***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[jbobbett]

Dodged a bullet...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/the-redskins-once-offered-two-no-1-picks-for-chad-ochocinco/2011/05/25/AGnj6KBH_blog.html

Hard to believe how bad Cerrato was:

I mean, I was part of trying to trade for Chad Ochocinco, and when they said no, they meant no. And Marvin [Lewis] would have done it. Two No. 1s, thats exactly what it was. And I talked to Katie Blackburns husband all the time, and he just said listen. I talked to him at the owners meetings, and I called him. He said no is no, quit calling, were not trading him....

 

[Sidewinder16]

Dodged a bullet...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/the-redskins-once-offered-two-no-1-picks-for-chad-ochocinco/2011/05/25/AGnj6KBH_blog.html

Hard to believe how bad Cerrato was:

I mean, I was part of trying to trade for Chad Ochocinco, and when they said no, they meant no. And Marvin [Lewis] would have done it. Two No. 1s, that’s exactly what it was. And I talked to Katie Blackburn’s husband all the time, and he just said listen. I talked to him at the owners’ meetings, and I called him. He said no is no, quit calling, we’re not trading him....

Also from that blog post:

“Drew [Rosenhaus] was pushing it hard, Chad was pushing it hard, and you know what, I think it worked out best for the Redskins that it didn’t happen at the time. I think we ended up with Orapko [sic] and somebody else, so I think that worked out well, and Chad has declined quickly.”

Words can not express how happy I am to see Cerrato out of the organization.And I find it hard to believe that he still can't pronounce Orakpo's name. It's harder, for me at least, to get "Orapko" out of my mouth than it is "Orakpo".

 

[Eastwood]

I honestly believe in 1 more year the Skins will be considered a great organization again. Not saying SB contenders mind you, but with Cerrato gone and Snyder seemingly out of the way, only good things can happen now.

 

[Harjiran]

I honestly believe in 1 more year the Skins will be considered a great organization again. Not saying SB contenders mind you, but with Cerrato gone and Snyder seemingly out of the way, only good things can happen now.

I'm also somewhat optimistic but I'm trying to temper it. Dan Snyder still owns the team and he has seemed "out of the way" before, like when he hired Marty Schottenheimer and supposedly turned the football operations over to him, then canned him after going 8-8. Downward spiral from there, with Spurrier and our good friend Vinny. If Mike Shanahan has another tough year with this rebuilding team, how safe is his job? How safe is Bruce Allen's job? I really don't know the extent to which Snyder has bought into the idea of a patient, rational, slow, non-flashy rebuilding process. That being said, removing Cerrato from the equation was huge. I don't think there's ever been a bigger buffoon working the front office of a professional sports team. Another great Snyder hire!

 

[fatness]

Dodged a bullet...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/the-redskins-once-offered-two-no-1-picks-for-chad-ochocinco/2011/05/25/AGnj6KBH_blog.html

Hard to believe how bad Cerrato was:

I mean, I was part of trying to trade for Chad Ochocinco, and when they said no, they meant no. And Marvin [Lewis] would have done it. Two No. 1s, that’s exactly what it was. And I talked to Katie Blackburn’s husband all the time, and he just said listen. I talked to him at the owners’ meetings, and I called him. He said no is no, quit calling, we’re not trading him....

I was going to post that if no one else had. It's amazing how bad he was. He's still embarrassing the team.

Also from that blog post:

“Drew [Rosenhaus] was pushing it hard, Chad was pushing it hard, and you know what, I think it worked out best for the Redskins that it didn’t happen at the time. I think we ended up with Orapko [sic] and somebody else, so I think that worked out well, and Chad has declined quickly.”

Words can not express how happy I am to see Cerrato out of the organization.And I find it hard to believe that he still can't pronounce Orakpo's name. It's harder, for me at least, to get "Orapko" out of my mouth than it is "Orakpo".

I heard the recording of him saying it on the radio. He pronounce it Arokpo.

 

[fatness]

Golston was slow to get up after a play and a teammate called out

"All right Haynesworth, get up,"--a reference to Haynesworth’s infamous nap play against the Eagles last season. Golston, like the rest of his teammates, had a good chuckle and then got up.

The offensive linemen got worked up when John Beck checked down and connected with guard Kory Lichtensteiger, who had lined up as an extra tight end, for a touchdown pass from five yards out. Lichtensteiger’s fellow linemen gave a loud cheer as the left guard made a juggling catch.

Players' workouts.

 

[Marvelous]

Dodged a bullet...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/the-redskins-once-offered-two-no-1-picks-for-chad-ochocinco/2011/05/25/AGnj6KBH_blog.html

Hard to believe how bad Cerrato was:

I mean, I was part of trying to trade for Chad Ochocinco, and when they said no, they meant no. And Marvin [Lewis] would have done it. Two No. 1s, that’s exactly what it was. And I talked to Katie Blackburn’s husband all the time, and he just said listen. I talked to him at the owners’ meetings, and I called him. He said no is no, quit calling, we’re not trading him....

Also from that blog post:

“Drew [Rosenhaus] was pushing it hard, Chad was pushing it hard, and you know what, I think it worked out best for the Redskins that it didn’t happen at the time. I think we ended up with Orapko [sic] and somebody else, so I think that worked out well, and Chad has declined quickly.”

Words can not express how happy I am to see Cerrato out of the organization.And I find it hard to believe that he still can't pronounce Orakpo's name. It's harder, for me at least, to get "Orapko" out of my mouth than it is "Orakpo".

It is pretty sad when you need a blunder by the Bungles to save you. And what an incredibly bad decision by the Bengals. Part of me did not believe the two number 1's for Johnson since it is such a no brainer for the Bengals to accept the offer.

 

[Sidewinder16]

I know it's only May, and, especially w/ the lockout, just about anything printed right now is fluff, but the more I read about Leonard Hankerson, the more I like him.

Homer McFanboy talks to a Miami reporter about Hankerson.

Also interesting from that post, that I don't think I had specifically heard yet:

I talked to Santana Moss earlier this offseason and he told me point blank that if it’s up to him, he’ll be back in Washington next season. I believe the exact phrase he used during our chat was “the grass isn’t always greener,” so I guess it’s going to come down to whether or not the Redskins’ front office wants him back.

 

[MikeApf]

I know it's only May, and, especially w/ the lockout, just about anything printed right now is fluff, but the more I read about Leonard Hankerson, the more I like him.

Homer McFanboy talks to a Miami reporter about Hankerson.

Also interesting from that post, that I don't think I had specifically heard yet:

I talked to Santana Moss earlier this offseason and he told me point blank that if it’s up to him, he’ll be back in Washington next season. I believe the exact phrase he used during our chat was “the grass isn’t always greener,” so I guess it’s going to come down to whether or not the Redskins’ front office wants him back.

I think the Redskins need to sign Moss. Maybe he's not Andre Johnson, but he is a bird in the hand. He plays hard, knows the system, and he was actually fairly productive last season. The Redskins have so many needs, that they need to resign as many of these folks as they can and just focus Free Agency on what they really don't have on their roster. For instance, they need to do whatever possible to resign Carlos Rodgers too. Sure he has stone hands and can't catch a cold, but he can cover and resigning him would at least not put too much pressure on getting a CB in free agency. Ditto with Moss.

 

[MikeApf]

Dodged a bullet...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/the-redskins-once-offered-two-no-1-picks-for-chad-ochocinco/2011/05/25/AGnj6KBH_blog.html

Hard to believe how bad Cerrato was:

I mean, I was part of trying to trade for Chad Ochocinco, and when they said no, they meant no. And Marvin [Lewis] would have done it. Two No. 1s, that’s exactly what it was. And I talked to Katie Blackburn’s husband all the time, and he just said listen. I talked to him at the owners’ meetings, and I called him. He said no is no, quit calling, we’re not trading him....

I was going to post that if no one else had. It's amazing how bad he was. He's still embarrassing the team.

Also from that blog post:

“Drew [Rosenhaus] was pushing it hard, Chad was pushing it hard, and you know what, I think it worked out best for the Redskins that it didn’t happen at the time. I think we ended up with Orapko [sic] and somebody else, so I think that worked out well, and Chad has declined quickly.”

Words can not express how happy I am to see Cerrato out of the organization.And I find it hard to believe that he still can't pronounce Orakpo's name. It's harder, for me at least, to get "Orapko" out of my mouth than it is "Orakpo".

I heard the recording of him saying it on the radio. He pronounce it Arokpo.

This just in, Cerrato is an idiot. :-D

 

[MikeApf]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-coaches-say-they-dont-back-players-in-lockout/2011/05/26/AGSe7ECH_blog.html

Redskins’ coaches say they don’t back players in lockout

By Mike Jones

Washington Redskins coaches were not part of the group of coaches that filed a brief Wednesday with the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals requesting that NFL owners lift the lockout, according to a letter the coaches sent to the league Thursday.

The letter, signed by every coach except Head Coach Mike Shanahan, who is part of the team’s management, says that “we stand united with our ownership and the brief does not reflect our thoughts on the matter.”

A source familiar with the situation said the Redskins’ coaches grew concerned that the court document filed by the Coaches Association Wednesday could jeopardize their relationship with management and possibly cost them their jobs.

Larry Kennan, director of the NFL Coaches Association, organized the effort that resulted in Wednesday’s filing of a friend-of-the-court brief in the NFL lockout case.

The NFLCA stated in the court filing that the NFL “is attempting an end-run around a unanimous Supreme Court,” which had clearly stated that the league is subject to anti-trust laws in a decision last year.

The coaches association isn’t an official governing body and doesn’t speak for all coaches as the players association does for players. The players association was a labor union until the players chose to dissolve it a day before the March 12 lockout. It is now technically a trade association.

Names weren’t included in the coaches association brief, but Kennan told NFL.com that names weren’t necessary.

The Redskins coaches obviously felt differently and on Thursday sent the two-paragraph letter to the league, signed by 17 assistant coaches.

“The Washington Redskins’ coaching staff has not given its backing to the brief filed with the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on behalf of the National Football League Coaches Assocation,” it reads. “Our former representative, Kirk Olivadotti, is no longer with the organization and no member of our coaching staff was consulted prior to this action being taken.”

 

[Dexter Manley]

I know it's only May, and, especially w/ the lockout, just about anything printed right now is fluff, but the more I read about Leonard Hankerson, the more I like him.

I think he is the third best wr in this draft class behind Green and Jones. Getting him in the 3rd round was highway robbery.

 

[Sebowski]

Devin Thomas was the highest rated WR on most boards. Some say we stole him in the 2nd.

I'm taking a wait and see approach on Hankerson.

 

[Sebowski]

I honestly believe in 1 more year the Skins will be considered a great organization again. Not saying SB contenders mind you, but with Cerrato gone and Snyder seemingly out of the way, only good things can happen now.

Not sure how you can say that with any confidence. Enough bad things have happened since Cerrato has been gone for me to remain pessimistic.

 

[jbobbett]

I honestly believe in 1 more year the Skins will be considered a great organization again. Not saying SB contenders mind you, but with Cerrato gone and Snyder seemingly out of the way, only good things can happen now.

Not sure how you can say that with any confidence. Enough bad things have happened since Cerrato has been gone for me to remain pessimistic.

Right, as long as Snyder is involved you have to be concerned. Afterall he is the one who kept Cerrato around for all those years, promoting him along the way. The trade for McNabb last year was a Cerrato-esque move. Was Snyder involved in that decision maybe? Needed a big name to tout to sell tickets?

 

[Sebowski]

I honestly believe in 1 more year the Skins will be considered a great organization again. Not saying SB contenders mind you, but with Cerrato gone and Snyder seemingly out of the way, only good things can happen now.

Not sure how you can say that with any confidence. Enough bad things have happened since Cerrato has been gone for me to remain pessimistic.

Right, as long as Snyder is involved you have to be concerned. Afterall he is the one who kept Cerrato around for all those years, promoting him along the way. The trade for McNabb last year was a Cerrato-esque move. Was Snyder involved in that decision maybe? Needed a big name to tout to sell tickets?

McNabb had nothing to do with Snyder.

 

[dgreen]

I know it's only May, and, especially w/ the lockout, just about anything printed right now is fluff, but the more I read about Leonard Hankerson, the more I like him.

Homer McFanboy talks to a Miami reporter about Hankerson.

Also interesting from that post, that I don't think I had specifically heard yet:

I talked to Santana Moss earlier this offseason and he told me point blank that if it’s up to him, he’ll be back in Washington next season. I believe the exact phrase he used during our chat was “the grass isn’t always greener,” so I guess it’s going to come down to whether or not the Redskins’ front office wants him back.

I think the Redskins need to sign Moss. Maybe he's not Andre Johnson, but he is a bird in the hand. He plays hard, knows the system, and he was actually fairly productive last season. The Redskins have so many needs, that they need to resign as many of these folks as they can and just focus Free Agency on what they really don't have on their roster. For instance, they need to do whatever possible to resign Carlos Rodgers too. Sure he has stone hands and can't catch a cold, but he can cover and resigning him would at least not put too much pressure on getting a CB in free agency. Ditto with Moss.

If the Redskins bring back Moss and don't acquire another WR via FA, they are looking at Moss, Armstrong, Hankerson, Banks, Kelly, and probably Niles Paul as their rostered WRs. For years now, the Redskins have been in a situation where they are hoping (expecting?) someone to step up at WR. Their passing game will be greatly affected by whether or not a young receiver can break out. If they strongly feel Hankerson will do that, then they may be ok. But, if they are just hoping he does, then we're looking at another year without a game-breaker at WR.All that said, I agree that's not a bad route to go in 2011. Don't break the bank for a standout WR in FA (if there is one) or via trade when you have other areas to address.

 

[Marvelous]

I honestly believe in 1 more year the Skins will be considered a great organization again. Not saying SB contenders mind you, but with Cerrato gone and Snyder seemingly out of the way, only good things can happen now.

Not sure how you can say that with any confidence. Enough bad things have happened since Cerrato has been gone for me to remain pessimistic.

Right, as long as Snyder is involved you have to be concerned. Afterall he is the one who kept Cerrato around for all those years, promoting him along the way. The trade for McNabb last year was a Cerrato-esque move. Was Snyder involved in that decision maybe? Needed a big name to tout to sell tickets?

I know this is not related, but the Washington Nationals' signing of Jayson Werth (7 years, $126M guaranteed), sure looks and feels like a Snyder signing. Overypaying the market for an aging veteran. I understand why the Nationals did it, but there are so many ways for this deal to go wrong.

 

[Marvelous]

I know it's only May, and, especially w/ the lockout, just about anything printed right now is fluff, but the more I read about Leonard Hankerson, the more I like him.

Homer McFanboy talks to a Miami reporter about Hankerson.

Also interesting from that post, that I don't think I had specifically heard yet:

I talked to Santana Moss earlier this offseason and he told me point blank that if it’s up to him, he’ll be back in Washington next season. I believe the exact phrase he used during our chat was “the grass isn’t always greener,” so I guess it’s going to come down to whether or not the Redskins’ front office wants him back.

I think the Redskins need to sign Moss. Maybe he's not Andre Johnson, but he is a bird in the hand. He plays hard, knows the system, and he was actually fairly productive last season. The Redskins have so many needs, that they need to resign as many of these folks as they can and just focus Free Agency on what they really don't have on their roster. For instance, they need to do whatever possible to resign Carlos Rodgers too. Sure he has stone hands and can't catch a cold, but he can cover and resigning him would at least not put too much pressure on getting a CB in free agency. Ditto with Moss.

If the Redskins bring back Moss and don't acquire another WR via FA, they are looking at Moss, Armstrong, Hankerson, Banks, Kelly, and probably Niles Paul as their rostered WRs. For years now, the Redskins have been in a situation where they are hoping (expecting?) someone to step up at WR. Their passing game will be greatly affected by whether or not a young receiver can break out. If they strongly feel Hankerson will do that, then they may be ok. But, if they are just hoping he does, then we're looking at another year without a game-breaker at WR.All that said, I agree that's not a bad route to go in 2011. Don't break the bank for a standout WR in FA (if there is one) or via trade when you have other areas to address.

If they can bring Moss at a reasonable price, it is a no brainer. Good wide receivers are hard to find in free agency. CB are easier to find, but they cost a lot.

 

[Sebowski]

I know it's only May, and, especially w/ the lockout, just about anything printed right now is fluff, but the more I read about Leonard Hankerson, the more I like him.

Homer McFanboy talks to a Miami reporter about Hankerson.

Also interesting from that post, that I don't think I had specifically heard yet:

I talked to Santana Moss earlier this offseason and he told me point blank that if it’s up to him, he’ll be back in Washington next season. I believe the exact phrase he used during our chat was “the grass isn’t always greener,” so I guess it’s going to come down to whether or not the Redskins’ front office wants him back.

I think the Redskins need to sign Moss. Maybe he's not Andre Johnson, but he is a bird in the hand. He plays hard, knows the system, and he was actually fairly productive last season. The Redskins have so many needs, that they need to resign as many of these folks as they can and just focus Free Agency on what they really don't have on their roster. For instance, they need to do whatever possible to resign Carlos Rodgers too. Sure he has stone hands and can't catch a cold, but he can cover and resigning him would at least not put too much pressure on getting a CB in free agency. Ditto with Moss.

If the Redskins bring back Moss and don't acquire another WR via FA, they are looking at Moss, Armstrong, Hankerson, Banks, Kelly, and probably Niles Paul as their rostered WRs. For years now, the Redskins have been in a situation where they are hoping (expecting?) someone to step up at WR. Their passing game will be greatly affected by whether or not a young receiver can break out. If they strongly feel Hankerson will do that, then they may be ok. But, if they are just hoping he does, then we're looking at another year without a game-breaker at WR.All that said, I agree that's not a bad route to go in 2011. Don't break the bank for a standout WR in FA (if there is one) or via trade when you have other areas to address.

I'm hoping they resign Moss and break the bank on a WR. I would love to have VJax or Rice in a Skins uniform; competition on the other wide between Amrstrong, Kelly, and Hankerson; Moss in the slot.

 

[thayman]

I know it's only May, and, especially w/ the lockout, just about anything printed right now is fluff, but the more I read about Leonard Hankerson, the more I like him.

Homer McFanboy talks to a Miami reporter about Hankerson.

Also interesting from that post, that I don't think I had specifically heard yet:

I talked to Santana Moss earlier this offseason and he told me point blank that if it’s up to him, he’ll be back in Washington next season. I believe the exact phrase he used during our chat was “the grass isn’t always greener,” so I guess it’s going to come down to whether or not the Redskins’ front office wants him back.

I think the Redskins need to sign Moss. Maybe he's not Andre Johnson, but he is a bird in the hand. He plays hard, knows the system, and he was actually fairly productive last season. The Redskins have so many needs, that they need to resign as many of these folks as they can and just focus Free Agency on what they really don't have on their roster. For instance, they need to do whatever possible to resign Carlos Rodgers too. Sure he has stone hands and can't catch a cold, but he can cover and resigning him would at least not put too much pressure on getting a CB in free agency. Ditto with Moss.

If the Redskins bring back Moss and don't acquire another WR via FA, they are looking at Moss, Armstrong, Hankerson, Banks, Kelly, and probably Niles Paul as their rostered WRs. For years now, the Redskins have been in a situation where they are hoping (expecting?) someone to step up at WR. Their passing game will be greatly affected by whether or not a young receiver can break out. If they strongly feel Hankerson will do that, then they may be ok. But, if they are just hoping he does, then we're looking at another year without a game-breaker at WR.All that said, I agree that's not a bad route to go in 2011. Don't break the bank for a standout WR in FA (if there is one) or via trade when you have other areas to address.

I'm hoping they resign Moss and break the bank on a WR. I would love to have VJax or Rice in a Skins uniform; competition on the other wide between Amrstrong, Kelly, and Hankerson; Moss in the slot.

This type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

This type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years.

Agreed. You don't draft 3 WR's, to go along with the 2 young guys brought in the year before (Austin and Banks), just to bury them on the depth chart and ensure that they never see meaningful snaps in a season where the team's not going anywhere anyways.

 

[Sebowski]

This type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years.

Agreed. You don't draft 3 WR's, to go along with the 2 young guys brought in the year before (Austin and Banks), just to bury them on the depth chart and ensure that they never see meaningful snaps in a season where the team's not going anywhere anyways.

I'm not superstitious. Are you guys saying you wouldn't take Calvin Johnson, Fitz, or AJ on the team right now just because we've whiffed before? I refuse to believe that adding more talent won't make the team better just because of past mistakes. An upgrade is an upgrade. Plaxico worked out for the Giants. Moss took the Pats to a historic season...

 

[ConnSKINS26]

This type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years.

Agreed. You don't draft 3 WR's, to go along with the 2 young guys brought in the year before (Austin and Banks), just to bury them on the depth chart and ensure that they never see meaningful snaps in a season where the team's not going anywhere anyways.

I'm not superstitious. Are you guys saying you wouldn't take Calvin Johnson, Fitz, or AJ on the team right now just because we've whiffed before? I refuse to believe that adding more talent won't make the team better just because of past mistakes. An upgrade is an upgrade. Plaxico worked out for the Giants. Moss took the Pats to a historic season...

This isn't in any way a response to what I posted.Calvin Johnson, Fitz, and AJ aren't available, and neither is any player of their caliber, so I'm not even sure what that even means. You're exaggerating the hypothetical situation to "prove" your point, which isn't a sound tactic. Thayman may have been referring to our past failures, but I was more referencing the fact that plugging a hole with a big-name WR at this point doesn't do us any good, whether it back-fired in the past or not.I just don't see any reason to bring in a super-star level vet at WR at this point, or anyone approaching that talent level, when we just drafted THREE wide receivers, and brought in two young one's last year as well. This team isn't going anywhere in 2011, so why stunt the potential growth of our hand-picked young guys? Spending big money on a FA #1 wide-out is what a team who's on the brink of winning does (if we're talking about smart teams here). This team has another year or two before it reaches that point, at best.

 

[Sebowski]

This type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years.

Agreed. You don't draft 3 WR's, to go along with the 2 young guys brought in the year before (Austin and Banks), just to bury them on the depth chart and ensure that they never see meaningful snaps in a season where the team's not going anywhere anyways.

I'm not superstitious. Are you guys saying you wouldn't take Calvin Johnson, Fitz, or AJ on the team right now just because we've whiffed before? I refuse to believe that adding more talent won't make the team better just because of past mistakes. An upgrade is an upgrade. Plaxico worked out for the Giants. Moss took the Pats to a historic season...

This isn't in any way a response to what I posted.Calvin Johnson, Fitz, and AJ aren't available, and neither is any player of their caliber, so I'm not even sure what that even means. You're exaggerating the hypothetical situation to "prove" your point, which isn't a sound tactic. Thayman may have been referring to our past failures, but I was more referencing the fact that plugging a hole with a big-name WR at this point doesn't do us any good, whether it back-fired in the past or not.I just don't see any reason to bring in a super-star level vet at WR at this point, or anyone approaching that talent level, when we just drafted THREE wide receivers, and brought in two young one's last year as well. This team isn't going anywhere in 2011, so why stunt the potential growth of our hand-picked young guys? Spending big money on a FA #1 wide-out is what a team who's on the brink of winning does (if we're talking about smart teams here). This team has another year or two before it reaches that point, at best.

Your main points referenced the draft, but you started by agreeing with "This (as in, mine)type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years" that's why I included your post. But no big deal there.As for your main point, screw a 5th and 6th round pick if they get cut because Vincent Jackson or Sidney Rice can come in and start. You think the guys we draft in the last three rounds should really effect our FA targets? I really hope the picks work out to, but I'm not planning on it. There's a pretty good chance that if you have to cut the great Aldrick Robinson to make room for VJax he'll still clear waivers and make our practice squad. No, Jackson and Rice aren't CJ or AJ, but they are pro bowl talents that are clear upgrades over anyone we have at the position.

 

[thayman]

This type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years.

Agreed. You don't draft 3 WR's, to go along with the 2 young guys brought in the year before (Austin and Banks), just to bury them on the depth chart and ensure that they never see meaningful snaps in a season where the team's not going anywhere anyways.

I'm not superstitious. Are you guys saying you wouldn't take Calvin Johnson, Fitz, or AJ on the team right now just because we've whiffed before? I refuse to believe that adding more talent won't make the team better just because of past mistakes. An upgrade is an upgrade. Plaxico worked out for the Giants. Moss took the Pats to a historic season...

Would you like me to list all of the "upgrades" this team has gone out and signed? This team isn't one WR away from being able to compete. If you think this team is on par with the Giants and Pats you have lost your mind.

 

[Sebowski]

This type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years.

Agreed. You don't draft 3 WR's, to go along with the 2 young guys brought in the year before (Austin and Banks), just to bury them on the depth chart and ensure that they never see meaningful snaps in a season where the team's not going anywhere anyways.

I'm not superstitious. Are you guys saying you wouldn't take Calvin Johnson, Fitz, or AJ on the team right now just because we've whiffed before? I refuse to believe that adding more talent won't make the team better just because of past mistakes. An upgrade is an upgrade. Plaxico worked out for the Giants. Moss took the Pats to a historic season...

Would you like me to list all of the "upgrades" this team has gone out and signed? This team isn't one WR away from being able to compete. If you think this team is on par with the Giants and Pats you have lost your mind.

That is not what I meant, but fair point. If you guys are thinking the only way to get better is to get worse, then that's fine. I might even agree with you to a certain extent. I will not be too sad if you end up with Luck next year. VJax and Rice are both young though. They aren't Ocho.

 

[thayman]

This type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years.

Agreed. You don't draft 3 WR's, to go along with the 2 young guys brought in the year before (Austin and Banks), just to bury them on the depth chart and ensure that they never see meaningful snaps in a season where the team's not going anywhere anyways.

I'm not superstitious. Are you guys saying you wouldn't take Calvin Johnson, Fitz, or AJ on the team right now just because we've whiffed before? I refuse to believe that adding more talent won't make the team better just because of past mistakes. An upgrade is an upgrade. Plaxico worked out for the Giants. Moss took the Pats to a historic season...

Would you like me to list all of the "upgrades" this team has gone out and signed? This team isn't one WR away from being able to compete. If you think this team is on par with the Giants and Pats you have lost your mind.

That is not what I meant, but fair point. If you guys are thinking the only way to get better is to get worse, then that's fine. I might even agree with you to a certain extent. I will not be too sad if you end up with Luck next year. VJax and Rice are both young though. They aren't Ocho.

This team has been trying to build through FA. That doesn't work, good teams build through the draft. Fans might be impatient but this team is in a multi-year rebuild.

 

[Sebowski]

This type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years.

Agreed. You don't draft 3 WR's, to go along with the 2 young guys brought in the year before (Austin and Banks), just to bury them on the depth chart and ensure that they never see meaningful snaps in a season where the team's not going anywhere anyways.

I'm not superstitious. Are you guys saying you wouldn't take Calvin Johnson, Fitz, or AJ on the team right now just because we've whiffed before? I refuse to believe that adding more talent won't make the team better just because of past mistakes. An upgrade is an upgrade. Plaxico worked out for the Giants. Moss took the Pats to a historic season...

Would you like me to list all of the "upgrades" this team has gone out and signed? This team isn't one WR away from being able to compete. If you think this team is on par with the Giants and Pats you have lost your mind.

That is not what I meant, but fair point. If you guys are thinking the only way to get better is to get worse, then that's fine. I might even agree with you to a certain extent. I will not be too sad if you end up with Luck next year. VJax and Rice are both young though. They aren't Ocho.

This team has been trying to build through FA. That doesn't work, good teams build through the draft. Fans might be impatient but this team is in a multi-year rebuild.

Bad teams have also been built through the draft. Staying out of FA doesn't guarantee building a good team any more than signing guys guarantees a bad team. I believe FA can be a big part of a build. Just have to get the right FAs.

 

[thayman]

This type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years.

Agreed. You don't draft 3 WR's, to go along with the 2 young guys brought in the year before (Austin and Banks), just to bury them on the depth chart and ensure that they never see meaningful snaps in a season where the team's not going anywhere anyways.

I'm not superstitious. Are you guys saying you wouldn't take Calvin Johnson, Fitz, or AJ on the team right now just because we've whiffed before? I refuse to believe that adding more talent won't make the team better just because of past mistakes. An upgrade is an upgrade. Plaxico worked out for the Giants. Moss took the Pats to a historic season...

Would you like me to list all of the "upgrades" this team has gone out and signed? This team isn't one WR away from being able to compete. If you think this team is on par with the Giants and Pats you have lost your mind.

That is not what I meant, but fair point. If you guys are thinking the only way to get better is to get worse, then that's fine. I might even agree with you to a certain extent. I will not be too sad if you end up with Luck next year. VJax and Rice are both young though. They aren't Ocho.

This team has been trying to build through FA. That doesn't work, good teams build through the draft. Fans might be impatient but this team is in a multi-year rebuild.

Bad teams have also been built through the draft. Staying out of FA doesn't guarantee building a good team any more than signing guys guarantees a bad team. I believe FA can be a big part of a build. Just have to get the right FAs.

Name one successful team that has been built primarily through FA.

 

[Sebowski]

This type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years.

Agreed. You don't draft 3 WR's, to go along with the 2 young guys brought in the year before (Austin and Banks), just to bury them on the depth chart and ensure that they never see meaningful snaps in a season where the team's not going anywhere anyways.

I'm not superstitious. Are you guys saying you wouldn't take Calvin Johnson, Fitz, or AJ on the team right now just because we've whiffed before? I refuse to believe that adding more talent won't make the team better just because of past mistakes. An upgrade is an upgrade. Plaxico worked out for the Giants. Moss took the Pats to a historic season...

Would you like me to list all of the "upgrades" this team has gone out and signed? This team isn't one WR away from being able to compete. If you think this team is on par with the Giants and Pats you have lost your mind.

That is not what I meant, but fair point. If you guys are thinking the only way to get better is to get worse, then that's fine. I might even agree with you to a certain extent. I will not be too sad if you end up with Luck next year. VJax and Rice are both young though. They aren't Ocho.

This team has been trying to build through FA. That doesn't work, good teams build through the draft. Fans might be impatient but this team is in a multi-year rebuild.

Bad teams have also been built through the draft. Staying out of FA doesn't guarantee building a good team any more than signing guys guarantees a bad team. I believe FA can be a big part of a build. Just have to get the right FAs.

Name one successful team that has been built primarily through FA.

Sure. Right after you tell me how signing Vincent Jackson will mean we are building primarily through free agency.

 

[thayman]

This type of thinking is why this team has been so bad over the past dozen years.

Agreed. You don't draft 3 WR's, to go along with the 2 young guys brought in the year before (Austin and Banks), just to bury them on the depth chart and ensure that they never see meaningful snaps in a season where the team's not going anywhere anyways.

I'm not superstitious. Are you guys saying you wouldn't take Calvin Johnson, Fitz, or AJ on the team right now just because we've whiffed before? I refuse to believe that adding more talent won't make the team better just because of past mistakes. An upgrade is an upgrade. Plaxico worked out for the Giants. Moss took the Pats to a historic season...

Would you like me to list all of the "upgrades" this team has gone out and signed? This team isn't one WR away from being able to compete. If you think this team is on par with the Giants and Pats you have lost your mind.

That is not what I meant, but fair point. If you guys are thinking the only way to get better is to get worse, then that's fine. I might even agree with you to a certain extent. I will not be too sad if you end up with Luck next year. VJax and Rice are both young though. They aren't Ocho.

This team has been trying to build through FA. That doesn't work, good teams build through the draft. Fans might be impatient but this team is in a multi-year rebuild.

Bad teams have also been built through the draft. Staying out of FA doesn't guarantee building a good team any more than signing guys guarantees a bad team. I believe FA can be a big part of a build. Just have to get the right FAs.

Name one successful team that has been built primarily through FA.

Sure. Right after you tell me how signing Vincent Jackson will mean we are building primarily through free agency.

The team's recent history is of bringing in FA. Good teams don't build that way.You mention Plaxico and Randy Moss earlier they are examples of final pieces being put in place by good teams that are just one player or two away from a making a championship run. The Redskins are about 15 players away from being away from a championship run.

So yeah bring in Jackson when the Redskins are in a position to really push in about 4 or 5 years at best he will be 32/33 such a great age for WRs.

 

[Eastwood]

Any Redskins fan has to be encouraged by this article-

Owner Daniel Snyder brought in coach Mike Shanahan and general manager Bruce Allen to guide the Redskins out of the shadows, and he has no intentions to step on their toes.

Snyder told NBC Washington on Thursday that the perception that he's hands-on -- perhaps overly so -- with football decisions is incorrect.

"You know what’s interesting ... is a little bit of a misperception here," Snyder said. "When Joe Gibbs was here for over four seasons, nobody came to talk to me about football, and the same thing now. It was very similar between Mike Shanahan and Joe Gibbs, that they take command of the football team, and I love that.

"I mean, for me it’s easy. I don’t want to be involved. I enjoyed this draft probably more than any draft we had, because these guys worked so hard at preparation. It’s very different than Vinny Cerrato -- their structure -- and I can tell you that I thought the trades and the moves that Bruce made to accomplish what he accomplished was really remarkable. It was a great Redskin day, and I think people two or three years from now are going to love this draft."

Snyder also addressed the status of quarterback Donovan McNabb, whose future with the team is unclear following a dramatic and tumultuous campaign that resulted in his benching at the end of last season.

"I think that, first of all, let's see what happens. It's really up to Bruce and Mike ... you trust them. They'll do the right thing. I don't they've made any decisions of what they want to do yet. So we'll find out."

Snyder dismissed the idea that it is "clear cut" McNabb couldn't possibly return for another season.

"No, no, I wouldn't say that at all," he said. "We'll see what happens."

 

[fatness]

Rep. Steve Cohen:

But Snyder’s lawsuit against the newspaper highlights a much more serious issue — the need for federal legislation to protect the First Amendment rights of all Americans against strategic lawsuits against public participation, or SLAPPs.

The City Paper’s column was admittedly harsh but well within the bounds of free speech, especially about a public figure. Snyder was understandably angry, but instead of fighting speech with more speech, he chose to use the courts for his personal revenge. Whatever you may think of Snyder and the Redskins, the courts are not the appropriate forum for resolving these sorts of grudges.

Snyder’s own attorney seemed to acknowledge the true intention of his lawsuit in a letter to the hedge fund that owns the newspaper, the original object of his suit. He wrote: “Mr. Snyder has more than sufficient means to protect his reputation and defend himself and his wife against your paper’s concerted attempt at character assassination. We presume defending such litigation would not be a rational strategy for an investment firm such as yours. Indeed, the cost of litigation would presumably quickly outstrip the value of the Washington City Paper.”

This is exactly what SLAPPs are all about. They are used to silence and harass critics by forcing them to spend countless time and resources defending against them.

Our owner is an embarrassment, and will continue to be one until he's no longer our owner.

 

[dgreen]

For those that haven't heard, Fed Ex Field will have a new look next year. Thousands of upper level endzone seats are being removed to add "party decks". The party decks apparently will be similar to Dallas' party decks and be around $29 for standing room only tickets. I assume these will be single game tickets and not season tickets. Last year, club level endzone seats were removed for standing room only seats. Those were a little pricier since they provide access to the club level.

So, Fed Ex Field will no longer be just a big bowl. It will now be a big bowl with a little bit of a cutout at the top of each endzone.

 

[The_Man]

For those that haven't heard, Fed Ex Field will have a new look next year. Thousands of upper level endzone seats are being removed to add "party decks". The party decks apparently will be similar to Dallas' party decks and be around $29 for standing room only tickets. I assume these will be single game tickets and not season tickets. Last year, club level endzone seats were removed for standing room only seats. Those were a little pricier since they provide access to the club level.So, Fed Ex Field will no longer be just a big bowl. It will now be a big bowl with a little bit of a cutout at the top of each endzone.

But how can they do this when they've got tens and tens of thousands of people already on the season ticket waiting list? Where are they going to put all those long-time upper level endzone ticketholders who are being displaced? Obviously they can't unload all of these seats, so they're moving the current occupants to better locations and then converting the unused inventory to "party decks."

 

[dgreen]

For those that haven't heard, Fed Ex Field will have a new look next year. Thousands of upper level endzone seats are being removed to add "party decks". The party decks apparently will be similar to Dallas' party decks and be around $29 for standing room only tickets. I assume these will be single game tickets and not season tickets. Last year, club level endzone seats were removed for standing room only seats. Those were a little pricier since they provide access to the club level.So, Fed Ex Field will no longer be just a big bowl. It will now be a big bowl with a little bit of a cutout at the top of each endzone.

But how can they do this when they've got tens and tens of thousands of people already on the season ticket waiting list? Where are they going to put all those long-time upper level endzone ticketholders who are being displaced? Obviously they can't unload all of these seats, so they're moving the current occupants to better locations and then converting the unused inventory to "party decks."

The company line is that they aren't going to sell any tickets to wait list people this year (which I assume they still claim exists). Any seats opened up by season ticket holders not renewing in 2011 will be filled through upgrades to current season ticket holders.

 

[fatness]

Rex Grossman about Kyle Shanahan

And he indicated that the younger Shanahan is something of a perfectionist. “During the course of a regular game, Kyle Shanahan wants you to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions,” Grossman said.

Mike Florio about Kyle Shanahan

Think about that one. Kyle Shanahan wants the quarterback “to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions.”

In the 1970s, the media and the fans bemoaned the trend away from quarterbacks calling their own plays, not just as audibles but in the huddle. The younger Shanahan’s attitude confirms that the trend away from quarterback decision-making has resulted in today’s OCD coaches want their signal-callers to receive signals and follow orders like robots, both before and during the play.

If nothing else, it’s now clear why the Donovan McNabb experiment didn’t work. And it’s amazing that the Shanahans ever thought that it would. An established, franchise quarterback will be the last player to ever allow himself to be grossly micromanaged by a silver-spoon assistant coach three years younger than the established, franchise quarterback.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Rex Grossman about Kyle Shanahan

And he indicated that the younger Shanahan is something of a perfectionist. “During the course of a regular game, Kyle Shanahan wants you to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions,” Grossman said.

Mike Florio about Kyle Shanahan

Think about that one. Kyle Shanahan wants the quarterback “to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions.”

In the 1970s, the media and the fans bemoaned the trend away from quarterbacks calling their own plays, not just as audibles but in the huddle. The younger Shanahan’s attitude confirms that the trend away from quarterback decision-making has resulted in today’s OCD coaches want their signal-callers to receive signals and follow orders like robots, both before and during the play.

If nothing else, it’s now clear why the Donovan McNabb experiment didn’t work. And it’s amazing that the Shanahans ever thought that it would. An established, franchise quarterback will be the last player to ever allow himself to be grossly micromanaged by a silver-spoon assistant coach three years younger than the established, franchise quarterback.

I saw this ridiculous piece earlier today. Talk about making a story out of nothing. So an NFL OC wants the starting qb to run the offense exactly like he wants it? SHOCKING.The main reason the McNabb experiment didn't work is because McNabb didn't act like the professional he should of.

 

[thayman]

Rex Grossman about Kyle Shanahan

And he indicated that the younger Shanahan is something of a perfectionist. “During the course of a regular game, Kyle Shanahan wants you to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions,” Grossman said.

Mike Florio about Kyle Shanahan

Think about that one. Kyle Shanahan wants the quarterback “to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions.”

In the 1970s, the media and the fans bemoaned the trend away from quarterbacks calling their own plays, not just as audibles but in the huddle. The younger Shanahan’s attitude confirms that the trend away from quarterback decision-making has resulted in today’s OCD coaches want their signal-callers to receive signals and follow orders like robots, both before and during the play.

If nothing else, it’s now clear why the Donovan McNabb experiment didn’t work. And it’s amazing that the Shanahans ever thought that it would. An established, franchise quarterback will be the last player to ever allow himself to be grossly micromanaged by a silver-spoon assistant coach three years younger than the established, franchise quarterback.

I saw this ridiculous piece earlier today. Talk about making a story out of nothing. So an NFL OC wants the starting qb to run the offense exactly like he wants it? SHOCKING.The main reason the McNabb experiment didn't work is because McNabb didn't act like the professional he should of.

No the main reason the McNabb experiement didn't work is because the Shannahans didn't do their homework on him.

 

[Eastwood]

The main reason McNabb didn't work is that he was inaccurate with most of his throws. And he turned the ball over a lot. And he didn't follow directions like he should have if he was really a team player and team leader.

 

[fatness]

No the main reason the McNabb experiement didn't work is because the Shannahans didn't do their homework on him.

The Redskins ####ed up badly signing him because it was clear pretty quickly that they didn't want him.

 

[fatness]

The main reason McNabb didn't work is that he was inaccurate with most of his throws. And he turned the ball over a lot.

And Grossman?

 

[thayman]

The main reason McNabb didn't work is that he was inaccurate with most of his throws. And he turned the ball over a lot. And he didn't follow directions like he should have if he was really a team player and team leader.

Soooo he played like McNabb plays and the coaching staff didn't do their homework.

 

[MikeApf]

No the main reason the McNabb experiement didn't work is because the Shannahans didn't do their homework on him.

The Redskins ####ed up badly signing him because it was clear pretty quickly that they didn't want him.

So if Kyle never wanted him -- as has been reported...And if Mike defers to Kyle re: who plays at QB -- as has been reported...And if Bruce is not the personnel guy over Mike -- as has been reported...Then who made the decision to go get McNabb?

 

[thayman]

No the main reason the McNabb experiement didn't work is because the Shannahans didn't do their homework on him.

The Redskins ####ed up badly signing him because it was clear pretty quickly that they didn't want him.

So if Kyle never wanted him -- as has been reported...And if Mike defers to Kyle re: who plays at QB -- as has been reported...

And if Bruce is not the personnel guy over Mike -- as has been reported...Then who made the decision to go get McNabb?

I'd like to buy into the theory that Snyder interferred, but I don't think so. He doesn't seem like he has been involved in any other player moves so why this one?My thought is that the bolded never happened. I think Mike and Bruce went out to get him prior to talking to Kyle. During the seasone it becomes apparant that Kyle and McNabb can't get work and Mike and Bruce side with Kyle.

 

[dgreen]

It also sounds like there may be a plan to add a partial overhang to Fed Ex, a la Qwest Field in Seattle. That would be more for 2012, though, than this season. Some are estimating that the number of seats could be down to as low as 80,000 after all the renovations.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Rex Grossman about Kyle Shanahan

And he indicated that the younger Shanahan is something of a perfectionist. During the course of a regular game, Kyle Shanahan wants you to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions, Grossman said.

Mike Florio about Kyle Shanahan

Think about that one. Kyle Shanahan wants the quarterback to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions.

In the 1970s, the media and the fans bemoaned the trend away from quarterbacks calling their own plays, not just as audibles but in the huddle. The younger Shanahans attitude confirms that the trend away from quarterback decision-making has resulted in todays OCD coaches want their signal-callers to receive signals and follow orders like robots, both before and during the play.

If nothing else, its now clear why the Donovan McNabb experiment didnt work. And its amazing that the Shanahans ever thought that it would. An established, franchise quarterback will be the last player to ever allow himself to be grossly micromanaged by a silver-spoon assistant coach three years younger than the established, franchise quarterback.

I saw this ridiculous piece earlier today. Talk about making a story out of nothing. So an NFL OC wants the starting qb to run the offense exactly like he wants it? SHOCKING.The main reason the McNabb experiment didn't work is because McNabb didn't act like the professional he should of.

No the main reason the McNabb experiement didn't work is because the Shannahans didn't do their homework on him.

Ummm no. McNabb refused to get in and out of the huddle quickly. McNabb refused to run the offense at the tempo that the qb needs to in Kyle's offense. McNabb refused to wear the wristband. Etc. There's a reason that the offense looked and ran much better with Grossman in there, because he actually did what Kyle coached him to do.At this point it's pretty clear that McNabb was basically a lesser (and much more team friendly) version of Haynesworth with regards to doing what he wanted and not listening to the coaches.

Had McNabb acted like a professional, and actually did what the coaches wanted him to do, the "experiment" would of probably worked.

 

[Dexter Manley]

No the main reason the McNabb experiement didn't work is because the Shannahans didn't do their homework on him.

The Redskins ####ed up badly signing him because it was clear pretty quickly that they didn't want him.

So if Kyle never wanted him -- as has been reported...And if Mike defers to Kyle re: who plays at QB -- as has been reported...

And if Bruce is not the personnel guy over Mike -- as has been reported...Then who made the decision to go get McNabb?

I'd like to buy into the theory that Snyder interferred, but I don't think so. He doesn't seem like he has been involved in any other player moves so why this one?My thought is that the bolded never happened. I think Mike and Bruce went out to get him prior to talking to Kyle. During the seasone it becomes apparant that Kyle and McNabb can't get work and Mike and Bruce side with Kyle.

Yea, I agree that Snydyer definitely wasn't involved with the McNabb trade. Who knows whether or not Shanahan and Bruce consulted with Kyle wrt signing McNabb.

 

[Eastwood]

Ummm no. McNabb refused to get in and out of the huddle quickly. McNabb refused to run the offense at the tempo that the qb needs to in Kyle's offense. McNabb refused to wear the wristband. Etc. There's a reason that the offense looked and ran much better with Grossman in there, because he actually did what Kyle coached him to do.

At this point it's pretty clear that McNabb was basically a lesser (and much more team friendly) version of Haynesworth with regards to doing what he wanted and not listening to the coaches.

Had McNabb acted like a professional, and actually did what the coaches wanted him to do, the "experiment" would of probably worked.

Dexter gets it. This is on McNabb and McNabb only.