Sebowski
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It's because Kolb has proven he can play on Sundays
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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (1 Viewer)
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dgreen
Footballguy
That's right. He signed a 1-year contract last year. I think Blades is also a UFA, making Riley the starter as of today.
Yes, I've heard that too.
dgreen
Footballguy
"Proven" is a pretty strong word here. Sure, his resume beats Beck's right now, but that's not saying much. Kolb has shown some glimpses with a few really good games, but he's had just as many duds.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Right, Jenkins was drafted to be a 3-4 DE opposite Carriker. The beauty of the Kerrigan and Jenkins selections, though, are that both players have the versatility, and experience, to move to DE and DT, respectively, when the 'Skins are in 4-man fronts, which can be up to 50% of the time, or more.I'm also pretty sure you are correct, in that Golston should be a FA.Anthony Bryant filled in for Kemo after he went on IR, and if IIRC he was at least serviceable. He was just signed last year, but I can't find any reliable contract specifics. Also, 7th round draft pick Chris Neild is projected to play 3-4 NT, and from what I've read on him post-draft (may include a link that was in this thread), there were some experts (FWIW) who thought he was a steal that late.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
My complete thoughts on the Skins draft:
16. Ryan Kerrigan, linebacker, Purdue: As I stated earlier I like the pick. He should start at OLB opposite Orakpo.
41. Jarvis Jenkins, defensive end, Clemson: I actually noticed and remember this guy watching a couple Clemson games last year. Dude is a disrupter. Athletic for his size. Fills a big hole at RDE opposite Carriker.
79. Leonard Hankerson, wide receiver, Miami: When I watched some of the senior bowl, this guy looked like the best wr on the field. I think the Skins got excellent value getting him in the 3rd. I thought he was going in the 2nd. He'll have a chance to win a starting job at WR.
105. Roy Helu, running back, Nebraska: I've commented on this guy plenty in the old Roy Helu thread. His running style is a perfect fit for Shanny's offense. My biggest concern with him is his durability. When he was forced to carry the load by himself in 2009 after Burkhead got injured, he broke down physically. IMO, he won't be able to last half a season, let alone an entire season,
as the Redskins primary ballcarrier without breaking down physically. I think he's a much better fit for a RBBC where he would get 10 - 15 touches a game.
146. DeJon Gomes, safety, Nebraska: I expect this guy to come in and be the starting nickel back from day 1. He was an underrated juco transfer to NU and picked up Nebraska's complex defensive scheme quickly (which is a rarity) and was an immediate impact player. He played safety and corner at NU. Extremely versatile. He's a playmaker. Will force turnovers and make big plays in big moments. Great instincts. Should also be an outstanding special teams player. He mostly played over the slot wr in NU"s dime package which they seemingly used 90%+ of the time the last 2 years.
155. Niles Paul, wide receiver, Nebraska: A lot of people are divided on Paul, but I think he was an absolute steal, getting a 2nd round type talent in the 5th round. His biggest problem in college was the mental aspect of the game. Occasionally, he would lose concentration, while alternatively he pressed too much. He's an Omaha kid (Ahman Green's cousin) who had a ton of pressure on him to perform. Personally, I think getting out of Nebraska will be the best thing for him. He's a physical specimen. Fearless going over the middle. He attacks the ball. Arguably the best blocking wr in the draft. Very good special teams player. Made some big punt and kickoff returns. At minimum, he'll be an upgrade to the Skins coverage and return units.
177. Evan Royster, running back, Penn State: Another solid pick. Fits the Skins offensive scheme. He took a step back his senior year, but I've heard that was mostly due to double digit lbs he packed on. IIRC, he was projected to go much higher prior to the start of the 2010 season.
178. Aldrick Robinson, wide receiver, SMU: Looks like the classic slot wr. May be a practice squad candidate who they can develop.
213. Brandyn Thompson, cornerback, Boise State: This guy's ceiling is nickel/dime back, imo. Probably another practice squad candidate.
217. Maurice Hurt, guard, Florida: Finally an OL was taken! Looks like a guy who fell to the 7th round due to some character red flags. I'm thinking he's another developmental prospect along the lines of the 2 OL they drafted in the 7th last year.
224. Markus White, linebacker, Florida State: Classic gamble at this point in the draft. Talented DE in college, but can he play in space?
253. Chris Neild, nose tackle, West Virginia: Very happy with this pick. Surprised he lasted to the end of the draft as he is a big time run stuffer which is the team's biggest need on defense. Has an excellent shot at making the team and I wouldn't be surprised to see him playing this season as the NT play last season was putrid.
16. Ryan Kerrigan, linebacker, Purdue: As I stated earlier I like the pick. He should start at OLB opposite Orakpo.
41. Jarvis Jenkins, defensive end, Clemson: I actually noticed and remember this guy watching a couple Clemson games last year. Dude is a disrupter. Athletic for his size. Fills a big hole at RDE opposite Carriker.
79. Leonard Hankerson, wide receiver, Miami: When I watched some of the senior bowl, this guy looked like the best wr on the field. I think the Skins got excellent value getting him in the 3rd. I thought he was going in the 2nd. He'll have a chance to win a starting job at WR.
105. Roy Helu, running back, Nebraska: I've commented on this guy plenty in the old Roy Helu thread. His running style is a perfect fit for Shanny's offense. My biggest concern with him is his durability. When he was forced to carry the load by himself in 2009 after Burkhead got injured, he broke down physically. IMO, he won't be able to last half a season, let alone an entire season,
as the Redskins primary ballcarrier without breaking down physically. I think he's a much better fit for a RBBC where he would get 10 - 15 touches a game.
146. DeJon Gomes, safety, Nebraska: I expect this guy to come in and be the starting nickel back from day 1. He was an underrated juco transfer to NU and picked up Nebraska's complex defensive scheme quickly (which is a rarity) and was an immediate impact player. He played safety and corner at NU. Extremely versatile. He's a playmaker. Will force turnovers and make big plays in big moments. Great instincts. Should also be an outstanding special teams player. He mostly played over the slot wr in NU"s dime package which they seemingly used 90%+ of the time the last 2 years.
155. Niles Paul, wide receiver, Nebraska: A lot of people are divided on Paul, but I think he was an absolute steal, getting a 2nd round type talent in the 5th round. His biggest problem in college was the mental aspect of the game. Occasionally, he would lose concentration, while alternatively he pressed too much. He's an Omaha kid (Ahman Green's cousin) who had a ton of pressure on him to perform. Personally, I think getting out of Nebraska will be the best thing for him. He's a physical specimen. Fearless going over the middle. He attacks the ball. Arguably the best blocking wr in the draft. Very good special teams player. Made some big punt and kickoff returns. At minimum, he'll be an upgrade to the Skins coverage and return units.
177. Evan Royster, running back, Penn State: Another solid pick. Fits the Skins offensive scheme. He took a step back his senior year, but I've heard that was mostly due to double digit lbs he packed on. IIRC, he was projected to go much higher prior to the start of the 2010 season.
178. Aldrick Robinson, wide receiver, SMU: Looks like the classic slot wr. May be a practice squad candidate who they can develop.
213. Brandyn Thompson, cornerback, Boise State: This guy's ceiling is nickel/dime back, imo. Probably another practice squad candidate.
217. Maurice Hurt, guard, Florida: Finally an OL was taken! Looks like a guy who fell to the 7th round due to some character red flags. I'm thinking he's another developmental prospect along the lines of the 2 OL they drafted in the 7th last year.
224. Markus White, linebacker, Florida State: Classic gamble at this point in the draft. Talented DE in college, but can he play in space?
253. Chris Neild, nose tackle, West Virginia: Very happy with this pick. Surprised he lasted to the end of the draft as he is a big time run stuffer which is the team's biggest need on defense. Has an excellent shot at making the team and I wouldn't be surprised to see him playing this season as the NT play last season was putrid.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Yea, Bryant is the guy who I couldn't remember. IIRC, he's 26 or 27, so it's not like he's a young prospect, but he was definitely better than Kemo last year, who looked like a shell of himself before his achilles injury.Neild is definitely a fire plug in the middle. Classic run stuffer. Not sure why he fell to the bottom of the 7th. Maybe it was his height? (He's only 6'2")'Sidewinder16 said:
Jason Wood
Zoo York
McIntosh is scheduled to be a FA and is not likely to be back. I think there is a good chance Perry Riley will be a starter this year at ILB.
fatness
Footballguy
I think the Redskins will have at least 4 starters from among their first 5 draft picks by no later than the latter part of this season, assuming there is a season. And I think we'll see Niles Paul on special teams, and that there's a reasonable chance of Gomes making the team as a backup 3rd corner/safety.
If I figured this out correctly, the Redskins turned their 1st round and 5th round pick (#144) into:Ryan Kerrigan (#16)
Leonard Hankerson (#79)
Roy Helu (#105)
Dejon Gomes (#146)
Aldrick Robinson (#178)
Maurice Hurt (#217)
The 5th round pick and Dejon Gomes in nearly a wash. So instead of Blaine Gabbert, the Redskins got Kerrigan, Hankerson, Helu, Robinson, and Hurt. Pretty good if these players develop or of Gabbert is a bust. I do think QBs were way overvalued in this years draft.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Yea, I missed McIntosh with my first post, and I agree that Riley will be the starter. If this happens, it means 3 of the 4 LB's (Fletcher is the exception) will be in their 3rd year or less. If Jenkins starts at RDE as I expect, that means the only major question mark in the front 7 should be at NT, with 4 of those players being super young (3rd year, 2nd year, and 2 rookies).
Sebowski
Footballguy
Thanks. That is the biggest list of possible FA I have ever seen in any year. Great chance we get 6+ starters out of that group.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
JLC compiled a list that assumes 2010 FA rules (6 seasons needed to be a UFA), which would be possible if/when the lockout is lifted again prior to a new CBA. Like last year, the overall FA class is fairly poor as the majority of available players are pushing 30, if they aren't already there.
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Sidewinder16
Footballguy
re: Beck.
Sebowski
Footballguy
I'd rather look at Woods' list and make my own conclusions on the CBA. I don't see any way of them doing 6 years for FA.
I think 6 year for free agency is a given this year and until a new CBA is negotiated. The reasons are:1. 6 years was negotiated in the last CBA. If the lockout is lifted, the owner's goal is to implement a system that will stand up to an antitrust lawsuite. The 2010 rules are the best defense.
2. 6 years is very favorable to the owners and it is a big bargaining chip for them. The owners will not give it up without getting something in return.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
1) I suspect we MAY get 5 years of service time in a new deal, but only because it's an easy meet in the middle and a way for the two sides to claim a deal represents compromise. But I have no basis for feeling that other than it seems to be in good faith
2) If it's "business as usual" in 2011 meaning we stick with 6 years, then yes, there will be precious little on the free agency front that REALLY changes teams fates
2) If it's "business as usual" in 2011 meaning we stick with 6 years, then yes, there will be precious little on the free agency front that REALLY changes teams fates
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
http://www.csnwashington.com/05/05/11/Will-Redskins-continue-new-ways-in-free-/landing_redskins_loud3r.html?blockID=517217&feedID=6458
By Rich Tandler
Redskins Blogger
CSNwashington.com
NFL free agency will start in either a few days or in a couple of months, depending on what three judges in St. Louis decide.
Whenever it starts, the Redskins will be ready. According to Mike Shanahan, the Redskins have been ready since early March, when the league year originally was scheduled to begin. Since the doors could have been opened at any time on a moment’s notice since then, the plan has been in a drawer, waiting for Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith to settle their differences or for the judicial system to do it for them.
When free agency does start, however, it will be far from business as usual for two reasons. First, the usual order of things has been reversed. For the first time since true free agency came to the NFL in 1993, the signing period will come after the draft. That means that the free agency game plan has to be taken out of the drawer and revised to reflect the impact that the 12 players the Redskins drafted last week.
Also, for the second year in a row, it is likely that the free agency pool will be diminished by the rules. By all indications the NFL will implement the same rules that applied in 2010, which means that players will need to be in the league for six years in order to qualify for unrestricted free agency.
The latter provision puts a huge crimp in the plans of the Redskins, who appeared to be setting up to be very aggressive in free agency. They had cleared out a lot of salary cap room, some $30 to $40 million by most estimates, and only one player, Trent Williams, is due any guaranteed money this year. (There will be no salary cap if the 2010 rules are used.) All indications pointed to the Redskins preparing to be in the bidding for a number of players in primes of their careers.
The six-year provision, however, takes a big, young chunk out of the pool of available free agents. At wide receiver, the Vikings’ Sidney Rice, 26, and Green Bay’s James Jones, 27, would have been the premiere names available. Now, the youngest players on the market will be the likes of Braylon Edwards and Michael Clayton, both 28. The biggest names such as Randy Moss and Terrell Owens are well past their primes. Both character and ability questions abound in this group.
The Redskins may well have been considering the mediocrity of the free agent wide receivers when they drafted three wideouts last week. In fact, that may have considered the limited opportunities for improvement available in free agency when they decided to trade back time and time again to increase their number of draft picks from eight, with six of them in the latter stages of the draft, to 12 with at least on pick in every round.
There still is some talent available in free agency and one player in particular will test whether or not the Redskins have changed their ways of throwing big money at big name players. Radiers cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha is set to be a free agent. Cornerback could well be an area of need for the Redskins if Carlos Rogers leaves in free agency. Asomugha, one of the few true shutdown corners in the game today, will command a contract in the neighborhood of $10 million a year.
Under the old philosophy of attempting to buy a championship through free agency, Asomugha would almost certainly be a target of the Redskins. The Redskins would have done whatever accounting magic it took to squeeze him under the cap.
But Asomugha will be 30 in July and he may not have a place on a team trying to get younger. By the time the Redskins should be hitting their stride and ready to contend in a couple of years, they could be in a familiar situation—dealing with a huge contract belonging to a player on the decline and, possibly, a shrinking salary cap.
With the dozen new, young players added to the roster, the draft was a good start in terms of the Redskins starting off in a new direction. In observing what happens in the opening hours of free agency, whenever that may be, we will find out if they are truly embracing the rebuilding process.
Rich Tandler blogs about the Redskins at www.RealRedskins.com. You can reach him by email at RTandlerCSN@comcast.net and follow him on Twitter @Rich_Tandler.
By Rich Tandler
Redskins Blogger
CSNwashington.com
NFL free agency will start in either a few days or in a couple of months, depending on what three judges in St. Louis decide.
Whenever it starts, the Redskins will be ready. According to Mike Shanahan, the Redskins have been ready since early March, when the league year originally was scheduled to begin. Since the doors could have been opened at any time on a moment’s notice since then, the plan has been in a drawer, waiting for Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith to settle their differences or for the judicial system to do it for them.
When free agency does start, however, it will be far from business as usual for two reasons. First, the usual order of things has been reversed. For the first time since true free agency came to the NFL in 1993, the signing period will come after the draft. That means that the free agency game plan has to be taken out of the drawer and revised to reflect the impact that the 12 players the Redskins drafted last week.
Also, for the second year in a row, it is likely that the free agency pool will be diminished by the rules. By all indications the NFL will implement the same rules that applied in 2010, which means that players will need to be in the league for six years in order to qualify for unrestricted free agency.
The latter provision puts a huge crimp in the plans of the Redskins, who appeared to be setting up to be very aggressive in free agency. They had cleared out a lot of salary cap room, some $30 to $40 million by most estimates, and only one player, Trent Williams, is due any guaranteed money this year. (There will be no salary cap if the 2010 rules are used.) All indications pointed to the Redskins preparing to be in the bidding for a number of players in primes of their careers.
The six-year provision, however, takes a big, young chunk out of the pool of available free agents. At wide receiver, the Vikings’ Sidney Rice, 26, and Green Bay’s James Jones, 27, would have been the premiere names available. Now, the youngest players on the market will be the likes of Braylon Edwards and Michael Clayton, both 28. The biggest names such as Randy Moss and Terrell Owens are well past their primes. Both character and ability questions abound in this group.
The Redskins may well have been considering the mediocrity of the free agent wide receivers when they drafted three wideouts last week. In fact, that may have considered the limited opportunities for improvement available in free agency when they decided to trade back time and time again to increase their number of draft picks from eight, with six of them in the latter stages of the draft, to 12 with at least on pick in every round.
There still is some talent available in free agency and one player in particular will test whether or not the Redskins have changed their ways of throwing big money at big name players. Radiers cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha is set to be a free agent. Cornerback could well be an area of need for the Redskins if Carlos Rogers leaves in free agency. Asomugha, one of the few true shutdown corners in the game today, will command a contract in the neighborhood of $10 million a year.
Under the old philosophy of attempting to buy a championship through free agency, Asomugha would almost certainly be a target of the Redskins. The Redskins would have done whatever accounting magic it took to squeeze him under the cap.
But Asomugha will be 30 in July and he may not have a place on a team trying to get younger. By the time the Redskins should be hitting their stride and ready to contend in a couple of years, they could be in a familiar situation—dealing with a huge contract belonging to a player on the decline and, possibly, a shrinking salary cap.
With the dozen new, young players added to the roster, the draft was a good start in terms of the Redskins starting off in a new direction. In observing what happens in the opening hours of free agency, whenever that may be, we will find out if they are truly embracing the rebuilding process.
Rich Tandler blogs about the Redskins at www.RealRedskins.com. You can reach him by email at RTandlerCSN@comcast.net and follow him on Twitter @Rich_Tandler.
Sebowski
Footballguy
I just don't see the players agreeing to the 6yr deal. For that to happen the owners would have to just left the lockout until next year and then have to pull the same mess. I think there will be a new CBA or there won't be football. Hard for me to see them just saying "well, screw it. We tried. Back to last years rules!"
But I know it is all opinions right now. Nobody is more sure of anything than the other.
But I know it is all opinions right now. Nobody is more sure of anything than the other.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Oh, it almost certainly won't be in a new CBA. But there is a significant chance of free agency occurring prior to a new CBA if the stay is lifted. If that occurs, the general consensus seems to be that the league will basically run under 2010 rules (including 6 years of service needed to become a free agent, and no salary cap, among other things) until a new CBA can be agreed upon.
Sebowski
Footballguy
So essentially lifting the stay can backfire against the players. Where would rookie contracts fall in this case? Same scale as years past? Something tells me the owners will want to start free agency but wait to sign their rookies...
Once the lockout is lifted, the owners are required to open the doors and start business. Anything they do is subject to, and probably will be part of an anti-trust lawsuit. By implementing the 2010 rules, it is much less likely the players can win such a lawsuit. So the 2010 rules are almost a given.I believe that once they start the NFL season, even if a CBA is negotiated, the new rules won't take effect until the 2012 season. It would be very difficult to impose a salary cap or introduce a new set of free agents once the 2011 offseason starts. Finally, I think the 2010 rules are fairly favorable to the owners. No salary cap, no salary floor, and 6 years service to be a free agent helps keep the labor costs down. The 2009 rules were favorable to the players. So the new CBA rates to be somewhere in between.Quick note: these are just my opinions.'Sidewinder16 said:
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nfl/Vince_Young/1604468/the-south-florida-south-sentinel-hears-that-the
The South Florida Sentinel "hears that Redskins are frontrunners for Vince Young.
great news for you Skins fans.
The South Florida Sentinel "hears that Redskins are frontrunners for Vince Young.
great news for you Skins fans.
Eastwood
Footballguy
Sebowski
Footballguy
Wouldn't restricting a player's movement who's contract has expired by using RFA or a Franchise tag be as anti-trust as it gets?
FWIW: here is what the whole piece says:The South Florida South-Sentinel "hears" that the Redskins are the front-runners for Vince Young's services this offseason. We're not sure why Dolphins beat writer Omar Kelly would have the news before those who actually follow tje Redskins, so take this with the requisite grain of salt. [...]Before we go on a rampage against Snyder and Shanahan, just remember that there are tons of these "rumors" out there -- with some being true and many being false. Why, just before the draft, "NFL sources" confirmed that the Redskins would trade up to the # 2 pick to select Gabbert. Then the Redskins didn't even take Gabbert with the # 10!That said, I am going to go out on a limb here and say there is no way in Heck that the Redskins sign Vince Young. After a year with Albert, no way Shanny brings in another surefire head case. I'm going to say "no way" on this one. And why is the story out in Florida before DC? Hmmm...maybe someone's agent is stirring up rumors in order to feret out interest...
The players have already negotiated, agreed to, and played a number of years with the RFA and Franchise tag provisions. It is difficult for them as a group to claim it is anticompetitive when they collective bargained for it. That is why implementing the 2010 rules is the path most likely to stand up to a court case.
I am ok with bringing in Vince Young is Shanahan and Allen think they can keep Young's head screwed on straight. The athletic talent is there.I am against them breaking the bank to throw piles of money at him and then be stuck if the relationship goes sour. If they sign him to a one year tryout deal and he acts like a moron and just does not produce, they can cut him like a Larry Johnson and be done with him.And it is very fishy that the rumors are coming out of Miami, who many think need a QB. Sounds like an agent trying to drum up some intetest for his client.FWIW: here is what the whole piece says:The South Florida South-Sentinel "hears" that the Redskins are the front-runners for Vince Young's services this offseason. We're not sure why Dolphins beat writer Omar Kelly would have the news before those who actually follow tje Redskins, so take this with the requisite grain of salt. [...]Before we go on a rampage against Snyder and Shanahan, just remember that there are tons of these "rumors" out there -- with some being true and many being false. Why, just before the draft, "NFL sources" confirmed that the Redskins would trade up to the # 2 pick to select Gabbert. Then the Redskins didn't even take Gabbert with the # 10!That said, I am going to go out on a limb here and say there is no way in Heck that the Redskins sign Vince Young. After a year with Albert, no way Shanny brings in another surefire head case. I'm going to say "no way" on this one. And why is the story out in Florida before DC? Hmmm...maybe someone's agent is stirring up rumors in order to feret out interest...
Sebowski
Footballguy
I'm going to keep playing Devil's Advocate here...Decertifying would take care of that. Also, what they agreed and played for was the rules that were in place two years ago. Last year's rules were put in place as a provision to keep the league going after the owners chose to void the the CBA. It isn't really what the players collectively bargained for (if that even matters after decertifying).
Eastwood
Footballguy
As Fitz dynasty owner my reaction is 
HPD
Footballguy
The 2010 rules were part of the previous CBA. They were negotiated and agreed to by the players and owners. The owners could try to implement their last proposal to the players prior to the breakdown in negotiations. That is a legimate stance, althogh subject to an sntirust suit.I have must about exhausted my knowledge on this subject (maybe even exceeded it).
Who knows if he'll start or be any good, but there was a few interesting pieces about John Beck from the Washington Post. No matter how it turns out, you have to love his attitude: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-quarterback-john-becks-chance-to-start-may-be-nearing/2011/05/10/AFx8RpqG_story.html
Redskins quarterback John Beck’s chance to start may be nearing
By Mike Jones, Published: May 11
John Beck likens the last three years to being in a hole. He slipped into it somewhere between his rookie and sophomore seasons in the NFL, and he’s been trying to scratch and claw his way out ever since.
Now, just maybe, he’s finally getting to the surface. It appears that the 29-year-old quarterback’s first real chance of starting in the NFL again could be within reach.
Last month, Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan passed on the opportunity to draft Missouri’s Blaine Gabbert – one of the top two quarterbacks in the NFL draft – and didn’t take a passer with any of Washington’s other 11 picks. Once the draft concluded, Shanahan said the Redskins already have a promising young quarterback on the roster.
“Let me say, when John Beck did come out” of Brigham Young University in 2007, “I had him rated as the top quarterback coming out that year, and I didn’t even think it was close,” Shanahan said. “I evaluate the quarterbacks every year, and I do have confidence in John Beck.”
When pressed whether that meant Beck would be his starter in 2011, Shanahan said: “I’m not going to go into specifics.” But Beck said he has been told he will compete for the job, the opportunity he has been seeking for three years.
If Beck does wind up starting for Washington, it will be the payoff for a series of moves he made to revive his career. He spent the summer of 2009 studying and training with quarterbacks Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers in San Diego. Last year, he moved his family there from Fort Lauderdale so he could continue working with the Super Bowl-winning passers each offseason.
Cam Cameron, Beck’s head coach in Miami and offensive coordinator in Baltimore, suggested the arrangement because he saw similarities in Beck’s and Brees’ skills.
“He has always been tough, he is extremely bright and coming out of college, we just thought he was extremely accurate, and that is still true to this day,” Cameron said. “Just like most guys, it takes time to develop. There is no doubt he has starting NFL ability.”
Last season, while he was learning offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan’s playbook, Beck spent every Tuesday – usually NFL players’ off day – breaking down game film on his own and throwing to practice squad receivers.
When the Redskins convened last month for a voluntary two-day workout organized by the players, Beck flew from San Diego to take part. Rex Grossman, who is a free agent after he started the last three games of 2010, was there as well.
When the NFL announced on April 28 that it would comply with Judge Susan Richard Nelson’s ruling to lift the lockout, Beck took the first flight out of San Diego so he could spend time with Kyle Shanahan the next day.
“Every decision I made, I felt it was the best decision to take me in the direction I was trying to go,” Beck said. “I was trying to put myself in position to battle for a starting job.”
Beck spent only a few hours with his offensive coordinator. After going over some film, they were breaking down plays when Mike Shanahan walked in and announced that an appeals court had granted the NFL permission to reimpose the lockout, meaning Beck would have to leave.
Beck counts even those few hours as invaluable. He remained in the Washington area the next week to continue training with teammates, further developing chemistry while earning their respect.
“I just think it’s big that he’s out here, coming all the way from California,” said Anthony Armstrong, the top Washington receiver under contract. “It shows the drive he has to succeed. Flying over 2,500 miles, being away from his family.”
Beck completed a three-year Mormon mission before attending BYU.
As a senior, he passed for 3,885 yards with 32 touchdowns and eight interceptions while completing 69.3 percent of his passes.
He was drafted 40th overall by Miami in 2007 to be the team’s quarterback of the future. As a rookie, he was 60-for-107 for 559 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions and was sacked 10 times in five games. Then Bill Parcells took over the team and brought in a new GM and coach, as well as Chad Pennington at quarterback. Beck backed up Pennington in 2008 and was cut the following year, then signed with Baltimore before the 2009 season.
The Redskins acquired him in a trade with Baltimore last August, but Beck spent most of last season as the third-string quarterback, behind Donovan McNabb and Grossman. Shanahan benched McNabb for the final three games, creating uncertainty about the team’s quarterback position. But the move gave Beck hope.
While Shanahan was making his post-draft comments, Beck was in an Ashburn-area hotel room relaxing after spending the day — his seventh wedding anniversary — throwing passes to Armstrong. Beck’s wife, Barbara, and their three young boys — ages 4 years, 2 years and seven months — were back in San Diego.
“You just hope that all the hard work pays off and you can dig yourself out of the hole and you find yourself in a good situation where the coach believes in you,” Beck said. “So to hear Coach Shanahan say those things. . . that bodes well for me because I’ve worked as hard as I can for years, hoping that when I do get in a situation, that it would be like this.”
Redskins quarterback John Beck’s chance to start may be nearing
By Mike Jones, Published: May 11
John Beck likens the last three years to being in a hole. He slipped into it somewhere between his rookie and sophomore seasons in the NFL, and he’s been trying to scratch and claw his way out ever since.
Now, just maybe, he’s finally getting to the surface. It appears that the 29-year-old quarterback’s first real chance of starting in the NFL again could be within reach.
Last month, Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan passed on the opportunity to draft Missouri’s Blaine Gabbert – one of the top two quarterbacks in the NFL draft – and didn’t take a passer with any of Washington’s other 11 picks. Once the draft concluded, Shanahan said the Redskins already have a promising young quarterback on the roster.
“Let me say, when John Beck did come out” of Brigham Young University in 2007, “I had him rated as the top quarterback coming out that year, and I didn’t even think it was close,” Shanahan said. “I evaluate the quarterbacks every year, and I do have confidence in John Beck.”
When pressed whether that meant Beck would be his starter in 2011, Shanahan said: “I’m not going to go into specifics.” But Beck said he has been told he will compete for the job, the opportunity he has been seeking for three years.
If Beck does wind up starting for Washington, it will be the payoff for a series of moves he made to revive his career. He spent the summer of 2009 studying and training with quarterbacks Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers in San Diego. Last year, he moved his family there from Fort Lauderdale so he could continue working with the Super Bowl-winning passers each offseason.
Cam Cameron, Beck’s head coach in Miami and offensive coordinator in Baltimore, suggested the arrangement because he saw similarities in Beck’s and Brees’ skills.
“He has always been tough, he is extremely bright and coming out of college, we just thought he was extremely accurate, and that is still true to this day,” Cameron said. “Just like most guys, it takes time to develop. There is no doubt he has starting NFL ability.”
Last season, while he was learning offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan’s playbook, Beck spent every Tuesday – usually NFL players’ off day – breaking down game film on his own and throwing to practice squad receivers.
When the Redskins convened last month for a voluntary two-day workout organized by the players, Beck flew from San Diego to take part. Rex Grossman, who is a free agent after he started the last three games of 2010, was there as well.
When the NFL announced on April 28 that it would comply with Judge Susan Richard Nelson’s ruling to lift the lockout, Beck took the first flight out of San Diego so he could spend time with Kyle Shanahan the next day.
“Every decision I made, I felt it was the best decision to take me in the direction I was trying to go,” Beck said. “I was trying to put myself in position to battle for a starting job.”
Beck spent only a few hours with his offensive coordinator. After going over some film, they were breaking down plays when Mike Shanahan walked in and announced that an appeals court had granted the NFL permission to reimpose the lockout, meaning Beck would have to leave.
Beck counts even those few hours as invaluable. He remained in the Washington area the next week to continue training with teammates, further developing chemistry while earning their respect.
“I just think it’s big that he’s out here, coming all the way from California,” said Anthony Armstrong, the top Washington receiver under contract. “It shows the drive he has to succeed. Flying over 2,500 miles, being away from his family.”
Beck completed a three-year Mormon mission before attending BYU.
As a senior, he passed for 3,885 yards with 32 touchdowns and eight interceptions while completing 69.3 percent of his passes.
He was drafted 40th overall by Miami in 2007 to be the team’s quarterback of the future. As a rookie, he was 60-for-107 for 559 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions and was sacked 10 times in five games. Then Bill Parcells took over the team and brought in a new GM and coach, as well as Chad Pennington at quarterback. Beck backed up Pennington in 2008 and was cut the following year, then signed with Baltimore before the 2009 season.
The Redskins acquired him in a trade with Baltimore last August, but Beck spent most of last season as the third-string quarterback, behind Donovan McNabb and Grossman. Shanahan benched McNabb for the final three games, creating uncertainty about the team’s quarterback position. But the move gave Beck hope.
While Shanahan was making his post-draft comments, Beck was in an Ashburn-area hotel room relaxing after spending the day — his seventh wedding anniversary — throwing passes to Armstrong. Beck’s wife, Barbara, and their three young boys — ages 4 years, 2 years and seven months — were back in San Diego.
“You just hope that all the hard work pays off and you can dig yourself out of the hole and you find yourself in a good situation where the coach believes in you,” Beck said. “So to hear Coach Shanahan say those things. . . that bodes well for me because I’ve worked as hard as I can for years, hoping that when I do get in a situation, that it would be like this.”
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Here's another. I don't know about loving the losing feeling (lol) but do like that he is trying to fill a leadership void on offense: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/john-beck-is-already-being-a-leader/2011/05/10/AFrLyOgG_blog.html
John Beck is already being a leader
By Dan Steinberg
Redskins rookie running back Evan Royster was on WRC’s “Sports Final” this week, and was asked whether any of his new teammates have reached out to him.
“I talked to John Beck,” Royster said. “He sent me some of the install stuff the first day. I mean, I’m just trying to get a grasp on the playbook a little bit now.”
Wait, so John Beck is now the guy reaching out to rookies? Yeah, and he’s the guy helping to plan offseason workouts, too.
“We have stuff going on,” Beck told 102.1 The Game in a recent interview. “We have plans in the future for another big giant group, full-team type deal, like we did last time — and hopefully we get some more guys out — but we have things. This is important to us, it’s important to the Redskins, to the players. We’re doing the best we can in this kind of crummy situation. We’re trying to find a way so when the doors are open, we can go out there and be the best football team we can be.”
Mike Shanahan, remember, said he “think(s) the world” of Beck after the Redskins declined to draft a quarterback. And so now Beck is sending out install stuff and helping plan workouts, oh, and also giving passionate quotes to radio stations on the meaning of football. Here’s what he said when asked what kind of player he’d be. Please imagine some regal NFL Films instrumentals in the background.
“I love football,” Beck said. “I love playing the game. I love standing in there on third down and getting whacked in the chin and completing a pass and quieting the crowd. When you’re playing on the road and it’s third down and they’re screaming, and you can rip a pass in there and get it and shut em all up? I love it.
“I love scoring a touchdown and knowing exactly what that person that I threw the touchdown pass to put into it. I like knowing that my O-line never gets to touch the football, but they’re busting their butts because they want to win, and they’re ok with not touching the football....
“I love seeing everybody excited. I love the feeling after the game when you put in all that work and you won. And at times, even though I hate losing, sometimes I love the feeling after a loss, when you say you know what, that sucked, and I never want that to happen again. Let’s find a way to work even harder, let’s find a way to play even better so we can go out there and win next week. Sometimes I love that feeling.
“There’s SO many feelings that I have missed because I haven’t been able to be the guy. I’ve been the backup. I can’t tell you, I’m so excited for the first time in a real game that I get drilled under the chin while throwing the ball. I’m probably gonna smile, because I’ve missed it so much.”
This is already getting long, but one of the chief complaints from some Redskins fans about Beck’s bizarre snap-less rise up the depth chart has gone like this: If he’s so awesome, how come he’s this far into his career without ever being the guy? Well, first, you have to look at what happened to him in Miami. Beck explained:
“When [bill Parcells] first got there, I really liked Bill,”the quarterback said. “Bill treated me like I was gonna be the guy. I would be in the weight room working out and he would come and stand by my squat rack, talk to me. He’d catch me in the hall or he’d tell somebody hey John, Bill wants to see you. I’d go sit in his office and he’d tell me hey I believe that you can do this for us, I really like what you do, I think you remind me a lot of Tony Romo, things are gonna be great.
“And then all of the sudden Brett Favre goes to the Jets, Chad Pennington becomes available, boom, that was it, done. And I went from competing for the starting job with Josh McCown to then the No. 3 on the roster overnight. So it was crazy, and then as the season went on they focused on Chad Pennington’s our guy, Chad Henne’s who we drafted.
“So when the season ended, I went in and asked for a release. I kind of saw the writing on the wall. I don’t want to be the backup. That’s not why I play the game. I’m not the type of person who can be happy getting a paycheck and not playing. I want to be the guy playing, and I went and asked for a release, and me and Bill got into it a little bit there. So at this point, I’m not the biggest Tuna fan.”
And what about with the Redskins last fall? Why didn’t Beck get a shot when Donovan McNabb got benched?
“Coach Shanahan knows what he’s doing,” Beck said. “He has a plan, always. And if I’m the head coach, and I have a player that has only been on my team a couple months, that didn’t do OTAs with me, has never ever been in the West Coast Offense, who just barely had to start learning the offense....When that season ended, I had hundreds of questions for Kyle Shanahan — ok, now that we don’t have to play anybody, I have questions, because I’m still learning this offense. So I think Coach Shanahan knew that.”
And so, his status in 2011 as the presumed starter?
“Obviously nothing’s done,” Beck said. “Right now, where we stand, it looks like that’s gonna be a great opportunity for me to battle for the job and to go out there and prove that I can do it.”
John Beck is already being a leader
By Dan Steinberg
Redskins rookie running back Evan Royster was on WRC’s “Sports Final” this week, and was asked whether any of his new teammates have reached out to him.
“I talked to John Beck,” Royster said. “He sent me some of the install stuff the first day. I mean, I’m just trying to get a grasp on the playbook a little bit now.”
Wait, so John Beck is now the guy reaching out to rookies? Yeah, and he’s the guy helping to plan offseason workouts, too.
“We have stuff going on,” Beck told 102.1 The Game in a recent interview. “We have plans in the future for another big giant group, full-team type deal, like we did last time — and hopefully we get some more guys out — but we have things. This is important to us, it’s important to the Redskins, to the players. We’re doing the best we can in this kind of crummy situation. We’re trying to find a way so when the doors are open, we can go out there and be the best football team we can be.”
Mike Shanahan, remember, said he “think(s) the world” of Beck after the Redskins declined to draft a quarterback. And so now Beck is sending out install stuff and helping plan workouts, oh, and also giving passionate quotes to radio stations on the meaning of football. Here’s what he said when asked what kind of player he’d be. Please imagine some regal NFL Films instrumentals in the background.
“I love football,” Beck said. “I love playing the game. I love standing in there on third down and getting whacked in the chin and completing a pass and quieting the crowd. When you’re playing on the road and it’s third down and they’re screaming, and you can rip a pass in there and get it and shut em all up? I love it.
“I love scoring a touchdown and knowing exactly what that person that I threw the touchdown pass to put into it. I like knowing that my O-line never gets to touch the football, but they’re busting their butts because they want to win, and they’re ok with not touching the football....
“I love seeing everybody excited. I love the feeling after the game when you put in all that work and you won. And at times, even though I hate losing, sometimes I love the feeling after a loss, when you say you know what, that sucked, and I never want that to happen again. Let’s find a way to work even harder, let’s find a way to play even better so we can go out there and win next week. Sometimes I love that feeling.
“There’s SO many feelings that I have missed because I haven’t been able to be the guy. I’ve been the backup. I can’t tell you, I’m so excited for the first time in a real game that I get drilled under the chin while throwing the ball. I’m probably gonna smile, because I’ve missed it so much.”
This is already getting long, but one of the chief complaints from some Redskins fans about Beck’s bizarre snap-less rise up the depth chart has gone like this: If he’s so awesome, how come he’s this far into his career without ever being the guy? Well, first, you have to look at what happened to him in Miami. Beck explained:
“When [bill Parcells] first got there, I really liked Bill,”the quarterback said. “Bill treated me like I was gonna be the guy. I would be in the weight room working out and he would come and stand by my squat rack, talk to me. He’d catch me in the hall or he’d tell somebody hey John, Bill wants to see you. I’d go sit in his office and he’d tell me hey I believe that you can do this for us, I really like what you do, I think you remind me a lot of Tony Romo, things are gonna be great.
“And then all of the sudden Brett Favre goes to the Jets, Chad Pennington becomes available, boom, that was it, done. And I went from competing for the starting job with Josh McCown to then the No. 3 on the roster overnight. So it was crazy, and then as the season went on they focused on Chad Pennington’s our guy, Chad Henne’s who we drafted.
“So when the season ended, I went in and asked for a release. I kind of saw the writing on the wall. I don’t want to be the backup. That’s not why I play the game. I’m not the type of person who can be happy getting a paycheck and not playing. I want to be the guy playing, and I went and asked for a release, and me and Bill got into it a little bit there. So at this point, I’m not the biggest Tuna fan.”
And what about with the Redskins last fall? Why didn’t Beck get a shot when Donovan McNabb got benched?
“Coach Shanahan knows what he’s doing,” Beck said. “He has a plan, always. And if I’m the head coach, and I have a player that has only been on my team a couple months, that didn’t do OTAs with me, has never ever been in the West Coast Offense, who just barely had to start learning the offense....When that season ended, I had hundreds of questions for Kyle Shanahan — ok, now that we don’t have to play anybody, I have questions, because I’m still learning this offense. So I think Coach Shanahan knew that.”
And so, his status in 2011 as the presumed starter?
“Obviously nothing’s done,” Beck said. “Right now, where we stand, it looks like that’s gonna be a great opportunity for me to battle for the job and to go out there and prove that I can do it.”
dgreen
Footballguy
Anyone hear the McNabb story on the Junkies this morning? They kept teasing it on my commute this morning, but they didn't get to it before I had to go into work. Here are some Eric Bickel (member of the Junkies) tweets:
Anyone hear the whole story? Anything else discussed? Sounds like some people are assuming this is just the Redskins continuing an attack on McNabb.
dgreen
Footballguy
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Apparently, the Washington Times sports department is back in business after shutting it's doors nearly a year and a half ago. Rich Campbell moved over there and looks to be handling their Redskins blog (Redskins Watch).
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I'm not sure why I care...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/18/rex-grossman-i-definitely-feel-like-i%E2%80%99m-the-starter-but-i%E2%80%99m-not-even-signed-yet/
Rex Grossman: “I definitely feel like I’m the starter, but I’m not even signed yet”
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on May 18, 2011, 2:45 PM EDT
John Beck, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman AP
Nothing screams Lockout 2011 more than John Beck and a vaguely depressing quarterback controversy in Washington.
Cindy Boren of the Washington Post has dubbed it Quarterback Controversy Lite, and the various interviews from Beck has helped fuel the fire the last few days. Rex Grossman, the forgotten man, finally chimed in Wednesday.
“If you ask me, I definitely feel like I’m the starter, but I’m not even signed yet. I’m assuming a lot of things here,” Grossman said on ESPN 980, via Boren.
Grossman called Beck a “great guy” and would expect him to say he’s the starter too. When asked who should be the starter, Grossman made it clear he expects to be back in Washington.
“I’m not going to say John Beck. I’m going to say me if I’m going to pick somebody. I would like this to be answered by the coaches and decided by competition,” Grossman said.
If the Redskins saw Grossman as the starter, they would be quietly pushing him as the starter through the media like they are with Beck. (Grossman isn’t signed, but that’s largely Shanahan’s choice. And Alex Smith being un-signed hasn’t stopped the 49ers from calling him the starter.)
The Redskins aren’t pushing Grossman behind the scenes, which is one reason why he’s more likely to Beck’s backup or playing elsewhere.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/18/rex-grossman-i-definitely-feel-like-i%E2%80%99m-the-starter-but-i%E2%80%99m-not-even-signed-yet/
Rex Grossman: “I definitely feel like I’m the starter, but I’m not even signed yet”
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on May 18, 2011, 2:45 PM EDT
John Beck, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman AP
Nothing screams Lockout 2011 more than John Beck and a vaguely depressing quarterback controversy in Washington.
Cindy Boren of the Washington Post has dubbed it Quarterback Controversy Lite, and the various interviews from Beck has helped fuel the fire the last few days. Rex Grossman, the forgotten man, finally chimed in Wednesday.
“If you ask me, I definitely feel like I’m the starter, but I’m not even signed yet. I’m assuming a lot of things here,” Grossman said on ESPN 980, via Boren.
Grossman called Beck a “great guy” and would expect him to say he’s the starter too. When asked who should be the starter, Grossman made it clear he expects to be back in Washington.
“I’m not going to say John Beck. I’m going to say me if I’m going to pick somebody. I would like this to be answered by the coaches and decided by competition,” Grossman said.
If the Redskins saw Grossman as the starter, they would be quietly pushing him as the starter through the media like they are with Beck. (Grossman isn’t signed, but that’s largely Shanahan’s choice. And Alex Smith being un-signed hasn’t stopped the 49ers from calling him the starter.)
The Redskins aren’t pushing Grossman behind the scenes, which is one reason why he’s more likely to Beck’s backup or playing elsewhere.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-players-planning-more-group-workouts/2011/05/16/AFnjqm5G_blog.html
Redskins players planning more group workouts
By Mike Jones
Washington Redskins players are planning a second round of group workouts next week.
The players plan on gathering for three days, a day more than the first group workouts that took place April 19th and 20th at a high school in Northern Virginia, according to co-captain Lorenzo Alexander and two other players who asked not to be identified. The workouts are tentatively scheduled for Tuesday,Wednesday and Thursday while school is in session.
Linebacker London Fletcher organized the previous workouts, which drew about 20 players the first day and 30 the second day.
Some players flew in from as far away as California, Texas, Louisiana, and Florida to take part in what was the players’ first group activity of this unusual offseason. Several players, including quarterback Rex Grossman, linebacker Rocky McIntosh and defensive end Kedric Golston, took part despite not having contracts for the 2011 season.
The players went through positional drills and ran seven-on-seven plays with Fletcher calling defensive plays and Grossman and fellow quarterback John Beck leading the offense.
Since then, a smaller group of players has gotten together for occasional workout sessions.
Normally, the team’s offseason conditioning program would have begun at Redskins Park in mid- to late March, and offseason practices (organized team activities) would start within the next two weeks.
But the NFL lockout has prevented players from training at team facilities. The lockout was lifted during the last week of April, and players were allowed into team facilities for a single day on April 29th. But later that day, the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals allowed owners to reimpose the lockout and workouts were halted again.
On Monday the same three appellate judges granted the owners a permanent stay, meaning the lockout will remain in place at least until the June 3 hearing that will determine whether Judge Susan Richard Nelson’s ruling that the lockout was unlawful will stand.
Until then, the Redskins players — who also are prevented from having any contact with coaches and trainers — will continue to train on their own.
Redskins players planning more group workouts
By Mike Jones
Washington Redskins players are planning a second round of group workouts next week.
The players plan on gathering for three days, a day more than the first group workouts that took place April 19th and 20th at a high school in Northern Virginia, according to co-captain Lorenzo Alexander and two other players who asked not to be identified. The workouts are tentatively scheduled for Tuesday,Wednesday and Thursday while school is in session.
Linebacker London Fletcher organized the previous workouts, which drew about 20 players the first day and 30 the second day.
Some players flew in from as far away as California, Texas, Louisiana, and Florida to take part in what was the players’ first group activity of this unusual offseason. Several players, including quarterback Rex Grossman, linebacker Rocky McIntosh and defensive end Kedric Golston, took part despite not having contracts for the 2011 season.
The players went through positional drills and ran seven-on-seven plays with Fletcher calling defensive plays and Grossman and fellow quarterback John Beck leading the offense.
Since then, a smaller group of players has gotten together for occasional workout sessions.
Normally, the team’s offseason conditioning program would have begun at Redskins Park in mid- to late March, and offseason practices (organized team activities) would start within the next two weeks.
But the NFL lockout has prevented players from training at team facilities. The lockout was lifted during the last week of April, and players were allowed into team facilities for a single day on April 29th. But later that day, the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals allowed owners to reimpose the lockout and workouts were halted again.
On Monday the same three appellate judges granted the owners a permanent stay, meaning the lockout will remain in place at least until the June 3 hearing that will determine whether Judge Susan Richard Nelson’s ruling that the lockout was unlawful will stand.
Until then, the Redskins players — who also are prevented from having any contact with coaches and trainers — will continue to train on their own.
Sebowski
Footballguy
PFT is such a joke. I don't think it is a very wise move to tout a FA as your starter no matter what the 49ers are doing. Whether they believe it or not, it makes much more sense to talk about anyone already on your roster as a starter.
fatness
Footballguy
Russ Lande, talking to John KeimI think they had a good draft also, although not as good as Lande says. I think Robinson, Royster, and Neild are longshots to become contributors, but with the lack of talent on the roster that does open things up for them a bit. Neild is likely to become the underdog-everyone-is-rooting-for like Anthony Armstrong last year. I still think they'll end up with 4 starters out of this draft.
dhockster
Footballguy
I read comments like the one about Neild that he "never takes a play off", and all I can see in my mind is Albert Haynesworth lying on the ground against the Eagles, waiting for the play to end. By all that I have read, the Redskins appear to have had a very good draft.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
In the post-draft presser, Shanahan seemed to really emphasize the concepts of character and depth. He talked a lot about how the trade downs to add more picks helps to add depth, and he talked a lot about the character of particular players. Especially regarding things like the "never takes plays off" line and how certain players were "students of the game" and simply loved competing and playing football.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Keim posted some ovservations, as well.
Love seeing Golston and Alexander (mentioned in Mike Jones' article) taking initiative and giving the rookies some individual attention. Also of note, Alexander looking to play some ILB this year.
Not sure if it can be considered an indicator of things to come, but it's interesting to see FAs like Grossman and McIntosh participating in these player-run practices, but other FAs like Moss, Rogers and Jammal Brown are not. Although, Rich Campbell touches on why it may be prudent for guys like that not to be there:
Love seeing Golston and Alexander (mentioned in Mike Jones' article) taking initiative and giving the rookies some individual attention. Also of note, Alexander looking to play some ILB this year.
Not sure if it can be considered an indicator of things to come, but it's interesting to see FAs like Grossman and McIntosh participating in these player-run practices, but other FAs like Moss, Rogers and Jammal Brown are not. Although, Rich Campbell touches on why it may be prudent for guys like that not to be there:
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