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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Offseason Thread (2 Viewers)

Did anyone hear Sheehan on the radio today? He was going on and on for hours about how John Beck's mobility "creates an incredible amount of space" during plays. Exact quote, used over and over for hours. :lmao:
And he's right. Compared to McNabb he looks like Vick or Steve Young in the pocket. He did a great job avoiding the rush and made several completions after rolling out. So even when the Skins are moving in the right direction and showing signs of improvement you need to laugh it up huh? :thumbdown:
Skins could not be having a better start, all things considered.O line, better. Proection has been good. Run game has been stellar.D line, better. Rush has been better than expected. Signs of hope w/ Jenkins, Barry, Bowen, and Carriker in yr 2 in the system. LB's are better.Secondary, for sure a spot of concern. Situation should look better w/ OJ and Laron back in the fold, hopefully by wk 1.Young looks like a good young FB.Beck/Grossman both look capable.WR's, better than last yr. Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong have been decent.I'm cautiously optimistic going to into the last part of the pre-season and into the early part of the sched. :banned:
 
Did anyone hear Sheehan on the radio today? He was going on and on for hours about how John Beck's mobility "creates an incredible amount of space" during plays. Exact quote, used over and over for hours. :lmao:
I thought you said you didn't watch the Indy game? I thought Beck's pocket awareness and mobility was very good and a huge upgrade from Grossman, especially considering that Trent Williams was a turnstile for most of the game on passing downs.What made this even more impressive, imo, is that he just missed some time with a groin injury. This, along with previous practice reports that Grossman had looked better, had my expectations set pretty low for Beck going into the Indy game. I was pleasantly surprised by his performance, to say the least.
 
Did anyone hear Sheehan on the radio today? He was going on and on for hours about how John Beck's mobility "creates an incredible amount of space" during plays. Exact quote, used over and over for hours. :lmao:
And he's right. Compared to McNabb he looks like Vick or Steve Young in the pocket. He did a great job avoiding the rush and made several completions after rolling out. So even when the Skins are moving in the right direction and showing signs of improvement you need to laugh it up huh? :thumbdown:
Hi Kevin.
 
Did anyone hear Sheehan on the radio today? He was going on and on for hours about how John Beck's mobility "creates an incredible amount of space" during plays. Exact quote, used over and over for hours. :lmao:
I thought you said you didn't watch the Indy game?
I didn't.I just know that one preseason performance against a team that lays down for preseason games does not indicate that a QB will be "creating an incredible amount of space" each game he plays for the Redskins, which was Sheehan's point.
 
Disillusioned, overly-negative fan comments negatively upon play from a preseason game he hasn't even watched.

Sounds about right.

 
4-page article from Rich Campbell; good analysis as usual. His description of Hightower's big run is good.

Let’s go from left to right up front: TE Logan Paulen chipped DE Dwight Freeney before getting to the second level and blocking MLB Gary Brackett. LT Trent Williams’ footwork was impeccable in blocking Freeney out of the play to the left. LG Kory Lichtensteiger chipped the defensive tackle in front of him before getting to LB Pat Angerer. C Will Montgomery stayed low enough while running to push DT Antonio Johnson back, preventing him from filling the hole. RG Chris Chester ran 12 yards (!) beyond the line of scrimmage to block FS Antoine Bethea. RT Jammal Brown cut the backside defensive end.

The result? “I saw a hole open up that a truck could drive through,” said Hightower, who made SS Melvin Bullitt miss.
Campbell's a good writer and reporter, quite the opposite of Sheehan. Sheehan was good when he was second fiddle on Riggins' old show, because he was there for information and Riggins was controlling where the show went. Now that Sheehan's all over ESPN980 his homerism and PR work for the front office take the place of so much of the information he used to give out. Sad to see a guy go downhill like that, but I guess the money's better.
 
Also from Campbell's article:

Staying in the backfield a bit longer, FB Darrel Young is fun to watch as a lead blocker. You can tell he just loves contact. He sealed the edge on RB Tim Hightower‘s 1-yard touchdown plunge. He also has some moves in the open field. After breaking three tackles on a catch against Pittsburgh last week, he broke two more on an 11-yard catch that started Washington’s second drive against Indy.If Mike Shanahan was unsure whether Young could handle first-string fullback responsibilities, he should have a pretty good idea by now.
Sounds like they've finally found a replacement for Sellers, which is good. Sellers has gone downhill in blocking, receiving, and rushing the last couple years.
 
Campbell also has a 3-page article on the defense.

NT Barry Cofield was a major reason the Redskins held Indianapolis to 41 yards in the first half. The Colts couldn’t move him out of the middle. Perhaps regular-season opponents will gameplan for Cofield and block him with more double teams, but so far he has anchored well inside against the run. He helped keep ILB Rocky McIntosh clean to make a tackle on a 3-yard run on the Colts‘ opening drive.

Again this week, Cofield showed a pass-rushing ability that was missing last season. He’s quick off the ball and very good with his hands. He batted down one pass and helped collapse the pocket on others. So far, so good on that free-agent signing.
Rookie S DeJon Gomes thrived around the line of scrimmage for the second straight game. Redskins‘ coaches have simplified his responsibilities as he tries to grasp the mental requirements of playing safety, and near the line he can just go get the ball. Gomes hit QB Dan Orlovsky on CB Brandyn Thompson’s interception. Before that, he burst forward in run support and tackled RB Javarris James for a 2-yard gain.
The defense really needs Landry back though. He was ready to be activated from his Achilles surgery recovery and then he hurt his hamstring.
 
Sorry, nothing real to add here.Just wondering who else felt that earthquake!Crazy!
I had to get out of the building at work because it sounded like the roof was coming apart, or down. Luckily it didn't. Some old church in Fells Point was damaged pretty badly.
 
Disillusioned, overly-negative fan comments negatively upon play from a preseason game he hasn't even watched.Sounds about right.
No different from the Disillusioned, overly-positive fan comments from fans drinking Danny's KoolAide. The team is in year 2 of a multi year re-build. If they win 6 games I will be shocked.
 
Disillusioned, overly-negative fan comments negatively upon play from a preseason game he hasn't even watched.Sounds about right.
No different from the Disillusioned, overly-positive fan comments from fans drinking Danny's KoolAide. The team is in year 2 of a multi year re-build. If they win 6 games I will be shocked.
Disillusioned isn't the word you're looking for. And I really think you should prepare to be shocked. I was saying this before preseason, too. So its not that.
 
'ConnSKINS26 said:
'thayman said:
'ConnSKINS26 said:
Disillusioned, overly-negative fan comments negatively upon play from a preseason game he hasn't even watched.Sounds about right.
No different from the Disillusioned, overly-positive fan comments from fans drinking Danny's KoolAide. The team is in year 2 of a multi year re-build. If they win 6 games I will be shocked.
Disillusioned isn't the word you're looking for. And I really think you should prepare to be shocked. I was saying this before preseason, too. So its not that.
Well I hope it isn't preseason. Beating The Steelers in their first preseason game and beating a Manningless Colts is hardly something to base a thought process that this team will run away with the NFC East.
 
'ConnSKINS26 said:
'thayman said:
'ConnSKINS26 said:
Disillusioned, overly-negative fan comments negatively upon play from a preseason game he hasn't even watched.Sounds about right.
No different from the Disillusioned, overly-positive fan comments from fans drinking Danny's KoolAide. The team is in year 2 of a multi year re-build. If they win 6 games I will be shocked.
Disillusioned isn't the word you're looking for. And I really think you should prepare to be shocked. I was saying this before preseason, too. So its not that.
Well I hope it isn't preseason. Beating The Steelers in their first preseason game and beating a Manningless Colts is hardly something to base a thought process that this team will run away with the NFC East.
Who said the Redskins were going to "run away with the NFC East?" I notice this dynamic online and also on talk radio. Many folks think if someone is trying to positive about something that the Redskins are doing this year that they are automatically unrealistic, in denial, drinking koolaid, etc, the implication being that if you are overly critical of everything the Redskins do, then you are "smart," "realistic," and "logical." It's true, there are people who are wildly unrealistic about the Redskins chances; however, it really is possible to be positive about the developments the team has made without being "in denial." Lost in all of the talk about how the first 2 preseason games are "meaningless" is the simple and obvious fact that the Redskins have not always looked good even in these meaningless games. In other words, even if everything is vanilla and meaningless, you still need to try to get work in and execute your plays to the best of your ability -- and the fact that they have been able to do that is a positive thing (stop here -- this does not mean I am predicting them to win more than 6 games...I am just saying it is positive improvement). Now, here's a question: if Beck went 4-15 vs. Indianapolis, would everyone say that it was "meaningless" and "meant nothing." Of course not. They would say it was a disaster and showed Shanahan to be an incompetant egomaniac and so forth and that the team had no shot at improving this year. So, Beck goes out and does well. Does it mean that the Redskins are going to the playoffs? Of course not. Does it mean they'll even win more games than last year. Not necessarily, no. They may only win 5-6 games this year, with a tough schedule and with inexperience at QB. However, with that said, you cannot deny that they have made some significant improvements in the offseason at many, many areas, including O and D lines and RB for instance.I think what irks some folks about the overly critical approach to anything and everything the Redskins do is that daggone it, we should be critical of the team when there bad but we can be positive when they do something right. And, you can be positive while being realistic and not predicting a Super Bowl. Poo-pooing everything is often a way of looking like you are realistic when everyone else is in denial, but unfortunately that's just a pose -- life (and football) is more nuanced than that. My honest assessment -- the team is getting younger, faster and improving but still is 1-2 years away from realistic shot at playoffs, and even that's not assured. But, I also want to be able to watch this season and root for my team to win every game without having to answer to my being "in denial" all the time. I watch football for fun, to root for my team, and to hope for them to win every game (why otherwise would you even watch the damn game)...but you can hope and be positive without being stupid.
 
we should be critical of the team when there bad but we can be positive when they do something right.
I agree with you on this.But look at what I posted recently --- some detailed articles and clips of praise by Rich Campbell, and my criticism of hopeless homer and apologist Kevin Sheehan -- and you'll see the problem. No one is reacting to what Rich Campbell said in my links, even though much of it is good and he wrote 7 pages of detailed stuff. People instead are crying because I criticized Sheehan for being a homer.Well boo hoo. If people want to talk realistically about the Redskins, so do I. That's what I'm here for. But it seems like some people need unrealistic optimism and cheerleading, year after year, and have problems when bad performances are discussed as bad performances.Each year we have people in our talks here who just cannot stand criticism of their team, who try to deflect it or explain it away or attack the person doing the criticizing. I think those people should grow some skin and not expect this to be a rah rah fest when the team is bad. When a team is bad for 10 years there's going to be more negative talk about them than positive talk if people are realistic.I heard the optimistic homers tell me Joe Gibbs had a plan his second time here, and it would take years for it to work out. He left his second stint here with a losing record.I heard the optimistic homers tall me Steve Spurrier had a plan, and it would take years for it to work out. Spurrier was a wreck who left in disgrace, and he never did have a clue despite people saying he had a plan.Hell, people even defended Zorn after it was clear he was incompetent as a head coach, couldn't run a practice, and couldn't even get plays run in time during games. The homers never started criticizing him until Vinnie and the front office started with their anonymous sniping campaign.And now here we go again this year. As soon as something is criticized, people start crying about negative posts. Kevin Sheehan isn't even a Redskin, and people are more concerned about protecting him from criticism than in what Rich Campbell wrote.Pretty easy to see what's wrong here.
 
we should be critical of the team when there bad but we can be positive when they do something right.
I agree with you on this.But look at what I posted recently --- some detailed articles and clips of praise by Rich Campbell, and my criticism of hopeless homer and apologist Kevin Sheehan -- and you'll see the problem. No one is reacting to what Rich Campbell said in my links, even though much of it is good and he wrote 7 pages of detailed stuff. People instead are crying because I criticized Sheehan for being a homer.Well boo hoo. If people want to talk realistically about the Redskins, so do I. That's what I'm here for. But it seems like some people need unrealistic optimism and cheerleading, year after year, and have problems when bad performances are discussed as bad performances.Each year we have people in our talks here who just cannot stand criticism of their team, who try to deflect it or explain it away or attack the person doing the criticizing. I think those people should grow some skin and not expect this to be a rah rah fest when the team is bad. When a team is bad for 10 years there's going to be more negative talk about them than positive talk if people are realistic.I heard the optimistic homers tell me Joe Gibbs had a plan his second time here, and it would take years for it to work out. He left his second stint here with a losing record.I heard the optimistic homers tall me Steve Spurrier had a plan, and it would take years for it to work out. Spurrier was a wreck who left in disgrace, and he never did have a clue despite people saying he had a plan.Hell, people even defended Zorn after it was clear he was incompetent as a head coach, couldn't run a practice, and couldn't even get plays run in time during games. The homers never started criticizing him until Vinnie and the front office started with their anonymous sniping campaign.And now here we go again this year. As soon as something is criticized, people start crying about negative posts. Kevin Sheehan isn't even a Redskin, and people are more concerned about protecting him from criticism than in what Rich Campbell wrote.Pretty easy to see what's wrong here.
I definitely see what you are saying and I hope you didn't think I was signaling you out in my post above. I didn't mean it to come off that way, ok? But yeah, I've been a Redskins fan since I was a little kid back when Billy Kilmer was the QB, so I have seen all of this ebb and flow through the years. For sure, we should be able to criticize the team when they f up, and there has been LOTS of f ups through the years (particularly since Dan Snyder took over.) I'm also not defending folks who are jumping the gun and saying we are done the rebuilding phase. I just wish we could get a point "in between" where folks could have some cautious -- but not unrealistic -- optimism. I mean, football is a recreation for me. I watch the games cuz I want to root for my team and see them win. I could go into this season and say, "ok, they'll win 4 games" and look at every game picking apart how terrible each component is. And -- I would be miserable. Now, why on earth would I go out of my way to choose a recreational activity, so that I could be miserable. How sensible is that? Wouldn't it make more sense to be realistic, yes, but try to notice the positive and be -- dare I say -- hopeful? There is a difference between hope and foolishness. Where I think it is dangerous is when pundits and so forth as you say convince us that we are DEFINITELY back when we are NOT there AT ALL. Then you are building folks up for a fall. But, if you can hope but also be realistic, I honestly think you enjoy football a lot more. It's still a game.
 
'fatness said:
Did anyone hear Sheehan on the radio today? He was going on and on for hours about how John Beck's mobility "creates an incredible amount of space" during plays. Exact quote, used over and over for hours. :lmao:
I thought you said you didn't watch the Indy game?
I didn't.I just know that one preseason performance against a team that lays down for preseason games does not indicate that a QB will be "creating an incredible amount of space" each game he plays for the Redskins, which was Sheehan's point.
Fwiw, I've read the rest of the thread, but I'm just going to respond to this post. It seems like you hate (or at least seriously dislike) this Sheehan guy. I have no idea who he is, nor do I care. I don't have any idea how over the top he was on the radio, as I didn't hear him. What I do know is that I find it absurd that you, normally a very credible poster, is sticking to your guns arguing about something when you didn't even watch the game against Indy.And you're only half right about the Colts laying down. Sure, their offense lays down every game they play without Manning, whether it's the preseason or regular season. But the Colts pass rush sure as hell wasn't laying down in the 1st half last Friday night. They were coming after Beck hard every pass play and got 3 sacks, IIRC. Beck did look good "creating space" (or whatever you want to call it) against the Colts' pass rush. There was one play in particular that stood out to me, in the 2nd quarter when Beck dropped straight back and Williams got beat by the pass rusher (again) who nearly strip sacked Beck. Had Grossman been in there, this would of been a strip sack 90%+ of the time, since he has major issues stepping up in the pocket. Beck, however, felt the pressure, moved to the left away from danger, kept his eyes downfield and fired a bullet to Stallworth for about a 20 yard gain. Thats something I've rarely seen a Redskins qb do over the last decade.
 
'fatness said:
Rookie WR Niles Paul showed some potential as a punt returner working with the second-string special teams unit, averaging almost 10 yards on four returns. His refusal to call for any fair catches despite being in traffic was admirable. You don’t make the team calling for fair catches. He appeared to see lanes well and ultimately prioritized getting upfield instead of running laterally, which he did on his first return.

Paul’s block of an Indy gunner helped spring WR Terrence Austin‘s 29-yard punt return in the first half. I don’t think the Redskins can expect to stash Paul on their practice squad. Some team out there would claim him for its active roster. A Redskins veteran recently said that Paul, a fifth-rounder, has impressed him more as a receiver than third-round WR Leonard Hankerson. He’s worth keeping around, but at whose expense?
Looks like Campbell has the same take as me wrt Paul's chances of making it to the Skins practice squad. This is the first I've heard of him looking more impressive in camp than Hankerson.
 
Sorry, nothing real to add here.Just wondering who else felt that earthquake!Crazy!
From PFT on the possible cause of the earthquake:
Rapoport also points out that he can’t confirm that Haynesworth’s participation in practice caused the D.C. earthquake. We can confirm, however, that Haynesworth’s presence indeed sparked a hockey game in hell.
 
Some good stuff from Keim. Lol at #7.

Redskins notes: Will Landry be ready for the opener?

By: John Keim | Examiner Staff Writer | Follow him @john_keim | 08/23/11 9:11 PM

. 1. Strong safety LaRon Landry said he still hopes to play in the season opener. But he admitted that he’s not really sure when he’ll be able to start practicing again thanks to his injured right hamstring. Landry said he was ready to return this week after missing the previous three weeks of camp because of his Achilles.

“I’m a little upset,” Landry said. “It happens. Better it happens now than going into the season. My Achilles is fine, I was ready to go. I couldn’t wait. Now I’ve just got to wait and see what happens.”

Landry injured his hamstring running sprints before the Indianapolis game Friday. The injury occurred on the last sprint he was scheduled to run.

“I was trying to idle down and felt a little pop and was like, Oh [crud],” Landry said. “I was upset.”

2. Coach Mike Shanahan said he’s still not sure if Adam Carriker will be able to play Thursday because of blisters on his feet. Shanahan also said he’s not sure how he’ll split the carries at running back after starter Tim Hightower. Evan Royster, a sixth-round pick and Westfield alum, did not play vs. the Colts. I'd be surprised if he doesn't play Thursday. And I'd want Roy Helu to play, too; just to see how he handles blitzes.

3. Receiver Donte Stallworth has had a solid camp, though it remains uncertain if it will be enough to earn a roster spot. Will they keep him at the expense of a young receiver? Of course, if Brandon Banks isn’t ready for the start of the season they could keep Stallworth and use Terrence Austin on returns.

In two preseason games he’s caught four passes for 69 yards. He’s looked, oh, 10 times better than Joey Galloway last season. But Stallworth would like to show more of his game.

“There are other things I can do,” Stallworth said. “Not saying I haven’t had the opportunity… but I like to catch the short passes and run, that’s what I like to do. I’ve had plenty of opportunities to go down the field and do different things and read coverages.”

4. Shanahan on the red zone issues: “You have to look at why you made mistakes. A lot of times you have long drives and maybe a penalty, maybe a dropped ball, maybe a missed assignment. The hard part is consistency in whatever you do. … We still have a long ways to go.”

Got a couple thoughts on the red zone woes. First, they are in position to score a lot of points and that’s a good thing. They’re moving the ball better. But once inside the 20, I wonder if they have enough playmakers to threaten teams. The scheme gets them to the 20, but the talent needs to take over the smaller the field gets. That means their line has to improve their pass-protection when it’s a straight dropback and the receivers have to make plays.

I also know the Redskins haven’t game planned in the red zone yet. But guess what? Neither have the defenses they’ve faced.

5. Yes, this is a big preseason game because it’s the third one. But teams still only show so much on the field. They just play their starters more. For Shanahan, he uses this week in part to show the scout team how he wants them to work during the regular season. He wants them practicing at a certain tempo and this affords him that opportunity.

6. Shanahan said both quarterbacks would play with the starters vs. Baltimore. Makes sense. I’d still start John Beck to see how he handles the Ravens’ defensive pressure. That was one concern people had of him coming out of school. He struggled with this while in Miami – yes, with a bad team. May as well see how he handles it now.

7. Tell me if this quote comes from Barry Cofield or Albert Haynesworth. Might be hard to tell.

“My job is to make sure London Fletcher has 200 tackles. If he has any less than that I’ll be disappointed.”

If you guessed Cofield, you’re right. Yes, this sort of thinking represents a major departure from Haynesworth, who wanted only to pressure the passer and make big plays. Refreshing is one word that comes to mind.

“I always felt I had the right skill set [to play nose],” Cofield said. “And I play with leverage and technique. … The willingness to go in there and bang and play a position that [doesn’t have] a lot of glory attached, I have that mentality.”

9. Both buildings at Redskins Park shook for maybe 10 to 15 seconds because of the earthquake this afternoon. Sort of a weird feeling. The building moved; it felt like trucks were passing underneath us (had the same sensation being in the old Mile High press box in Denver when the crowd cheered). It took a couple seconds to realize what was going on. Being on the East Coast, we’re not used to that sort of thing. Fortunately there was no damage, but there were a lot of cracks about Haynesworth.

Guard Artis Hicks told WUSA-TV, “If that’s what it’s like living in California, then I don’t want to live in California.”

10. Wrote a story on Jarvis Jenkins for Wednesday’s Examiner. If the coaches can get him to play with consistent technique, he could be really good. Remember the play vs. the Colts in which he drew a holding penalty – on Ryan Kerrigan’s sack? Had Jenkins used proper technique – like bend his knees – he could have made a huge play. Think about it; he shoved the center back and drew a hold without bending his knees that much.

11. Shanahan on Anthony Armstrong: “He’s had a heck of a camp. He’s playing with an excellent attitude. He’s playing like an experienced wide receiver. Anytime a guy is fighting for a position, a lot of times you get nervous and sometimes their concentration drops a little bit. I’ve seen him play with a lot of confidence and he’s making some plays.”

12. Guys like Armstrong help you win. Why? Because he pushed himself harder after the Redskins drafted three receivers. It forced him to maintain that chip on his shoulder. Now, even if he’s not one of your top two, he’s probably better than a year ago and now you have a decent No. 3 or 4 (if Leonard Hankerson pans out). But it’ll be a credit to Armstrong’s attitude that he didn’t think he had “arrived” after just one pretty good season.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/08/redskins-notes-landry-update#ixzz1VxkXQPqp
 
Some good stuff from Keim.

4. Shanahan on the red zone issues: “You have to look at why you made mistakes. A lot of times you have long drives and maybe a penalty, maybe a dropped ball, maybe a missed assignment. The hard part is consistency in whatever you do. … We still have a long ways to go.”

Got a couple thoughts on the red zone woes. First, they are in position to score a lot of points and that’s a good thing. They’re moving the ball better. But once inside the 20, I wonder if they have enough playmakers to threaten teams. The scheme gets them to the 20, but the talent needs to take over the smaller the field gets. That means their line has to improve their pass-protection when it’s a straight dropback and the receivers have to make plays.

I also know the Redskins haven’t game planned in the red zone yet. But guess what? Neither have the defenses they’ve faced.
I get where this idea is coming from (no, or not enough, "playmakers") and I agree (to an extent), but I hope Keim and others remember that guys like Rod Smith and Terrell Davis weren't playmakers, until they were. It seems Shanahan's MO is to find guys, even nobodies, who "fit the system" and who are willing to work hard in the system. Now, is Anthony Armstrong the next Rod Smith, or is Royster or Helu the next Terrell Davis? I'm not predicting that. But I guess I'd rather hold off on labeling the team as not having enough playmakers until the players have shown that they actually can't make plays.
 
Some good stuff from Keim.

4. Shanahan on the red zone issues: “You have to look at why you made mistakes. A lot of times you have long drives and maybe a penalty, maybe a dropped ball, maybe a missed assignment. The hard part is consistency in whatever you do. … We still have a long ways to go.”

Got a couple thoughts on the red zone woes. First, they are in position to score a lot of points and that’s a good thing. They’re moving the ball better. But once inside the 20, I wonder if they have enough playmakers to threaten teams. The scheme gets them to the 20, but the talent needs to take over the smaller the field gets. That means their line has to improve their pass-protection when it’s a straight dropback and the receivers have to make plays.

I also know the Redskins haven’t game planned in the red zone yet. But guess what? Neither have the defenses they’ve faced.
I get where this idea is coming from (no, or not enough, "playmakers") and I agree (to an extent), but I hope Keim and others remember that guys like Rod Smith and Terrell Davis weren't playmakers, until they were. It seems Shanahan's MO is to find guys, even nobodies, who "fit the system" and who are willing to work hard in the system. Now, is Anthony Armstrong the next Rod Smith, or is Royster or Helu the next Terrell Davis? I'm not predicting that. But I guess I'd rather hold off on labeling the team as not having enough playmakers until the players have shown that they actually can't make plays.
I think this third preseason game will be an important testing grounds for a couple of these concepts:1. Red Zone Offense -- now that the Redskins are supposedly game planning for this match up, when they get into the red zone, we really need to look at several things. First, is the run blocking down in close. Last year, there were times where Ryan Torain showed that he POTENTIALLY had the ruggedness to get into the end zone if he had a sufficient hole. Remember the first game vs. Philly when he ran over the guy from Philly's secondary (can't remember the name)...also isn't Hightower supposed to be a guy who can get into the end zone? I'm not saying Torain is Mr. Playmaker, but honestly, I have no doubt that either of these running backs "can" do it, but the key is more in the offensive line than the RB I believe. The other thing is, they need to see if Hankerson can go in there and snag a high fade or something from Beck or Grossman. Defnitely something to watch in the first game.

2. Deep Ball -- there is a lot of chatter about how Beck can hit the short/intermediate throws but fails at the deep ball. This third game is where they need to try it with live bullets so they know what they have. If Beck can deliver any kind of deep ball, then I think this solidifies him as starter, because he would then have the advantage over Grossman in terms of mobility and turnovers. Grossman's edge right now is somewhat the deep ball, but that's tenuous because of his penchant for the turnover.

2 keys to watch in this game.

 
As a non-Skins fan stuck in DC, I just don't understand what past experience has to do with this year's team. This is EASILY the most new faces brought in during the off-season and not a single one is a guy looking to make his cake and be lazy. From smart veteran FA acquisitions, to shrewd draft day trades for multiple picks, and steals like Holliday for Hightower, nothing about this off-season should remind you of Gibbs, Zorn, Spurrier and the like.

Not everything is business as usual, despite that being our mindset in Washington. Shanahan and Allen cleared house of the useless scum infecting the lockerroom and brought in guys that want to play. Stop living in the past and look at what is actually happening now. It is different, and when your biggest beef is 'we do this every year' then how are you not pleased that they didn't do it this year? :confused:

 
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As a non-Skins fan stuck in DC, I just don't understand what past experience has to do with this year's team. This is EASILY the most new faces brought in during the off-season and not a single one is a guy looking to make his cake and be lazy. From smart veteran FA acquisitions, to shrewd draft day trades for multiple picks, and steals like Holliday for Hightower, nothing about this off-season should remind you of Gibbs, Zorn, Spurrier and the like.

Not everything is business as usual, despite that being our mindset in Washington. Shanahan and Allen cleared house of the useless scum infecting the lockerroom and brought in guys that want to play. Stop living in the past and look at what is actually happening now. It is different, and when your biggest beef is 'we do this every year' then how are you not pleased that they didn't do it this year? :confused:
As a lifelong Skins fan who really doesnt care about the opinion of someone who thinks they are "stuck" in DC, let me add a few things in response.1) What past experience has to do with this team is that, as an organization, this franchise has been piss poor for nearly 20 years. With numerous coaches, countless players, different schemes, etc. the constant under Daniel Snyder has been a less than mediocre product on the field. So many of us are in "wait and see" mode until this organization proves it can put a consistent winner on the field.

2) I will agree that this off-season has been different than years past in that the FAs they acquired were younger players with more modest contracts but it's yet to be seen how things will play out. The starting QB for this team will either be John Beck or Rex Grossman (no comment necessary), we still have to see how the new acquisitions gel on a 3-4 defense that was dreadful in many respects last season, and we still have to see how the offensive line plays once the regular season begins. (Yes, they've been better than expected and outright impressive in the pre-season).

3) Third, Shanny and Allen cleared "lockerroom problems" that were largely their making in the first place. So sorry, if I'm not jumping through hoops that they appeared to have gotten rid of problems they played a large part in creating themselves.

Now having said all of that, The team has looked fairly good through 2 pre-season games. Many of the areas of concern appear to have been addressed, and I am SLOWLY seeing a long term vision in place. But please spare me the "living in the past" BS or the mischaracterization of some fans concerns as "we do this every year."

As a fan who has lived through the highest of highs and lowest of lows with this franchise, I think I, and others, have every right to say that we want to see consistent RESULTS and a CLEAR vision for this team before we pound sunshine like some of the eternal optimists out there. And sorry, two pre-season games do not qualify as consistent results.

 
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I'm not saying Torain is Mr. Playmaker, but honestly, I have no doubt that either of these running backs "can" do it, but the key is more in the offensive line than the RB I believe.
I agree. Thinking more about the "playmakers" aspect, I think a big factor that allowed guys like Rod Smith and Terrell Davis to go from hardly, or not even, draftable to playmaker is the OL. While the 2011 Redskins OL has certainly shown improvement over the 2010 version, it still appears to lack a Gary Zimmerman, Tom Nalen or Mark Schlereth (stating the obvious? :) ). Obviously, the Broncos OL of the '90's had all 3 of those guys at points, so the re-build of the 'Skins OL (oh, how I still hate Vinny Cerrato) has a ways to go, IMO. It's probably asking too much for rookies like Hankerson, Royster and Helu to be playmakers when the OL is still middling, at best.
 
As a non-Skins fan stuck in DC, I just don't understand what past experience has to do with this year's team. This is EASILY the most new faces brought in during the off-season and not a single one is a guy looking to make his cake and be lazy. From smart veteran FA acquisitions, to shrewd draft day trades for multiple picks, and steals like Holliday for Hightower, nothing about this off-season should remind you of Gibbs, Zorn, Spurrier and the like.

Not everything is business as usual, despite that being our mindset in Washington. Shanahan and Allen cleared house of the useless scum infecting the lockerroom and brought in guys that want to play. Stop living in the past and look at what is actually happening now. It is different, and when your biggest beef is 'we do this every year' then how are you not pleased that they didn't do it this year? :confused:
As a lifelong Skins fan who really doesnt care about the opinion of someone who thinks they are "stuck" in DC, let me add a few things in response.1) What past experience has to do with this team is that, as an organization, this franchise has been piss poor for nearly 20 years. With numerous coaches, countless players, different schemes, etc. the constant under Daniel Snyder has been a less than mediocre product on the field. So many of us are in "wait and see" mode until this organization proves it can put a consistent winner on the field.

2) I will agree that this off-season has been different than years past in that the FAs they acquired were younger players with more modest contracts but it's yet to be seen how things will play out. The starting QB for this team will either be John Beck or Rex Grossman (no comment necessary), we still have to see how the new acquisitions gel on a 3-4 defense that was dreadful in many respects last season, and we still have to see how the offensive line plays once the regular season begins. (Yes, they've been better than expected and outright impressive in the pre-season).

3) Third, Shanny and Allen cleared "lockerroom problems" that were largely their making in the first place. So sorry, if I'm not jumping through hoops that they appeared to have gotten rid of problems they played a large part in creating themselves.

Now having said all of that, The team has looked fairly good through 2 pre-season games. Many of the areas of concern appear to have been addressed, and I am SLOWLY seeing a long term vision in place. But please spare me the "living in the past" BS or the mischaracterization of some fans concerns as "we do this every year."

As a fan who has lived through the highest of highs and lowest of lows with this franchise, I think I, and others, have every right to say that we want to see consistent RESULTS and a CLEAR vision for this team before we pound sunshine like some of the eternal optimists out there. And sorry, two pre-season games do not qualify as consistent results.
Here is my view of this as a long time fan (from Kilmer era):1. Real problems begun with Snyder. Cooke was a fabulous owner...one of the best. Back then, we had an owner that made us competitive every year as teams with strong ownership do now (New England and Pittsburgh for example.) Strong ownership = strong organization...that is clearly true. That said, the litmas test for this team is if Snyder shows patience with Shanahan. He and Allen ARE trying to right the ship now, but they will not likely go to the playoffs this year. However, people can and do change; we have to wait and see if Snyder has learned from his mistakes and is willing to build over the long hall with this new staff. If he is, then we have a good combo in an owner - willing to spend money AND willing to be patient with football guys. We do have to wait and see here, but I am optimistic so far.

2. It's only been 2 games, but I do think the changes to get young are showing real signs of improvement. I know it's not a long term trend, but based on what I see, the team is starting to move in the right direction. The key, once more, is if Snyder lets this continue even if we have to continue building next year, perhaps with a new QB (which I think we should pick even if Beck succeeds...after all, how long did Rodgers stay on the bench before getting a chance?)

3. To be fair, Shanahan inherited Haynesworth. He did bring McNabb in, and that was a monster miscalculation. But I'll give him a pass on Al...he just tried to squeeze something out of him first before cutting him loose.

I am cautiously optimistic...but also ready for another lean hear if the team retains the staff and keeps trying to build. To me, the key is Snyder's patience. That's what it all comes down to.

 
As a non-Skins fan stuck in DC, I just don't understand what past experience has to do with this year's team. This is EASILY the most new faces brought in during the off-season and not a single one is a guy looking to make his cake and be lazy. From smart veteran FA acquisitions, to shrewd draft day trades for multiple picks, and steals like Holliday for Hightower, nothing about this off-season should remind you of Gibbs, Zorn, Spurrier and the like.

Not everything is business as usual, despite that being our mindset in Washington. Shanahan and Allen cleared house of the useless scum infecting the lockerroom and brought in guys that want to play. Stop living in the past and look at what is actually happening now. It is different, and when your biggest beef is 'we do this every year' then how are you not pleased that they didn't do it this year? :confused:
As a lifelong Skins fan who really doesnt care about the opinion of someone who thinks they are "stuck" in DC, let me add a few things in response.
Not sure why that was necessary. I like DC, but don't root for the Skins since I had a team before arriving. So as a fan, I'm stuck in enemy territory.
1) What past experience has to do with this team is that, as an organization, this franchise has been piss poor for nearly 20 years. With numerous coaches, countless players, different schemes, etc. the constant under Daniel Snyder has been a less than mediocre product on the field. So many of us are in "wait and see" mode until this organization proves it can put a consistent winner on the field.
We all said the same about the Saints and Tom Benson. Then they finally hired a coach and GM who cleaned house and brought in workers, so we knew things were changing (as long as they didn't fire Payton early, which is certainly a risk here so I buy that paranoia from Skins fans).
2) I will agree that this off-season has been different than years past in that the FAs they acquired were younger players with more modest contracts but it's yet to be seen how things will play out. The starting QB for this team will either be John Beck or Rex Grossman (no comment necessary), we still have to see how the new acquisitions gel on a 3-4 defense that was dreadful in many respects last season, and we still have to see how the offensive line plays once the regular season begins. (Yes, they've been better than expected and outright impressive in the pre-season).
I think Beck will do just fine. It's this 'we always have to have a star made elsewhere' mentality that prevents Skins fans from accepting they can actually grow their own talent in house. Just because a guy doesn't have a resume before coming here, doesn't mean he can't build one now. As for the 3-4, clearly having DTs that don't lay on the ground will make a big difference.
3) Third, Shanny and Allen cleared "lockerroom problems" that were largely their making in the first place. So sorry, if I'm not jumping through hoops that they appeared to have gotten rid of problems they played a large part in creating themselves.
Highly disagree. They did not bring in Haynesworth, but to me the bigger problem has always been Portis. I simply don't know how a football team could ever be successful with arguably its most talented veteran star sitting out every single practice. Free agents come in, see Portis living the good life, and they just do the same. Getting rid of that cancer has been long overdue. I don't care how well he blocks or how beloved he was. The football team is better off without him.
Now having said all of that, The team has looked fairly good through 2 pre-season games. Many of the areas of concern appear to have been addressed, and I am SLOWLY seeing a long term vision in place. But please spare me the "living in the past" BS or the mischaracterization of some fans concerns as "we do this every year."

As a fan who has lived through the highest of highs and lowest of lows with this franchise, I think I, and others, have every right to say that we want to see consistent RESULTS and a CLEAR vision for this team before we pound sunshine like some of the eternal optimists out there. And sorry, two pre-season games do not qualify as consistent results.
I've seen the highs and lows of this franchise too, just without the emotional investment. This is why I chimed in - Redskins fans seem to be so abused that they can't recognize positives. It seemed like an outside perspective could be useful in here. You do not know John Beck will stink, so why assume he's a weak link? There are only 32 jobs in the league; it's really not that big of an indictment that he hasn't won one yet. History is littered with guys that waited their turn. One would think you'd get much more enjoyment out of seeing him succeed than the Eagles HOF QB.
 
As a non-Skins fan stuck in DC, I just don't understand what past experience has to do with this year's team. This is EASILY the most new faces brought in during the off-season and not a single one is a guy looking to make his cake and be lazy. From smart veteran FA acquisitions, to shrewd draft day trades for multiple picks, and steals like Holliday for Hightower, nothing about this off-season should remind you of Gibbs, Zorn, Spurrier and the like.

Not everything is business as usual, despite that being our mindset in Washington. Shanahan and Allen cleared house of the useless scum infecting the lockerroom and brought in guys that want to play. Stop living in the past and look at what is actually happening now. It is different, and when your biggest beef is 'we do this every year' then how are you not pleased that they didn't do it this year? :confused:
Thanks for the outside perspective. Its sad that it actually HAS to come from the outside in this thread, most of the time.
 
As a non-Skins fan stuck in DC, I just don't understand what past experience has to do with this year's team. This is EASILY the most new faces brought in during the off-season and not a single one is a guy looking to make his cake and be lazy. From smart veteran FA acquisitions, to shrewd draft day trades for multiple picks, and steals like Holliday for Hightower, nothing about this off-season should remind you of Gibbs, Zorn, Spurrier and the like.

Not everything is business as usual, despite that being our mindset in Washington. Shanahan and Allen cleared house of the useless scum infecting the lockerroom and brought in guys that want to play. Stop living in the past and look at what is actually happening now. It is different, and when your biggest beef is 'we do this every year' then how are you not pleased that they didn't do it this year? :confused:
As a lifelong Skins fan who really doesnt care about the opinion of someone who thinks they are "stuck" in DC, let me add a few things in response.
Not sure why that was necessary. I like DC, but don't root for the Skins since I had a team before arriving. So as a fan, I'm stuck in enemy territory.Wasn't necessary but how I felt like responding at the moment. No malice intended. I lived in the Chicago area for three years and often commented on the Bears from an "outside" perspective. Never would have opened up by saying "As a non Bears fan stuck in Chicago," but who cares. Really has nothing to do with the discussion.

1) What past experience has to do with this team is that, as an organization, this franchise has been piss poor for nearly 20 years. With numerous coaches, countless players, different schemes, etc. the constant under Daniel Snyder has been a less than mediocre product on the field. So many of us are in "wait and see" mode until this organization proves it can put a consistent winner on the field.
We all said the same about the Saints and Tom Benson. Then they finally hired a coach and GM who cleaned house and brought in workers, so we knew things were changing (as long as they didn't fire Payton early, which is certainly a risk here so I buy that paranoia from Skins fans).Ok......What does the Saints 20 plus years of ineptitude have to do with this? I didnt say this franchise was doomed forever. As I said when they have consistent results I will be more optimistic. Right now they don't. I hope by the end of this season I have many more reasons to be optimistic for the future.

2) I will agree that this off-season has been different than years past in that the FAs they acquired were younger players with more modest contracts but it's yet to be seen how things will play out. The starting QB for this team will either be John Beck or Rex Grossman (no comment necessary), we still have to see how the new acquisitions gel on a 3-4 defense that was dreadful in many respects last season, and we still have to see how the offensive line plays once the regular season begins. (Yes, they've been better than expected and outright impressive in the pre-season).
I think Beck will do just fine. It's this 'we always have to have a star made elsewhere' mentality that prevents Skins fans from accepting they can actually grow their own talent in house. Just because a guy doesn't have a resume before coming here, doesn't mean he can't build one now. As for the 3-4, clearly having DTs that don't lay on the ground will make a big difference.What the HELL does my lack of confidence in John Beck and Rex Grossman have to do with a "we always have have a star made elsewhere" mentality? NOTHING. I have observed Grossman and Beck in person and don't have confidence in them as starting QBs. Again, that could change. Maybe Beck turns out to be all the Shanny's believe he can be. If it happens, Great. But sorry, at the moment I don't have a lot of confidence in a 29 year old with 1 career TD pass and sounds like a guy who is trying way too hard to believe in himself. I'll believe it when I see it.

Again, have no idea what you are talking about in terms of getting enjoyment out of McNabb vs Beck as if those are the only options or as if I said anything about McNabb being the QB on this team. I could care less who the QB is as long as the team wins. I don't KNOW Beck will stink anymore than you know that he will be fine. All I know is that, at this point, he has shown me very little to be confident in his ability to be a long or even short term answer at QB. I hope I'm wrong.

3) Third, Shanny and Allen cleared "lockerroom problems" that were largely their making in the first place. So sorry, if I'm not jumping through hoops that they appeared to have gotten rid of problems they played a large part in creating themselves.
Highly disagree. They did not bring in Haynesworth, but to me the bigger problem has always been Portis. I simply don't know how a football team could ever be successful with arguably its most talented veteran star sitting out every single practice. Free agents come in, see Portis living the good life, and they just do the same. Getting rid of that cancer has been long overdue. I don't care how well he blocks or how beloved he was. The football team is better off without him.

Getting rid of Portis was fine. But IMO you are greatly overstating the "damage" he did to the lockerroom. Good teams and good organizations overcome things like that. John Riggins reportedly showed up to team meetings drunk and won a Super Bowl MVP, Plaxico Burress never practiced the year he caught a Super Bowl game winner, Lawrence Taylor's poor practice habits are well documented. Again, it was time for Portis to go but the Redskins problems of the last several years have been way bigger than Clinton Portis.

Now having said all of that, The team has looked fairly good through 2 pre-season games. Many of the areas of concern appear to have been addressed, and I am SLOWLY seeing a long term vision in place. But please spare me the "living in the past" BS or the mischaracterization of some fans concerns as "we do this every year."

As a fan who has lived through the highest of highs and lowest of lows with this franchise, I think I, and others, have every right to say that we want to see consistent RESULTS and a CLEAR vision for this team before we pound sunshine like some of the eternal optimists out there. And sorry, two pre-season games do not qualify as consistent results.
I've seen the highs and lows of this franchise too, just without the emotional investment. This is why I chimed in - Redskins fans seem to be so abused that they can't recognize positives. It seemed like an outside perspective could be useful in here. You do not know John Beck will stink, so why assume he's a weak link? There are only 32 jobs in the league; it's really not that big of an indictment that he hasn't won one yet. History is littered with guys that waited their turn. One would think you'd get much more enjoyment out of seeing him succeed than the Eagles HOF QB.
So thanks for the outside perspective but it doesnt change anything on the way I feel about this team. You talk about Redskins fans being so abused that they can't recognize positives but I think you are completely off base. For every fan like me, there are 2 or 3 who are eternal optimist who every August think the Skins will be great despite any real or objective perspective. I am not a pessimist, I am a realist. This team has shown some positives this off-season but not enough for me to pound sunshine and not be realistic that this is still probably the worst team in the division.So thanks for the outside perspective but it doesnt change anything on the way I feel about this team. You talk about Redskins fans being so abused that they can't recognize positives but I think you are completely off base. For every fan like me, there are 2 or 3 who are eternal optimist who every August think the Skins will be great despite logic and common sense. I am not a pessimist, I am a realist. This team has shown some positives this off-season but not enough for me to pound sunshine and not be realistic that this is still probably the worst team in the division.

I will always be a Skins fan and I hope I'm wrong. But I don't see it YET. I hope they are going in the right direction. I hope Shanny works out. I hope Snyder stays out of the way and this franchise becomes a consistent winner like they were when I was a kid. But excuse me, if I want to see a little more than two pre-season games before I jump on the bandwagon and engage in positive only rhetoric with my team.

 
Barry Cofield

“My job is to make sure London Fletcher has 200 tackles. If he has any less than that I’ll be disappointed.”
“I always felt I had the right skill set [to play nose],” Cofield said. “And I play with leverage and technique. … The willingness to go in there and bang and play a position that [doesn’t have] a lot of glory attached, I have that mentality.”
Reports on Cofield's play have been good so far. I know it's just preseason, but if he can continue to not only hold his position but to push into the backfield as well during the regular season then we've finally got ourselves the nose tackle that the defense has been sorely lacking. Last year was just so painful to watch the defense without any real nose tackle. It was like watching a starfish with the middle part cut out, and just a bunch of wiggly arms left going in all directions.

 
As a non-Skins fan stuck in DC, I just don't understand what past experience has to do with this year's team. This is EASILY the most new faces brought in during the off-season and not a single one is a guy looking to make his cake and be lazy. From smart veteran FA acquisitions, to shrewd draft day trades for multiple picks, and steals like Holliday for Hightower, nothing about this off-season should remind you of Gibbs, Zorn, Spurrier and the like.

Not everything is business as usual, despite that being our mindset in Washington. Shanahan and Allen cleared house of the useless scum infecting the lockerroom and brought in guys that want to play. Stop living in the past and look at what is actually happening now. It is different, and when your biggest beef is 'we do this every year' then how are you not pleased that they didn't do it this year? :confused:
As a lifelong Skins fan who really doesnt care about the opinion of someone who thinks they are "stuck" in DC, let me add a few things in response.1) What past experience has to do with this team is that, as an organization, this franchise has been piss poor for nearly 20 years. With numerous coaches, countless players, different schemes, etc. the constant under Daniel Snyder has been a less than mediocre product on the field. So many of us are in "wait and see" mode until this organization proves it can put a consistent winner on the field.

2) I will agree that this off-season has been different than years past in that the FAs they acquired were younger players with more modest contracts but it's yet to be seen how things will play out. The starting QB for this team will either be John Beck or Rex Grossman (no comment necessary), we still have to see how the new acquisitions gel on a 3-4 defense that was dreadful in many respects last season, and we still have to see how the offensive line plays once the regular season begins. (Yes, they've been better than expected and outright impressive in the pre-season).

3) Third, Shanny and Allen cleared "lockerroom problems" that were largely their making in the first place. So sorry, if I'm not jumping through hoops that they appeared to have gotten rid of problems they played a large part in creating themselves.

Now having said all of that, The team has looked fairly good through 2 pre-season games. Many of the areas of concern appear to have been addressed, and I am SLOWLY seeing a long term vision in place. But please spare me the "living in the past" BS or the mischaracterization of some fans concerns as "we do this every year."

As a fan who has lived through the highest of highs and lowest of lows with this franchise, I think I, and others, have every right to say that we want to see consistent RESULTS and a CLEAR vision for this team before we pound sunshine like some of the eternal optimists out there. And sorry, two pre-season games do not qualify as consistent results.
Here is my view of this as a long time fan (from Kilmer era):1. Real problems begun with Snyder. Cooke was a fabulous owner...one of the best. Back then, we had an owner that made us competitive every year as teams with strong ownership do now (New England and Pittsburgh for example.) Strong ownership = strong organization...that is clearly true. That said, the litmas test for this team is if Snyder shows patience with Shanahan. He and Allen ARE trying to right the ship now, but they will not likely go to the playoffs this year. However, people can and do change; we have to wait and see if Snyder has learned from his mistakes and is willing to build over the long hall with this new staff. If he is, then we have a good combo in an owner - willing to spend money AND willing to be patient with football guys. We do have to wait and see here, but I am optimistic so far.

2. It's only been 2 games, but I do think the changes to get young are showing real signs of improvement. I know it's not a long term trend, but based on what I see, the team is starting to move in the right direction. The key, once more, is if Snyder lets this continue even if we have to continue building next year, perhaps with a new QB (which I think we should pick even if Beck succeeds...after all, how long did Rodgers stay on the bench before getting a chance?)

3. To be fair, Shanahan inherited Haynesworth. He did bring McNabb in, and that was a monster miscalculation. But I'll give him a pass on Al...he just tried to squeeze something out of him first before cutting him loose.

I am cautiously optimistic...but also ready for another lean hear if the team retains the staff and keeps trying to build. To me, the key is Snyder's patience. That's what it all comes down to.
:goodposting: Especially the bolded part.

The #1 key to this whole thing getting turned around and the Redskins getting back to winning championships is Dan Snyder running the Redskins with the same type of intelligence and discipline that he used to build his 2 billion dollar communications company. There isn't a quick fix in the nfl with a team that is as downtrodden as the Redskins have been. And in the nfl, you can't buy championships by signing a bunch of flashy free agents (Eagles fans are going to learn this lesson the hard way this season).

While I understand the skepticism from most die hard Redskin fans, I'm baffled how most won't set their emotions aside for a bit and analyze the current state of the team logically and see how things are moving in an uber positive direction.

The hardest work has already been done. I think Snyder finally got his wake up call during Zorn's lame duck season, when he could no longer possibly avoid and insulate himself from the fan discontent. He axed his boy Vinnie C. He hired a great coach and solid GM to completely take over the operation.

People comparing the Shanahan hire to Gibbs II are way off base - there is no comparison. It's ironic because the Shanahan firing rivals the worst coaching decision Snyder has ever made. Shanny took one year off, but he didn't just play golf - he used it as an opportunity to improve himself as a coach. He studied tape, consulted with other coaches like Belicik, etc.

Compare that to Gibbs II who was out of the league for over a decade spending all his time with his race car teams. He was nowhere close to being the same coach he was during his first regime. (And as a sidenote I actually think this makes his legacy even more impressive considering he had been out of the league so long, yet still took a crappy Redskins team to the playoffs 2 out of his 4 years here.) Also, Gibbs still had to deal with Vinnie C., while Shanahan doesn't.

Shanahan/Allen have cut all the dead weight from the Redskins roster in 1.5 years. They have made of bunch of smart FA signings - mostly young guys to reasonable contracts. They're building through the draft, having the most picks of any team this year. I think it's pretty amazing they've gotten so much younger in this short of time span. And maybe most importantly, they're developing a winning culture that puts a premium on hard work.

They did make one big blunder with the McNabb trade, but they smartly cut their losses asap. On the other hand, they've won just about every other trade they've made thus far (Carriker for peanuts, Brown appears to be 100% healthy and was signed to a nice multi-year deal, Hightower appears to be a steal right now, getting a draft pick for Al, and they did a masterful job of trading down (and up) to add picks in the last draft).

I get why most Skins fans are negative based on past results in the Snyder era. I really do. But what the Skins are doing now (getting younger, building through the draft, not overpaying FA's, etc.) is what most of the fans have been screaming at them to do for years, yet most fans are still not at least a little enthusiatic about the direction the team is headed.

 
Fwiw, I've read the rest of the thread, but I'm just going to respond to this post. It seems like you hate (or at least seriously dislike) this Sheehan guy. I have no idea who he is, nor do I care. I don't have any idea how over the top he was on the radio, as I didn't hear him.

What I do know is that I find it absurd that you, normally a very credible poster, is sticking to your guns arguing about something when you didn't even watch the game against Indy.
I think you didn't understand my initial post about Sheehan. He wasn't talking about what Beck had done in the Indy game. He was talking about what Beck would be doing this year as a starting QB for the Redskins. And to me that's ridiculous based on seeing Beck play in a preseason game. I didn't have access to the Colts game on TV. I assume you do not have access to ESPN980, where I listen to Sheehan, Loverro, Chris Russell, Pollin @ Czaban, and some blurbs from Rich Campbell. I listen on my way to work, during breaks from work, and on my way home. Redskin talk is the only thing I really listen to with any interest. I also read the Post, Times, and Examiner and CSN all that I can for Redskin reports. I'm not going to fault you for not doing the same amount of listening and reading I do because I don't think that's fair. Do you? Most of the people criticizing me for not watching the Skins because of what DirecTV provides in my area (which is in Ravens territory) are people who do not follow the Redskins as much as I do. I don't jump on them for that.

 
Barry Cofield

“My job is to make sure London Fletcher has 200 tackles. If he has any less than that I’ll be disappointed.”
“I always felt I had the right skill set [to play nose],” Cofield said. “And I play with leverage and technique. … The willingness to go in there and bang and play a position that [doesn’t have] a lot of glory attached, I have that mentality.”
Reports on Cofield's play have been good so far. I know it's just preseason, but if he can continue to not only hold his position but to push into the backfield as well during the regular season then we've finally got ourselves the nose tackle that the defense has been sorely lacking. Last year was just so painful to watch the defense without any real nose tackle. It was like watching a starfish with the middle part cut out, and just a bunch of wiggly arms left going in all directions.
I was skeptical of the Cofield signing. I was puzzled why the team didn't go after Franklin, especially with the unexpected weak market for him. But thus far (I know it's only been 2 preseason games) he has consistently held up well at the point of attack AND he has been able to get penetration. I think in Haslett's scheme, he doesn't want just a run stuffer at NT, but rather a guy who can stuff the run AND be a disrupter by penetrating into the backfield. So far Cofield looks like a great signing, but the season is 16 games long and I'm curious if he can hold up physically to the pounding he'll over the entire year.

 
I'm not saying Torain is Mr. Playmaker, but honestly, I have no doubt that either of these running backs "can" do it, but the key is more in the offensive line than the RB I believe.
I agree. Thinking more about the "playmakers" aspect, I think a big factor that allowed guys like Rod Smith and Terrell Davis to go from hardly, or not even, draftable to playmaker is the OL. While the 2011 Redskins OL has certainly shown improvement over the 2010 version, it still appears to lack a Gary Zimmerman, Tom Nalen or Mark Schlereth (stating the obvious? :) ). Obviously, the Broncos OL of the '90's had all 3 of those guys at points, so the re-build of the 'Skins OL (oh, how I still hate Vinny Cerrato) has a ways to go, IMO. It's probably asking too much for rookies like Hankerson, Royster and Helu to be playmakers when the OL is still middling, at best.
I pretty much agree with you and MikeApf here. I think Trent Williams is solid and improving, and I've said for awhile now that I think Montgomery is a big upgrade at center. No longer will the QB have to dodge Rabach's ### flying backward at him right after the snap. I don't believe or disbelieve that Jamaal Brown is recovered from injury and back to his old form with the Saints; play during the season will answer that one way or the other. It concerns me that Chester was getting pushed around in training camp, and I flat out don't think Lichtensteiger is good enough to start. But that's what regular seasons are for -- to find out those things and root for the best. Week 1 will be a big test, since for years the Giants have thrown around the Redskin offensive and defensive lines like traffic cones. If both lines can hold their own against the Giants lines, play them dead even, I'm going to be much more optimistic about the rest of the season.

 
I think in Haslett's scheme, he doesn't want just a run stuffer at NT, but rather a guy who can stuff the run AND be a disrupter by penetrating into the backfield. So far Cofield looks like a great signing, but the season is 16 games long and I'm curious if he can hold up physically to the pounding he'll over the entire year.
That's the way it seems to me also -- what Haslett wants in a NT. I'm just leery of other teams blasting away at the middle of the d-line if they think they have a strength advantage there, and running up times of possession of 35 minutes or more. But every report I've read so far on Cofield has been good from Keim and Campbell, and they're the writers who seem to watch things most closely. It would be sweet to see 5-10 offensive plays run by the other team disrupted each game by pressure up the middle from the Skins. Very sweet.
 
Fwiw, I've read the rest of the thread, but I'm just going to respond to this post. It seems like you hate (or at least seriously dislike) this Sheehan guy. I have no idea who he is, nor do I care. I don't have any idea how over the top he was on the radio, as I didn't hear him.

What I do know is that I find it absurd that you, normally a very credible poster, is sticking to your guns arguing about something when you didn't even watch the game against Indy.
I think you didn't understand my initial post about Sheehan. He wasn't talking about what Beck had done in the Indy game. He was talking about what Beck would be doing this year as a starting QB for the Redskins. And to me that's ridiculous based on seeing Beck play in a preseason game. I didn't have access to the Colts game on TV. I assume you do not have access to ESPN980, where I listen to Sheehan, Loverro, Chris Russell, Pollin @ Czaban, and some blurbs from Rich Campbell. I listen on my way to work, during breaks from work, and on my way home. Redskin talk is the only thing I really listen to with any interest. I also read the Post, Times, and Examiner and CSN all that I can for Redskin reports. I'm not going to fault you for not doing the same amount of listening and reading I do because I don't think that's fair. Do you? Most of the people criticizing me for not watching the Skins because of what DirecTV provides in my area (which is in Ravens territory) are people who do not follow the Redskins as much as I do. I don't jump on them for that.
Ok gotcha. You're one of the most informed posters here so that's why I responded the way I did. Fwiw, there isn't any Redskin radio here in Nebraska, so I get 99% of my Redskin info from the internet (pretty much the same sources as you.) They have the Redskin preseason games on nfl network, which I dvr and usually watch 2-3 times. (I've mainly been watching the line play on both sides of the ball in the first 2 games.)

 
They have the Redskin preseason games on nfl network, which I dvr and usually watch 2-3 times. (I've mainly been watching the line play on both sides of the ball in the first 2 games.)
That's what I'm going to be watching --- both lines --- during the Giants game. And those 7 Redskin TD's of course.
 
You guys have been singing the praises of Cofield. He seems like a real high character guy; adding players with this kind of mindset is encouraging and needs to happen more.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/barry-cofield-isnt-angry-at-the-giants-really/2011/08/24/gIQADBQ7bJ_story.html

Barry Cofield isn’t angry at the Giants. Really.

By Barry Svrluga, Published: August 24

It is not that Barry Cofield felt disrespected out of high school, when his home state Ohio State Buckeyes had other targets, and he signed with Northwestern. “At this point, I can’t imagine having gone anywhere else,” he said. It’s not that he felt overlooked in the NFL draft, when the New York Giants selected him in the fourth round, after 123 other players were off the board. “I don’t feel like I was drafted too low,” he said.

And it’s not even what happened to him last year, when those same Giants — for whom he started 78 of a possible 80 games in his five years in the league, “obviously a guy you would feel comfortable taking in the first round,” he said — tried to trade him to New Orleans for a second-round draft pick. When Cofield and his agent couldn’t work out a suitable contract extension with the Saints, Cofield remained with New York, but without a lucrative deal and in something of an awkward situation. “I have no regrets,” he said.

There is, though, the cumulative effect of it all, which helps shape the Cofield who will line up Thursday night for the Washington Redskins in a preseason game at Baltimore, the Cofield who is expected to make a big impact at nose tackle after signing a six-year, $36-million contract as a free agent.

Cofield wasn’t the splashiest offseason acquisition in Redskins’ history. His move didn’t send ripples around the NFL. That suits him fine.

“I wasn’t the top recruit in high school,” Cofield said. “I was a second-day draft pick. I played in the shadows of some Pro Bowl-slash-Hall of Fame players in New York. I’ve kind of always been below the radar.

“But I think that’s changed now with this new contract and this new city. I feel like I’m going to get a lot of attention, and that’s something that I’m ready for and I’m going to embrace.”

As the Redskins continue their transition to the 3-4 scheme that Coach Mike Shanahan hopes will define their defense for years to come, nowhere is the change more noticeable than up front, where at least half of a six-man rotation along the defensive line will be different than last year. Free agent Stephen Bowen will start at right defensive end. Powerful rookie Jarvis Jenkins has already spent time at both end positions. And in the middle will be Cofield, perhaps more vital than anyone else on the entire defense, new or old.

“That’s the No. 1 position,” said defensive coordinator Jim Haslett. “That’s the most important position.. . . It’s like a catcher in baseball. You kind of build from that, from in to out.”

Last year, when the Redskins failed to convince Albert Haynesworth that he could excel at nose tackle, they tried to rely on veteran Ma’ake Kemoeatu, who had missed all of 2009 with a torn Achilles tendon. The combination didn’t work. Haslett noted Washington struggled to pressure the quarterback from the nose tackle spot in 2010. “I don’t think we had a hit last year,” he said, half-joking. In the Redskins’ first preseason game earlier this month against Pittsburgh, Cofield hit the quarterback twice.

“He’s exactly what you’re looking for in a nose,” Haslett said.

Maybe not exactly. Cofield figures the prototypical NFL nose tackle weighs 340 pounds. Cofield, who played in a 4-3 scheme in New York, is listed at 6-foot-4, 306 pounds. He scoffs at that number. “I’m not 22 anymore,” he said. “I’ve matured.” But he also won’t say how much he has put on since he was drafted in 2006. “A gentleman never reveals his weight,” he said. He will allow this much: He is somewhere between 306 and 340. After this season – “after I have a great season” – Cofield said he would divulge the specifics.

The reasons the Redskins feel Cofield will be a success in their system go beyond size, because they believe he’s capable of doing more than taking up space. “Barry’s a playmaker,” said London Fletcher, the inside linebacker who serves as a defensive captain. “He’s not your typical 3-4 nose tackle.”

Start with Cofield’s hands. Redskins veteran Artis Hicks -- who played against Cofield both when Hicks was in Minnesota and last year as a Redskin – said that an offensive lineman gains an advantage if he can get his hands on a defender with a quick punch. “You get good hand placement,” Hicks said, “and the battle’s over.” Cofield, though, makes that difficult.

“He’s knows how to use his hands to get your hands off of him,” Hicks said. “That’s always what you hate as a guard. He’s such a fast-twitch guy, he can combat your hands with his own.”

That commitment to technique goes back to Cofield’s days in high school in Cleveland Heights, Ohio. When Mike Jones arrived to coach Cleveland Heights High, he inherited an exceptionally gifted 6-foot-3, 265-pound three-sport athlete who was being used as an offensive tackle.

“He had it,” said Jones, now an assistant at Case Western Reserve University. “He just didn’t know what to do with it.”

So Jones began teaching Cofield what he could become. Cofield gave up baseball for track, not only putting the shot, but competing in the 100 and 200 meters, an unusual path for a future NFL defensive lineman. But Jones wanted Cofield, who Jones said could run the 40-yard dash in 4.6 or 4.7 seconds, to capture his natural athleticism.

“He learned how to run,” Jones said. “He learned how his body worked.”

On the football field, the staff moved Cofield to tight end on offense. Eventually, they worked him up and down the defensive line, determining opponents’ weak spots and playing him wherever he was most likely to break through. He ended up in the offensive backfield in goal-line situations. By his senior year, he was occasionally the only ball carrier in a single-back set.

“He was just a fast, strong, committed person,” Jones said. “He was a sponge. He wanted to learn so much.”

Over the past 18 months, Cofield also has learned about the business of the NFL. He didn’t complain openly about the Giants’ attempts to trade him, and the club actually ended up using him more during the 2010 season, particularly in passing situations. He responded with his best year, setting career highs in tackles (54) and sacks (4). (In Washington, Haynesworth and Kemoeatu combined for 35 and 2-1/2, respectively.) The Giants even made Cofield a contract offer when free agency began, but they couldn’t make the commitment the Redskins did. And Cofield still had those lingering feelings about the proposed trade.

“I know that I wasn’t indispensable to them,” Cofield said. “That just gets you thinking: Nothing’s guaranteed in this league. I was driven by the circumstances of being tendered [a low-end contract, rather than a lucrative extension], not knowing which play might be your last, not having any long-term financial security. Those are all things that drove me.”

Now, with a deal that includes $12.5 million in guaranteed money, he has no contract for which to play. He is established, not slighted, and essential to the improvement of a defense that has much improving to do.

He knows the particulars of his new team’s season opener: “Sept. 11, 4 o’clock, against the New York Giants,” he said.

Not that he feels slighted. Really.

“It’s almost like a script,” he said. “I couldn’t be more excited. I know I have a lot of work to do, joining this new defense and this new scheme, a lot more to learn. But I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have that game circled, starred, highlighted – all of that.”

 
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Wow, some interesting predictions on who will make the roster.In: Stallworth, Sellers, TorrainOut: Paul, Keiland Williams, Gomes http://www.csnwashington.com/08/24/11/OHalloran-Cracking-the-Redskins-53/landing_redskins_loud3r.html?blockID=553462&feedID=5559

O'Halloran: Cracking the Redskins' 53Will Ryan Torain be on the roster when the Redskins open up against the Giants?Wednesday, August 23, 9:41 a.m.By Ryan O’HalloranRedskins InsiderCSNwashington.comProjecting the 53-man roster is usually a pre-training camp – sometimes even pre-minicamp – exercise, but the lack of an off-season plus all of the roster moves leading into the first preseason game would have made that pointless.But with the preseason half over and the Redskins manhandling the opposition (just kidding), here is version 1.0 of the roster. What’s obvious from some of the names I left off the roster is that the Redskins are going to cut some good players.OFFENSEQB (3): John Beck, Rex Grossman and Kellen Clemens.Analysis: No surprises here, and the only thing left is the order they’ll be put on the depth chart. How they’re listed now is how they’ll probably start the season. If Beck does start Week 1, what a wild trip – he wasn’t even on the team when camp started last year, didn’t take a regular-season snap and, boom, now he could get a chance to be The Guy.RB (4): Tim Hightower, Ryan Torain, Darrel Young and Roy Helu.Analysis: Keeping Torain wouldn’t be my decision, but it will probably be Mike Shanahan’s decision – Torain been injury-hampered for years and some say took a little bit longer than necessary to return from a hamstring problem last year. But Shanahan sees something in Torain … when healthy. Young has unseated Mike Sellers at fullback, but in a close call, I’ll say the Redskins use Sellers as a combo tight end/fullback, meaning Kelland Williams is on the outside. Helu gets the edge over fellow draft pick Evan Royster.TE (4): Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen and Mike Sellers.Analysis: For everybody who has Sellers being jettisoned, consider a couple of factors (and, of course, I could be totally wrong). 1. Cooley’s health. Even if he is ready for the opener, his playing time may be limited, and the Redskins may want to keep him off the field in goal-line situations with three tight ends. 2. Sellers on special teams. He is still with some of the top groups. 3. The respect factor. When Casey Rabach and Phillip Daniels were released, Shanahan said it was out of admiration for their efforts, and Sellers deserves in the same category. 4. Back to fullback. Sellers will play fullback in the second half Thursday night.WR (6): Santana Moss, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin, Donte’ Stallworth and Leonard Hankerson. Injured reserve – Brandon Banks.Analysis: When I asked Moss if this was the deepest receiver group he’s seen in camp since joining the Redskins in 2005, he said it was – and he’s right. Niles Paul will be a good player, and the Redskins should hope like heck that he clears waivers if they cut him. The same goes for Banks, whose balky knee has put his status in doubt (I’d IR him and give him time to recover fully). Hankerson hasn’t been one of the team’s top six receivers, but as a third-round pick, some team would claim him because of his size and big hands. I didn’t have Austin on my initial roster before camp because of the numbers game, but he has flashed enough on offense and special teams to merit a roster spot.OL (9): Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Jammal Brown, Sean Locklear, Artis Hicks, Erik Cook and Maurice Hurt.Analysis: No real surprises here. The starting five has remained the same since Brown and Chester were allowed to start practicing three weeks ago. Among the reserves, Locklear is a no-brainer because he has 78 NFL starts and can play either tackle spot. The same goes for Hicks at guard, and if disaster strikes, he has experience at tackle. Cook (plays center) and Hurt (developmental draft pick) round out the group.DEFENSEDL (7): Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Adam Carriker, Jarvis Jenkins, Kedric Golston, Anthony Bryant and Darrion Scott.Analysis: How much better does this group look compared with last year in terms of how they play in the 3-4 defense? Teammates and coaches are already saying Cofield is better than they originally thought – and they’re right. Bowen is an every-down player, and Carriker had a full off-season (not rehabilitation) of training. And there’s good depth. Jenkins could turn into a second-round steal and is a future starter, Golston has starting experience, and Bryant did fine as a reserve nose tackle toward the end of last season.LB (8): London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Keyaron Fox, Lorenzo Alexander, Perry Riley and Rob Jackson.Analysis: The starting quartet of Fletcher, McIntosh, Orakpo and Kerrigan is set. Fox and Riley are the back-ups inside (meaning Horatio Blades, as he predicted earlier in camp via Twitter, is a long shot), and Alexander provides too much on special teams and knows too many positions to be expendable. The last spot could turn into a competition between Jackson and newcomer Thaddeus Gibson for the final outside linebacker spot. Jackson worked with the starters earlier in camp when Kerrigan was banged up, and Gibson just arrived from San Francisco. Jackson’s knowledge of the scheme gives him the edge, and Gibson is eligible for the practice squad.CB (5): DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Kevin Barnes, Byron Westbrook and Brandyn Thompson. Suspended list: Phillip Buchanon.Analysis: Thompson appeared on my radar with his interception against Indianapolis and the praise he got from defensive coordinator Jim Haslett – without his being asked about the rookie draft pick. The same goes for Barnes and Westbrook. For the first four games, the Redskins have to make do without Buchanon, but he hasn’t played much (if at all) in the first two preseason games, and Barnes and Westbrook have done fine. A ton of youth at this position and it will be Hall’s job to lead them.S (4): LaRon Landry, Oshiomogho Atogwe, Reed Doughty and Chris Horton. PUP list: Kareem Moore.Analysis: Moore doesn’t appear close to practicing, much less playing, so stashing him on the physically unable to perform list for the first six weeks (knee injury) is the prudent move. Horton is another player I didn’t have on the roster entering camp, but he has gotten big-time experience playing with the starters. Doughty has a new three-year contract, so he’s not going anywhere. Landry and Atogwe haven’t played a snap together (practice or games), so this will be trial under fire when the Giants come to town in a few weeks. Again this year, a position of strength – look for DeJon Gomes to be put on the practice squad.SPECIAL TEAMSK (1): Graham Gano.Analysis: The Redskins signed Shayne Graham to provide competition, and he was out after missing two field-goal tries in the Pittsburgh game. Clint Stitser was signed as an emergency pinch-kicker and is still around. Gano hasn’t missed during the preseason, and his kickoffs have been deep into the end zone.P (1): Sav Rocco.Analysis: The only punter in camp. The Redskins hope he can provide consistency the team has lacked for years.LS (1): Nick Sundberg.Analysis: The only long snapper in camp. Period.
 
Wow, some interesting predictions on who will make the roster.In: Stallworth, Sellers, TorrainOut: Paul, Keiland Williams, Gomes http://www.csnwashington.com/08/24/11/OHalloran-Cracking-the-Redskins-53/landing_redskins_loud3r.html?blockID=553462&feedID=5559

O'Halloran: Cracking the Redskins' 53Will Ryan Torain be on the roster when the Redskins open up against the Giants?Wednesday, August 23, 9:41 a.m.By Ryan O’HalloranRedskins InsiderCSNwashington.comProjecting the 53-man roster is usually a pre-training camp – sometimes even pre-minicamp – exercise, but the lack of an off-season plus all of the roster moves leading into the first preseason game would have made that pointless.But with the preseason half over and the Redskins manhandling the opposition (just kidding), here is version 1.0 of the roster. What’s obvious from some of the names I left off the roster is that the Redskins are going to cut some good players.OFFENSEQB (3): John Beck, Rex Grossman and Kellen Clemens.Analysis: No surprises here, and the only thing left is the order they’ll be put on the depth chart. How they’re listed now is how they’ll probably start the season. If Beck does start Week 1, what a wild trip – he wasn’t even on the team when camp started last year, didn’t take a regular-season snap and, boom, now he could get a chance to be The Guy.RB (4): Tim Hightower, Ryan Torain, Darrel Young and Roy Helu.Analysis: Keeping Torain wouldn’t be my decision, but it will probably be Mike Shanahan’s decision – Torain been injury-hampered for years and some say took a little bit longer than necessary to return from a hamstring problem last year. But Shanahan sees something in Torain … when healthy. Young has unseated Mike Sellers at fullback, but in a close call, I’ll say the Redskins use Sellers as a combo tight end/fullback, meaning Kelland Williams is on the outside. Helu gets the edge over fellow draft pick Evan Royster.TE (4): Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen and Mike Sellers.Analysis: For everybody who has Sellers being jettisoned, consider a couple of factors (and, of course, I could be totally wrong). 1. Cooley’s health. Even if he is ready for the opener, his playing time may be limited, and the Redskins may want to keep him off the field in goal-line situations with three tight ends. 2. Sellers on special teams. He is still with some of the top groups. 3. The respect factor. When Casey Rabach and Phillip Daniels were released, Shanahan said it was out of admiration for their efforts, and Sellers deserves in the same category. 4. Back to fullback. Sellers will play fullback in the second half Thursday night.WR (6): Santana Moss, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin, Donte’ Stallworth and Leonard Hankerson. Injured reserve – Brandon Banks.Analysis: When I asked Moss if this was the deepest receiver group he’s seen in camp since joining the Redskins in 2005, he said it was – and he’s right. Niles Paul will be a good player, and the Redskins should hope like heck that he clears waivers if they cut him. The same goes for Banks, whose balky knee has put his status in doubt (I’d IR him and give him time to recover fully). Hankerson hasn’t been one of the team’s top six receivers, but as a third-round pick, some team would claim him because of his size and big hands. I didn’t have Austin on my initial roster before camp because of the numbers game, but he has flashed enough on offense and special teams to merit a roster spot.OL (9): Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Jammal Brown, Sean Locklear, Artis Hicks, Erik Cook and Maurice Hurt.Analysis: No real surprises here. The starting five has remained the same since Brown and Chester were allowed to start practicing three weeks ago. Among the reserves, Locklear is a no-brainer because he has 78 NFL starts and can play either tackle spot. The same goes for Hicks at guard, and if disaster strikes, he has experience at tackle. Cook (plays center) and Hurt (developmental draft pick) round out the group.DEFENSEDL (7): Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Adam Carriker, Jarvis Jenkins, Kedric Golston, Anthony Bryant and Darrion Scott.Analysis: How much better does this group look compared with last year in terms of how they play in the 3-4 defense? Teammates and coaches are already saying Cofield is better than they originally thought – and they’re right. Bowen is an every-down player, and Carriker had a full off-season (not rehabilitation) of training. And there’s good depth. Jenkins could turn into a second-round steal and is a future starter, Golston has starting experience, and Bryant did fine as a reserve nose tackle toward the end of last season.LB (8): London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Keyaron Fox, Lorenzo Alexander, Perry Riley and Rob Jackson.Analysis: The starting quartet of Fletcher, McIntosh, Orakpo and Kerrigan is set. Fox and Riley are the back-ups inside (meaning Horatio Blades, as he predicted earlier in camp via Twitter, is a long shot), and Alexander provides too much on special teams and knows too many positions to be expendable. The last spot could turn into a competition between Jackson and newcomer Thaddeus Gibson for the final outside linebacker spot. Jackson worked with the starters earlier in camp when Kerrigan was banged up, and Gibson just arrived from San Francisco. Jackson’s knowledge of the scheme gives him the edge, and Gibson is eligible for the practice squad.CB (5): DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Kevin Barnes, Byron Westbrook and Brandyn Thompson. Suspended list: Phillip Buchanon.Analysis: Thompson appeared on my radar with his interception against Indianapolis and the praise he got from defensive coordinator Jim Haslett – without his being asked about the rookie draft pick. The same goes for Barnes and Westbrook. For the first four games, the Redskins have to make do without Buchanon, but he hasn’t played much (if at all) in the first two preseason games, and Barnes and Westbrook have done fine. A ton of youth at this position and it will be Hall’s job to lead them.S (4): LaRon Landry, Oshiomogho Atogwe, Reed Doughty and Chris Horton. PUP list: Kareem Moore.Analysis: Moore doesn’t appear close to practicing, much less playing, so stashing him on the physically unable to perform list for the first six weeks (knee injury) is the prudent move. Horton is another player I didn’t have on the roster entering camp, but he has gotten big-time experience playing with the starters. Doughty has a new three-year contract, so he’s not going anywhere. Landry and Atogwe haven’t played a snap together (practice or games), so this will be trial under fire when the Giants come to town in a few weeks. Again this year, a position of strength – look for DeJon Gomes to be put on the practice squad.SPECIAL TEAMSK (1): Graham Gano.Analysis: The Redskins signed Shayne Graham to provide competition, and he was out after missing two field-goal tries in the Pittsburgh game. Clint Stitser was signed as an emergency pinch-kicker and is still around. Gano hasn’t missed during the preseason, and his kickoffs have been deep into the end zone.P (1): Sav Rocco.Analysis: The only punter in camp. The Redskins hope he can provide consistency the team has lacked for years.LS (1): Nick Sundberg.Analysis: The only long snapper in camp. Period.
I can see keeping Torrain because he showed that when healthy, he can carry the load. Sad to see that Royster is not given a shot, but you can't keep everyone.I'm wondering why you keep Stallworth and not Paul though. Stallworth has experience I guess which they like, but I would prefer going with the youth movement.Any chance Nield slips in, you think...at least practice squad...I thought he had potential?Finally, do you need to keep 3 QBs on the squad? Is Clemmons that important to protect? If Beck and Grossman both go down, you'd have to scramble yes, but wouldn't you rather keep an extra RB or WR?
 
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Finally, do you need to keep 3 QBs on the squad? Is Clemmons that important to protect? If Beck and Grossman both go down, you'd have to scramble yes, but wouldn't you rather keep an extra RB or WR?
I think they have to keep Clemens. It's entirely possible that one or both of Beck and Grossman will play badly, and it's entirely possible that one or both gets hurt. Clemens at least has started in the NFL and who knows? By the end of the year he could be their best QB. I'm not predicting that; just saying that it's not like he'd have to surpass Unitas and Marino in order to be the starter.As for Stallworth, I've always liked him as a player, but he's usually hurt at least 8 games a year with his chronic hamstring problems. Cooley's injury seems to make it more likely that they keep Sellers.Cofiled, Bowen, and Jarvis Jenkins are going to be 3 of the most important players on the team this year. A lot is riding on how they do. I'm openly rooting for Bowen, Jenkins, Cofield, and Will Montgomery to do well this year.
 
I can see keeping Torrain because he showed that when healthy, he can carry the load. Sad to see that Royster is not given a shot, but you can't keep everyone.I'm wondering why you keep Stallworth and not Paul though. Stallworth has experience I guess which they like, but I would prefer going with the youth movement.Any chance Nield slips in, you think...at least practice squad...I thought he had potential?Finally, do you need to keep 3 QBs on the squad? Is Clemmons that important to protect? If Beck and Grossman both go down, you'd have to scramble yes, but wouldn't you rather keep an extra RB or WR?
Yeah, I don't think there's any way they keep 3 QBs and 4 TEs. One of the other beat writers recently wrote that Shanahan is typically a 2 QB guy. And the 4 TEs seems especially silly, even with the concern about Cooley's knee. If Sellers is to be kept, I'd have to believe it's at FB (I guess some of this is splitting hairs, though, if Sellers is going to play both FB and TE) and at the expense of Williams. I hope they keep 4 RBs (Hightower, Torain, Royster, Helu) and 2 FBs (Sellers, Young).Neilds is a guy that should make it to the PS. From what I've read, he's raw but definitely has some talent/strength and just needs some seasoning.As for the WRs, I think they're going to have to make some tough decisions. Stallworth provides good veteran depth, but will he play ST? He's going to be a #4 WR, at best. Paul can definitely help out on teams and there's a good chance he won't clear waivers to make the PS. Even though he was a 5ht round pick, do they give up so easily on him? Should be interesting.
 
I can see keeping Torrain because he showed that when healthy, he can carry the load. Sad to see that Royster is not given a shot, but you can't keep everyone.I'm wondering why you keep Stallworth and not Paul though. Stallworth has experience I guess which they like, but I would prefer going with the youth movement.Any chance Nield slips in, you think...at least practice squad...I thought he had potential?Finally, do you need to keep 3 QBs on the squad? Is Clemmons that important to protect? If Beck and Grossman both go down, you'd have to scramble yes, but wouldn't you rather keep an extra RB or WR?
Yeah, I don't think there's any way they keep 3 QBs and 4 TEs. One of the other beat writers recently wrote that Shanahan is typically a 2 QB guy. And the 4 TEs seems especially silly, even with the concern about Cooley's knee. If Sellers is to be kept, I'd have to believe it's at FB (I guess some of this is splitting hairs, though, if Sellers is going to play both FB and TE) and at the expense of Williams. I hope they keep 4 RBs (Hightower, Torain, Royster, Helu) and 2 FBs (Sellers, Young).Neilds is a guy that should make it to the PS. From what I've read, he's raw but definitely has some talent/strength and just needs some seasoning.As for the WRs, I think they're going to have to make some tough decisions. Stallworth provides good veteran depth, but will he play ST? He's going to be a #4 WR, at best. Paul can definitely help out on teams and there's a good chance he won't clear waivers to make the PS. Even though he was a 5ht round pick, do they give up so easily on him? Should be interesting.
I'd much rather them cut Stallworth and keep Paul
 
Grossman will start at QB tonight against the Ravens and play 2 series. Then Beck will play 2 series. Then Grossman. Then Beck.

It makes far more sense to me to let each of them play a quarter or a quarter and a half consecutively so the rest of the offense can be in sync with each of them.

 
Grossman will start at QB tonight against the Ravens and play 2 series. Then Beck will play 2 series. Then Grossman. Then Beck.It makes far more sense to me to let each of them play a quarter or a quarter and a half consecutively so the rest of the offense can be in sync with each of them.
Agreed. Shanahan makes a point of playing his rb's like you suggest here, so this strikes me as odd.
 
I can see keeping Torrain because he showed that when healthy, he can carry the load. Sad to see that Royster is not given a shot, but you can't keep everyone.I'm wondering why you keep Stallworth and not Paul though. Stallworth has experience I guess which they like, but I would prefer going with the youth movement.Any chance Nield slips in, you think...at least practice squad...I thought he had potential?Finally, do you need to keep 3 QBs on the squad? Is Clemmons that important to protect? If Beck and Grossman both go down, you'd have to scramble yes, but wouldn't you rather keep an extra RB or WR?
Yeah, I don't think there's any way they keep 3 QBs and 4 TEs. One of the other beat writers recently wrote that Shanahan is typically a 2 QB guy. And the 4 TEs seems especially silly, even with the concern about Cooley's knee. If Sellers is to be kept, I'd have to believe it's at FB (I guess some of this is splitting hairs, though, if Sellers is going to play both FB and TE) and at the expense of Williams. I hope they keep 4 RBs (Hightower, Torain, Royster, Helu) and 2 FBs (Sellers, Young).Neilds is a guy that should make it to the PS. From what I've read, he's raw but definitely has some talent/strength and just needs some seasoning.As for the WRs, I think they're going to have to make some tough decisions. Stallworth provides good veteran depth, but will he play ST? He's going to be a #4 WR, at best. Paul can definitely help out on teams and there's a good chance he won't clear waivers to make the PS. Even though he was a 5ht round pick, do they give up so easily on him? Should be interesting.
Royster and Paul are both strong candidates for the practice squad. Of course, there is a chance Paul won't clear waivers, so that would be a calculated risk. I thought they may keep Gomes over Horton, or keep 5 safties until the are convinced that Landry is ready to play a full 16 game schedule. Of course, Gomes would also be a strong practice squad candidate.
 
As for the WRs, I think they're going to have to make some tough decisions. Stallworth provides good veteran depth, but will he play ST? He's going to be a #4 WR, at best. Paul can definitely help out on teams and there's a good chance he won't clear waivers to make the PS. Even though he was a 5ht round pick, do they give up so easily on him? Should be interesting.
I like Terrence Austin.That is all.
Austin looks like he made himself a lock to make the roster tonight. I think he could even be the #4 or 5, but that may just be the excitement talking. If that is the case, though (that Stallworth ends up basically behind Austin and Hankerson), I don't think you keep Stallworth over a young guy like Paul to be the #6 WR.I would be very content if the starting day WR corp was Santana Moss, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin, Leonard Hankerson and Niles Paul.
 
As for the WRs, I think they're going to have to make some tough decisions. Stallworth provides good veteran depth, but will he play ST? He's going to be a #4 WR, at best. Paul can definitely help out on teams and there's a good chance he won't clear waivers to make the PS. Even though he was a 5ht round pick, do they give up so easily on him? Should be interesting.
I like Terrence Austin.That is all.
Austin looks like he made himself a lock to make the roster tonight. I think he could even be the #4 or 5, but that may just be the excitement talking. If that is the case, though (that Stallworth ends up basically behind Austin and Hankerson), I don't think you keep Stallworth over a young guy like Paul to be the #6 WR.I would be very content if the starting day WR corp was Santana Moss, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin, Leonard Hankerson and Niles Paul.
This is my line of thinking too. Austin is looking pretty good being a 7th round pick last year. Stallworth is obviously a more polished wr right now, but Paul is younger, has more upside and plays teams.
 
Whether it's Austin or Paul or Stallworth or whoever, I think it's clear the WRs will be an upgrade this year. Last year was pathetic. WRs just weren't a big enough part of the passing game. It was Moss and Armstrong and that's it. This year, in the preseason at least, WRs are the targets and they're usually converting.

The WRs/TEs are the best unit on this offense, followed by the RBs, then the OL, and last is obviously the QBs.

 

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