***Official*** Washington Redskins 2013 Thread (1 Viewer)

[RGIII HTTR]

Shanahan is 22-31 here.

This is starting to remind me of Gibbs 2.0, when they compiled an overall losing record and really were not making progress. 6-10, 10-6, 5-11, 9-7. They made the playoffs twice, the second time when they played way over their heads after Sean Taylor's death, and had an overall losing record under Gibbs.

Shanahan's record is worse, with 1 playoff appearance. They hit a hot streak last year even more impressive than the hot streak after Taylor's death, and made the playoffs. I think that fooled us all into seeing them as being better than they are.

Defense under Shanahan has been bad overall with some periods of time that were just disastrous. There have been games each season where the team looked utterly unprepared. Special teams have been a pretty consistent stink.

At 1-4 it's pretty difficult to look at the body of Shanahan's work here and see it as equal to Gibbs 2.0. Both seem to get by more on previous reputation than on current performance.

Here is my fear, Shanny never had a good defense before when he was in DEN either. Matter of fact that is the one area they always struggled at...and now that seems to be the same here. In fairness, the cap penalty imposed on this team was a MAJOR blow and maybe their defensive plans were reliant on getting quality players on D via FA. Of course, it is all speculation at this point regarding how they wanted to build a better defense. History does show that Shanny has NEVER had a strong defense, his defenses were always made better by having a good offense.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Kehl and Sundberg are gone for the season due to injury. Is anyone here a long snapper?

No, but I do plan on staying at a Holiday Inn Express...so I should be able to do it after.

 

[Marvelous]

My quick take:

1. The Redskins are a bad team right now. In Shanahan's press conference, he said if one person does not do his job, the unit becames average. If they had average special teams, the could have beat Dallas last week. The special teams are a disaster.

2. I don't follow OL blocking really well, but I am definately under the impression that the OL is not doing well at all, both run blocking and pass blocking. IN the 2nd half, Ware was out, Hatcher was out, and Dallas had lost a lot of DL earlier in the season. They had all scrubs playing. And they were pressuring and sacking Griffin continually.

3. On the QB draw, the play developed perfectly. Griffin was across the line of scrimmage, Will Montgomery in front of him blocking, and just one Cowboy, Sean Lee between RGIII and a TD. Montgomery whiffs on the block and Lee tackles RGIII at the 2. All Montgomery needs to do is block Lee for a split second or just get in his way some and its a touchdown.

4. The defense played its second straight good game. You could claim that Dallas was bad, especially without Demarco Murray. But regardless, the defense did what it is supposed to do.

5. The Redskins made some bizarre personnel decisions. In the past, Shanahan made rookies earn their playing time and slowly worked them in. Rambo was basically handed the starting free safety position in training camp and struggled throughout he preseason and the early games. Now he does not play. Chris Thompson was handed the punt return return duties even though he has trouble juding and catching balls.

 

[MattFancy]

In regards to #2, I remember seeing a PFF article last week that had the Skins has a top 5 OL through the 1st 5 weeks. I thought our OL played like crap against Dallas, especially with their backups in there.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

In regards to #2, I remember seeing a PFF article last week that had the Skins has a top 5 OL through the 1st 5 weeks. I thought our OL played like crap against Dallas, especially with their backups in there.

PFF can be very misleading. It's probably a combination of Morris' YPC (which is good) and RG3's lack of sacks taken that are artificially inflating their ranking. The OL outside of Trent sucks. RG3 is taking pressure up the middle like crazy, and Polumbus sucks.

 

[southeastjerome]

In regards to #2, I remember seeing a PFF article last week that had the Skins has a top 5 OL through the 1st 5 weeks. I thought our OL played like crap against Dallas, especially with their backups in there.

I think the tackles have played relatively well, especially Williams. The interior oline has been a disaster pretty much all year.

 

[MattFancy]

Definitely need to address the OL in the offseason, be it through the draft for FAs. But you're right, outside of Trent, the line just looks awful so far.

Anyone down for a prediction this weekend? I honestly don't know what to expect. Could we win? Sure. I just don't have enough confidence to predict that.

 

[MattFancy]

Definitely need to address the OL in the offseason, be it through the draft for FAs. But you're right, outside of Trent, the line just looks awful so far.

Anyone down for a prediction this weekend? I honestly don't know what to expect. Could we win? Sure. I just don't have enough confidence to predict that.

 

[dgreen]

3. On the QB draw, the play developed perfectly. Griffin was across the line of scrimmage, Will Montgomery in front of him blocking, and just one Cowboy, Sean Lee between RGIII and a TD. Montgomery whiffs on the block and Lee tackles RGIII at the 2. All Montgomery needs to do is block Lee for a split second or just get in his way some and its a touchdown.

An absolutely horrible play by Montgomery. I have no idea why he jumped at Lee and left his feet. Stay on your feet and that's a TD.

 

[tjnc09]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2465629/NFL-player-reunited-beloved-22-year-old-Bentley-bought-2.html

 

[Sebowski]

Anyone know of a redskins bar in Seattle?

 

[Swing 51]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2465629/NFL-player-reunited-beloved-22-year-old-Bentley-bought-2.html

Nice article but Alf went to Florida Atlantic, not FSU. Friggin brits.

 

[HittinHard]

Not worried about the O,they are putting together semi reasonable scores.The D neeeds major work and Haslett should be replaced .

Put up 45 points against the Bears but conceded 41 points,enough said

 

[PinkydaPimp]

i missed most of the game. how did they look? Defense still horrible and offense improving? WHen did cutler get injured?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

i missed most of the game. how did they look? Defense still horrible and offense improving? WHen did cutler get injured?

Offense looked great, defense imploded. ST's is on a whole new sucky plane of existence. Cutler was out relatively early, Josh McCown tore us up.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

i missed most of the game. how did they look? Defense still horrible and offense improving? WHen did cutler get injured?

Offense looked great, defense imploded. Cutler was out relatively early, Josh McCown tore us up.

SMDH

 

[ConnSKINS26]

i missed most of the game. how did they look? Defense still horrible and offense improving? WHen did cutler get injured?

Offense looked great, defense imploded. Cutler was out relatively early, Josh McCown tore us up.

SMDH

No kidding man. Backup QB's and rookie QB's always tear us up.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

i missed most of the game. how did they look? Defense still horrible and offense improving? WHen did cutler get injured?

Offense looked great, defense imploded. Cutler was out relatively early, Josh McCown tore us up.

SMDH

No kidding man. Backup QB's and rookie QB's always tear us up.

and we play denver next week..... smdh.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

i missed most of the game. how did they look? Defense still horrible and offense improving? WHen did cutler get injured?

Offense looked great, defense imploded. Cutler was out relatively early, Josh McCown tore us up.

SMDH

No kidding man. Backup QB's and rookie QB's always tear us up.

and we play denver next week..... smdh.

Yeah, I'm not excited for that.

 

[fatness]

i missed most of the game. how did they look? Defense still horrible and offense improving? WHen did cutler get injured?

It was a hell of a game to watch. It was like 2 or 3 games packed into one. The defense did enough to lose a game. The special teams did enough to lose a game. The offense did enough to win a game, or maybe 2 games. You could not tell who would win. They knocked Cutler out on a play where it's hard to see where he got injured. Then McCown made them look bad. Lead changes and ties all over the place. They finally drove for a final TD and won.

The defense and special teams mostly stink. The offense is coming around, especially because the running game is coming around. Morris had over 90 yards and looked good and Helu had 3 TD's. Griffin ran fairly effectively (not blazingly). Strangely, the Bears D-line was in the backfield much of the game and runners (and Griffin) were getting pressured behind the line. But on other plays they ran well.

Just a weird, weird game. They played bad enough to lose 2 games but played their best game of the year at the same time and won. Quite a ride.

 

[Sidewinder16]

It was far from "pretty", but this team just beat a good team, despite the killer penalties, turnovers and poor special teams play that has been costing them wins. Beat writers have been saying that those are the things that bad teams can't overcome. They found a way to overcome them this week. I'm not trying to say they've suddenly become a good team, but I'm also not sure how this can't be seen as a potential step in the right direction.

 

[fatness]

2 notes:

Jordan Reed is good. Very good.

Brandon Merriweather is going to be suspended.

 

[Sidewinder16]

2 notes:

Jordan Reed is good. Very good.

Brandon Merriweather is going to be suspended.

Agree on both. I'm firmly on "Team Jordan". :mancrush:

And Meriweather is pissing me off. The team needs his speed in the secondary and he's playing like an idiot who refuses to accept the new rules. His absence is going to hurt the defense and it can't afford to be hurt like that.

 

[fatness]

And Meriweather is pissing me off. The team needs his speed in the secondary and he's playing like an idiot who refuses to accept the new rules. His absence is going to hurt the defense and it can't afford to be hurt like that.

That is exactly what it looks like. He has the time to adjust how he's going to hit a guy since he often isn't the first defender there. But he doesn't adjust; in fact it looks like he deliberately aims for the head.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

2 notes:

Jordan Reed is good. Very good.

Brandon Merriweather is going to be suspended.

And should be. He's a disgrace. Some of his hits are impossible to reason away. And the other ones, the ones that are close, get well-deserved criticism because he's such a known dirty player. He brings it all on himself.

 

[fatness]

I completely agree, he deserves a suspension.

 

[Bankerguy]

Reed is legit. Nice win today.

 

[dgreen]

43 rushes and 30 passes is exactly what the Redskins' offense needed. The D played really well in the first half, keeping them in the game and allowing the offense to continue to do what it wants to do. It also doesn't hurt that Griffin looks much more comfortable and fluid moving around. At the very least, they were finally fun to watch again.

Scouting report: On my way from the stadium back to my car yesterday, I heard a guy tell his friend, "Next week could be tough because we don't match-up well against Denver." Understatement of the year? Here's to hoping they are at least fun to watch.

 

[MattFancy]

2 notes:

Jordan Reed is good. Very good.

Brandon Merriweather is going to be suspended.

Agree on both. I'm firmly on "Team Jordan". :mancrush:

And Meriweather is pissing me off. The team needs his speed in the secondary and he's playing like an idiot who refuses to accept the new rules. His absence is going to hurt the defense and it can't afford to be hurt like that.

Wouldn't say missing him would hurt the team exactly. Not like he's been that great since he's been out there. Or maybe I'm just missing something. But I agree that he should be suspended.

 

[dgreen]

2 notes:

Jordan Reed is good. Very good.

Brandon Merriweather is going to be suspended.

Agree on both. I'm firmly on "Team Jordan". :mancrush:

And Meriweather is pissing me off. The team needs his speed in the secondary and he's playing like an idiot who refuses to accept the new rules. His absence is going to hurt the defense and it can't afford to be hurt like that.

Wouldn't say missing him would hurt the team exactly. Not like he's been that great since he's been out there. Or maybe I'm just missing something. But I agree that he should be suspended.

It's more about who would have to replace him rather than how great he's been. Despite not being "great", there would still be a big drop going to the next guy.

 

[MattFancy]

2 notes:

Jordan Reed is good. Very good.

Brandon Merriweather is going to be suspended.

Agree on both. I'm firmly on "Team Jordan". :mancrush:

And Meriweather is pissing me off. The team needs his speed in the secondary and he's playing like an idiot who refuses to accept the new rules. His absence is going to hurt the defense and it can't afford to be hurt like that.

Wouldn't say missing him would hurt the team exactly. Not like he's been that great since he's been out there. Or maybe I'm just missing something. But I agree that he should be suspended.

It's more about who would have to replace him rather than how great he's been. Despite not being "great", there would still be a big drop going to the next guy.

Yeah I guess so. We'll need all the help we can get in the secondary against Denver. But I just haven't been that impressed with Merriweather so far.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

For all of those that say the offense is improved, that is a partly true and not completely there. CHI lost Briggs (who had our # all game) and Tillman during the second half. Add that the pass to A. Robinson was a fluke TD from a pass that never should have been thrown. Let's face it, bad play by CB and S falls down...is the only reason it worked.

Some nice runs as the game went along and Reed is a BEAST. Gotta give it there, we found a gem of a player!

Our D generated almost zero pass rush and was getting it handed to them by a back up. Merriweather hurts us as much as he helps us. Haz seems intent on playing only one safety a lot too...why? Adding Biggers on the field is really better than having Doughty out there?

 

[MattFancy]

For all of those that say the offense is improved, that is a partly true and not completely there. CHI lost Briggs (who had our # all game) and Tillman during the second half. Add that the pass to A. Robinson was a fluke TD from a pass that never should have been thrown. Let's face it, bad play by CB and S falls down...is the only reason it worked.

Some nice runs as the game went along and Reed is a BEAST. Gotta give it there, we found a gem of a player!

Our D generated almost zero pass rush and was getting it handed to them by a back up. Merriweather hurts us as much as he helps us. Haz seems intent on playing only one safety a lot too...why? Adding Biggers on the field is really better than having Doughty out there?

The offense has definitely gotten better, still not as good as last year, but there have been improvements. The running game seems to be back on track the last couple of weeks. RG3 still seems inaccurate and careless with some of his throws, but he looks more comfortable back there now.

 

[JustinHawkins]

RG3 the runner looks fantastic. RG3 the passer looks average to good, but no where near as great as last year. Hopefully he continues to improve. Its really like what, like week 2 for him since he had no reps in the preseason?

 

[(HULK)]

2 notes:

Jordan Reed is good. Very good.

Brandon Merriweather is going to be suspended.

And should be. He's a disgrace. Some of his hits are impossible to reason away. And the other ones, the ones that are close, get well-deserved criticism because he's such a known dirty player. He brings it all on himself.

I think we should just cut him. I don't approve of the way he is playing. He's been headhunting for weeks now, doesn't even bother trying to arm tackle.

 

[steveski]

2 notes:

Jordan Reed is good. Very good.

Brandon Merriweather is going to be suspended.

And should be. He's a disgrace. Some of his hits are impossible to reason away. And the other ones, the ones that are close, get well-deserved criticism because he's such a known dirty player. He brings it all on himself.

I think we should just cut him. I don't approve of the way he is playing. He's been headhunting for weeks now, doesn't even bother trying to arm tackle.

I agree. He is the poster boy for exactly why this rule is in place. I haven't seen all the skins game but I saw the GB game and yesterdays game and in both he had 2 obvious head shots. He needs to be suspended for multiple games and HEAVILY fined at the minimum. He obviously didn't get the memo in the GB game when he knocked Lacy out and then himself out in different plays. If Goodell doesn't do something serious then nobody will take this rule serious.

The rest of the team looks like it's getting some life though. RG3 having 2 good games running the ball is a good sign. Reed is legit. That defense just needs to step up.

 

[MattFancy]

What's strange is, this was the worst the defense has looked since the GB game. Most of Chicago's offense came in the 2nd half with McCown at QB. I dunno why, but the defense can't seem to play well against backups not named Matt Flynn.

 

[Hang 10]

Merriweather should not have been flagged on the Jeffery hit. Led with his shoulder and hit Jeffery right in the chest. And Noway was he defenseless... He had caught the ball and taken multiple steps.

Now the hit on Marshall was bad. I guess the only reasoning I can come up with is he thought it would be better to take the penalty than give up a td.

 

[steveski]

Merriweather should not have been flagged on the Jeffery hit. Led with his shoulder and hit Jeffery right in the chest. And Noway was he defenseless... He had caught the ball and taken multiple steps.

Now the hit on Marshall was bad. I guess the only reasoning I can come up with is he thought it would be better to take the penalty than give up a td.

I know you're not defending him and I'm not accusing you of that, but wouldn't a clean shot to the chest be a better way to knock the ball out even if head shots were legal? Only legit reason he could possibly come up with is that he was going for the chest and missed. I could see that happening and would believe it if 99.5% of the corners in the league said it. Unfortunately, Merriweather is in that 0.5%. I think it's his instinct to aim high. Difficult to change someones instincts if they're just getting a slap on the wrist.

 

[fatness]

Scouting report: On my way from the stadium back to my car yesterday, I heard a guy tell his friend, "Next week could be tough because we don't match-up well against Denver."

That's awesome. Some Skins fans are so delusional it's like studying a different species or something.

I kept watching the Colts last night and seeing how well their secondary covered Denver receivers. They did a far better job of it than anyone else this year and won as a result. Trying to picture the Redskin DB's doing a similar job is getting into delusional territory though. It'll take a series of events for the Skins to beat Denver, maybe something like power outage, volcano, Manning reaching menopause, and a plague that only strikes the Denver huddle. If all that happens I think we got 'em.

Merriweather shouldn't be cut. You never cut anyone until you have someone equal or better to replace them. We don't.

It was good to see the running game going again. The Colts couldn't run much against Denver so next week will be a big test. The Skins run better than the Colts. The Bears D-line was in the Skins backfield an alarming number of times, though.

Deangelo Hall has played pretty well the last 2 weeks by the way.

 

[MattFancy]

IF, and it's a big IF, we are going to beat the Broncos, we pass rush is going to have to be on point all game. You beat Manning by making him uncomfortable in the pocket and getting him and his WRs off their timing. I don't care how many guys you drop back into coverage, Manning will find someone to throw to. Kerrigan and Orakpo are going to have to be in Manning's face all day.

Getting the run game going will be another. Keeping Manning off the field is key. I don't think the Broncos have faced a good rushing attack like our's yet this year, so could be a big test.

I don't think we'll win this game, I'm just hoping to keep it respectable.

 

[Warrior]

IF, and it's a big IF, we are going to beat the Broncos, we pass rush is going to have to be on point all game. You beat Manning by making him uncomfortable in the pocket and getting him and his WRs off their timing.

I'm kind of sick of hearing this about Manning. It's the exact same thing for all QBs...you fluster them by getting your pass rushers close by and disrupting timing. Its like everyone who says this about Manning thinks it makes them sound smart to point out some kind of Peyton-specific weakness.

You beat the 2013 Broncos by getting lucky on turnovers. Causing Hillman/Ball to fumble. Maybe a key injury or two. That's about it.

 

[Yenrub]

Reed is legit. Nice win today.

Tell me more about this Jordan Reed guy he is on the waiver wire in my league and I need a backup TE.

Is he the TE to own in Washington?

Is he consistently part of the game plan?

Don’t they have a few other TE’s that see playing time?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Reed is legit. Nice win today.

Tell me more about this Jordan Reed guy he is on the waiver wire in my league and I need a backup TE.

Is he the TE to own in Washington?

Yes.

Is he consistently part of the game plan?

Yes, he is now.

Don’t they have a few other TE’s that see playing time?

Not really. Fred Davis is in the dog house, Niles Paul is still a TE project and really more of a special teams guy, and Logan Paulsen is more of a blocking TE than a receiving TE. Reed is super athletic and has, by all accounts, come a long way in his route running and his blocking since being drafted. He's a legitimate receiving threat and Griffin trusts him. I don't think you'll be disappointed with him as your TE #2 this season.

 

[MattFancy]

IF, and it's a big IF, we are going to beat the Broncos, we pass rush is going to have to be on point all game. You beat Manning by making him uncomfortable in the pocket and getting him and his WRs off their timing.

I'm kind of sick of hearing this about Manning. It's the exact same thing for all QBs...you fluster them by getting your pass rushers close by and disrupting timing. Its like everyone who says this about Manning thinks it makes them sound smart to point out some kind of Peyton-specific weakness.

You beat the 2013 Broncos by getting lucky on turnovers. Causing Hillman/Ball to fumble. Maybe a key injury or two. That's about it.

The Colts were getting pressure on him all game and forcing his throws earlier. Disrputs timing and leads to INTs. Sure same can be said for all QBs. But it's not like Manning is mobile enough to move around much if the pressure is coming at him. So essentially you're saying no team is going to beat the Broncos again this year unless they get lucky?

 

[MattFancy]

From Rotoworld:

The NFL will suspend Redskins SS Brandon Meriweather for one or two games.

Meriweather was flagged for two clear-cut personal fouls in Sunday's win over the Bears, adding to his well-deserved reputation as a head-hunter. The NFL is still mulling the length of the ban, but this one should stick on appeal. Meriweather's long history of fines has obviously done nothing to change his playing style. With Reed Doughty battling a concussion, the Redskins are getting thin at safety.

 

[fatness]

From Rotoworld:

The NFL will suspend Redskins SS Brandon Meriweather for one or two games.

Meriweather was flagged for two clear-cut personal fouls in Sunday's win over the Bears, adding to his well-deserved reputation as a head-hunter. The NFL is still mulling the length of the ban, but this one should stick on appeal. Meriweather's long history of fines has obviously done nothing to change his playing style. With Reed Doughty battling a concussion, the Redskins are getting thin at safety.

I heard Merriweather on the radio this morning (might have been recorded yesterday). He said the penalty calls came from "which ref is watching", not from doing anything wrong. The guy doesn't get it. I'm suprised the team hasn't been more effective getting him to change since they want him on the field.

 

[fatness]

Reed is legit. Nice win today.

Tell me more about this Jordan Reed guy he is on the waiver wire in my league and I need a backup TE.

Is he the TE to own in Washington?

Is he consistently part of the game plan?

Don’t they have a few other TE’s that see playing time?

Yes.

Yes.

Paulsen sees time as a blocker. Davis keeps being put on the inactive list.

Reed is definitely worth owning in fantasy, especially so in dynasty leagues. He is currently the Redskins best receiver, and their passing game is improving.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

IF, and it's a big IF, we are going to beat the Broncos, we pass rush is going to have to be on point all game. You beat Manning by making him uncomfortable in the pocket and getting him and his WRs off their timing.

I'm kind of sick of hearing this about Manning. It's the exact same thing for all QBs...you fluster them by getting your pass rushers close by and disrupting timing. Its like everyone who says this about Manning thinks it makes them sound smart to point out some kind of Peyton-specific weakness.

You beat the 2013 Broncos by getting lucky on turnovers. Causing Hillman/Ball to fumble. Maybe a key injury or two. That's about it.

The Colts were getting pressure on him all game and forcing his throws earlier. Disrputs timing and leads to INTs. Sure same can be said for all QBs. But it's not like Manning is mobile enough to move around much if the pressure is coming at him. So essentially you're saying no team is going to beat the Broncos again this year unless they get lucky?

Yeah, I think the more accurate statement is that you beat the 2013 Broncos by playing aggressive man to man and by getting home to the QB with a four man rush. Those are two things the Redskins haven't been all that great at. They don't often get home with four, despite having pretty good edge pass rushers, because they rarely get pressure up the middle. The aggressive man to man part relies on personnel that I don't think the Redskins have, but it also relies upon getting an officiating crew that won't be illegal contact/defensive holding happy. Or at the very least, avoiding those calls in key situations.

 

[MattFancy]

IF, and it's a big IF, we are going to beat the Broncos, we pass rush is going to have to be on point all game. You beat Manning by making him uncomfortable in the pocket and getting him and his WRs off their timing.

I'm kind of sick of hearing this about Manning. It's the exact same thing for all QBs...you fluster them by getting your pass rushers close by and disrupting timing. Its like everyone who says this about Manning thinks it makes them sound smart to point out some kind of Peyton-specific weakness.

You beat the 2013 Broncos by getting lucky on turnovers. Causing Hillman/Ball to fumble. Maybe a key injury or two. That's about it.

The Colts were getting pressure on him all game and forcing his throws earlier. Disrputs timing and leads to INTs. Sure same can be said for all QBs. But it's not like Manning is mobile enough to move around much if the pressure is coming at him. So essentially you're saying no team is going to beat the Broncos again this year unless they get lucky?

Yeah, I think the more accurate statement is that you beat the 2013 Broncos by playing aggressive man to man and by getting home to the QB with a four man rush. Those are two things the Redskins haven't been all that great at. They don't often get home with four, despite having pretty good edge pass rushers, because they rarely get pressure up the middle. The aggressive man to man part relies on personnel that I don't think the Redskins have, but it also relies upon getting an officiating crew that won't be illegal contact/defensive holding happy. Or at the very least, avoiding those calls in key situations.

Not sure the Skins have the personnel to do it either. I think our offense will be able to move the ball against the Denver D. I just have no idea what to expect from the Skins D. The one that has looked good against Detroit, Oakland, Dallas, and the 1st half against Chicago? Or the one that has shown up in the other games?