his mind" --- in other words he was overruled by the front office because of their promise to Randle El about returning punts.

Hopefully they didn't promise McNabb anything..

 

[Sebowski]

I agree that it helps the Redskins short-term, but it definitely doesn't set a good example in the long-term.

I think the bad example, the one to not be followed any more, is "let's sign glamor free agents and promise them what they want!" There's been far too much of that. Remember Randle El last year, and why none of us could figure out why he was still returning punts? Zorn was going to replace him and suddenly "changed his mind" --- in other words he was overruled by the front office because of their promise to Randle El about returning punts.

Pure and utter speculation. Do you write for the Post?

 

[buster c]

You are trying to compare apples and oranges. Haynesworth does not equal Lewis.

And there's that murder thing.

Okay, I know I’m belaboring this point, but fatty seems to have an equally difficult time in letting things go as I do. At least we’re not calling each other names yet.

It seems to me, Fat Man, that if you’re going to call Ray Lewis a murderer and equate him to OJ, then you probably need to include Sean Taylor in this company, too. I see that you quote him in your signature – do you think he led his life at a higher level of humanity then Lewis? Which act is more criminal: firing a loaded weapon at a car/home, not knowing if an innocent victim is about to lose their life, or chillin' with a dozen of your boys in the back of a stretch limo when two of them get out and start beating on somebody who probably deserved the beat-down? From Lewis’ perspective, he did not know somebody was going to be killed. But when you fire a gun, you have to know that’s a possibility.

Just as we all were (barely) starting to see Taylor mature as a man (more hoping then anything else), Lewis has come to a point where he serves the community he lives in and acts as a mentor for young men everywhere - teammates and others. He's had zero run-ins with the law since that night in ATL. I hear Lewis say things like 'money isn't the root of all evil, it's the worship of money...' - I mean, what athlete says stuff like this?

 

[fatness]

I agree that it helps the Redskins short-term, but it definitely doesn't set a good example in the long-term.

I think the bad example, the one to not be followed any more, is "let's sign glamor free agents and promise them what they want!" There's been far too much of that. Remember Randle El last year, and why none of us could figure out why he was still returning punts? Zorn was going to replace him and suddenly "changed his mind" --- in other words he was overruled by the front office because of their promise to Randle El about returning punts.

Pure and utter speculation. Do you write for the Post?

You said that last year, Sebowski. Then Vinnie quit and suddenly Randle El did not return any more punts.

 

[fatness]

Which act is more criminal: firing a loaded weapon at a car/home, not knowing if an innocent victim is about to lose their life, or chillin' with a dozen of your boys in the back of a stretch limo when two of them get out and start beating on somebody who probably deserved the beat-down?

"Beating on somebody who probably deserved a beatdown."The man was murdered, buster.

And the only person saying Sean Taylor shot at a house is the DJ who was also a prosecutor and who was dismissed.

The trial was again postponed on April 17, 2006 (to May 8, 2006), after the prosecutor in the case asked the presiding judge to be removed from the case. The County prosecutor's request for removal from the case came as Taylor's defense lawyers argued that the prosecutor was using the case to promote his side-work as a disc jockey in South Beach. Defense lawyers for Taylor entered a motion for the case's complete dismissal, due to prosecutorial misconduct.[25]

On May 8, 2006, the prosecution requested and received another extension of the case, citing the new prosecutor assigned to the case and a need for additional preparation time. The trial was scheduled to begin July 10, 2006 in Miami but on June 2, 2006 the charges against Taylor were dropped as part of a negotiated plea bargain. Taylor donated his time to various charities and made $1,000 donations to 10 southern Florida schools in scholarships and, in exchange, would avoid jail time and a felony record.

One of a million links

 

[fatness]

The Redskins largely created this mess, but that doesn't mean there's no way out.

Link to video

 

[fatness]

"They weren't involved in calling plays, but I was giving you an example of how close ownership was to the whole coaching idea," Randle El said. "It was almost like they were involved too much. (Note: Almost? - ed.)

"It was just hard," he continued. "It was tough. And that's what made it tough as players. We had so much selfishness last year. It wasn't just because of the players, it was because the coaches, Zorn and Sherm, they really couldn't do what they wanted to do because management was involved.

Antwaan Randle El

 

[buster c]

Which act is more criminal: firing a loaded weapon at a car/home, not knowing if an innocent victim is about to lose their life, or chillin' with a dozen of your boys in the back of a stretch limo when two of them get out and start beating on somebody who probably deserved the beat-down?

"Beating on somebody who probably deserved a beatdown."The man was murdered, buster.

And the only person saying Sean Taylor shot at a house is the DJ who was also a prosecutor and who was dismissed.

The trial was again postponed on April 17, 2006 (to May 8, 2006), after the prosecutor in the case asked the presiding judge to be removed from the case. The County prosecutor's request for removal from the case came as Taylor's defense lawyers argued that the prosecutor was using the case to promote his side-work as a disc jockey in South Beach. Defense lawyers for Taylor entered a motion for the case's complete dismissal, due to prosecutorial misconduct.[25]

On May 8, 2006, the prosecution requested and received another extension of the case, citing the new prosecutor assigned to the case and a need for additional preparation time. The trial was scheduled to begin July 10, 2006 in Miami but on June 2, 2006 the charges against Taylor were dropped as part of a negotiated plea bargain. Taylor donated his time to various charities and made $1,000 donations to 10 southern Florida schools in scholarships and, in exchange, would avoid jail time and a felony record.

One of a million links

very naive to not understand each scenario. But being a fat sumo wrestler, I shouldn't expect you to understand how the street works. and the dj was definitely not the only one to make these claims - he simply was discredited. that doesn't automatically make what he said untrue.

 

[Warrior]

The Redskins largely created this mess, but that doesn't mean there's no way out.

Link to video

Looks like the dude in the video agrees with me about releasing Fat Albert being a short-term decision, with the right long-term choice being not to give in and fold to his demands...

short term, get rid of him. Long term, make an example of him

-reporter in the video

 

[Bizkiteer]

Anyone notice the role reversal here? It used to be...Buster said something, everyone chimed in against what he said or gave the other side of the coin. Now, Fatty has taken over and he seems to have taken the "stir the pot" seat, which then everyone chimes in against him. Very interesting!!!

 

[Sebowski]

I agree that it helps the Redskins short-term, but it definitely doesn't set a good example in the long-term.

I think the bad example, the one to not be followed any more, is "let's sign glamor free agents and promise them what they want!" There's been far too much of that. Remember Randle El last year, and why none of us could figure out why he was still returning punts? Zorn was going to replace him and suddenly "changed his mind" --- in other words he was overruled by the front office because of their promise to Randle El about returning punts.

Pure and utter speculation. Do you write for the Post?

You said that last year, Sebowski. Then Vinnie quit and suddenly Randle El did not return any more punts.

El stopped returning punts the week before Cerrato left and then returned them again the last week. Either Zorn or Danny Smith is to blame for El returning so many punts. It is ridiculous to say that managment stepped in and demanded playing time because they were getting paid more. If that were the case Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd would have started all year a few years ago.

 

[Marvelous]

From PFT:

Haynesworth's lawsuits keep piling up

Posted by Mike Florio on June 24, 2010 7:17 AM ET

Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth has found himself on the wrong side of more than a few lawsuits. Most recently, a bank sued him for failing to make payments on a $2.38 million loan he took out in June 2009 -- only three months after signing a deal with a practical value of four years, $48 million. He also faces a lawsuit from a man seriously injured in an accident allegedly caused by Haynesworth, who allegedly was driving too fast. He's also battling with his ex-wife over health insurance and child support.

Then there's the $100 million paternity suit filed by an exotic dancer in New York.

A reader has tipped us off to another lawsuit involving Haynesworth. It possibly arises out of a group known as Crestview Townhomes, LLC. A pending lawsuit that had a court hearing on Wednesday includes Haynesworth and Bryan Puckett, two members of the Crestview Townhomes organization, and CP Construction, LLC. The plaintiff in the case is a company known as Dale and Associates, a Nashville engineering firm.

There's another lawsuit filed only against Haynesworth by Dale and Associates, which also went to court on Wednesday.

We've yet to track down any details regarding these cases. But we've got a feeling that the claims generally arise from Haynesworth and/or the other defendants owing money, and not paying the money.

I actually think Fat Albert is all about the money. And all these lawsuits and potential lawsuits only reinforces my opinion.That also means that Haynesworth will most likely show up for training camp and fall in line. Of course, he may do the minimum to ensoure that he keeps the $21M bonus and his previous signing bonuses. If he gets advise that he can miss training camp and his bonuses are not a risk, then he may skip part of training camp.

 

[buster c]

Anyone notice the role reversal here? It used to be...Buster said something, everyone chimed in against what he said or gave the other side of the coin. Now, Fatty has taken over and he seems to have taken the "stir the pot" seat, which then everyone chimes in against him. Very interesting!!!

biz, I'm trying my best to maybe I'm drinking too much kool-aid now that and #17 are no longer filling me with dread

 

[nittanylion]

I agree that it helps the Redskins short-term, but it definitely doesn't set a good example in the long-term.

I think the bad example, the one to not be followed any more, is "let's sign glamor free agents and promise them what they want!" There's been far too much of that. Remember Randle El last year, and why none of us could figure out why he was still returning punts? Zorn was going to replace him and suddenly "changed his mind" --- in other words he was overruled by the front office because of their promise to Randle El about returning punts.

Pure and utter speculation. Do you write for the Post?

You said that last year, Sebowski. Then Vinnie quit and suddenly Randle El did not return any more punts.

El stopped returning punts the week before Cerrato left and then returned them again the last week. Either Zorn or Danny Smith is to blame for El returning so many punts. It is ridiculous to say that managment stepped in and demanded playing time because they were getting paid more. If that were the case Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd would have started all year a few years ago.

Sebo, I've tried to explain many times over how upside down and backwards the Redskins were operating under Snyder and Cerrato, based on actual conversations I've had with acquaintences, some of who have evolved into friends, who work for the Team both on the Office side, and in the Locker Room. That includes Managers, Staff, Coaches and Players.You can choose to believe that some things that sound ridiculous to you actually are, but in the case of the Redskins over the last decade, the truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction. Again, I will not violate the privacy of my sources by naming names, but on more than one occasion, things I've related to you that sounded strange have been proven out.Antwaan Randle-El's punt return saga was 100% a Front Office influenced and determined situation, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.I'm going to try to find the time to post about Haynesworth later tonight.

 

[fatness]

Antwaan Randle-El's punt return saga was 100% a Front Office influenced and determined situation, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

Thanks nittany. People here forget that we were discussing this openly in last year's regular season thread. Randle El wasn't removed from punt return duties earlier because management wouldn't let Zorn do it. Zorn even said he was going to take away some or all of that responsibility from Randle El, and then whoops, later in the week he was explaining how he didn't really say that or mean that. The front office stopped him, and any idiot could see that.

 

[fatness]

Anyone notice the role reversal here? It used to be...Buster said something, everyone chimed in against what he said or gave the other side of the coin. Now, Fatty has taken over and he seems to have taken the "stir the pot" seat, which then everyone chimes in against him. Very interesting!!!

It's my job and I do it well. Too many people here right now confusing their personal feelings (about Haynesworth) with what an actual NFL team should do. If they make him sit all year to "break him", the only message other players on the team will get is that the front office hasn't changed, the team hasn't changed, and that football decisions are still made by the front office for for non-football reasons.I've had enough of that ####.I don't like Haynesworth. But he isn't worth harming the team over. If he comes to camp and is a problem just trade him or cut him and be done with it, and forget the silly-girl regrets about money already paid to him. Get on with playing football like a professional team --- players, coaches, and front office.

 

[fatness]

The woman bringing drugs to Santana Moss has pleaded guilty to reduced charges in exchange for her cooperation in the investigation.

Prosecutors filed the reduced charge of lying to agents last month; Catalano at first told the agents that Galea had asked to to bring the drugs and medical equipment to the United States for use at a medical conference.

Catalano later told investigators that Galea intended to use the drugs to treat a pro athlete in Washington, whom the Washington Post has identified as Redskins wide receiver Santana Moss.

 

[Sebowski]

Anyone notice the role reversal here? It used to be...Buster said something, everyone chimed in against what he said or gave the other side of the coin. Now, Fatty has taken over and he seems to have taken the "stir the pot" seat, which then everyone chimes in against him. Very interesting!!!

It's my job and I do it well. Too many people here right now confusing their personal feelings (about Haynesworth) with what an actual NFL team should do. If they make him sit all year to "break him", the only message other players on the team will get is that the front office hasn't changed, the team hasn't changed, and that football decisions are still made by the front office for for non-football reasons.I've had enough of that ####.I don't like Haynesworth. But he isn't worth harming the team over. If he comes to camp and is a problem just trade him or cut him and be done with it, and forget the silly-girl regrets about money already paid to him. Get on with playing football like a professional team --- players, coaches, and front office.

I just don't see the harm of forcing him to fulfill his contract, and I see a terrible precedent being set if we cut him or give him away after telling him explicitly he had until he cashed that check to find a new team. I think the media blows up "distractions". They create them and they need them to talk about. To the players it's just answering questions. I hope answering questions on Wednesdays doesn't affect how they play on Sundays. And if Haynesworth is a distraction during practice, suspend him.

 

[fatness]

Someone apparently made a fake Albert Haynesworth identity on Twitter,

"bored in tennessee. just thought i would made a twitter page."

Chris Mortensen sent a message to the account, and suddenly it disappeared. Link

 

[fatness]

I just don't see the harm of forcing him to fulfill his contract, and I see a terrible precedent being set if we cut him or give him away after telling him explicitly he had until he cashed that check to find a new team.

The problem is, there's no way to force a player to play to the best of their ability. When players won't do that they get cut, like Lendale White did recently. Haynesworth's money for this year and beyond is no longer guaranteed (by skipping a mandatory minicamp he gave that up), so they can cut him at little or no cost. The message sent by that would be "we don't tolerate shirking around here any more." That's a good message to send. So if he shows up and plays hard, great. And if he doesn't, cut him and send a message.edited to add: What the Redskins told Haynesworth in March or April about finding a new team before they wrote the check did not change anything at all about his contract. They were obligated to pay him the money if they wanted to keep him.

 

[fatness]

Marko Mitchell has been released by the Lions.

 

[Warrior]

I just don't see the harm of forcing him to fulfill his contract, and I see a terrible precedent being set if we cut him or give him away after telling him explicitly he had until he cashed that check to find a new team.

The problem is, there's no way to force a player to play to the best of their ability. When players won't do that they get cut, like Lendale White did recently. Haynesworth's money for this year and beyond is no longer guaranteed (by skipping a mandatory minicamp he gave that up), so they can cut him at little or no cost. The message sent by that would be "we don't tolerate shirking around here any more." That's a good message to send. So if he shows up and plays hard, great. And if he doesn't, cut him and send a message.

edited to add: What the Redskins told Haynesworth in March or April about finding a new team before they wrote the check did not change anything at all about his contract. They were obligated to pay him the money if they wanted to keep him.

Once again, this message would be "We do tolerate shirking around here. Do it, and you can get your way"You seem to be forgetting that Albert WANTS to be cut. Cutting him is giving him what he wants. If other players want to be cut after being paid a huge bonus, all they will have to do is follow suit and whine, complain, quit, etc. until they get cut and can go to another team for another fat paycheck as well.

 

[Warrior]

Anyone notice the role reversal here? It used to be...Buster said something, everyone chimed in against what he said or gave the other side of the coin. Now, Fatty has taken over and he seems to have taken the "stir the pot" seat, which then everyone chimes in against him. Very interesting!!!

It's my job and I do it well. Too many people here right now confusing their personal feelings (about Haynesworth) with what an actual NFL team should do. If they make him sit all year to "break him", the only message other players on the team will get is that the front office hasn't changed, the team hasn't changed, and that football decisions are still made by the front office for for non-football reasons.

I've had enough of that ####.

I don't like Haynesworth. But he isn't worth harming the team over. If he comes to camp and is a problem just trade him or cut him and be done with it, and forget the silly-girl regrets about money already paid to him. Get on with playing football like a professional team --- players, coaches, and front office.

I think that's exactly what you're doing. You don't want to have to deal with Haynesworth as a fan, and you just want him to go away, instead of looking at the long term effects of giving a malcontent everything he wants just to get him out of your sight.In fact, the only message that cutting him would send to other players is that they will roll over and give in to a player's demands (to be paid, then cut/traded and sign another big deal) if they become a malcontent.

Clearly, the message that needs to be sent here is "play as a team, or don't play at all. Whining about your role won't get us to give in to your selfish demands"

Might as well drop this, as it's sort of a dividing issue and nobody is going to change their opinions on the matter it seems.

You're entitled to your opinion, especially since you keep this thread alive with awesome news updates all the time

 

[Lake Titicaca]

Marko Mitchell has been released by the Lions.

Obviously they were blind to his startling talent too...