***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (2 Viewers)

[thayman]

Just an example of the amazing atmosphere that used to be an integral part of Redskins games.

It would be great if that atmosphere came back some day. An owner and fans that seemed to like each other. A very good front office. A very good coach. Few stars, lots of team effort, many players playing above their ability because they were really into being a part of a good scheme. I'm still hopeful.

A stadium that is more fan friendly would help too. Having the Redskins play a game back in RFK would demonstrate just how awful a stadium FedEx is.

####### do I hate the FedEx field experience. Last two times I went (2 and 3 years ago) the tickets were free and I was still irritated.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Mike Williams likely out for the season:

Veteran Washington Redskins offensive lineman Mike Williams, who overcame weight problems to become a valuable member of the unit in his first season with the team, is expected to miss the 2010 season because of blood clots near his heart, two people familiar with the situation said late Friday night.

The loss of Williams would be a significant blow to an offensive line in transition in the Redskins' first season under Shanahan, who also is the head of the team's football operation. Considered a bust as a tackle after being drafted in the first round by the Buffalo Bills, Williams resurrected his career after being moved to guard with the Redskins last season.

Williams, 30, has a promising future in the league as a guard, Shanahan said shortly after taking control of the organization. The former University of Texas all-American was expected to compete with newcomer Artis Hicks at right guard, and probably would have played considerably even if he filled a reserve role.

 

[southeastjerome]

Mike Williams likely out for the season:

Veteran Washington Redskins offensive lineman Mike Williams, who overcame weight problems to become a valuable member of the unit in his first season with the team, is expected to miss the 2010 season because of blood clots near his heart, two people familiar with the situation said late Friday night.

The loss of Williams would be a significant blow to an offensive line in transition in the Redskins' first season under Shanahan, who also is the head of the team's football operation. Considered a bust as a tackle after being drafted in the first round by the Buffalo Bills, Williams resurrected his career after being moved to guard with the Redskins last season.

Williams, 30, has a promising future in the league as a guard, Shanahan said shortly after taking control of the organization. The former University of Texas all-American was expected to compete with newcomer Artis Hicks at right guard, and probably would have played considerably even if he filled a reserve role.

Sad end to an admirable comeback. Still, I think Williams has a lot to be proud of as he proved many doubters wrong. I was really looking forward to seeing him play this year. Still, I don't know that he would have beat out Hicks. Though its just another blow to the depth of the oline.

 

[southeastjerome]

Just picked up 2010 FOA and I was surprised to see that Justin Tryon is #5 on their famed prospect list.

5. Justin Tryon, CB, RedskinsIt’s hard to make much of an impact in the Washingtonsecondary. Over the past few years, no team hasdedicated more resources to the defensive backfield —both draft picks and free agent cash — than the Redskins.And yet, while DeAngelo Hall allows countlesscompletions and LaRon Landry overruns play afterplay, the team unearths a bona fide starting corner inthe fourth round of the 2008 draft. Tryon only startedtwo games during his second year in the league, but heplayed like he belonged in the Millionaires’ Club. Heallowed 5.8 adjusted yards per attempt, nearly a halfyardbetter than any other Redskins corner. Despitespending time in the slot, Tryon didn’t allow receiversto get open deep; passes at him were only thrown anaverage of 7.8 yards away from the line of scrimmage,the lowest figure — by far — among Redskins corners.He took Fred Smoot’s job away during the year,and while he has to beat out Phillip Buchanon for thenickel job in camp (spoiler: he will), he may very wellhave Carlos Rogers’s starting job in his back pocketby the end of the season.

 

[fatness]

That's really lousy news about Mike Williams. You really have to admire his effort at a comeback --- he stuck to it through adversity and was getting somewhere. I hope he's OK. "Blood clots near his heart" sounds pretty dangerous.

 

[fatness]

Just picked up 2010 FOA and I was surprised to see that Justin Tryon is #5 on their famed prospect list.

That sounds good about Tryon. As a rookie he started out with a lot of confidence, a bit of a big mouth, and getting beaten repeatedly. Sounds like he's been putting in the work and has been improving.

 

[fatness]

Football Outsiders predicts the Redskins for 9.2 wins, 2nd in the NFC East behind the Eagles.

ESPN predicts they'll be 4-12, the only NFC East team under .500.

Dallas Morning News predicts the Skins for last place in the division.

 

[Sebowski]

Saw a headline somewhere that said :

Vincent Jackson practically a Redskin"

Said it would be for a 2nd.

Discuss...

 

[fatness]

Adam Schein says it's practically a done deal for a second round trade pick. That would leave the Redskins with practically nothing to do after the first round of the 2011 NFL Draft. A third or fourth round pick goes to the Eagles for McNabb. The remainder of the two goes to the Saints for T. Jamaal Brown.

Any deal for Jackson should make the Skins more open to a second or third round draft pick in exchange for Albert Haynesworth.

Link

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Adam Schein says it's practically a done deal for a second round trade pick. That would leave the Redskins with practically nothing to do after the first round of the 2011 NFL Draft. A third or fourth round pick goes to the Eagles for McNabb. The remainder of the two goes to the Saints for T. Jamaal Brown.

Any deal for Jackson should make the Skins more open to a second or third round draft pick in exchange for Albert Haynesworth.

Link

Wash is one of the better landing spots got Jackson. A decent qb, owner willing to spend, and a good coaching staff.

 

[simmonjm]

Wow its amazing what a good coach and GM can do for a franchise in such a short time. The Redskins offense is actually coming together quite nicely. As always this division will be tough as nails.

 

[Lake Titicaca]

Wow its amazing what a good coach and GM can do for a franchise in such a short time. The Redskins offense is actually coming together quite nicely. As always this division will be tough as nails.

I still don't see this offense going anywhere with that o-line. At best, if everything breaks right for that line this year, they're average. I expect them to be worse than that. It helps that they can have a credible 2-TE set as their base, but they've still got older RB's and below-average WR's unless they get Jackson. McNabb is better than Campbell but at this point in their careers Campbell is more mobile which again is of great concern with that line. Also, Haynesworth is a huge key to that defense which of course is brand new to that team, and they'll be significantly worse as a defense if he's not there. I'm not sold on the defensive secondary as a group, and the LB's look ill-suited for this scheme, even ignoring that several of these "LB's" are actually DL's they're awkwardly converting to LB's.

That's a lot of variables. As usual, this team rarely outright sucks (i.e. isn't even competitive and is on course for <6 wins) but you just can't see them putting up more than 9 wins under the best of circumstances.

 

[fatness]

Small update on Mike Williams

Though Williams didn't get into many details, he confirmed that he won't play in 2010, but he added, "I'm not dead."

He vowed to return, if/when he obtains "100 percent" clearance from doctors. Williams insists that his weight isn't a factor regarding his condition, and that he's in "great shape" for an NFL guard.

 

[fatness]

Wow its amazing what a good coach and GM can do for a franchise in such a short time. The Redskins offense is actually coming together quite nicely. As always this division will be tough as nails.

I still don't see this offense going anywhere with that o-line. At best, if everything breaks right for that line this year, they're average. I expect them to be worse than that. It helps that they can have a credible 2-TE set as their base, but they've still got older RB's and below-average WR's unless they get Jackson. McNabb is better than Campbell but at this point in their careers Campbell is more mobile which again is of great concern with that line. Also, Haynesworth is a huge key to that defense which of course is brand new to that team, and they'll be significantly worse as a defense if he's not there. I'm not sold on the defensive secondary as a group, and the LB's look ill-suited for this scheme, even ignoring that several of these "LB's" are actually DL's they're awkwardly converting to LB's.

That's a lot of variables. As usual, this team rarely outright sucks (i.e. isn't even competitive and is on course for <6 wins) but you just can't see them putting up more than 9 wins under the best of circumstances.

I pretty much agree with all of that. With average breaks and injuries, without Haynesworth I think they're looking at 6 wins this year.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Adam Schein says it's practically a done deal for a second round trade pick. That would leave the Redskins with practically nothing to do after the first round of the 2011 NFL Draft. A third or fourth round pick goes to the Eagles for McNabb. The remainder of the two goes to the Saints for T. Jamaal Brown.

Any deal for Jackson should make the Skins more open to a second or third round draft pick in exchange for Albert Haynesworth.

Link

anyone hear an update on this or is it assumed that nothing will happen until the opening of training camp?

 

[southeastjerome]

Adam Schein says it's practically a done deal for a second round trade pick. That would leave the Redskins with practically nothing to do after the first round of the 2011 NFL Draft. A third or fourth round pick goes to the Eagles for McNabb. The remainder of the two goes to the Saints for T. Jamaal Brown.

Any deal for Jackson should make the Skins more open to a second or third round draft pick in exchange for Albert Haynesworth.

Link

anyone hear an update on this or is it assumed that nothing will happen until the opening of training camp?

I haven't read anything else on this. No one else is reporting it and in fact and I read all of Shein's articles on foxsports.com and I found no mention of it. I also see nothing of this at extremeskins.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Quick question.

My brother is a huge Colts fan. So i am bringing him to Redskins Colts in DC. It would make his lifetime if he could meet some players(particularly Peyton Manning).

Is this even possible? Is there a place where before or after the games they sign autographs?

 

[fatness]

Adam Schein says it's practically a done deal for a second round trade pick. That would leave the Redskins with practically nothing to do after the first round of the 2011 NFL Draft. A third or fourth round pick goes to the Eagles for McNabb. The remainder of the two goes to the Saints for T. Jamaal Brown.

Any deal for Jackson should make the Skins more open to a second or third round draft pick in exchange for Albert Haynesworth.

Link

anyone hear an update on this or is it assumed that nothing will happen until the opening of training camp?

I've read absolutely nothing locally about it. Of course, we've read nothing locally about several other moves the Redskins have made. The front office is very good at disguising what they're going to do now.

 

[fatness]

Good grief. I just found a site with about a million Redskins news links: Here

 

[dehaven123]

Good grief. I just found a site with about a million Redskins news links: Here

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[fatness]

Chris Horton vs. Reed Doughty, strong safety

Doughty is the returning starter, but he broke his hand in OTAs. Horton is a seventh-round find who started 15 of 22 games in his career but who comes off a toe injury that short-circuited his 2009 season. The two have been in this position before. In fact, a year ago it was Horton vs. Doughty, with Doughty the winner after returning from a back injury that cut his 2008 season short. Doughty looks like the frontrunner again except that Horton has been warning anyone who listens that he'll be tough to beat if he's healthy. Maybe. But he wasn't healthy a year ago, and he's trying to impress a new head coach. Furthermore, he's trying to beat out the team's third-leading tackler -- with Doughty producing 10 of his 93 stops in a November defeat of Denver. OK, so Mike Shanahan wasn't coaching the Broncos. He was living in Denver and couldn't have missed Doughty's performance. Doughty is a smart, disciplined player who doesn't miss tackles and rarely blows an assignment. Granted, he's not the most athletic player, but he's one of the most dependable. And he's tough. When he broke his hand in OTAs he had the Redskins put a cast on it and continued to play. Now that will get a coach's attention. With the Redskins going to a 3-4 defense Doughty's ability as a sure tackler should enhance his chances to start.

Edge: Doughty. It's hard to argue with last year's results.

Opening day starter: Doughty.

link

 

[southeastjerome]

Good grief. I just found a site with about a million Redskins news links: Here

 

[fatness]

Fredericksburg.com 2-page article on an interview with Haynesworth's trainer.

Tripp Smith, Haynesworth's personal trainer, said in a phone interview yesterday that Haynesworth has lost 32 pounds since they began their workout regimen on April 5. He said that Haynesworth is committed to getting in top physical shape--albeit away from Redskins Park--for the start of training camp on July 29.

"I think he's going to open some eyes when he gets to camp," Smith said.

Smith, the 28-year-old son of Competitive Edge Sports founder Chip Smith, has lived upstairs in Haynesworth's home in Tennessee since the start of April. For more than the last three months, they have trained together four days a week for several hours a day.

When Haynesworth has visited other cities, such as Miami, Smith has accompanied him. Haynesworth and Smith have been apart for only 2 weeks since April, but Haynesworth maintained his routine even then, Smith said.

"I told him, 'If you show up and are playing like an animal, they're going to forget about the fact that you didn't go to a two-day minicamp or whatever happened aside from football,'" Smith said.

 

[fatness]

Redskins ranked 32nd in the league in young talent.

32. Washington Redskins

Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan have inherited a wasteland from Vinny Cerrato, who used his draft picks to acquire "has-beens" and "never-weres." As a result, the Redskins only have four "young" starters, and two of them (wideout Devin Thomas and safety LaRon Landry) have been professional flops. Outside linebacker Brian Orakpo was extremely effective last year, and rookie tackle Trent Williams should start on the left side from Day One. The only notable young players behind them are tight end Fred Davis and backup linebacker H.B. Blades.

 

[fatness]

Landry had toe surgery and is expected to be ready for camp. Link

 

[nittanylion]

Fredericksburg.com 2-page article on an interview with Haynesworth's trainer.

Tripp Smith, Haynesworth's personal trainer, said in a phone interview yesterday that Haynesworth has lost 32 pounds since they began their workout regimen on April 5. He said that Haynesworth is committed to getting in top physical shape--albeit away from Redskins Park--for the start of training camp on July 29.

"I think he's going to open some eyes when he gets to camp," Smith said.

Smith, the 28-year-old son of Competitive Edge Sports founder Chip Smith, has lived upstairs in Haynesworth's home in Tennessee since the start of April. For more than the last three months, they have trained together four days a week for several hours a day.

When Haynesworth has visited other cities, such as Miami, Smith has accompanied him. Haynesworth and Smith have been apart for only 2 weeks since April, but Haynesworth maintained his routine even then, Smith said.

"I told him, 'If you show up and are playing like an animal, they're going to forget about the fact that you didn't go to a two-day minicamp or whatever happened aside from football,'" Smith said.

I'm going to respectfully submit that the above statements are falsehoods - he may be down 30 Lbs or so, but I find it quite a stretch of the truth to say he's been working out since April 5...or that he's anywhere close to 'in football shape', nor will he be, considering when he likely started working out (around mid-June), and where he needs to be by the time Training Camp begins. Even if Fat Albert shows up for TC looking svelte, again, considering when he likely began his training regimen, and the 'quick fix' methods he likely will employ to get himself looking that way, it will likely be only 'window dressing' and will likely be to his long-term detriment. Here's the reasoning behind my opinionreviously, I mentioned that according to the people I know associated with the Redskins, the Team has had 'eyes' on him this entire offseason monitoring his activity and fitness level during his absence. He represents a massive investment on their part, and keeping tabs on him is just what any Team in the Redskins' position would do. During the whole OTA fiasco, I was informed that Haynesworth was grossly out of shape and not working out at all, and living a lifestyle quite contrary to anyone preparing for the grind of an NFL Season...if true, and I have no reason to believe it wasn't, then he wasn't involved in any sort of a weight-loss regimen or conditioning program in late Feb/early April, and not in May or early June either. About that time, somebody got through to Fat Albert and forced him to wake up and smell the coffee regarding his situation, and here we are with this spin coming from his agent and trainer...

I did my undergraduate study at Penn State, majoring in Nutrition and Exercise Physiology, and was involved with the Athletic Department, and through it, the Football Program in regards to Diet, Conditioning, and Injury Rehab. Although I'm now primarily employed as Professional Chef, I still have clients that I consult with on diet and exercise, and am involved in a local consortium of fitness professionals that includes folks that work/worked with, and for, the Redskins Organization. Based on my own experience and knowledge base, when you're dealing with a Haynesworth-type 'Athlete', who probably weighted close to 400 lbs at some point this summer, if we go on the assumption that he started getting in shape on or around the time he announced he'd be attending Training Camp (sometime in mid-to-late June), then it would be pretty easy to strip 32 lbs (less than 10% of his total body mass), which was probably around 35% Body Fat to begin with, in about 3 weeks, just by having him drink 1 Gallon of Water a day, reducing his simple carbohydrate intake and removing processed foods from his diet, and engaging him in light cardiovascular activity where his heart rate was slightly elevated for 20 minutes a day, along with regulating his sleep/wake patterns and mealtimes/frequency. Taking ~30 Lbs of fat off a naturally large, and grossly overweight human being is like chipping some cubes off an iceberg, in terms of how much closer it gets them from where they are to where they need to be. There remains an absolute mountain of work to do to get him in 'football shape', and it cannot be accomplished properly between the time he started, and the time Training Camp commences.

That's a far cry from being ready for Training Camp. As Haynesworth sheds the initial weight, it will require more work and energy to keep shedding fat weight, and improving cardiovascular conditioning and total body strength and endurance. To make healthy and sustained gains in fitness from the state he's in via a proper method, would require at least 3 months of work, but what he's doing now could best be described as 'cramming' for an exam. Right now he's trying to shift into high gear from a standstill with a cold engine. Marathon runners need time, and the NFL Season is a marathon. Training camp is right around the corner, and I'm going to put it out there that if Haynesworth is going to show up in Ashburn in 'ready to go' shape, having gotten this late a start on his conditioning program, he's going to have to engage some very radical methods to get to that point - the kind of methods that are going to put his body, and particularly his heart and lungs, in a stressed and pre-exhausted state as he enters the most intense part of NFL Offseason Training. There's a reason for the continuum that begins with OTA's, progresses to minicamps through Training Camp and into the PreSeason, and then the Regular Season - the incremental nature of the physical activity is critical to properly preparing for the gauntlet that is the regular Season. If my opinion turns out to be accurate, we are either headed towards an injury that prevents him from playing, or the Albert that took plays off or sat out series, quarters, halfs or even games at times in 2009.

I'll eat my due crow if I'm wrong, but in my opinion, in the grand scheme of things, this latest news about Fat Albert is nothing to get excited about, and I'm not intentionally trying to spin this in a bad light, I'm just trying to spell it out as 'it is what it is'...and it ain't much.

 

[fatness]

Previously, I mentioned that according to the people I know associated with the Redskins, the Team has had 'eyes' on him this entire offseason monitoring his activity and fitness level during his absence. He represents a massive investment on their part, and keeping tabs on him is just what any Team in the Redskins' position would do. During the whole OTA fiasco, I was informed that Haynesworth was grossly out of shape and not working out at all, and living a lifestyle quite contrary to anyone preparing for the grind of an NFL Season...if true, and I have no reason to believe it wasn't, then he wasn't involved in any sort of a weight-loss regimen or conditioning program in late Feb/early April, and not in May or early June either. About that time, somebody got through to Fat Albert and forced him to wake up and smell the coffee regarding his situation, and here we are with this spin coming from his agent and trainer..

No disrespect meant to you, but some talk from within the organization is true and some is not. I'm no more or less inclined to believe that than I am to believe the statements by Haynesworth's trainer. If you're talking directly to the guy who "supervised" him for months, that's one thing. Scuttlebut is quite another thing.

Based on my own experience and knowledge base, when you're dealing with a Haynesworth-type 'Athlete', who probably weighted close to 400 lbs at some point this summer, if we go on the assumption that he started getting in shape on or around the time he announced he'd be attending Training Camp (sometime in mid-to-late June), then it would be pretty easy to strip 32 lbs (less than 10% of his total body mass), which was probably around 35% Body Fat to begin with, in about 3 weeks, just by having him drink 1 Gallon of Water a day, reducing his simple carbohydrate intake and removing processed foods from his diet, and engaging him in light cardiovascular activity where his heart rate was slightly elevated for 20 minutes a day, along with regulating his sleep/wake patterns and mealtimes/frequency.

Last year his body fat at training camp was 22%. It was reported in multiple places. Here is one of them.

He flips the metal weight discs around as if they were poker chips and talks about how he was measured at 22-percent body fat by the Redskins recently, an absurdly low number for a man of his size. “I had the highest amount of lean-muscle mass on the team,” Haynesworth said.

If my opinion turns out to be accurate, we are either headed towards an injury that prevents him from playing, or the Albert that took plays off or sat out series, quarters, halfs or even games at times in 2009.

Haynesworth played more snaps than any defensive lineman on the team except Andre Carter last year.

 

[dgreen]

Quick question.My brother is a huge Colts fan. So i am bringing him to Redskins Colts in DC. It would make his lifetime if he could meet some players(particularly Peyton Manning).Is this even possible? Is there a place where before or after the games they sign autographs?

Not really. The best chance is probably to be there for the pre-warmup warmups when the players are still in shorts and t-shirts and there's pretty much nobody in the stadium. I guess it's possible they'll come over and sign something on their way in and out of the locker room.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Quick question.My brother is a huge Colts fan. So i am bringing him to Redskins Colts in DC. It would make his lifetime if he could meet some players(particularly Peyton Manning).Is this even possible? Is there a place where before or after the games they sign autographs?

Not really. The best chance is probably to be there for the pre-warmup warmups when the players are still in shorts and t-shirts and there's pretty much nobody in the stadium. I guess it's possible they'll come over and sign something on their way in and out of the locker room.

cool thanks. maybe we will go early and try to catch them coming in the locker room.

 

[fatness]

Pete Carroll (Seahawks head coach) might be interested in Haynesworth, if you read through all the gobbledy-####.

 

[fatness]

Jason Campbell was a steal for Oakland.

 

[fatness]

Larry Johnson didn't make the judge happy.

 

[Warrior]

Larry Johnson didn't make the judge happy.

That judge is a ########...

“Children who go to PAL don’t go there for art class,” Locascio said at the probation revocation hearing Friday. “The idea that you would draw pictures with kids who want to participate in athletics is absurd.

“If I knew you didn’t want to do sports with kids, I would have assigned you to pick up trash on the highway. That’s what we typically have defendants do.”

Johnson’s attorney, J.R. Hobbs, pointed out that Johnson provided a Thanksgiving dinner to 100 people at the PAL center, bought turkeys for an additional 100 families and bought $2,500 worth of Christmas presents for the kids.

 

[Light Blue Jesus]

Larry Johnson didn't make the judge happy.

That judge is a ########...

“Children who go to PAL don’t go there for art class,” Locascio said at the probation revocation hearing Friday. “The idea that you would draw pictures with kids who want to participate in athletics is absurd.

“If I knew you didn’t want to do sports with kids, I would have assigned you to pick up trash on the highway. That’s what we typically have defendants do.”

Johnson’s attorney, J.R. Hobbs, pointed out that Johnson provided a Thanksgiving dinner to 100 people at the PAL center, bought turkeys for an additional 100 families and bought $2,500 worth of Christmas presents for the kids.

Not quite sure the mindset where that's what you'd selectively pull out of the article completely out of context. The article laid out an objective look at all the ways LJ has still been a arrogant jerk and I can't figure out why you're trying to spin it.

 

[Chewbanks]

gobbledy-####.

@ the language filter

 

[fatness]

gobbledy-####.

@ the language filter

I hadn't noticed that.

 

[Warrior]

Larry Johnson didn't make the judge happy.

That judge is a ########...

“Children who go to PAL don’t go there for art class,” Locascio said at the probation revocation hearing Friday. “The idea that you would draw pictures with kids who want to participate in athletics is absurd.

“If I knew you didn’t want to do sports with kids, I would have assigned you to pick up trash on the highway. That’s what we typically have defendants do.”

Johnson’s attorney, J.R. Hobbs, pointed out that Johnson provided a Thanksgiving dinner to 100 people at the PAL center, bought turkeys for an additional 100 families and bought $2,500 worth of Christmas presents for the kids.

Not quite sure the mindset where that's what you'd selectively pull out of the article completely out of context. The article laid out an objective look at all the ways LJ has still been a arrogant jerk and I can't figure out why you're trying to spin it.

The part where I made a comment was referring to the block of text that I quoted.What part didn't you comprehend?

Full disclosure...is the judge your husband/father? If so, I apologize for pointing out his douchebaggyness.

 

[fatness]

Full disclosure...is the judge your husband/father? If so, I apologize for pointing out his douchebaggyness.

Full disclosure --- saying stuff like that is just dumb.

 

[fatness]

McNabb invited the Redskins' receivers, tight ends and running backs to Arizona to take part in his regular offseason workout program. It's the same opportunity he offered in the past few years to his former teammates in Philadelphia. Receivers Devin Thomas, Santana Moss and Malcolm Kelly are among those expected to participate.

McNabb calls it "Hell Week" because of the demanding nature of his workouts, but also because of the extreme summertime heat. Temperatures around Phoenix this week are expected to climb as high as 112 degrees. "It's a different mindset," McNabb said of the week. "I prepare guys the way I prepare."

The Redskins' players were expected to land in Phoenix Sunday with an itinerary waiting for them. The week was expected to begin with an early wake-up call and the players reporting each morning to Fischer Sports, the 20,000-square foot workout facility where McNabb does most of his offseason training.

Link

 

[buster c]

Previously, I mentioned that according to the people I know associated with the Redskins, the Team has had 'eyes' on him this entire offseason monitoring his activity and fitness level during his absence. He represents a massive investment on their part, and keeping tabs on him is just what any Team in the Redskins' position would do. During the whole OTA fiasco, I was informed that Haynesworth was grossly out of shape and not working out at all, and living a lifestyle quite contrary to anyone preparing for the grind of an NFL Season...if true, and I have no reason to believe it wasn't, then he wasn't involved in any sort of a weight-loss regimen or conditioning program in late Feb/early April, and not in May or early June either. About that time, somebody got through to Fat Albert and forced him to wake up and smell the coffee regarding his situation, and here we are with this spin coming from his agent and trainer..

No disrespect meant to you, but some talk from within the organization is true and some is not. I'm no more or less inclined to believe that than I am to believe the statements by Haynesworth's trainer. If you're talking directly to the guy who "supervised" him for months, that's one thing. Scuttlebut is quite another thing.

Based on my own experience and knowledge base, when you're dealing with a Haynesworth-type 'Athlete', who probably weighted close to 400 lbs at some point this summer, if we go on the assumption that he started getting in shape on or around the time he announced he'd be attending Training Camp (sometime in mid-to-late June), then it would be pretty easy to strip 32 lbs (less than 10% of his total body mass), which was probably around 35% Body Fat to begin with, in about 3 weeks, just by having him drink 1 Gallon of Water a day, reducing his simple carbohydrate intake and removing processed foods from his diet, and engaging him in light cardiovascular activity where his heart rate was slightly elevated for 20 minutes a day, along with regulating his sleep/wake patterns and mealtimes/frequency.

Last year his body fat at training camp was 22%. It was reported in multiple places. Here is one of them.

He flips the metal weight discs around as if they were poker chips and talks about how he was measured at 22-percent body fat by the Redskins recently, an absurdly low number for a man of his size. “I had the highest amount of lean-muscle mass on the team,” Haynesworth said.

If my opinion turns out to be accurate, we are either headed towards an injury that prevents him from playing, or the Albert that took plays off or sat out series, quarters, halfs or even games at times in 2009.

Haynesworth played more snaps than any defensive lineman on the team except Andre Carter last year.

fatness, are you simply being argumentative or are you countering NL's assertion and saying AH is in good shape? I don't have anything to go on other then what my eyes see, but AH looked like a fat slob as a Skin in 2009, unable to string together more than a few plays in a row before heading to the sidelines, completely gassed. We all saw this. That he played the 2nd most number of snaps is more of an indictment of his fellow linemen than his being fit for full-time duty. Maybe in this day and age, him being laid out on the field draws more attention, but I don't remember this from Dan Wilkenson, Sean Gilbert, Joe Sa'alvea, Dave Butz, Darrell Grant, etc.

 

[buster c]

Clint Didier

"There should be a bill introduced that if the budget isn't balanced, nobody in Congress gets paid," Didier said to cheers at the Bellingham meeting.

 

[fatness]

fatness, are you simply being argumentative or are you countering NL's assertion and saying AH is in good shape? I don't have anything to go on other then what my eyes see, but AH looked like a fat slob as a Skin in 2009, unable to string together more than a few plays in a row before heading to the sidelines, completely gassed. We all saw this. That he played the 2nd most number of snaps is more of an indictment of his fellow linemen than his being fit for full-time duty. Maybe in this day and age, him being laid out on the field draws more attention, but I don't remember this from Dan Wilkenson, Sean Gilbert, Joe Sa'alvea, Dave Butz, Darrell Grant, etc.

Haynesworth looked like that and did that before he played for Washington. What are your surprised at? If you didn't know what the Redskins were getting when they signed him, and when they paid him his $21 million in April of this year, then you should keep up more. Other teams know it. link

"I'm so glad we're playing Washington early in the year because it's going to be hot out there, we're going to be running hurry-up offense and he's going to get fatigued," Brown said. "And I'm not sure if you have watched film before, but when he gets fatigued, he taps out. He just falls down to the ground, and you're like, 'Oh my gosh, is he hurt? Is something wrong with him?' No, he's just giving the guy on the sidelines enough time to mosey on out there so he can get up, go to the sidelines, catch a breather, get something to drink and then he comes right back out.

"And then people are like, 'I thought he was hurt.' No, he got tired. But you know what, that's exactly what we're going to have to do when we play Washington. We're going to have to play hurry-up offense and make them tired."

 

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Randle El says Zorn was held back by the front office.

Meanwhile, Cooley says Zorn lost the team after the Lions game last year, because they all figured he was on his way out soon.

And did anyone listen to the Sports Reporters this afternoon? Ryan O'Halloran was on with Czaban and Pollin. "O'Halloran and Pollin talked about how the front office (specifically Vinnie) would not let Zorn bench Randle El on punt returns.

 

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Cooley again, from the article I linked above. This stuff is hilarious:

And Cooley also said that Todd Yoder's idea for naming plays after small furry mammals has lived in, even with Yoder's departure.

"Artis [Hicks] and I had this amazing dummy call system at the line of scrimmage worked out," Cooley said. "We really had our defense on their toes. We were using small furry mammals for any kind of call that was real, and then all the dummy calls we would use the real calls for.

"When you're playing against your own defense, when you're playing against a team that plays you a lot, they hear the calls and a lot of the line calls are the same. For example if you call ted, it's TE, tackle and tight end, and they expect double teams. So instead we would call ferret or mongoose. And then when it was a pass or something else, to get them to expect a double team, then we'd call ted. We had a great system."

And here's the link to Yoder naming plays after small animals.

 

[buster c]

fatness, are you simply being argumentative or are you countering NL's assertion and saying AH is in good shape? I don't have anything to go on other then what my eyes see, but AH looked like a fat slob as a Skin in 2009, unable to string together more than a few plays in a row before heading to the sidelines, completely gassed. We all saw this. That he played the 2nd most number of snaps is more of an indictment of his fellow linemen than his being fit for full-time duty. Maybe in this day and age, him being laid out on the field draws more attention, but I don't remember this from Dan Wilkenson, Sean Gilbert, Joe Sa'alvea, Dave Butz, Darrell Grant, etc.

Haynesworth looked like that and did that before he played for Washington. What are your surprised at? If you didn't know what the Redskins were getting when they signed him, and when they paid him his $21 million in April of this year, then you should keep up more. Other teams know it. link

"I'm so glad we're playing Washington early in the year because it's going to be hot out there, we're going to be running hurry-up offense and he's going to get fatigued," Brown said. "And I'm not sure if you have watched film before, but when he gets fatigued, he taps out. He just falls down to the ground, and you're like, 'Oh my gosh, is he hurt? Is something wrong with him?' No, he's just giving the guy on the sidelines enough time to mosey on out there so he can get up, go to the sidelines, catch a breather, get something to drink and then he comes right back out.

"And then people are like, 'I thought he was hurt.' No, he got tired. But you know what, that's exactly what we're going to have to do when we play Washington. We're going to have to play hurry-up offense and make them tired."

who said I was surprised? I'm simply trying to figure out what your counter to NL was all about. seems like you're now arguing against yourself

 

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who said I was surprised? I'm simply trying to figure out what your counter to NL was all about. seems like you're now arguing against yourself

I'm saying I distrust some talk about Haynesworth that comes out of the Redskins organization. I certainly trust nittanylion; he shares what he hears (that he can get away with telling us) and I enjoy that immensely. But I don't trust all of what is said about Haynesworth by other people in the organization.Haynesworth is really the last vestige of the "Dan Snyder running the show" era now that Allen and Shanahan are here. Part of that era was players being (too) highly paid, and part of it was players being able to call their own shots some of the time. Allen and Shanahan cut quite a few players, moved players to other positions, put in new offenses and defenses, and generally have put their stamp on the team already. And it badly needed someone else running things besides Dan (and Vinnie).But what's happening here is that Snyder can't just let go and say "trade or cut the guy" which is the logical thing to do if Haynesworth is going to continue to be disruptive. We don't know that Haynesworth will do that, but there's a decent chance it'll happen. And if it happens it's terrible for the team. It's a distraction, it gives a recalcitrant player lots of continuous press taking attention away from all the players doing what's asked of them. And it makes the new guys in charge look not-so-in-charge.If the Redskins are not going to cut or trade him, the next logical thing to do is to smooth things over with him to the extent possible to increase the chances he won't be disruptive. Other teams do this with players who've been unhappy and it has worked with a lot of them. But the Redskins have taken 0 steps to smooth things over prior to camp. What's the reason they're not trading him, cutting him, or trying to smooth things over with him? Dan Snyder wants some money back. He won't do the logical thing and just let go as he should. That's why unattributed talk from the front office has come out now and then disparaging Haynesworth --- it's the old-style Vinnie-style method of trying to make a player they're unhappy with look bad. And that's why I don't trust all the stuff coming out of the organization --- I think some of it is floated to make Haynesworth look bad. I hope I've explained my opinion clearly.

 

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Rich Tandler analyzing the

Inside linebackers

Outside linebackers

Cornerbacks

 

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What makes this potential acquisition into a no brainer is that Haynesworth is currently on sale. He's a blue light special. Washington has reportedly shopped him for as little as a third round draft pick.

Link - although I'm not sure how reliable that writer is

 

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The Shanahan Playbook

There are 4 plays there you can look at. Pretty nice that the plays are animated.

 

[dgreen]

The Shanahan Playbook

There are 4 plays there you can look at. Pretty nice that the plays are animated.

I don't see how we don't win the Super Bowl this year.