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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (4 Viewers)

I'll admit it: I've got the creeps about playing the Rams.
Really? I'm thinking this could be a comfortable win. These are the types of games against weak opponents where McNabb destroys the defense...as long as he's not looking ahead to Philly.
 
fatness said:
Agent Peter Schaffer told the Washington Post that the Redskins told him the decision was a "short-term situation" relating to the team needing a roster spot.

Asked if the Redskins might re-sign Johnson, Schaffer said, "I don't know. There are no guarantees about anything in this league."
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needing a roster spot? I don't get it. They cut one RB and sign a different RB...how does one spin that?
:thumbup: How did that go? "uhh yeah we need to create another roster spot so we can sign this guy that plays the same positions you do."
:lmao: Not a big deal to me. He needed to go. He's gone. I'm satisfied.

ETA: Also, they don't really play the same position. Simpson has primarily been a kick returner. Maybe the move is to get Devin to WR and off the kick return team.

 
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I'll admit it: I've got the creeps about playing the Rams.
And with good reason. The recent past has shown that the Skins have always played down to their competition. They are clearly superior talent wise to St. Louis. It will be a telling game. Last week showed more of the same (finding a way to lose). If they go out and dominate this team and win by 2-3 TDs as they should, it could be a sign that things are truly different.
 
I'll admit it: I've got the creeps about playing the Rams.
And with good reason. The recent past has shown that the Skins have always played down to their competition. They are clearly superior talent wise to St. Louis. It will be a telling game. Last week showed more of the same (finding a way to lose). If they go out and dominate this team and win by 2-3 TDs as they should, it could be a sign that things are truly different.
While I don't agree that they are 2 or 3 TD's superior to the Rams, I do think the Skins are a bit better team. But we fans always tend to overestimate how good the Skins are in the early part of each season. And then they lose to bad teams, and our assessment of them moves from "good" to "good but loses to inferior opponents" to "maybe not so good after all" to "thud". So I don't know how much better they truly are. To me, they should win this game by 7 or more, but if they don't, or if they lose, then we've fooled ourselves again. They were 4-12 last year, and almost lost to the Rams without Bradford. I can't forget that.
 
I'll admit it: I've got the creeps about playing the Rams.
And with good reason. The recent past has shown that the Skins have always played down to their competition. They are clearly superior talent wise to St. Louis. It will be a telling game. Last week showed more of the same (finding a way to lose). If they go out and dominate this team and win by 2-3 TDs as they should, it could be a sign that things are truly different.
While I don't agree that they are 2 or 3 TD's superior to the Rams, I do think the Skins are a bit better team. But we fans always tend to overestimate how good the Skins are in the early part of each season. And then they lose to bad teams, and our assessment of them moves from "good" to "good but loses to inferior opponents" to "maybe not so good after all" to "thud". So I don't know how much better they truly are. To me, they should win this game by 7 or more, but if they don't, or if they lose, then we've fooled ourselves again. They were 4-12 last year, and almost lost to the Rams without Bradford. I can't forget that.
Looks like Washington is currently a 4-point favorite. I'm not a gambling man, but I'd go heavy on Washington there. Even if Trent Williams doesn't play, I can see this offense scoring 24+ against the Rams. I think Washington gets the running game going and these are the types of opponents that McNabb seems to rip.I understand the hesitation to think this team can be something decent, but we can't underestimate the advantage this coach and QB have over last year's coach and QB.
 
yes, exactly that, the clear #2. He doesn't get any bigger slice of the pie unless something were to happen to Portis. This is not a RBBC, it's Portis and some other dude who will get a few touches per game.

Do you Skins guys think K Williams will eventually step in and be the man at some point in the near future???
No.
Do you have an opinion as to why not???? Isn't he the clear #2 at this point???
 
Do you Skins guys think K Williams will eventually step in and be the man at some point in the near future???
Not this year (unless Portis goes down). Next year - I would expect him to be in the mix. He has good enough size & speed, he can catch the ball, and the Shannys trust him to block on 3rd down. I'm high on him for next year and expect him to have success in the Shanny system. Of course, the Skin's could draft or trade for a young stud running back and KW could be back as 2nd or 3rd string.
 
Agent Peter Schaffer told the Washington Post that the Redskins told him the decision was a "short-term situation" relating to the team needing a roster spot.

Asked if the Redskins might re-sign Johnson, Schaffer said, "I don't know. There are no guarantees about anything in this league."
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needing a roster spot? I don't get it. They cut one RB and sign a different RB...how does one spin that?
Maybe they need a roster spot for Vincent Jackson, and wanted to get a few practices in with Simpson? Guess we'll know within the hour....
 
Apparently Lavar Arrington is not another Joey Sunshine.

Now keep in mind, I don't have any problem with a team working to get better, I really don't. But I do have a problem when a team cuts a guy two games into the season, saying he doesn't fit your scheme. I'm confused, because all offseason and throughout training camp people at Redskins Park were gushing about how these Pro Bowl backs were looking in practice. We heard numerous interviews about how they planned on using the three-headed monster. So my question is, where did all the excitement go? Johnson touched the ball all of five times before the Redskins decided he didn't fit the scheme?
Look, I'm trying to understand how all these so-called football geniuses weren't able to see that he didn't fit before now, that's all. I have a very difficult time believing that five carries over two games were enough to conclude that Mr Johnson didn't fit in the scheme. Shanahan doesn't talk about anything to the media, so we are left to speculate about every decision made. This move makes me wonder if we really brought in the engineer of those Super Bowls in Denver or another ticket-seller like Steve Spurier or, you guessed it, Joe Gibbs his second time around? I'm just asking, does this guy still have it or is he just another on a long list of coaches who came back to make a couple dollars and position his son to be a head coach?
One thing's for certain for me, neither Allen nor Shanahan is explaining the method and, if I recall correctly, Shanahan was "fired" in Denver. It feels like a scene out of "The Usual Suspects," only I'm not really sure who Kaiser Soze is. Five carries, people! Announcements on game day that a guy is inactive because of his ankle, but he's walking around just fine and practicing? Please help me understand.
 
Good column by Sally Jenkins.

The Washington Redskins are 1-1 and coming off a fourth-quarter collapse, yet they exude possibility, rather than panic or dissension. That's because professionals are in charge of the organization, with a clear sense of the things they can fix right away, and a realistic view of the things they can't. At least there's a sense of anticipation instead of dread when the ball is snapped, and that's an improvement.
But the loss to the Texans was also as exposing as an MRI exam. As a 17-point lead slipped away in the fourth quarter, we saw exactly where the Redskins lack bone density. They simply don't yet have all the personnel they need for Mike Shanahan's attacking offense and defensive coordinator Jim Haslett's aggressive 3-4 alignment. You get the feeling that the Redskins' bold schemes are just a tad more ambitious than the physical capacities of some of the men on the field. The question for Shanahan and his staff is how well they can manage around those things they don't have and can't fix.
"He always told me when I was younger, 'All coaches have their system, and anybody can win with good players,' " Kyle said. " 'But true coaches, when they don't have the right players to run the system, can they adjust? Do you have other stuff? You've got to know everything, so that if players can't do what you're asking them to do, you don't just keep beating your head against the wall. You got to figure out what can they do. That's the sign of a good coach.' " The Shanahans will have to back up those words in dealing with the Redskins' obvious deficiencies.
 
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There were, however, three blitzes Haslett acknowledged he should not have called: on a screen pass in the third quarter that resulted in a 50-yard catch and run by Arian Foster and led to a touchdown as time expired in the quarter; the fourth-and-10 play late in the fourth quarter that resulted in a 34-yard touchdown pass from quarterback Matt Schaub to wide reciever Andre Johnson; and the 28-yard pass from Schaub to tight end Joel Dreessen on third down that set up the game-winning field goal.

"Basically, it was three plays," Haslett said Wednesday. "The screen. Bad call. I take the blame on that. It wasn't a good call. We didn't play it the way I would have liked. It wasn't a good call for that situation.

"Then we played a Tampa-2, which they played here last year. We didn't play it right. They got a third down [conversion for a first down] on us. And then the fourth down, when he just chucked it up at then end, we should have had two guys on 'em. If you take away those three plays, we would have the game."
Haslett stepping up to take some responsibility.
 
John Keim's article on the blitzes against Houston

The blitz didn't work. After all, Houston quarterback Matt Schaub had enough time to throw 34 yards downfield on a fourth down play for a game-tying touchdown this past Sunday.

Then again, it did work. Schaub's numbers were good when the Redskins blitzed him but they were much better when Washington didn't. And just about every big play by the Redskins defense came via this strategy.
 
Studs & Duds

And a mention of something that amazed me during the game:

It’s also stunning how often the Redskins are fooled on bootlegs; that’s all they saw this summer in practice! Some of it, perhaps, stems from how aggressive they play. Only once did Schaub face any pressure after a bootleg and it’s when Landry blitzed. Other than that, wide open field.
 
I'll admit it: I've got the creeps about playing the Rams.
And with good reason. The recent past has shown that the Skins have always played down to their competition. They are clearly superior talent wise to St. Louis. It will be a telling game. Last week showed more of the same (finding a way to lose). If they go out and dominate this team and win by 2-3 TDs as they should, it could be a sign that things are truly different.
The redskins are 3.5 pt favorites. I know homers have a tendency to overrate their own team, but this is just ridiculous. and I"m a Skins fan too btw. the sports betting market is quite efficient, at worse the line is maybe a half point or full point off of what the true line should be.

 
Apparently Lavar Arrington is not another Joey Sunshine.

Now keep in mind, I don't have any problem with a team working to get better, I really don't. But I do have a problem when a team cuts a guy two games into the season, saying he doesn't fit your scheme. I'm confused, because all offseason and throughout training camp people at Redskins Park were gushing about how these Pro Bowl backs were looking in practice. We heard numerous interviews about how they planned on using the three-headed monster. So my question is, where did all the excitement go? Johnson touched the ball all of five times before the Redskins decided he didn't fit the scheme?
Look, I'm trying to understand how all these so-called football geniuses weren't able to see that he didn't fit before now, that's all. I have a very difficult time believing that five carries over two games were enough to conclude that Mr Johnson didn't fit in the scheme. Shanahan doesn't talk about anything to the media, so we are left to speculate about every decision made. This move makes me wonder if we really brought in the engineer of those Super Bowls in Denver or another ticket-seller like Steve Spurier or, you guessed it, Joe Gibbs his second time around? I'm just asking, does this guy still have it or is he just another on a long list of coaches who came back to make a couple dollars and position his son to be a head coach?
One thing's for certain for me, neither Allen nor Shanahan is explaining the method and, if I recall correctly, Shanahan was "fired" in Denver. It feels like a scene out of "The Usual Suspects," only I'm not really sure who Kaiser Soze is. Five carries, people! Announcements on game day that a guy is inactive because of his ankle, but he's walking around just fine and practicing? Please help me understand.
Talk about inductive reasoning run amok! Rather than actually thinking that they might be trying to help LJ save some face rather than flatly saying he's washed up, he's now questioning their competence and their qualifications to be hired in the first place? Thinking never was Lavar's strong suit.
 
Nightly Mistake said:
Apparently Lavar Arrington is not another Joey Sunshine.

Now keep in mind, I don't have any problem with a team working to get better, I really don't. But I do have a problem when a team cuts a guy two games into the season, saying he doesn't fit your scheme. I'm confused, because all offseason and throughout training camp people at Redskins Park were gushing about how these Pro Bowl backs were looking in practice. We heard numerous interviews about how they planned on using the three-headed monster. So my question is, where did all the excitement go? Johnson touched the ball all of five times before the Redskins decided he didn't fit the scheme?
Look, I'm trying to understand how all these so-called football geniuses weren't able to see that he didn't fit before now, that's all. I have a very difficult time believing that five carries over two games were enough to conclude that Mr Johnson didn't fit in the scheme. Shanahan doesn't talk about anything to the media, so we are left to speculate about every decision made. This move makes me wonder if we really brought in the engineer of those Super Bowls in Denver or another ticket-seller like Steve Spurier or, you guessed it, Joe Gibbs his second time around? I'm just asking, does this guy still have it or is he just another on a long list of coaches who came back to make a couple dollars and position his son to be a head coach?
One thing's for certain for me, neither Allen nor Shanahan is explaining the method and, if I recall correctly, Shanahan was "fired" in Denver. It feels like a scene out of "The Usual Suspects," only I'm not really sure who Kaiser Soze is. Five carries, people! Announcements on game day that a guy is inactive because of his ankle, but he's walking around just fine and practicing? Please help me understand.
Talk about inductive reasoning run amok! Rather than actually thinking that they might be trying to help LJ save some face rather than flatly saying he's washed up, he's now questioning their competence and their qualifications to be hired in the first place? Thinking never was Lavar's strong suit.
I just assumed that Lavar is buddies with LJ from their Penn State days and Lavar is sticking up for his bud. He had basically the same rant on 106.7 the other night and the ###-kissing host didn't challenge him. Even if they were not at Penn State at the same time (I dunno), it sounds like Lavar backing a Penn State guy more than anything else.
 
Agent Peter Schaffer told the Washington Post that the Redskins told him the decision was a "short-term situation" relating to the team needing a roster spot.

Asked if the Redskins might re-sign Johnson, Schaffer said, "I don't know. There are no guarantees about anything in this league."
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needing a roster spot? I don't get it. They cut one RB and sign a different RB...how does one spin that?
:) How did that go? "uhh yeah we need to create another roster spot so we can sign this guy that plays the same positions you do."
:no:
 
I'll admit it: I've got the creeps about playing the Rams.
You should be.Back in the 2008 season the Skins were 4-1 heading into a 3 game stretch against the mighty Rams, Browns and Lions who finished with a combined 6 wins for the year. Some of you were thinking 7-1 heading into key games against division opponents. I said, in this very thread, the old Skins team would disappoint and drop a game or two in that stretch. We'll see if they are the old or new Skins.They lost to the Rams @ home 17-19 which was their first win for the season, and squeaked by the Browns 14-11. They went 2-6 the rest of the season, including losses to powerhouses Seattle (4-12) and Cincinnati (4-11-1)So yeah, anyone who has followed this team any length of time should have the creeps about playing a team that should be a doormat for the rest of the league this season b/c the Skins like to lose those types of games.
 
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Studs & Duds

And a mention of something that amazed me during the game:

It’s also stunning how often the Redskins are fooled on bootlegs; that’s all they saw this summer in practice! Some of it, perhaps, stems from how aggressive they play. Only once did Schaub face any pressure after a bootleg and it’s when Landry blitzed. Other than that, wide open field.
I kept thinking this the entire time while watching. "How many times are you gonna let him roll out to his right before you, you know, try to stop him from doing that"?
 
I'll admit it: I've got the creeps about playing the Rams.
You should be.Back in the 2008 season the Skins were 4-1 heading into a 3 game stretch against the mighty Rams, Browns and Lions who finished with a combined 6 wins for the year. Some of you were thinking 7-1 heading into key games against division opponents. I said, in this very thread, the old Skins team would disappoint and drop a game or two in that stretch. We'll see if they are the old or new Skins.They lost to the Rams @ home 17-19 which was their first win for the season, and squeaked by the Browns 14-11. They went 2-6 the rest of the season, including losses to powerhouses Seattle (4-12) and Cincinnati (4-11-1)So yeah, anyone who has followed this team any length of time should have the creeps about playing a team that should be a doormat for the rest of the league this season b/c the Skins like to lose those types of games.
As a lifelong Skins fan, I know exactly where this fear is coming from. But, looking at it objectively, this isn't the same Skins team and comparisons to that Zorn/Campbell/Cerrato team aren't legit, IMO.
 
As a lifelong Skins fan, I know exactly where this fear is coming from. But, looking at it objectively, this isn't the same Skins team and comparisons to that Zorn/Campbell/Cerrato team aren't legit, IMO.
I understand it too, but I don't have that feeling anymore either. It's like the burden was lifted from my shoulders when Cerrato "resigned". I have confidence that the team will play hard and the coaches will make well informed decisions and do everything in their power to win. No more playing not to lose.
 
Apparently Lavar Arrington is not another Joey Sunshine.

One thing's for certain for me, neither Allen nor Shanahan is explaining the method and, if I recall correctly, Shanahan was "fired" in Denver. It feels like a scene out of "The Usual Suspects," only I'm not really sure who Kaiser Soze is. Five carries, people! Announcements on game day that a guy is inactive because of his ankle, but he's walking around just fine and practicing? Please help me understand.
Is Lavar trying to say that he knew who Kaiser Soze was the whole time? :hophead:
 
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Trent Williams improving, hopes to play SundayLeft tackle Trent Williams, who is suffering from knee and toe injuries, continued to improve and hopes to practice Friday in an attempt to play against the St. Louis Rams, Coach Mike Shanahan said Thursday."We'll get a chance to see how he feels [Friday]," Shanahan said of the rookie, who has played well in his first two games. Williams was "much better today. He was able to jog and be on the treadmill for a while, so we'll check him out [Friday]."With Williams sidelined Thursday, tackle Jammal Brown, who started the first two games on the right side, worked on the left side and fared well. "He looked good," offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said. "He's getting better each day, getting more comfortable with what we do and continuing to get better."Backup tackle Stephon Heyer, who replaced Williams after Williams was hurt in Week 2, also has practiced at left tackle. "He's looked good," Kyle Shanahan said. "There's only so many linemen on each team, so he's gotten reps since he's been here - a ton of them."The Redskins are encouraged because Williams's knee seems to have responded well this week. "I think its more the toe," Mike Shanahan said. "The knee, I think it's a little bit sore. But more the toe than the knee and that's a good sign."Free safety Kareem Moore, who missed the first two games while recovering from knee surgery, remained on track to return to the lineup Sunday against the Rams at the Edward Jones Dome. "I'm looking forward to him playing," Mike Shanahan said. "He's been hurt for quite a long time right now."He did a great job through our OTAs [organized team activities] and our summer [conditioning] program. I'm hoping that he comes back and plays at a high level. He's a football player. He's got a feel for coverages and when to break. You either have it back there when you're deep or you don't. He's a playmaker."Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, inactive against Houston because of an ankle injury, participated fully in practice. "I think he's fine," Mike Shanahan said. "He had a good practice today. It didn't look like there were any setbacks. Hopefully, no setbacks tomorrow."Wide receiver Anthony Armstrong (groin) and safety Chris Horton (ankle and groin) did not participate in practice.
Sounds like Haynesworth and Kareem Moore should be ready Sunday. Trent Williams is making progress and will try to practice tomorrow. Both Jamaal Brown and Heyer have worked at LT this week.If Armstrong can't go, we should see Devin Thomas get some WR action. With Moore back, I expect Horton to be inactive even if he is healthy.
 
Marvelous said:
I can't believe they're really going to go with only Portis, Williams, and Simpson at RB.
Well, they do have Torrain on the practice squad. And I'd be surprised if anyone picked up LJ right away.
i believe cutting LJ is a very storng endorsement of Keiland Williams. They must be comfortable with Williams as the backup. At least more comfortable and LJ.
:no: It's very telling to me that they trust an UFA rookie to be a third down outlet receiver in his second regular season game. They really like and trust him, and he's clearly "getting it" quickly on offense. He's absolutely a solid pickup.
 
Marvelous said:
I can't believe they're really going to go with only Portis, Williams, and Simpson at RB.
Well, they do have Torrain on the practice squad. And I'd be surprised if anyone picked up LJ right away.
i believe cutting LJ is a very storng endorsement of Keiland Williams. They must be comfortable with Williams as the backup. At least more comfortable and LJ.
I agree and I have no problem with Williams. I just can't believe that they're effectively only carrying 2 RB's. They get hurt a lot.
 
Studs & Duds

And a mention of something that amazed me during the game:

It’s also stunning how often the Redskins are fooled on bootlegs; that’s all they saw this summer in practice! Some of it, perhaps, stems from how aggressive they play. Only once did Schaub face any pressure after a bootleg and it’s when Landry blitzed. Other than that, wide open field.
I kept thinking this the entire time while watching. "How many times are you gonna let him roll out to his right before you, you know, try to stop him from doing that"?
They looked like the easiest team in the league to fool. And honestly, it wasn't just on bootlegs. They overpursue everything and are constantly vulnerable to misdirection plays.
 
I'll admit it: I've got the creeps about playing the Rams.
And with good reason. The recent past has shown that the Skins have always played down to their competition. They are clearly superior talent wise to St. Louis. It will be a telling game. Last week showed more of the same (finding a way to lose). If they go out and dominate this team and win by 2-3 TDs as they should, it could be a sign that things are truly different.
While I don't agree that they are 2 or 3 TD's superior to the Rams, I do think the Skins are a bit better team. But we fans always tend to overestimate how good the Skins are in the early part of each season. And then they lose to bad teams, and our assessment of them moves from "good" to "good but loses to inferior opponents" to "maybe not so good after all" to "thud". So I don't know how much better they truly are. To me, they should win this game by 7 or more, but if they don't, or if they lose, then we've fooled ourselves again. They were 4-12 last year, and almost lost to the Rams without Bradford. I can't forget that.
Good point, although I still think that they win this game by 2-3 TDs.
 
Injury updates from Grant Paulsen (106.7 the Fan):

Dockery when asked if he's starting this weekend: "I don't know yet. We'll see." He says his practice reps were the same this week as last.
Derrick Dockery on Trent Williams: "He'll go out before the game & see how he feels and then they'll make a game-time decision."
Shanahan ruled Anthony Bryant (concussion) out of Sunday's game but wouldn't say Haynesworth will be active, even though his ankle's "fine."
If Haynesworth is not active that means they'll play the game with one NT. One. Kemoeatu, who's their starter and who's been outplayed by Bryant. Steven Jackson will have 150 yards.
 
Article on Adam Carriker.

Playing left end for the Redskins, Carriker, 26, who stands 6 feet 6 and weighs 315 pounds, has been able to take on double teams, help stuff the run and open up lanes for linebackers. After sitting out all of 2009 with injuries, Carriker has been perhaps the brightest spot on the defensive line.
 

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