***Official*** Washington Redskins 2013 Thread (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

David Elfin

After last night’s listless 27-6 loss to San Francisco in Landover that dropped the defending NFC East champions three games behind the front-running Eagles and Dallas Cowboys in the division race, it’s near-impossible to find anything that can spur a Washington turnaround.

The offense, which had clearly been the Redskins’ strength, didn’t score a touchdown for the first time since Week 10 of 2011 while producing just 190 yards and 10 first downs, 30 and one after halftime.

The ever-bumbling defense surrendered 27 points and 304 yards to a 49ers offense that had managed just 29 points and 347 yards in its previous two games combined.

The woeful special teams gave up 14.4 yards per punt return, more than double San Francisco’s previous average. Worst of all, Shanahan’s Redskins played and coached with no fire.

The Redskins’ valiant comebacks that fell just short against the Vikings and Eagles the previous two weeks showed that they hadn’t quit on their most disappointing season since any of them, save ninth-year receiver Santana Moss, first arrived in Washington.

Those efforts told me that Shanahan still had the players’ hearts and minds, that he hadn’t lost the locker room. But last night’s passion-less performance said otherwise.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Fred Smoot said RGIII got better QB coaching at Baylor than he is currently with the Redskins. Hard to argue with that...

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Telling stat during game was approximately 32 passing attempts for RGIII were made this year when Redskins had the lead, this was out of 394 attempts. Brought home a true feeling of how consistently bad we've been this year.

 

[MattFancy]

I say bring on Chucky at this point.

God no. Didn't he and Bruce Allen leave Tampa with an empty cupboard? Gruden would just stockpile aging players and make faces on the sidelines.

He's overrated here and I don't understand the love for this guy on footballguys.

Look, the guy turned Rich Gannon into a stud. And then I think another Redskins reject in Tampa.

I feel like we need a coach that can develop our QB. RG3 has the skillset, he just needs the polish. Chucky could do that imo.

I think our next decade's success depends on RG3 much more than anything else.

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but if we go in a new direction at HC, I want Darrell Bevell. Look what he's done with Russell Wilson. He could easily do the same if not more with RG3. Why would we not want to bring him in here? The re-tread coaches obviously aren't working here. Bring in someone new.

I know nothing about Bevell. Edumacate me.

Was a former QB at Wisconsin. Had a few coaching jobs in college, nothing major. Coached in GB with Favre as his QB coach. Was the OC in Minnesota with Childress and was a big reason Favre wanted to go to Minnesota. Now the OC of the Seahawks. I'd say he's doing a really job with Russell Wilson there.

With coaching Favre, you know he can deal with egos, so that shouldn't be a problem. RG3 and Wilson have a very similar playing style so we wouldn't have a coach coming in and trying to change everything RG3 does.

 

[MattFancy]

Even better news per Rotoworld:

Redskins RE Stephen Bowen suffered a season-ending knee injury in Monday's loss, and could need microfracture surgery.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm liking the Pioli/McDaniels reunion idea. McDaniels would be fine as a HC/offensive mind as long as he's not in complete control. He messed himself in Denver when he got his shot because he was in complete control. He's a brilliant offensive mind and if Pioli can set us up defensively the way he helped set up NE back in the day and KC more recently, we'll be happy fans. He's got extensive experience acquiring talent for the 3-4.

I also bet that failing once was a great lesson for McDaniels, a la Belichick once upon a time.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

I'm liking the Pioli/McDaniels reunion idea. McDaniels would be fine as a HC/offensive mind as long as he's not in complete control. He messed himself in Denver when he got his shot because he was in complete control. He's a brilliant offensive mind and if Pioli can set us up defensively the way he helped set up NE back in the day and KC more recently, we'll be happy fans. He's got extensive experience acquiring talent for the 3-4.

I also bet that failing once was a great lesson for McDaniels, a la Belichick once upon a time.

Hell NO!!!! McDaniels is a polarizing figure that cannot be anything more than an OC...you think we have dysfunctional now, it would only be a matter of time before that bomb (McDaniels) would go BOOM!

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Even better news per Rotoworld:

Redskins RE Stephen Bowen suffered a season-ending knee injury in Monday's loss, and could need microfracture surgery.

He is out for the season, but didn't hurt himself last night...he was inactive for the game bcuz he was already hurt.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm liking the Pioli/McDaniels reunion idea. McDaniels would be fine as a HC/offensive mind as long as he's not in complete control. He messed himself in Denver when he got his shot because he was in complete control. He's a brilliant offensive mind and if Pioli can set us up defensively the way he helped set up NE back in the day and KC more recently, we'll be happy fans. He's got extensive experience acquiring talent for the 3-4.

I also bet that failing once was a great lesson for McDaniels, a la Belichick once upon a time.

Hell NO!!!! McDaniels is a polarizing figure that cannot be anything more than an OC...you think we have dysfunctional now, it would only be a matter of time before that bomb (McDaniels) would go BOOM!

He's an offensive genius, and he's proven he can adapt to his personnel, which is what we need.

You're afraid of him being the HC (rather than "just" an OC) because you're used to the HC of the Skins being in charge of everything. This would only work with a competent talent-evaluator as GM being the top dog in the FO.

In this scenario, McDaniels just manages and coaches the guys his GM gets him. He'd have no choice but to accept an arrangement like that after he made such a fool of himself as a personnel guy in Denver.

 

[TxBuckeye]

The line is pretty decent to good.

I have to admit, this statement makes me wonder if you have actually watched a game. Griffin is getting killed. What could possibly make you think the line is anywhere near decent, yet along good?

 

[metoo]

I say bring on Chucky at this point.

God no. Didn't he and Bruce Allen leave Tampa with an empty cupboard? Gruden would just stockpile aging players and make faces on the sidelines.

He's overrated here and I don't understand the love for this guy on footballguys.

Look, the guy turned Rich Gannon into a stud. And then I think another Redskins reject in Tampa.

I feel like we need a coach that can develop our QB. RG3 has the skillset, he just needs the polish. Chucky could do that imo.

I think our next decade's success depends on RG3 much more than anything else.

How did Tampa look once he left?

Like they won a superbowl?

With players he didn't draft. He left Tampa in a mess. For Washington to turn this around they will need good drafting and smart free agency moves. Did Gruden do either in Tampa?

 

[fatness]

I'm liking the Pioli/McDaniels reunion idea. McDaniels would be fine as a HC/offensive mind as long as he's not in complete control. He messed himself in Denver when he got his shot because he was in complete control. He's a brilliant offensive mind and if Pioli can set us up defensively the way he helped set up NE back in the day and KC more recently, we'll be happy fans. He's got extensive experience acquiring talent for the 3-4.

I also bet that failing once was a great lesson for McDaniels, a la Belichick once upon a time.

Sir, you're a friend and I agree with a lot of what you post. But on this one, you're insane. McDaniels should be a head coach only after Hilary Clinton, George Clinton, Zooey Deschanel, Alec Baldwin, and the ShamWow guy have been one.

 

[fatness]

I'm liking the Pioli/McDaniels reunion idea. McDaniels would be fine as a HC/offensive mind as long as he's not in complete control. He messed himself in Denver when he got his shot because he was in complete control. He's a brilliant offensive mind and if Pioli can set us up defensively the way he helped set up NE back in the day and KC more recently, we'll be happy fans. He's got extensive experience acquiring talent for the 3-4.

I also bet that failing once was a great lesson for McDaniels, a la Belichick once upon a time.

Hell NO!!!! McDaniels is a polarizing figure that cannot be anything more than an OC...you think we have dysfunctional now, it would only be a matter of time before that bomb (McDaniels) would go BOOM!

He's an offensive genius, and he's proven he can adapt to his personnel, which is what we need.

He single-handedly wrecked Denver's offense and ended up drafting Tebow.

 

[fatness]

The line is pretty decent to good.

I have to admit, this statement makes me wonder if you have actually watched a game. Griffin is getting killed. What could possibly make you think the line is anywhere near decent, yet along good?

No kidding. There's someone in another topic posting how the Redskins O-line is a "top 4" O-line due to some metric or other. Yet when someone just watches the games they can see they're only half a step above the Golden Girls.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm liking the Pioli/McDaniels reunion idea. McDaniels would be fine as a HC/offensive mind as long as he's not in complete control. He messed himself in Denver when he got his shot because he was in complete control. He's a brilliant offensive mind and if Pioli can set us up defensively the way he helped set up NE back in the day and KC more recently, we'll be happy fans. He's got extensive experience acquiring talent for the 3-4.

I also bet that failing once was a great lesson for McDaniels, a la Belichick once upon a time.

Hell NO!!!! McDaniels is a polarizing figure that cannot be anything more than an OC...you think we have dysfunctional now, it would only be a matter of time before that bomb (McDaniels) would go BOOM!

He's an offensive genius, and he's proven he can adapt to his personnel, which is what we need.

He single-handedly wrecked Denver's offense and ended up drafting Tebow.

Because he had control of personnel. I think you'd have to be crazy to allow that to happen again.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm liking the Pioli/McDaniels reunion idea. McDaniels would be fine as a HC/offensive mind as long as he's not in complete control. He messed himself in Denver when he got his shot because he was in complete control. He's a brilliant offensive mind and if Pioli can set us up defensively the way he helped set up NE back in the day and KC more recently, we'll be happy fans. He's got extensive experience acquiring talent for the 3-4.

I also bet that failing once was a great lesson for McDaniels, a la Belichick once upon a time.

Sir, you're a friend and I agree with a lot of what you post. But on this one, you're insane. McDaniels should be a head coach only after Hilary Clinton, George Clinton, Zooey Deschanel, Alec Baldwin, and the ShamWow guy have been one.

I'd love to watch Zooey Deschanel walk our sidelines. Come on!

 

[fatness]

I'm liking the Pioli/McDaniels reunion idea. McDaniels would be fine as a HC/offensive mind as long as he's not in complete control. He messed himself in Denver when he got his shot because he was in complete control. He's a brilliant offensive mind and if Pioli can set us up defensively the way he helped set up NE back in the day and KC more recently, we'll be happy fans. He's got extensive experience acquiring talent for the 3-4.

I also bet that failing once was a great lesson for McDaniels, a la Belichick once upon a time.

Sir, you're a friend and I agree with a lot of what you post. But on this one, you're insane. McDaniels should be a head coach only after Hilary Clinton, George Clinton, Zooey Deschanel, Alec Baldwin, and the ShamWow guy have been one.

I'd love to watch Zooey Deschanel walk our sidelines. Come on!

Me too. And in all honest I'd choose her as head coach over McDaniels because when he's HC he's a team-wrecker. Zooey would never do that.

 

[TxBuckeye]

I know people believe Griffin needs to be in there getting snaps and getting experience. But I disagree. It wasn't that long ago when QBs were drafted and carried clipboards for a few YEARS before they were given a starting gig. In today's high priced league, teams can't afford to sit these guys like that. But I think at this point, it would benefit Griffin way more to get to sit back and watch Cousins play than to go out there and get killed week in and week out. He could sit back, watch the game while not getting crushed, and be getting tips and pointers from the coaches while it is going on, just like QBs used too. At this point, I see no real benefit to him being out there. He's a game away from becoming (as someone alluded too) another David Carr.

 

[Bayhawks]

I say bring on Chucky at this point.

God no. Didn't he and Bruce Allen leave Tampa with an empty cupboard? Gruden would just stockpile aging players and make faces on the sidelines.

He's overrated here and I don't understand the love for this guy on footballguys.

Look, the guy turned Rich Gannon into a stud. And then I think another Redskins reject in Tampa.

I feel like we need a coach that can develop our QB. RG3 has the skillset, he just needs the polish. Chucky could do that imo.

I think our next decade's success depends on RG3 much more than anything else.

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but if we go in a new direction at HC, I want Darrell Bevell. Look what he's done with Russell Wilson. He could easily do the same if not more with RG3. Why would we not want to bring him in here? The re-tread coaches obviously aren't working here. Bring in someone new.

I know nothing about Bevell. Edumacate me.

Was a former QB at Wisconsin. Had a few coaching jobs in college, nothing major. Coached in GB with Favre as his QB coach. Was the OC in Minnesota with Childress and was a big reason Favre wanted to go to Minnesota. Now the OC of the Seahawks. I'd say he's doing a really job with Russell Wilson there.

With coaching Favre, you know he can deal with egos, so that shouldn't be a problem. RG3 and Wilson have a very similar playing style so we wouldn't have a coach coming in and trying to change everything RG3 does.

I like this idea.

Which means Danny Boy is definitely not going to do it. He'll probably wait until Coughlin gets fired and hired him, or try to lure Brian Billick. You know, because those guys have won SBs, and he seems determined to go with retread coaches.

 

[fatness]

John Keim

Coaching future: Redskins coach Mike Shanahan points to several changes as examples of how the organization is better off now than when he was hired in 2010. But unless things change dramatically, the Redskins are looking at a third double-digit-loss season in his first four. You can point to reasons why they have taken a step back after last season. A 7-9 finish after a tough offseason -- quarterback rehabbing, team unable to sign quality free agents -- would be understandable. But the Redskins have not looked like a good team in any game this season. Even if the quarterback needs to develop, other parts of the team still can play well. That hasn’t happened. The Redskins have lost four games by double digits, the same number they lost in 2009 under Jim Zorn when they finished 4-12. They’re not losing close, hard-fought games and just need a little luck.

 

[fatness]

Also from Keim.

Meanwhile, Shanahan said he will not play young players just to see what he has on the roster. He sees in practice what the backups or those on the practice squad can do.

"You play the best players," Shanahan said. "We're not going to experiment with guys and think, 'Hey, this season's over. We're going to play our young players.' That means you've given up. We tell our scout team if you want to make the team, you better look pretty good against our first-team defense."

Redskins put Bowen on IR, waive Jerome Murphy. signed Josh Bellamy to the active roster, CB Peyton Thompson to PSquad. Leaves 1 spot open

 

[fatness]

Chad Dukes

“I love Mike Shanahan,” Dukes said, three minutes into the tirade. “He’s the best. He is the smartest man. I have never been able to fail at a job and then be handed a check like that.”

“Every time I fail at a job they come up and say ‘Dukes, we’ve had enough of you,’” he rolled on. “’Here’s your package and no we’re not paying you the rest of your contract. Goodbye, your services are no longer rendered.’ Mike Shanahan’s still getting a check for failure! God bless him. I love this country that you can do that. It is a great country, and God bless the NFL and the Washington Redskins. We hand out checks to people. What a pile of S situation this is.

“Mike, please, do me a favor. I’ll book the yacht. Give me the number for wherever your yacht is, I’ll have ‘em bring it around to Annapolis, get on the thing, and just go someplace where you can be happy with yourself for God’s sake.

“Money Mayweather, everybody hates him,” Dukes would say. “At least he’s going out there and getting punched in the face, and he’s winning. Mike Shanahan is just showing up.”

 

[fatness]

Redskins might have quit on Mike Shanahan

 

[fatness]

Larry Michaels is such a hopeless homer.

Michaels: Redskins are 7-7 here: 3-7 since Sept. 9 and 4-0 in the preseason.

And from Alfred Morris

Tailback Alfred Morris said after Monday night’s loss to the San Francisco 49ers at FedEx Field that the Washington Redskins didn’t have “the greatest of weeks” of practices leading up to the game. Morris stopped short of blaming the 27-6 defeat to the 49ers on that, however.

“It wasn’t the greatest of weeks,” Morris said. “But you’re gonna have that sometimes. Just because you had a bad week, not that we had a bad week, but sometimes if you have a few bad practices or a few bad [practice] periods doesn’t mean you’re gonna have a bad game. But like I said, today we just didn’t show up for whatever reason. I don’t know what it was.”

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Larry Michaels is such a hopeless homer.

Michaels: Redskins are 7-7 here: 3-7 since Sept. 9 and 4-0 in the preseason.

And from Alfred Morris

Tailback Alfred Morris said after Monday night’s loss to the San Francisco 49ers at FedEx Field that the Washington Redskins didn’t have “the greatest of weeks” of practices leading up to the game. Morris stopped short of blaming the 27-6 defeat to the 49ers on that, however.

“It wasn’t the greatest of weeks,” Morris said. “But you’re gonna have that sometimes. Just because you had a bad week, not that we had a bad week, but sometimes if you have a few bad practices or a few bad [practice] periods doesn’t mean you’re gonna have a bad game. But like I said, today we just didn’t show up for whatever reason. I don’t know what it was.”

Shanahan also said in his press conference that practice sucked this week, and you play like you practice. Heavily implied it, anyways.

 

[fatness]

If practice sucked, and they sucked in the game, and they're 3-8, it's hard not to think the team is quitting on the coaching staff.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

If practice sucked, and they sucked in the game, and they're 3-8, it's hard not to think the team is quitting on the coaching staff.

Yeah, morale is obviously at an all time low if your RB is even admitting that practice sucked. That means some asses were chewed out. And it accomplished nothing, because they went out and got their #### pushed in by the 49ers. This team has quit.

 

[fatness]

Wow, Mike Wise really lays into the Redskins.

Anyone watching the Monday Night fiasco that saw a listless team and a lifeless stadium streaming toward the exits at different junctures of the fourth quarter should also realize this: Resurrecting Vince Lombardi and un-retiring Joe Montana would not change the fact that Washington is a bad team that can’t block anybody and can’t cover anybody.

Josh Wilson is not a starting cornerback in the NFL. He may not be a starting cornerback in the CFL. Tyler Polumbus is not a starting offensive lineman in the NFL. Chris Chester and Polumbus were not just outmuscled and outquicked; the right side of Washington’s line was physically emasculated Monday night. Trent Williams is the best Robert Griffin III has at the moment, but even he looked as if he was sleepwalking the past two weeks.

A highly respected NFL mind recently told me, on condition of anonymity, that Washington probably has four genuine starters on defense – Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, DeAngelo Hall and Barry Cofield.

After a solid 2012 campaign, Stephen Bowen has been a disappointment. Jarvis Jenkins shows signs of coming around, but it’s unclear whether any long-term investment is worth it. That Reid Doughty and Kedric Golston have managed to not just stick around this long after being taken in the sixth round of the 2006 draft but to actually start and carve out veteran niches for themselves is not merely a statement about their own resolve and heart; it’s an indictment on the players they have beat out to get those jobs and an indictment on the people that brought their potential replacements in.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

I'm liking the Pioli/McDaniels reunion idea. McDaniels would be fine as a HC/offensive mind as long as he's not in complete control. He messed himself in Denver when he got his shot because he was in complete control. He's a brilliant offensive mind and if Pioli can set us up defensively the way he helped set up NE back in the day and KC more recently, we'll be happy fans. He's got extensive experience acquiring talent for the 3-4.

I also bet that failing once was a great lesson for McDaniels, a la Belichick once upon a time.

Hell NO!!!! McDaniels is a polarizing figure that cannot be anything more than an OC...you think we have dysfunctional now, it would only be a matter of time before that bomb (McDaniels) would go BOOM!

He's an offensive genius, and he's proven he can adapt to his personnel, which is what we need.

He single-handedly wrecked Denver's offense and ended up drafting Tebow.

Because he had control of personnel. I think you'd have to be crazy to allow that to happen again.

Unfortunately every HC has to have some control in the decisions and direction of the team, even if not the ultimate control. I'd only want McDaniels here as a highly paid OC, stick whatever title you want of Asst HC or what have you, but in responsibility as OC only. Anything above that is suicide!!!

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Those screens must have worked in practice for the them to run them over n over in the game though. Too bad J. Wilson was the guy covering the screens...

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Those screens must have worked in practice for the them to run them over n over in the game though. Too bad J. Wilson was the guy covering the screens...

Last time we played the 49ers was the game Helu caught 11 passes or whatever from Beck. So our coaches seem to think that the short passing game can slow down an aggressive front 7. Which can be true, if they go anywhere.

 

[fatness]

John Keim is taking stock of the mess this week. He's on local radio as a Redskin reporter more often than he used to be, and he's about 10 times better than Chris Russell. Rich Campbell is gone, sadly. He got a better job in Chicago. He deserves it, he's good, but I miss hearing and reading what he had to say about the Skins.

If the coaching is fine, as the players say, then it's on the players. If the players are good enough, as they still say they believe, then it's on the coaches. If both of those are working to their capability, then it's on those responsible for bringing in those players.

Something is not working. It's not just the quarterback. You can point your finger just about anywhere and have a legitimate beef. You want to blame head coach Mike Shanahan? Go ahead. You want to blame defensive coordinator Jim Haslett? Have at it. You want to target special-teams coordinator Keith Burns? Stand in line. You want to point the finger even higher and look at the owner, Dan Snyder? Fair game.

The Redskins have gone from being a team playing badly to just being a bad team. It's not about the record; it's about the way they've gotten there. It's about the fact that they haven't played a complete game at any point this season.

They've collected players who won't blame one another. That's great -- and to this point players have not done so. They're more shocked than anyone at what has happened. But four years into a regime, there should be more to hang your hat on than this, especially when an owner will have a decision to make in a month or so: Do you extend the contract of the head coach or tell him he must serve as a lame duck? Or do you fire him? You need to provide more than talk. There has to be an upward stretch over the next five weeks.

 

[dgreen]

I know people believe Griffin needs to be in there getting snaps and getting experience. But I disagree. It wasn't that long ago when QBs were drafted and carried clipboards for a few YEARS before they were given a starting gig. In today's high priced league, teams can't afford to sit these guys like that. But I think at this point, it would benefit Griffin way more to get to sit back and watch Cousins play than to go out there and get killed week in and week out. He could sit back, watch the game while not getting crushed, and be getting tips and pointers from the coaches while it is going on, just like QBs used too. At this point, I see no real benefit to him being out there. He's a game away from becoming (as someone alluded too) another David Carr.

No chance that goes over well. Remember how Griffin handled not playing the Cleveland game last year? It's not that I'd want Griffin to be happy about not playing, but unfortunately he has a lot of room to grow in how he reacts to things he doesn't like. I think a lot of that would come out in such a situation and make a bad environment even worse.

Also, I'm not sure I fully buy into David Carr Syndrome. Maybe Carr just wasn't very good. Maybe he doesn't ever really light it up even in a situation with really good protection. I still think people are creating too much of a story regarding the Griffin's hits. I'd love to see some analysis about the hits he takes compared to the hits other QBs take. As I watch other games, I see other QBs taking some really good hits each game, too.

 

[MattFancy]

There is absolutely NO, ZIP, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH good reason to sit RG3 at this point. Why would you want to create a QB controversy? If RG3 was hurt, sure bench him. But can we really prove he is hurt? His play has been shaky recently, but it's not all totally on him. The OL can't block anyone right now and outside of Garcon and Reed, there are no receiving options worth a damn. So how is Cousins, who is less mobile, going to fair better behind this awful OL? Please tell me. This is the same Cousins who stares down WRs like crazy.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I agree, it's like fans around the league (and some Redskins fans) forget that Cousins has a lot of the same flaws. Sounds like a coaching issue to me.

 

[fatness]

There is absolutely NO, ZIP, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH good reason to sit RG3 at this point. Why would you want to create a QB controversy?

You hit on the reason there --- some people love quarterback controversies. And with the Redskins flaming out like the Hindenburg at the moment some people want to poke and prod Redskin fans. You know how message boards are.

 

[pablito]

If the remainder of the Redskins' season implodes, then the Shanahan era will have to come to an end. Even Snyder will have to see that the current coaching staff has no room left to grow. I've been on the "continuity/slow-but-steady improvement" bandwagon for some time, but that train has now left the station. The reinstatement of our cap space penalty is all the more reason to make the change at season's end.

I generally like what Bruce Allen has done over the last few years, but we need a strong personnel guy, either under Allen or in place of him, along with a strong, stable HC who only coaches. That is not Josh McDaniels. Someof you could probably talk me into Bevell, but I'd throw another name out there: Mike Zimmer.

Zim has spent the last decade building and running extremely strong defenses in Cincinnati and Dallas; his players will run through walls for him. What is it we need? Someone to build a strong defense out of a weak group that only has a couple of playmakers. That's exactly what he did for the Bengals. Zim is not the flavor of the month... he has paid his dues with a lot of success and he's a proven strong guy organizationally. I have no doubt that he has a short list of OCs that he trusts to work in the same way.

I really do appreciate the improvements that Shanahan has brought to the team since the debacle of the prior administration. But it is time to move on.

 

[TxBuckeye]

There is absolutely NO, ZIP, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH good reason to sit RG3 at this point.

Of course there is, his health. Does anyone disagree that the season is lost? What is the benefit of throwing him out there to get destroyed week after week? Let him fully rehab, let Cousins get some game experience. I actually see no reason to trot him out there anymore this season. It isn't like he's progressing week after week, gaining valuable experience. He actually looks as bad or worse than previous weeks. I see no reason to continue to throw him out there other than worrying about his feelings getting hurt. And that's a pretty crappy reason.

 

[fatness]

Someof you could probably talk me into Bevell, but I'd throw another name out there: Mike Zimmer.Zim has spent the last decade building and running extremely strong defenses in Cincinnati and Dallas; his players will run through walls for him. What is it we need? Someone to build a strong defense out of a weak group that only has a couple of playmakers. That's exactly what he did for the Bengals. Zim is not the flavor of the month... he has paid his dues with a lot of success and he's a proven strong guy organizationally. I have no doubt that he has a short list of OCs that he trusts to work in the same way.

I really do appreciate the improvements that Shanahan has brought to the team since the debacle of the prior administration. But it is time to move on.

I think I remember Zimmer being considered once before, or at least all of us talking about him as a possible HC candidate. I haven't followed him since then but I've followed the Bengals defense a bit and they are one good unit.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

There is absolutely NO, ZIP, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH good reason to sit RG3 at this point.

Of course there is, his health. Does anyone disagree that the season is lost? What is the benefit of throwing him out there to get destroyed week after week? Let him fully rehab, let Cousins get some game experience. I actually see no reason to trot him out there anymore this season. It isn't like he's progressing week after week, gaining valuable experience. He actually looks as bad or worse than previous weeks. I see no reason to continue to throw him out there other than worrying about his feelings getting hurt. And that's a pretty crappy reason.

ugh people really keep missing the point. His rehab at this point is learning to play in real game speed after the injury. Sitting on the side won't help that. Physically he is fine. He just needs to learn to trust his body again and that comes with getting reps in actual games.

 

[TxBuckeye]

ugh people really keep missing the point. His rehab at this point is learning to play in real game speed after the injury. Sitting on the side won't help that. Physically he is fine. He just needs to learn to trust his body again and that comes with getting reps in actual games.

I'm not missing the point at all. I just don't agree with your point. I don't think learning to play at game speed is the issue. Reading defenses, progressing through reads, etc and so forth, is the issue. And he isn't learning it. That's become more obvious each week. I think he could pick up more from the sidelines at this point than he can on the field, simply repeating the same mistakes over and over.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

ugh people really keep missing the point. His rehab at this point is learning to play in real game speed after the injury. Sitting on the side won't help that. Physically he is fine. He just needs to learn to trust his body again and that comes with getting reps in actual games.

I'm not missing the point at all. I just don't agree with your point. I don't think learning to play at game speed is the issue. Reading defenses, progressing through reads, etc and so forth, is the issue. And he isn't learning it. That's become more obvious each week. I think he could pick up more from the sidelines at this point than he can on the field, simply repeating the same mistakes over and over.

I disagree. i agree with you that he is having issues with his reads and maybe even reading defenses. But again, he needs to learn while on the field. I could see your point if he would be learning from a veteran. But he would be watching someone with much LESS experience than him. Someone who looked BAD when he was in there this year as well. It just makes zero sense.

 

[dgreen]

There is absolutely NO, ZIP, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH good reason to sit RG3 at this point.

Of course there is, his health. Does anyone disagree that the season is lost? What is the benefit of throwing him out there to get destroyed week after week? Let him fully rehab, let Cousins get some game experience. I actually see no reason to trot him out there anymore this season. It isn't like he's progressing week after week, gaining valuable experience. He actually looks as bad or worse than previous weeks. I see no reason to continue to throw him out there other than worrying about his feelings getting hurt. And that's a pretty crappy reason.

Take Morris out, too? And Garcon? You basically think they should approach these remaining games as if they are the 4th preseason game?

 

[TxBuckeye]

Take Morris out, too? And Garcon? You basically think they should approach these remaining games as if they are the 4th preseason game?

Are they running wrong plays, messing up routes, missing assignments? I'm confused as to what point you're trying to make here. Is there something to be gained by them watching plays from the sideline?

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Take Morris out, too? And Garcon? You basically think they should approach these remaining games as if they are the 4th preseason game?

Are they running wrong plays, messing up routes, missing assignments? I'm confused as to what point you're trying to make here. Is there something to be gained by them watching plays from the sideline?

His point is that you dont start benching your team once they are out of it. You start trying to get better.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Happy Thanksgiving fellow redskins fans. A year ago, we were blessed with an amazing thanksgiving win. Oh how far we've come. I look forward to turning things around next season.

 

[fatness]

Happy thanksgiving to everyone here.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Take Morris out, too? And Garcon? You basically think they should approach these remaining games as if they are the 4th preseason game?

Are they running wrong plays, messing up routes, missing assignments? I'm confused as to what point you're trying to make here. Is there something to be gained by them watching plays from the sideline?

His point is that you dont start benching your team once they are out of it. You start trying to get better.

Right. And I explained earlier why I think benching Griffin is the right move, to help him get better. The injury part was just a specific response to a specific question. It isn't the reason I would bench Griffin. Which is why the whole Garcon/Morris thing made no sense to me.

 

[fatness]

All the "bench Griffin or not" talk is obscuring talking about all the other Redskin players, their coaches, and their on-field problems this year.

 

[MattFancy]

All the "bench Griffin or not" talk is obscuring talking about all the other Redskin players, their coaches, and their on-field problems this year.

Agreed. RG3 is FAR from the reason this team is 3-8. #1 would have to be our defense. I don't care who your QB is, when you're allowing over 30 points a game, you're not going to win many. #2 would have to be special teams. Have we returned any kickoff to the 30 this year? Any punts more than 20 yards? When your special teams can't flip the field for your offense, it just puts more pressure on the offense.

But I guess all of that is RG3's fault. And I haven't even gotten to the OL play of late. But RG3 is such a lightning rod that the media has an easy target.