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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

I recorded the game and plan to re-watch it today as I didn't get to pay real close attention to it yesterday. My initial thoughts, though, were that most of the "bad" stuff came from rookies just being rookies. The new guys on the DL (Coefield, Bowen, Jenkins) looked good. Real good sometimes.

I believe the Steelers first stringers played the 1st quarter. At the very least, the 'Skins held their own. They certainly weren't dominated by Pittsburgh during that time.

Unfortunately, Shayne Graham is gone. As a fellow Hokie, I was pulling for him, but he went 0-2 in his time, and the first miss was horrible. At first I thought it must have been blocked.

 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/five-observations-from-redskins-vs-steelers/2011/08/13/gIQA18cNDJ_blog.html#pagebreakFive observations from Redskins vs. Steelers

By Mike Jones

Washington Redskins players and coaches drew encouragement from Friday nights 16-7 preseason victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Obviously, preseason performances have to be taken with a grain of salt because teams dont gameplan for their opponents meaning the Steelers didnt watch any film of the Redskins and strategize about how they would attack them, and vice versa. But things often were so bad last season, that in ust this one game, it was easy to see improvements in several areas.

Here are five observations from Washingtons preseason opener.

1.) Offensive line progress This was as beleaguered a group as any last season, but last night, the Redskins front five appeared to have made significant strides. They hit their assignments, they moved well. The first-team unit gave Rex Grossman time to throw, didnt give up a sack and paved the way for a ground game that averaged 4.3 yards a carry. Good gains came on runs to the left and runs to the right. Right tackle Jammal Brown moved much better than he did a year ago, when he was coming off 2009 hip surgery. There were no holding or false start penalties, which coach Mike Shanahan attributed to strong concentration and discipline.

Were a better football team, Shanahan said when asked about the play of the line. With the addition of [guard Chris] Chester, [new center] Will Montgomery, just our players being used to the system. You expect it to be that much better. Hopefully, we can keep on improving.

2.) Defensive line upgrades Barry Cofield said he felt like a rookie all over again, but the Washington Redskins new nose tackle quickly settled in and did a nice job anchoring that 3-4 front. Indications of this: the two sack plays. On the first, Cofield and right end Stephen Bowen opened a lane for inside linebacker London Fletcher to shoot up the middle, and cornerback Kevin Barnes followed and dropped Ben Roethlisberger in the backfield. On the second, Cofield shoved the center to his right and Bowen came around Cofields backside on a stunt, racing into the backfield untouched for a sack of Byron Leftwich. Cofield, Bowen and fellow veteran Adam Carriker, along with rookie Jarvis Jenkins clogged running lanes and generated pressure.

I love them, linebacker Brian Orakpo said. Those guys are phenomenal. Theyre going to push that pocket and make plays and not only just take up blocks, theyre going to get sacks, theyre going to get pressures and they showed that tonight.

3.) Options at receiver Last preseason, the Redskins had Santana Moss, an aged, unmotivated Joey Galloway and a bunch of unproven guys to round out their receiving corps. How different things look now. Moss is still that guy, racking up seven catches for 64 yards and a touchdown Friday night. Grossman also connected with Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin and Donte Stallworth.

Said Grossman, I knew Santana from last year. He is, in my opinion, a quarterbacks best friend. He understands where the holes are in the defense and he broke some routes off hot knowing that the protection is bad because I wasnt protected over there. He just has a way of making me feel comfortable. I know [Gaffney] from Florida and its exciting to be able to play with him again. Anthony Armstrongs an explosive wide receiver thats going to make a bunch of big plays for us. From top to bottom our wise receiving core is really good. Im very excited about it.

Dont discount Austins chances of making this team. The second-year UCLA product runs good routes, has good hands and can contribute on special teams.

4.) Tim Hightower is a fit The Alexandria native runs hard and said he absolutely loves the stretch zone scheme that Mike Shanahan runs. Ryan Torain (still out with a broken hand) has some real competition for that starting job. Another contribution from Hightower comes in the pass protection department. He had some nice blitz pickups, twice sticking linebackers coming up the middle. That was encouraging for the Redskins because while Clinton Portis had dropped off in running production last season, his pass-blocking skills were second to none. Grossman went so far as to say that Hightowers showing Friday night was on the same level.

I thought it was great, Grossman said. Hes been great from day one with pass protection. He seems like hes as good as Clinton was, just being able to stick his nose in there and be real tough about it and stop those guys at the line.

5.) New attitude There was a different feel to the locker room after the game. Not because it was a win--there were a few last season--but because in their second season under Mike Shanahan the Redskins feel more confident and more comfortable.

Obviously, the players knew that it was only the preseason, and not a full game, but a positive showing against Pittsburgh was big. There was a sense of encouragement, but not surprise. Instead, the Redskins acted as if the performance was what they expected.

I wasnt surprised, Armstrong said. Thats the way coach Shanahan expects things to be done. Practices have been extremely crisp, and we were able to just flow, and everythings been going great. It was good to see it happen in a game and for us to just execute. We just need to score more points.

Left tackle Trent Williams echoed that: Were feeling very comfortable. Guys are leaving Redskins Park at 10:30 at night, doing all the extra stuff. We knew that it would pay off.

Less-than-stellar showings: Obviously Shayne Graham looked nothing like the kicker the Redskins thought they were bringing in to compete with Graham Gano. In camp, Graham has consistently shanked field goal attempts, and Friday night was no different, in the form of two misses. Will he see a second week of preseason action? . . . Washingtons starting cornerbacks appeared to get beat deep a total of three times DeAngelo Hall twice and Josh Wilson once. Fortunately for them, the Steelers quarterbacks badly overthrew their targets on what would have been sure touchdowns. … Rookie wide receiver Leonard Hankerson continues to have the drops, failing to hang on to what could have been a touchdown pass down the middle. . . . Fellow rookie receiver Aldrick Robinson muffed two punt returns when he needed a couple of positives to help distinguish himself at a crowded receiver position.

 
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To a slight degree, last night reminded me of Steve Spurrier's tenure with the 'Skins, as Mike Shanahan kept his starters in the game for far longer than Mike Tomlin.

Shanahan's intention was different than Spurrier's; the former Gators wizard took advantage of the situation and slaughtered Steelers backups with his own starters, erasing a large deficit (34-14) and winning 35-34. Yes, that is correct: Spurrier risked the health of his starters to win a meaningless game in the standings. Speaks well to his confidence heading in the season, doesn't it? Needless to say, the coach's "smoke and mirrors" preseason, where the club put up record offensive numbers, didn't translate when the games counted.

For Shanahan, there is a realization that a team that lacked chemistry last season needs every repetition it can get with a reworked roster—and full exposure to the playbook is necessary to ensure the players are familiar with it.
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Unfortunately, Shayne Graham is gone. As a fellow Hokie, I was pulling for him, but he went 0-2 in his time, and the first miss was horrible. At first I thought it must have been blocked.
I'd like to see them keep Graham the whole preseason, even if he kicks awfully, to keep Gano from being over-used. Gano wasn't the most accurate guy in the league last year, and though he's been working hard and apparently improving you don't want to start the season with a kicker with a tired leg. The Skins are going to need every FG they can get this year.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/five-observations-from-redskins-vs-steelers/2011/08/13/gIQA18cNDJ_blog.html#pagebreakFive observations from Redskins vs. Steelers

By Mike Jones

Washington Redskins’ players and coaches drew encouragement from Friday night’s 16-7 preseason victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers.

3.) Options at receiver – Last preseason, the Redskins had Santana Moss, an aged, unmotivated Joey Galloway and a bunch of unproven guys to round out their receiving corps. How different things look now. Moss is still that guy, racking up seven catches for 64 yards and a touchdown Friday night. Grossman also connected with Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin and Donte Stallworth.
:lmao: This guy can't be serious. Stallwort basically equals Galloway and then there's Gaffny (hopefully an upgrade over Roydell Williams. Other than that and a rookie, its the same exact lineup!!!

 
I've never seen so many dudes with dreadlocks on one team. Can't say I'm a fan.

However the Skins look much improved compared to last year. We may be looking at a .500 team flirting with the playoffs.

 
Just a few minutes. Caught a replay of one of the old Spurrier preseason games instead. Now that was an offense. :thumbup:

 
Because it pertains to the Skins, and nobody wants to talk about the Skins on a FF board because of our lack of good FF players haha, I'll re-post something I wrote in another thread, basically a rebuttal to many thinking that the Skins are in the Luck hunt.

Crazy. Just because Grossman is perceived as a worse QB than McNabb, doesn't mean he is, especially in this system. So, including the QB position , this team is better and younger than last years, and has an overall easier schedule.People just like to repeat what they hear in the national media. It's not surprising. People like to be comfortable in what they "know" about teams they don't follow. This leads to a lot of commonly known facts about a team, that are not true at all. This team has a bottom-5 QB situation? I agree that I'd rather have a future franchise QB to root for, but last year this team had a top-ten passing offense. If you can ignore the names and look at their ability in THIS system, which is all that matters, then you have to admit that Grossman is a better QB in Washington than public perception allows for, and he continues to demonstrate that, even though it's not trendy to admit it. The defense had a FA period and draft totally dedicated to acquiring hard-working, high-motor scheme-fits...Which is what was missing last year from a group with some Ill-fitting talent.RB? Again, just because the names are not flashy, doesn't mean that a group of Hightower, Torain, and Helu can't get it done. As always demonstrated by Shanahan's ugly RB corps, they will. WR? Again, not a good looking roster on paper. In reality, this group combined with our QB's last year to put up top-ten numbers yardage-wise. Moss is back, and Armstrong, who put up over 800 yards last year, has been bumped down to 3rd on the depth chart by Gaffney, who is a good possession WR acquired for practically nothing. Then you've got Hankerson developing in the wings. I'll repeat, not a pretty group on paper, but they'll get it done.The only real question mark is the OL. And they have looked, in limited action vs. the Steelers 1st and 2nd team, much, much improved.The point is that national media doesn't like the names filling the starting positions in Washington on paper. And public opinion takes it's cues from that.But when has a pretty team on paper ever done ANYTHING for the Skins the past 10-20 years? Never, is the correct answer. I'll take an under-appreciated, fundamentally-sound, well-coached and young "ugly" team any day of the week, and twice on Sundays, to use a tired cliche. It will take a while for the average fan to admit it, but this team will not be bottom ten this year, and might even over-achieve a bit. Its better than last year's team, and built more soundly, with players that fit better....with an easier schedule in a division where only the Eagles have made any real strides to improve. Fantasy Football owners don't like the look of this roster, because it's not flashy. But the sum of it's parts will surprise people (at least the ones expecting a bottom-5/10 finish).
 
Because it pertains to the Skins, and nobody wants to talk about the Skins on a FF board because of our lack of good FF players haha, I'll re-post something I wrote in another thread, basically a rebuttal to many thinking that the Skins are in the Luck hunt.

Crazy. Just because Grossman is perceived as a worse QB than McNabb, doesn't mean he is, especially in this system. So, including the QB position , this team is better and younger than last years, and has an overall easier schedule.

Just because you perceive Grossman to be better than McNabb in this system, doesn't mean he is. I think you'd be better off using Beck as your argument here. At least he can be considered an unknown. Grossman is a known bad QB.

This team has a bottom-5 QB situation? I agree that I'd rather have a future franchise QB to root for, but last year this team had a top-ten passing offense. If you can ignore the names and look at their ability in THIS system, which is all that matters, then you have to admit that Grossman is a better QB in Washington than public perception allows for, and he continues to demonstrate that, even though it's not trendy to admit it.

top ten passing offense? lol. That's hilarious. If you want to just talk about stats, go for it. If you want to talk about football you have to put the stats in context. Grossman had a couple good quarters in losing games and beefed up some numbers. That doesn;t change the fact that he looked horrible more times than he didn't dropping back to pass.

The defense had a FA period and draft totally dedicated to acquiring hard-working, high-motor scheme-fits...Which is what was missing last year from a group with some Ill-fitting talent.

I agree here. I like they way they are building. These guys should be peaking right around when we actually get an NFL caliber QB behind center

RB? Again, just because the names are not flashy, doesn't mean that a group of Hightower, Torain, and Helu can't get it done. As always demonstrated by Shanahan's ugly RB corps, they will.

Running game should be fine, but I'm not expecting Broncos level production just because it's Shananhan. He doesn't have The Broncos line, Alex Gibbs.. this just isn't the Broncos. Dungy didn't have the Colts playing D like the Bucs, Martz hasn't gotten his system anywhere near what he had in STL, Billick was suppose to have the Ravens offense rolling, Dennis Green killed people with his offense in Minnesota and couldn't do jack #### in AZ... It just isn't as easy as saying "one coach did it there. he'll do it here"

WR? Again, not a good looking roster on paper. In reality, this group combined with our QB's last year to put up top-ten numbers yardage-wise. Moss is back, and Armstrong, who put up over 800 yards last year, has been bumped down to 3rd on the depth chart by Gaffney, who is a good possession WR acquired for practically nothing. Then you've got Hankerson developing in the wings. I'll repeat, not a pretty group on paper, but they'll get it done.

Again with the yardage stats. How many points do you get again for yards?

The only real question mark is the OL. And they have looked, in limited action vs. the Steelers 1st and 2nd team, much, much improved.

You're right about "real question mark".

The point is that national media doesn't like the names filling the starting positions in Washington on paper. And public opinion takes it's cues from that.

I'll assume that part was meant for the crowd in the other thread. You're point is right. Just don't see it being applied here in this thread

But when has a pretty team on paper ever done ANYTHING for the Skins the past 10-20 years? Never, is the correct answer. I'll take an under-appreciated, fundamentally-sound, well-coached and young "ugly" team any day of the week, and twice on Sundays, to use a tired cliche.

You're right. "Twice on Sunday" is very tired. Exhausted, even. "Well coached" hasn't been proven to me by this staff yet. If they couldn't tweak things for the guys they had on the roster last year, they desevre a lot of blame for their failures here. It is a two-way street there.

It will take a while for the average fan to admit it, but this team will not be bottom ten this year, and might even over-achieve a bit. Its better than last year's team, and built more soundly, with players that fit better....with an easier schedule in a division where only the Eagles have made any real strides to improve. Fantasy Football owners don't like the look of this roster, because it's not flashy. But the sum of it's parts will surprise people (at least the ones expecting a bottom-5/10 finish).

I'm going to need to shower after this..

The Cowboys and Giants got.. I just can't do it. All I'll say is that just because they didn't get better than last year doesn't mean they still aren't better than us. Hopefully we'll still be able to win those games against those bastards, but I don't see any way we don't finish last in the division
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/five-observations-from-redskins-vs-steelers/2011/08/13/gIQA18cNDJ_blog.html#pagebreakFive observations from Redskins vs. Steelers

By Mike Jones

Washington Redskins’ players and coaches drew encouragement from Friday night’s 16-7 preseason victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers.

3.) Options at receiver – Last preseason, the Redskins had Santana Moss, an aged, unmotivated Joey Galloway and a bunch of unproven guys to round out their receiving corps. How different things look now. Moss is still that guy, racking up seven catches for 64 yards and a touchdown Friday night. Grossman also connected with Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin and Donte Stallworth.
:lmao: This guy can't be serious. Stallwort basically equals Galloway and then there's Gaffny (hopefully an upgrade over Roydell Williams. Other than that and a rookie, its the same exact lineup!!!
:confused: Gaffney's coming off a 65-875 season and Roydell was coming off of two years not even playing. Of course he's an upgrade.

 
'ConnSKINS26 said:
You watched a VERY different Grossman and McNabb than I did last year, it seems, Sebowski.
I went back and read Keim's post game thoughts on Rex after each of his starts to see if I was "misremembering"
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Five Thoughts: Cowboys 33, Redskins 30

By: John Keim | Examiner Staff Writer | Follow him @john_keim | 12/19/10 9:18 PM

1. Rex Grossman has played well before » In 2006, Grossman opened the season by throwing 10 touchdowns and only four interceptions in the first five games. He was rolling. Then he threw four interceptions, followed by a three-touchdown game followed by a three-interception performance followed by a three-touchdown game.

See a pattern?

So he’s capable of doing well, especially when facing a weak passing defense like Dallas. And then he plays poorly. So it’s hard to gauge what his outing today meant other than he could help you in a pinch (or hurt you). And it means that this offense is capable of producing. This was also the second worst pass defense Washington has faced this season (according to league rankings).

Today he mostly helped, after some ugly throws early in the game. But with Dallas not applying a lot of pressure, Grossman was able to get into a rhythm. Aside from a couple throws – the deep ball to Anthony Armstrong for example – Grossman appeared to give his receivers better chances to run after the catch. Donovan McNabb did not always do this. Of course, some of those passes came on screens that were well-designed and caught Dallas in blitzes (as on Ryan Torain’s 20-yard catch and run). Credit Kyle Shanahan for those. Grossman made a couple bad throws – his interception was classic Rex and he’s lucky it wasn’t returned for a touchdown. The last one? He tried to sneak one over the top to Chris Cooley and simply failed. But it was the right pass.

Maybe this game said more about McNabb than Grossman, though it’s really hard to guess what he would have done. Four touchdowns, 30 points? Not guessing that one. I was surprised at the emphasis on the pass early in the game, thrusting a guy who has barely played in two years into a playmaking role right away. After a while, they had no choice but to pass and that helped Grossman find a rhythm. And he did make it a fun game to watch; helped lead a rather resilient bunch to a near win.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2010/12/five-thoughts-cowboys-33-redskins-30#ixzz1V2Ys12kh
Five Thoughts: Redskins 20, Jaguars 17

4. Rex was Rex. No surprise, the quarterback position remains unsettled for the Redskins. After last week I thought the Redskins needed to find a QB of the future in the draft and after this week I think… the Redskins need to draft a QB. Grossman wasn’t helped by Chris Cooley’s four drops, though a couple passes weren’t exactly on target. Grossman said after the game the wind affected the pass that was intercepted in the end zone. We’ll give him that one. But he made several bad decisions throughout the game that could have cost him. It’s what he does. Heck, he threw one pass away that hit a Jaguars defender right in the helmet.

I worry about his athleticism; he’s a small guy so he really needs to be able to get wide and use his legs more, but not sure he has that sort of ability anymore (he had a couple surgeries while in Chicago that changed him). So what we’re seeing is that he’s a good backup. But give him credit on the touchdown drive in the third quarter and into the fourth; he delivered the ball where it needed to be. And it’s amazing how often in this offense a guy like Santana Moss or Cooley can be free in a crucial situation. Moss caught key third-down passes on the touchdown drive; Cooley kept getting free on bootlegs, etc. Twenty of Grossman’s 39 pass attempts went to these two players. Makes you wonder what can happen with consistent quarterback play and a little more talent. The design of these plays often result in opportunities.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2010/12/five-thoughts-redskins-20-jaguars-17#ixzz1V2Zc2mxe
Keim didn't mention Grossman after the loss to the Giants except that Grossman ended the year with 3 starts, 884 yards, 7 TDs and 7 Turnovers completing 55.6%. Then I searched 4 other sites for post game thoughts on the Giants game and couldn't find any analisys. They all just started talking about the offseason. Got this from the Yahoo recap:
Rex Grossman(notes), starting in place of McNabb for the third time, went 26 for 44 for 336 yards with two touchdowns, including a career-long 64-yard toss to Anthony Armstrong(notes) for a score. But Grossman also threw an interception and lost two fumbles.
I think the first quote box sums Grossman up best. He can be good at times when everything lines up right, but he is not worthy of being a starting QB.Yes, he should be better after a year in the offense, but the teams he plays will defend him better now too.

The only hope the season has is for John Beck to have a Kurt Warner type story. I don't like those odds. But I really like Andrew Luck, so I'm not going to let this season get me too down.

 
'Sebowski said:
Just a few minutes. Caught a replay of one of the old Spurrier preseason games instead. Now that was an offense. :thumbup:
I've been a Redskins fan for 30+ years and I can definitely understand why some fans might be a little bitter and skeptical. I would encourage you to put away the Spurrier tapes and check out the first half of the Steelers game. Yes it's preseason and perhaps my eyes were deceiving me, but what I saw was a team of decidedly un-flashy, blue-collar guys playing smash-mouth football and holding their own against one of the best teams in the NFL. Everyone seemed to be on the same page on both sides of the ball, and there were no embarrassing breakdowns. No one fell down and quit. Even the OL played well. The Skins managed to resemble a real NFL team and they did so without their starting safeties (perhaps their 2 best players on D) and without their starting QB (arguably). Are they going to the Super Bowl this year? I highly doubt it but I think they'll be fun to watch and I don't think .500 and December playoff talk is out of the question. For me, that would be a big improvement. Anyway, the constant negativity and cynicism is getting tiresome and I wish a few of you would just chill, suspend your disbelief for awhile and see what happens.
 
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'dgreen said:
'Sebowski said:
'dehaven123 said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/five-observations-from-redskins-vs-steelers/2011/08/13/gIQA18cNDJ_blog.html#pagebreakFive observations from Redskins vs. Steelers

By Mike Jones

Washington Redskins’ players and coaches drew encouragement from Friday night’s 16-7 preseason victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers.

3.) Options at receiver – Last preseason, the Redskins had Santana Moss, an aged, unmotivated Joey Galloway and a bunch of unproven guys to round out their receiving corps. How different things look now. Moss is still that guy, racking up seven catches for 64 yards and a touchdown Friday night. Grossman also connected with Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin and Donte Stallworth.
:lmao: This guy can't be serious. Stallwort basically equals Galloway and then there's Gaffny (hopefully an upgrade over Roydell Williams. Other than that and a rookie, its the same exact lineup!!!
:confused: Gaffney's coming off a 65-875 season and Roydell was coming off of two years not even playing. Of course he's an upgrade.
I've just never been a Gaffney fan. I'm generally not a believer in WRs who "break out" in the 9th season with almost 900 yards and 2 whole TDs
 
'Sebowski said:
Just a few minutes. Caught a replay of one of the old Spurrier preseason games instead. Now that was an offense. :thumbup:
I've been a Redskins fan for 30+ years and I can definitely understand why some fans might be a little bitter and skeptical. I would encourage you to put away the Spurrier tapes and check out the first half of the Steelers game. Yes it's preseason and perhaps my eyes were deceiving me, but what I saw was a team of decidedly un-flashy, blue-collar guys playing smash-mouth football and holding their own against one of the best teams in the NFL. Everyone seemed to be on the same page on both sides of the ball, and there were no embarrassing breakdowns. No one fell down and quit. Even the OL played well. The Skins managed to resemble a real NFL team and they did so without their starting safeties (perhaps their 2 best players on D) and without their starting QB (arguably). Are they going to the Super Bowl this year? I highly doubt it but I think they'll be fun to watch and I don't think .500 and December playoff talk is out of the question. For me, that would be a big improvement. Anyway, the constant negativity and cynicism is getting tiresome and I wish a few of you would just chill, suspend your disbelief for awhile and see what happens.
I don't see the point in convincing myself the team will compete when all the evidence is the opposite. I'm preparing for the worst and hoping for the best as opposed to my normal way of preparing for the best and hoping for even better.
 
'Sebowski said:
Just a few minutes. Caught a replay of one of the old Spurrier preseason games instead. Now that was an offense. :thumbup:
I've been a Redskins fan for 30+ years and I can definitely understand why some fans might be a little bitter and skeptical. I would encourage you to put away the Spurrier tapes and check out the first half of the Steelers game. Yes it's preseason and perhaps my eyes were deceiving me, but what I saw was a team of decidedly un-flashy, blue-collar guys playing smash-mouth football and holding their own against one of the best teams in the NFL. Everyone seemed to be on the same page on both sides of the ball, and there were no embarrassing breakdowns. No one fell down and quit. Even the OL played well. The Skins managed to resemble a real NFL team and they did so without their starting safeties (perhaps their 2 best players on D) and without their starting QB (arguably). Are they going to the Super Bowl this year? I highly doubt it but I think they'll be fun to watch and I don't think .500 and December playoff talk is out of the question. For me, that would be a big improvement. Anyway, the constant negativity and cynicism is getting tiresome and I wish a few of you would just chill, suspend your disbelief for awhile and see what happens.
I see your point. However, you are coming from an extreme as well. Basing your views on the first preseason game simply isn't conclusive evidence. I wouldnt even call it strong evidence. Its nice to see they played well. But preseason is preseason. the regular season is a totally different ballgame. Me, im just looking to see the team grow, our young players step up and to build a foundation of solid young players that we can expand upon next year.
 
'dgreen said:
'Sebowski said:
'dehaven123 said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/five-observations-from-redskins-vs-steelers/2011/08/13/gIQA18cNDJ_blog.html#pagebreakFive observations from Redskins vs. Steelers

By Mike Jones

Washington Redskins’ players and coaches drew encouragement from Friday night’s 16-7 preseason victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers.

3.) Options at receiver – Last preseason, the Redskins had Santana Moss, an aged, unmotivated Joey Galloway and a bunch of unproven guys to round out their receiving corps. How different things look now. Moss is still that guy, racking up seven catches for 64 yards and a touchdown Friday night. Grossman also connected with Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin and Donte Stallworth.
:lmao: This guy can't be serious. Stallwort basically equals Galloway and then there's Gaffny (hopefully an upgrade over Roydell Williams. Other than that and a rookie, its the same exact lineup!!!
:confused: Gaffney's coming off a 65-875 season and Roydell was coming off of two years not even playing. Of course he's an upgrade.
I've just never been a Gaffney fan. I'm generally not a believer in WRs who "break out" in the 9th season with almost 900 yards and 2 whole TDs
:shrug: He's depth. He's another capable body right now. The WRs are better right now than last year. I'm not saying they're great or that it's some high praise to say they're better than last year, but Gaffney is part of that improvement.
 
'Sebowski said:
Just a few minutes. Caught a replay of one of the old Spurrier preseason games instead. Now that was an offense. :thumbup:
I've been a Redskins fan for 30+ years and I can definitely understand why some fans might be a little bitter and skeptical. I would encourage you to put away the Spurrier tapes and check out the first half of the Steelers game. Yes it's preseason and perhaps my eyes were deceiving me, but what I saw was a team of decidedly un-flashy, blue-collar guys playing smash-mouth football and holding their own against one of the best teams in the NFL. Everyone seemed to be on the same page on both sides of the ball, and there were no embarrassing breakdowns. No one fell down and quit. Even the OL played well. The Skins managed to resemble a real NFL team and they did so without their starting safeties (perhaps their 2 best players on D) and without their starting QB (arguably). Are they going to the Super Bowl this year? I highly doubt it but I think they'll be fun to watch and I don't think .500 and December playoff talk is out of the question. For me, that would be a big improvement. Anyway, the constant negativity and cynicism is getting tiresome and I wish a few of you would just chill, suspend your disbelief for awhile and see what happens.
I don't see the point in convincing myself the team will compete when all the evidence is the opposite. I'm preparing for the worst and hoping for the best as opposed to my normal way of preparing for the best and hoping for even better.
:goodposting: I will not continue to buy into Dan Snyder's KoolAide. When the team starts to put up some decent results I will be more positive.

 
Hey, I only came here to complain about all the dreadlocks the Skins are sporting these days and then someone called me Rex Grossman and where I come from, them's fightin words. I'm not drinking anybody's kool-aid but between the draft, the restraint shown in free agency and Friday's blue-collar performance against the Steelers, I think those are some positive signs. We can at least acknowledge that for a moment before spewing the usual cynicism and bitterness that we've earned as Redskins fans in the Dan Snyder era.

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Hey, I only came here to complain about all the dreadlocks the Skins are sporting these days and then someone called me Rex Grossman and where I come from, them's fightin words. I'm not drinking anybody's kool-aid but between the draft, the restraint shown in free agency and Friday's blue-collar performance against the Steelers, I think those are some positive signs. We can at least acknowledge that for a moment before spewing the usual cynicism and bitterness that we've earned as Redskins fans in the Dan Snyder era. :banned:
I've been burned one two many times thinking that the team has finally turned a corner. I do think they have been making some good moves this off season. I'm a big fan of Luck though so I hope the moves don't start to pay off until 2012.
 
Hey, I only came here to complain about all the dreadlocks the Skins are sporting these days and then someone called me Rex Grossman and where I come from, them's fightin words. I'm not drinking anybody's kool-aid but between the draft, the restraint shown in free agency and Friday's blue-collar performance against the Steelers, I think those are some positive signs. We can at least acknowledge that for a moment before spewing the usual cynicism and bitterness that we've earned as Redskins fans in the Dan Snyder era. :banned:
I've been burned one two many times thinking that the team has finally turned a corner. I do think they have been making some good moves this off season. I'm a big fan of Luck though so I hope the moves don't start to pay off until 2012.
They're approaching the corner and their turn signal is on. I'm just not convinced they're going to make the turn. They may just fly off the cliff again and yell "weeeeeeeeeeee........"
 
Hey, I only came here to complain about all the dreadlocks the Skins are sporting these days and then someone called me Rex Grossman and where I come from, them's fightin words. I'm not drinking anybody's kool-aid but between the draft, the restraint shown in free agency and Friday's blue-collar performance against the Steelers, I think those are some positive signs. We can at least acknowledge that for a moment before spewing the usual cynicism and bitterness that we've earned as Redskins fans in the Dan Snyder era. :banned:
I've been burned one two many times thinking that the team has finally turned a corner. I do think they have been making some good moves this off season. I'm a big fan of Luck though so I hope the moves don't start to pay off until 2012.
They're approaching the corner and their turn signal is on. I'm just not convinced they're going to make the turn. They may just fly off the cliff again and yell "weeeeeeeeeeee........"
:lmao:
 
I've been a Redskins fan for 30+ years and I can definitely understand why some fans might be a little bitter and skeptical. I would encourage you to put away the Spurrier tapes and check out the first half of the Steelers game. Yes it's preseason and perhaps my eyes were deceiving me, but what I saw was a team of decidedly un-flashy, blue-collar guys playing smash-mouth football and holding their own against one of the best teams in the NFL.
If you've been a fan for 30+ years (like I have) then you know the first 2 quarters of the first preseason game are meaningless.
Anyway, the constant negativity and cynicism is getting tiresome and I wish a few of you would just chill, suspend your disbelief for awhile and see what happens.
Tough ####. They've been a bad team for most of a decade and fans who care about them aren't going to avoid saying that. I've heard optimistic stuff about them every one of those last 10 preseasons and none of it matters. What matters is what they do on the field during the regular season. And during the last 2 seasons in particular they sucked major ###. As a fan I care about that more than I care about pie-in-the-sky hope.
 
I think the Skins will finish last in the NFC East this year because to me they're clearly less talented than the other 3 teams. Perhaps they'll pass the Cowboys (which would be sweet) but I don't think so this year. It seems that the people believing they might finish .500 or better are the same people who remind us that it takes years to rebuild a team. The Skins are still rebuilding, and they aren't good yet.

Grossman will not help any team perform above its ability. At best he won't hurt them overall. He'll have some big yardage games and he'll have some high turnover games. The best we can hope for is that those balance out.

To me a lot of this season depends on the defensive line play. If the LB's are constantly having to take on offensive linemen then all the plays they make will be downfield, and that's not good. The secondary is very iffy with Wilson and Hall at corner, 3/4 of Buchanon as the 3rd CB, and Landry's ongoing health problem. Without a lot of defensive line pressure the secondary could easily look very bad.

The offensive line is still iffy to me. Montgomery is a clear upgrade to Rabach but the guards seem to get overpowered, and I'm not convinced Brown will be any better than last year. To me he seems like a vet in decline. They're going to have trouble in short yardage situations since they're a smaller O-line that relies on movement, not power. Get ready for a lot of 27 yard FG's this year.

I don't mind the dreadlocks as much as I've minded the wearing-religion-on-a sleeve part of the Redskins over past years. But I recognize that people like to present themselves differently and that's their business so I don't complain about it. What I care about is blocking and tackling and burgundy and gold.

I want to see players in burgundy and gold beating the snot out of other teams again.

 
For those that missed it, Shayne Graham was officially cut (yesterday).

ETA: And from the evidence, Malcolm Kelly and James Davis will not be on this roster. Kelly still can't get on the practice field and, after not playing at all on Friday, James Davis goes AWOL for today's practice.

 
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The general consensus from the beat writers, following the first preseason game, is that the OL and DL are definitively upgraded/improved. On top of both also getting younger, that's a nice change from the past. Obviously, they are far from perfect (but to be fair, how many teams have "perfect" lines), but things in the trenches are finally moving in the right direction.

 
Some Chris Russell tweets from yesterday re: Kyle's play calling:

One thing that if this 'O' gels a bit, that #Redskins fans will love is how AGGRESSIVE Kyle is w/ play calls on 1st Down & after turnovers.
Only a preseason game, but thought Kyle called hell of a game. Loves the I-Back, PA fake on 1st down. Hit it big twice (Austin, Moss)
More Kyle aggression. Twice went deep on 1st for incompletions, after big momentum plays. 1. Stallworth after 4th conv. 2. after Banks KO
 
I just caught up with John Keim's twitter feed:

Shanahan on why james davis not here: I don't know..he's missing in action, I would say. .#redskins
Davis, it turns out, got pissed off at lack of playing/practice time, got in an argument, and left.
Torain to see hand specialist tuesday, not today. Kelly likely to get another mri. #redskins
This is a big worry with Torain. And Kelly is done in Washington.
Josh wilson held out late in practice with sore groin/hamstring. #redskins
Another big worry. Starting CB learning the system is out hurt, and #3 CB is suspended for first 4 games (and not real good besides)
Landry says he's playing vs ravens. Says he'll come off pup list this week. #redskins
Man I hope he's right, and he's healed and back. They really need him.
Gano showing why the #redskins still aren't settled at PK. Just missed 3 in a row
:lmao:
 
I'm not sure Sellers will make the team. Obviously Cooley and Davis are locks. That leaves one TE spot open between Sellers and Paulsen. Paulsen received an increasing number of snaps towards the end of last year and has seemed like a guy who the coaches liked. Despite Sellers' decline in FB production the last couple years, he has remained a solid ST player. ST, though, may be all he offers right now. I see the move from FB to TE as the coaches giving him a shot to make the team, but I'm not sure it will work.
When I started reading that Williams was taking reps at FB, this went through my mind, as well. But one of the beat writers mentioned the other day (can't remember who, or exactly when, right now) that if that were the case (that Shanahan didn't intend to keep Sellers) he probably would have been released w/ Rabach and Daniels. They were released as soon as cuts were allowed so they would have a chance to get on another team as soon as possible.
I don't think that it's a situation where they intend to cut him. If it was, I agree he'd already be cut. I think moving him to TE is a way to try and keep him on the team because they'd like to have him around if possible. I'm just not sure TE will work given the other TEs. It's definitely possible, though, that he beats out Paulsen and makes the opening roster.
I'm getting on the "Sellers will not make the team" train. He didn't play until, I believe, late in the 4th quarter last Friday, and is buried on the "official" depth chart. Also, both Paulsen and Young looked pretty good, so I don't think he's beating either of them out (in either position). I don't think ST will be enough to save Sellers a roster spot.
 
Anyone else think Portis has some good football left in him? It's crazy that he isn't on a team yet. Maybe he just doesn't want to deal with a training camp?

I really hope he doesn't end up in the East.

 
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'Sidewinder16 said:
Some Chris Russell tweets from yesterday re: Kyle's play calling:
Remember last year when McNabb asked for more bootlegs and rollouts to be called and got resistance? Looks like more of them are being called this year.
Kyle Shannahan is a spoiled little #####
 
I've been a Redskins fan for 30+ years and I can definitely understand why some fans might be a little bitter and skeptical. I would encourage you to put away the Spurrier tapes and check out the first half of the Steelers game. Yes it's preseason and perhaps my eyes were deceiving me, but what I saw was a team of decidedly un-flashy, blue-collar guys playing smash-mouth football and holding their own against one of the best teams in the NFL.
If you've been a fan for 30+ years (like I have) then you know the first 2 quarters of the first preseason game are meaningless.
Anyway, the constant negativity and cynicism is getting tiresome and I wish a few of you would just chill, suspend your disbelief for awhile and see what happens.
Tough ####. They've been a bad team for most of a decade and fans who care about them aren't going to avoid saying that. I've heard optimistic stuff about them every one of those last 10 preseasons and none of it matters. What matters is what they do on the field during the regular season. And during the last 2 seasons in particular they sucked major ###. As a fan I care about that more than I care about pie-in-the-sky hope.
Whatever. You're entitled to your opinion and I understand why you feel the way you do. To me the team looks much improved on the field and in the front office, and I won't be surprised if they finish around .500 this year. I don't think that's a pie-in-the-sky hope either.
 
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My observations from the was-pit game:

- The starting oline looked good. They created running lanes. Were solid in pass pro. And I was really surprised how athletic this whole group looked. There were guys were running 10 yards downfield looking for blocks. Chester moves extremely well. Brown looked better than he did at any point last season. It appears he's completely 100% recovered from his hip injury as far as I can tell. Even Lichtensteiger didn't look all that bad.

- The dline should be the most improved unit on the field. Bowen looked like an absolute beast. Cofield seemed to hold up well in the middle of the dline on run plays and he actually was able to generate a little bit of a pass rush on passing downs. Jenkins had an up and down game, which you would expect from a rookie, but he flashed big play potential. Overall, the dline was very disruptive and they actually generated a pass rush which I didn't see all last season.

- Grossman looked solid. The offense ran very smoothly when he was in the game. He got rid of the ball quickly and made good decisions.

- Hightower looked fairly beastly. If he can hold onto the ball (his biggest issue) he could have a very good year. He seems like a perfect fit for this offense.

- Royster seemed to have good instincts, but he's not as quick and powerful as Hightower.

- Kerrigan looked like a rookie. He made one big play on that 3rd and short, but I didn't see much of a pass rush from him.

- The defense got lucky a couple of times when db's were beat deep (at least one of them was Hall) but the Steelers couldn't capitalize.

- Banks looked electric in the return game. There's a huge dropoff after him. IMO, he makes the team again unless he gets hurt or arrested.

 
I read recently that Hightower's pass blocking is nearly as good as Portis's was. If that's true I can't wait to see that.

From what I read the DB's burned deep during the Pittsburgh game were Hall (twice) and Wilson (once).

 
Horton and Hall got in to a skirmish on this last day of training camp. Some tweets regarding the incident:

No punches thrown during the skirmish between DHall and Horton this morning. Only words, shoves and tackles. Horton's take: "S**t happens."
And the one I thought was most interesting:[QUOTE='John Keim]No; and 1 diff: Shanny got involved; Norv walked past RT @RunPortisRun @john_keim anything like the infamous Westbrook-Davis throwdown
 

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