***Official*** Washington Redskins 2013 Thread (1 Viewer)

[valhallan]

I don't know why Shanny wouldn't just roll out. Mansion, rings, cash.

His son? Kyle has his own contract.

 

[MattFancy]

Shanny has to go. Wouldn't be surprised if he's gone later today. He's obviously working up an exit strategy. Seems like he's probably been the one leaking all the recent stories.

Just bring in Darrell Bevell next season and I'll be happy. I don't want a re-tread coach like Gruden/Cowher/Lovie.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Bring in Jay Gruden or Zimmer....

 

[MattFancy]

Bring in Jay Gruden or Zimmer....

I'd be okay with Gruden. I think we need an offensive guy at HC. My hope is the Jets fire Rex Ryan and he can be our DC.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Interested to know the Vegas odds on Shanny getting the axe today vs this week vs end of season.

 

[fatness]

Now that I've thought about it overnight, I think the story that he cleared out his desk and was quitting before the Seattle game last year is completely made up.

No player, coach, or reporter ever saw, reported, or heard of it at the time. None are chiming in now saying they knew but they kept quiet about it. Nobody.

It's just excuse-making to take the focus off Shanahan leaving an injured Griffin in the game far too long in a playoff game, which is the cause of the huge mess of this season and today.

He's a lying sack of ####.

 

[fatness]

the leaked report about a meddlesome owner sounded like the last straw.

probably would be the same result monday even if it had been a more competitive 13-10 loss?

Yes. Shanahan has leaked stories 3 weeks in a row in an effort to get out. $7 million a year and he acts like a sorority girl.

 

[fatness]

not sure if this has been posted (sorry if redundant)...

i thought the below article did a good job explaining how jr. has played a role in poisoning the atmosphere. it sounds like it has been toxic for even longer than many realized.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahan-by-hiring-his-son-kyle-has-created-an-untenable-situation/2013/12/04/80b55ee4-5cfe-11e3-be07-006c776266ed_story.html

Yeah, thanks. That was posted earlier in the thread. Jason Reid isn't the best beat reporter (which is why he's no longer a beat reporter) but his columns like that are usually pretty good.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Best article yet..

MIKE SHANAHAN’S BRILLIANT LAST ACT AS REDSKINS COACH; MAKING EVERYONE FORGET HE SUCKED

 

[MattFancy]

Now that I've thought about it overnight, I think the story that he cleared out his desk and was quitting before the Seattle game last year is completely made up.

No player, coach, or reporter ever saw, reported, or heard of it at the time. None are chiming in now saying they knew but they kept quiet about it. Nobody.

It's just excuse-making to take the focus off Shanahan leaving an injured Griffin in the game far too long in a playoff game, which is the cause of the huge mess of this season and today.

He's a lying sack of ####.

Agreed. If a HC had packed up his desk after a season, someone would have noticed and said something. Shanny is obviously just throwing out crap to make it seem like nothing is his fault. When in fact, it is his fault.

I've never been a huge Snyder fan, but you can't put this on him. Is he friendly with RG3? Probably. But Snyder isn't out there abandoning the run when we're up 13 in the 2nd half against the Vikings, Snyder is out there missing tons of tackles every game, Snyder isn't allowing huge kick/punt returns every game. This all falls on Shanny and the coaching staff IMO. Snyder isn't completely blameless in all of this, but he isn't the reason we're 3-10.

 

[Hang 10]

Now that I've thought about it overnight, I think the story that he cleared out his desk and was quitting before the Seattle game last year is completely made up.

No player, coach, or reporter ever saw, reported, or heard of it at the time. None are chiming in now saying they knew but they kept quiet about it. Nobody.

It's just excuse-making to take the focus off Shanahan leaving an injured Griffin in the game far too long in a playoff game, which is the cause of the huge mess of this season and today.

He's a lying sack of ####.

Agreed. If a HC had packed up his desk after a season, someone would have noticed and said something. Shanny is obviously just throwing out crap to make it seem like nothing is his fault. When in fact, it is his fault.

I've never been a huge Snyder fan, but you can't put this on him. Is he friendly with RG3? Probably. But Snyder isn't out there abandoning the run when we're up 13 in the 2nd half against the Vikings, Snyder is out there missing tons of tackles every game, Snyder isn't allowing huge kick/punt returns every game. This all falls on Shanny and the coaching staff IMO. Snyder isn't completely blameless in all of this, but he isn't the reason we're 3-10.

to both of you.

Listening to the redskins MMQB and people like Polin and Kornheiser have chimed into assign equal blame to RGIII, Snyder and Shanahan. To which I say, blame for what? The whole thing is so ridiculous. Shanahan built this team. He picked the staff. It's his. He needs to own it.

 

[MattFancy]

Now that I've thought about it overnight, I think the story that he cleared out his desk and was quitting before the Seattle game last year is completely made up.

No player, coach, or reporter ever saw, reported, or heard of it at the time. None are chiming in now saying they knew but they kept quiet about it. Nobody.

It's just excuse-making to take the focus off Shanahan leaving an injured Griffin in the game far too long in a playoff game, which is the cause of the huge mess of this season and today.

He's a lying sack of ####.

Agreed. If a HC had packed up his desk after a season, someone would have noticed and said something. Shanny is obviously just throwing out crap to make it seem like nothing is his fault. When in fact, it is his fault.

I've never been a huge Snyder fan, but you can't put this on him. Is he friendly with RG3? Probably. But Snyder isn't out there abandoning the run when we're up 13 in the 2nd half against the Vikings, Snyder is out there missing tons of tackles every game, Snyder isn't allowing huge kick/punt returns every game. This all falls on Shanny and the coaching staff IMO. Snyder isn't completely blameless in all of this, but he isn't the reason we're 3-10.

to both of you.

Listening to the redskins MMQB and people like Polin and Kornheiser have chimed into assign equal blame to RGIII, Snyder and Shanahan. To which I say, blame for what? The whole thing is so ridiculous. Shanahan built this team. He picked the staff. It's his. He needs to own it.

I don't think much blame falls on RG3. Look, he's a competitor, he's going to want to be out there playing. The coaching staff should've pulled him in the Seattle game. If the coaching staff believes he wasn't ready for Week 1 this year, they should've sat him until he was ready. That's what coaches are supposed to do. Sure RG3 has a bit of an ego, so do most NFL players and QBs in general. Rg3 hasn't played that well this year, but he's not the only reason we've been so bad.

When all the other bad teams like Jacksonville, Cleveland, Oakland, etc are showing signs of life this late in the season and we're totally crapping the bed, that's on the coaching staff. This season ended with the Minnesota game. We hold onto win that game, we're sitting a 4-5 coming off a road win and RG3 playing well. Instead we fall to 3-6 after blowing a double digit lead and we haven't won a game since.

The coaching staff hasn't made any adjustments all season it seems like. We either make them when it's too late (the season-opener) or we come out with a plan and the other team adjusts and we can't counter (Denver and Minnesota). How Burns still has a job right now is baffling. The special teams has been so horrible all season long. I've lost track of how many return TDs we've allowed this year, I think it's up to 4 or 5. How Haslett has remained here is just as baffling. The 7 game winning streak last year masked a ton of holes on this team. But again, this isn't anyone's fault but Shanny. He's the coach and VP. He put together this mess, he needs to go down with it.

 

[Marvelous]

Now that I've thought about it overnight, I think the story that he cleared out his desk and was quitting before the Seattle game last year is completely made up.

No player, coach, or reporter ever saw, reported, or heard of it at the time. None are chiming in now saying they knew but they kept quiet about it. Nobody.

It's just excuse-making to take the focus off Shanahan leaving an injured Griffin in the game far too long in a playoff game, which is the cause of the huge mess of this season and today.

He's a lying sack of ####.

I think the story is made up also. It does not mesh well with a team going to an exciting playoff game that they had solid hopes of winning.

Also, in my opinion, it does not make Shanahan look particularly good. So why would Shanahan be the source of the story?

 

[Marvelous]

My biggest fear is that Bruce Allen also goes and Snyder picks a few non-football cronies (Wyllie, maybe an accountant) to run the front office and hire a coach. They will split the GM duties like they did under Gibbs.

I believe Allen should stay. He can hire the new coach. He can hire an assistant GM to work for him.

 

[dgreen]

Now that I've thought about it overnight, I think the story that he cleared out his desk and was quitting before the Seattle game last year is completely made up.

No player, coach, or reporter ever saw, reported, or heard of it at the time. None are chiming in now saying they knew but they kept quiet about it. Nobody.

It's just excuse-making to take the focus off Shanahan leaving an injured Griffin in the game far too long in a playoff game, which is the cause of the huge mess of this season and today.

He's a lying sack of ####.

Agreed. If a HC had packed up his desk after a season, someone would have noticed and said something. Shanny is obviously just throwing out crap to make it seem like nothing is his fault. When in fact, it is his fault.

I've never been a huge Snyder fan, but you can't put this on him. Is he friendly with RG3? Probably. But Snyder isn't out there abandoning the run when we're up 13 in the 2nd half against the Vikings, Snyder is out there missing tons of tackles every game, Snyder isn't allowing huge kick/punt returns every game. This all falls on Shanny and the coaching staff IMO. Snyder isn't completely blameless in all of this, but he isn't the reason we're 3-10.

to both of you.

Listening to the redskins MMQB and people like Polin and Kornheiser have chimed into assign equal blame to RGIII, Snyder and Shanahan.

That was Al Galdi's take yesterday, too. It seems like the official ESPN 980 stance. I wouldn't say I blame Griffin for this, but he does have some growing up to do. He didn't really handle any of this the best way, but it's hard to say the 23 year old is of equal blame as the 60 year old head coach and the owner of the team.

 

[Hang 10]

Now that I've thought about it overnight, I think the story that he cleared out his desk and was quitting before the Seattle game last year is completely made up.

No player, coach, or reporter ever saw, reported, or heard of it at the time. None are chiming in now saying they knew but they kept quiet about it. Nobody.

It's just excuse-making to take the focus off Shanahan leaving an injured Griffin in the game far too long in a playoff game, which is the cause of the huge mess of this season and today.

He's a lying sack of ####.

Agreed. If a HC had packed up his desk after a season, someone would have noticed and said something. Shanny is obviously just throwing out crap to make it seem like nothing is his fault. When in fact, it is his fault.

I've never been a huge Snyder fan, but you can't put this on him. Is he friendly with RG3? Probably. But Snyder isn't out there abandoning the run when we're up 13 in the 2nd half against the Vikings, Snyder is out there missing tons of tackles every game, Snyder isn't allowing huge kick/punt returns every game. This all falls on Shanny and the coaching staff IMO. Snyder isn't completely blameless in all of this, but he isn't the reason we're 3-10.

to both of you.

Listening to the redskins MMQB and people like Polin and Kornheiser have chimed into assign equal blame to RGIII, Snyder and Shanahan.

That was Al Galdi's take yesterday, too. It seems like the official ESPN 980 stance. I wouldn't say I blame Griffin for this, but he does have some growing up to do. He didn't really handle any of this the best way, but it's hard to say the 23 year old is of equal blame as the 60 year old head coach and the owner of the team.

Agreed.

Also, it's a little tiring hearing about Snyder always being the boogeyman. By almost all accounts, he's been hands off with Gibbs and now Shanahan but whenever things go south, he's the culprit. Remember when people wanted to blame Snyder for McNabb? Now he's the reason Griffin is playing poorly and the team sucking. Sure.

 

[Marvelous]

Now that I've thought about it overnight, I think the story that he cleared out his desk and was quitting before the Seattle game last year is completely made up.

No player, coach, or reporter ever saw, reported, or heard of it at the time. None are chiming in now saying they knew but they kept quiet about it. Nobody.

It's just excuse-making to take the focus off Shanahan leaving an injured Griffin in the game far too long in a playoff game, which is the cause of the huge mess of this season and today.

He's a lying sack of ####.

Agreed. If a HC had packed up his desk after a season, someone would have noticed and said something. Shanny is obviously just throwing out crap to make it seem like nothing is his fault. When in fact, it is his fault.

I've never been a huge Snyder fan, but you can't put this on him. Is he friendly with RG3? Probably. But Snyder isn't out there abandoning the run when we're up 13 in the 2nd half against the Vikings, Snyder is out there missing tons of tackles every game, Snyder isn't allowing huge kick/punt returns every game. This all falls on Shanny and the coaching staff IMO. Snyder isn't completely blameless in all of this, but he isn't the reason we're 3-10.

to both of you.

Listening to the redskins MMQB and people like Polin and Kornheiser have chimed into assign equal blame to RGIII, Snyder and Shanahan.

That was Al Galdi's take yesterday, too. It seems like the official ESPN 980 stance. I wouldn't say I blame Griffin for this, but he does have some growing up to do. He didn't really handle any of this the best way, but it's hard to say the 23 year old is of equal blame as the 60 year old head coach and the owner of the team.

Agreed.

Also, it's a little tiring hearing about Snyder always being the boogeyman. By almost all accounts, he's been hands off with Gibbs and now Shanahan but whenever things go south, he's the culprit. Remember when people wanted to blame Snyder for McNabb? Now he's the reason Griffin is playing poorly and the team sucking. Sure.

The most baffling thing that occurred was how RGIII and Shanahan's verbal exchanges through the media. One day RGIII would say something and the next day, Shanahan had to address it or deny it. None of that should have ever been done outside of the locker room.

People make fun of Bill Belichick, but I think he handles the media the right way. The Patriots cover with their players how to handle the media and what they are and are not allowed to say. Wes Welker was talking about the differences now that he is in Denver.

It is clear no one did this with RGIII (or RGIII won't do it as he is told). That is the primary reason RGIII was in the news continually last off season.

 

[hammerva]

I love hearing people talk about the ego that RG3 has on the radio. I mean did I miss those 2 or 3 days when every radio station and local network spent most of the day talking about his wedding registry and what to get for him. People interviewing on sports blogs saying how cool it would be if RG3 was using wash towels or toasters that they bought. You can't feed the pig and wonder why it is getting fat. it is like buying a couple cases of beer for someone and then say 'you know I think my friend has a drinking problem"

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

If you were Tomlin or Gruden why would you come to DC?

The team is going to suck as long as Snyder owns it.

 

[dgreen]

If you were Tomlin or Gruden why would you come to DC?

The team is going to suck as long as Snyder owns it.

I fear we're headed for another Zorn situation where they have a hard time finding someone to take the job.

 

[Hang 10]

Now that I've thought about it overnight, I think the story that he cleared out his desk and was quitting before the Seattle game last year is completely made up.

No player, coach, or reporter ever saw, reported, or heard of it at the time. None are chiming in now saying they knew but they kept quiet about it. Nobody.

It's just excuse-making to take the focus off Shanahan leaving an injured Griffin in the game far too long in a playoff game, which is the cause of the huge mess of this season and today.

He's a lying sack of ####.

Agreed. If a HC had packed up his desk after a season, someone would have noticed and said something. Shanny is obviously just throwing out crap to make it seem like nothing is his fault. When in fact, it is his fault.

I've never been a huge Snyder fan, but you can't put this on him. Is he friendly with RG3? Probably. But Snyder isn't out there abandoning the run when we're up 13 in the 2nd half against the Vikings, Snyder is out there missing tons of tackles every game, Snyder isn't allowing huge kick/punt returns every game. This all falls on Shanny and the coaching staff IMO. Snyder isn't completely blameless in all of this, but he isn't the reason we're 3-10.

to both of you.

Listening to the redskins MMQB and people like Polin and Kornheiser have chimed into assign equal blame to RGIII, Snyder and Shanahan.

That was Al Galdi's take yesterday, too. It seems like the official ESPN 980 stance. I wouldn't say I blame Griffin for this, but he does have some growing up to do. He didn't really handle any of this the best way, but it's hard to say the 23 year old is of equal blame as the 60 year old head coach and the owner of the team.

Agreed.

Also, it's a little tiring hearing about Snyder always being the boogeyman. By almost all accounts, he's been hands off with Gibbs and now Shanahan but whenever things go south, he's the culprit. Remember when people wanted to blame Snyder for McNabb? Now he's the reason Griffin is playing poorly and the team sucking. Sure.

The most baffling thing that occurred was how RGIII and Shanahan's verbal exchanges through the media. One day RGIII would say something and the next day, Shanahan had to address it or deny it. None of that should have ever been done outside of the locker room.

People make fun of Bill Belichick, but I think he handles the media the right way. The Patriots cover with their players how to handle the media and what they are and are not allowed to say. Wes Welker was talking about the differences now that he is in Denver.

It is clear no one did this with RGIII (or RGIII won't do it as he is told). That is the primary reason RGIII was in the news continually last off season.

It all goes back to Shanahan not taking Griffin out of the game vs. Seattle. Griffin and his people never forgave Shanny for not protecting RGIII from himself. And deep down Shanny knows he was at fault as well.

 

[fatness]

Mike Jones says the story of Shanahan quitting is fake.

Mike Shanahan wants out. It’s painfully obvious, based on the report that leaked Sunday that he considered resigning last season because of frustrations over Snyder’s relationship with Robert Griffin III, that Shanahan would prefer Snyder to fire him so he can start over somewhere else. Redskins officials were furious over the report and believe that Shanahan leaked it in an attempt to force the owner’s hand. Why? Because just a partial handful of people would have known about the details, and because the Houston head coaching job just became available this past week and Shanahan already has been mentioned as a possible candidate. People close to the situation say Shanahan’s office was not at all packed up the day before or after the Seattle game. But it’s clear someone is now trying to revise history.

 

[Hang 10]

If you were Tomlin or Gruden why would you come to DC?

The team is going to suck as long as Snyder owns it.

If you are DC why the hell would we want either of them? How did Gruden and Allen workout in Tampa? Hiring Gruden would feel like hiring Shanahan all over.

Tomlin was handed the reigns of a super bowl winner and under his watch they've deteriorated.

Do not want.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Now that I've thought about it overnight, I think the story that he cleared out his desk and was quitting before the Seattle game last year is completely made up.

No player, coach, or reporter ever saw, reported, or heard of it at the time. None are chiming in now saying they knew but they kept quiet about it. Nobody.

It's just excuse-making to take the focus off Shanahan leaving an injured Griffin in the game far too long in a playoff game, which is the cause of the huge mess of this season and today.

He's a lying sack of ####.

Agreed. If a HC had packed up his desk after a season, someone would have noticed and said something. Shanny is obviously just throwing out crap to make it seem like nothing is his fault. When in fact, it is his fault.

I've never been a huge Snyder fan, but you can't put this on him. Is he friendly with RG3? Probably. But Snyder isn't out there abandoning the run when we're up 13 in the 2nd half against the Vikings, Snyder is out there missing tons of tackles every game, Snyder isn't allowing huge kick/punt returns every game. This all falls on Shanny and the coaching staff IMO. Snyder isn't completely blameless in all of this, but he isn't the reason we're 3-10.

to both of you.

Listening to the redskins MMQB and people like Polin and Kornheiser have chimed into assign equal blame to RGIII, Snyder and Shanahan. To which I say, blame for what? The whole thing is so ridiculous. Shanahan built this team. He picked the staff. It's his. He needs to own it.

I don't think much blame falls on RG3. Look, he's a competitor, he's going to want to be out there playing. The coaching staff should've pulled him in the Seattle game. If the coaching staff believes he wasn't ready for Week 1 this year, they should've sat him until he was ready. That's what coaches are supposed to do. Sure RG3 has a bit of an ego, so do most NFL players and QBs in general. Rg3 hasn't played that well this year, but he's not the only reason we've been so bad.

When all the other bad teams like Jacksonville, Cleveland, Oakland, etc are showing signs of life this late in the season and we're totally crapping the bed, that's on the coaching staff. This season ended with the Minnesota game. We hold onto win that game, we're sitting a 4-5 coming off a road win and RG3 playing well. Instead we fall to 3-6 after blowing a double digit lead and we haven't won a game since.

The coaching staff hasn't made any adjustments all season it seems like. We either make them when it's too late (the season-opener) or we come out with a plan and the other team adjusts and we can't counter (Denver and Minnesota). How Burns still has a job right now is baffling. The special teams has been so horrible all season long. I've lost track of how many return TDs we've allowed this year, I think it's up to 4 or 5. How Haslett has remained here is just as baffling. The 7 game winning streak last year masked a ton of holes on this team. But again, this isn't anyone's fault but Shanny. He's the coach and VP. He put together this mess, he needs to go down with it.

These two things and the lack of Shanny to ever address them is the prime example of how he has and is failing to a competent HC. The defense has basically been the same for the last few years, the 7 game winning streak was a product of the offense getting HOT. Special Teams have been HORRIBLE all season and can't be any worse than it is...even if we has absolutely no special teams coach at all.

 

[fatness]

Now that I've thought about it overnight, I think the story that he cleared out his desk and was quitting before the Seattle game last year is completely made up.

No player, coach, or reporter ever saw, reported, or heard of it at the time. None are chiming in now saying they knew but they kept quiet about it. Nobody.

It's just excuse-making to take the focus off Shanahan leaving an injured Griffin in the game far too long in a playoff game, which is the cause of the huge mess of this season and today.

He's a lying sack of ####.

I think the story is made up also. It does not mesh well with a team going to an exciting playoff game that they had solid hopes of winning.

Also, in my opinion, it does not make Shanahan look particularly good. So why would Shanahan be the source of the story?

The story, if believed, would explain that the owner was too cozy with Griffin, Shanahan quit as a result, he was cajoled into staying for the playoff game, and that against his better judgement Shanahan left Griffin in the game to get increasingly injured in order to please the owner.

That's the intended view conveyed by the (fake) story.

Nobody's buying it though.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The team is going to suck as long as Snyder owns it.

Yep. When two HOF coaches in Joe Gibbs and Mike Shanahan are both unable to get above .500 (collectively) despite getting four years each in the last decade, you know it is an organizational problem. Snyder is like a mini-Jerry Jones.

 

[fatness]

Listening to the redskins MMQB and people like Polin and Kornheiser have chimed into assign equal blame to RGIII, Snyder and Shanahan. To which I say, blame for what? The whole thing is so ridiculous. Shanahan built this team. He picked the staff. It's his. He needs to own it.

ESPN980 is owned by Dan Snyder. They have unspoken "official" stances on things, and employees don't deviate too far from those stances.

This morning they're a bit different, coming down mostly on Shanahan.

 

[fatness]

The team is going to suck as long as Snyder owns it.

Yep. When two HOF coaches in Joe Gibbs and Mike Shanahan are both unable to get above .500 (collectively) despite getting four years each in the last decade, you know it is an organizational problem. Snyder is like a mini-Jerry Jones.

Yes.

That's why someone else needs to hire the next head coach and GM.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

If you were Tomlin or Gruden why would you come to DC?

The team is going to suck as long as Snyder owns it.

I fear we're headed for another Zorn situation where they have a hard time finding someone to take the job.

Me too.

Snyder can be "hands off" all he wants, but ultimately he's still a petty tyrant. Just because he's not in the coach's face or in the media every day doesn't mean the culture of the organization isn't still driven by his personality and filled with his people.

 

[fatness]

If you were Tomlin or Gruden why would you come to DC?

The team is going to suck as long as Snyder owns it.

I fear we're headed for another Zorn situation where they have a hard time finding someone to take the job.

I think you're probably right, although the bright side of that is that glittery has-beens like Gruden won't take the job.

 

[Hang 10]

If you were Tomlin or Gruden why would you come to DC?

The team is going to suck as long as Snyder owns it.

I fear we're headed for another Zorn situation where they have a hard time finding someone to take the job.

Me too.

Snyder can be "hands off" all he wants, but ultimately he's still a petty tyrant. Just because he's not in the coach's face or in the media every day doesn't mean the culture of the organization isn't still driven by his personality and filled with his people.

Yup. It's that boogeyman Snyder. We'd be super bowl champs if only he'd stop giving our QB limo rides.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

In the ever evolving Snyder-Shanny chess match: Snyder should bring in D. McNabb to be an offensive consultant and call offensive plays, while making Shanny Jr the highest paid support staff (guys who run on field during tiemouts to bring cleat cleaner or water).

Leak another bogus story Shanny and see what my next move will be to get you to quit. Check, your move...

 

[fatness]

In the ever evolving Snyder-Shanny chess match: Snyder should bring in D. McNabb to be an offensive consultant and call offensive plays, while making Shanny Jr the highest paid support staff (guys who run on field during tiemouts to bring cleat cleaner or water).

Leak another bogus story Shanny and see what my next move will be to get you to quit. Check, your move...

I like this.

Give Haslett the OC duties, Kyle the DC duties, Mike the special teams duties, and Keith Burns the HC duties.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Now that I've thought about it overnight, I think the story that he cleared out his desk and was quitting before the Seattle game last year is completely made up.

No player, coach, or reporter ever saw, reported, or heard of it at the time. None are chiming in now saying they knew but they kept quiet about it. Nobody.

It's just excuse-making to take the focus off Shanahan leaving an injured Griffin in the game far too long in a playoff game, which is the cause of the huge mess of this season and today.

He's a lying sack of ####.

Agreed. If a HC had packed up his desk after a season, someone would have noticed and said something. Shanny is obviously just throwing out crap to make it seem like nothing is his fault. When in fact, it is his fault.

I've never been a huge Snyder fan, but you can't put this on him. Is he friendly with RG3? Probably. But Snyder isn't out there abandoning the run when we're up 13 in the 2nd half against the Vikings, Snyder is out there missing tons of tackles every game, Snyder isn't allowing huge kick/punt returns every game. This all falls on Shanny and the coaching staff IMO. Snyder isn't completely blameless in all of this, but he isn't the reason we're 3-10.

to both of you.

Listening to the redskins MMQB and people like Polin and Kornheiser have chimed into assign equal blame to RGIII, Snyder and Shanahan.

That was Al Galdi's take yesterday, too. It seems like the official ESPN 980 stance. I wouldn't say I blame Griffin for this, but he does have some growing up to do. He didn't really handle any of this the best way, but it's hard to say the 23 year old is of equal blame as the 60 year old head coach and the owner of the team.

Agreed.

Also, it's a little tiring hearing about Snyder always being the boogeyman. By almost all accounts, he's been hands off with Gibbs and now Shanahan but whenever things go south, he's the culprit. Remember when people wanted to blame Snyder for McNabb? Now he's the reason Griffin is playing poorly and the team sucking. Sure.

The most baffling thing that occurred was how RGIII and Shanahan's verbal exchanges through the media. One day RGIII would say something and the next day, Shanahan had to address it or deny it. None of that should have ever been done outside of the locker room.

People make fun of Bill Belichick, but I think he handles the media the right way. The Patriots cover with their players how to handle the media and what they are and are not allowed to say. Wes Welker was talking about the differences now that he is in Denver.

It is clear no one did this with RGIII (or RGIII won't do it as he is told). That is the primary reason RGIII was in the news continually last off season.

off the top of my head, the two most high profile contentious QB/coach situations i could think of was this one, and big ben and haley in PIT (weird, come to think of it, they had a bad season, too).

but agreed, as an outside observer, the whole tenor and scene was bizarre (like they were talking to each other through the media, almost like they couldn't even get their story straight because maybe they weren't talking to each other), and in retrospect, the signs were there that it was untenable... the fortunate seven game winning streak was sort of like temporary glue that held thing together precariously... but once the losing trend became more pronounced and inescapable, things exploded and flew apart that couldn't be contained any more.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

If you were Tomlin or Gruden why would you come to DC?

The team is going to suck as long as Snyder owns it.

I fear we're headed for another Zorn situation where they have a hard time finding someone to take the job.

Snyder can be "hands off" all he wants, but ultimately he's still a petty tyrant. Just because he's not in the coach's face or in the media every day doesn't mean the culture of the organization isn't still driven by his personality and filled with his people.

Yup. It's that boogeyman Snyder. We'd be super bowl champs if only he'd stop giving our QB limo rides.

Hello Mr. Michael! I'm a big fan of your show on 980. Thanks for posting.

 

[fatness]

More from Mike Jones, who does not work for Dan Snyder.

5. Damaged goods?: This team at once appeared to be very close to contending. Even early this season, despite the slow start, there was a sense that the key pieces were in place on offense and that the Redskins could erupt and offset a shaky defense. You had an up-and-coming franchise quarterback, promising running back, receiver, rookie tight end, Pro Bowl left tackle … But now it’s clear that the holes are abundant and that this roster is in need of an overhaul. The Redskins have money to spend in free agency this year. But the needs are so plentiful, that the money will have to be spread out across the board and big-name free agents will be hard to afford.

3. Griffin-Snyder relationship: We know that Snyder has a reputation of latching onto star players and developing divisive relationships with them. (See Clinton Portis and LaVar Arrington). We know that Snyder loves Robert Griffin III. The two had Thanksgiving together with Griffin’s family in Dallas last year after the Redskins’ victory over the Cowboys. Snyder and Griffin went to a couple high-roller events over the offseason. But how close are they? I’m told that during the season, the two have little contact. One person familiar with the situation said that Snyder, aware of his past missteps, made an effort to distance himself from Griffin during the season so he wouldn’t be perceived to be meddling. As one person put it, “There is no bat phone” for Griffin to call up Snyder whenever he’s upset about something. There’s no shot-calling on the quarterback’s part, and that Snyder hadn’t spoken to Griffin about the owner’s plans or the quarterback’s desires regarding Shanahan’s future. Will Snyder take Griffin’s pulse on the head coaching situation in the future? Probably. It’s not uncommon for a franchise quarterback to be asked what he thinks about a potential head coach. But will the two sit down and identify candidates together? Will Griffin give Snyder a wish list? Not at all.

 

[Hang 10]

More from Mike Jones, who does not work for Dan Snyder.

5. Damaged goods?: This team at once appeared to be very close to contending. Even early this season, despite the slow start, there was a sense that the key pieces were in place on offense and that the Redskins could erupt and offset a shaky defense. You had an up-and-coming franchise quarterback, promising running back, receiver, rookie tight end, Pro Bowl left tackle … But now it’s clear that the holes are abundant and that this roster is in need of an overhaul. The Redskins have money to spend in free agency this year. But the needs are so plentiful, that the money will have to be spread out across the board and big-name free agents will be hard to afford.

3. Griffin-Snyder relationship: We know that Snyder has a reputation of latching onto star players and developing divisive relationships with them. (See Clinton Portis and LaVar Arrington). We know that Snyder loves Robert Griffin III. The two had Thanksgiving together with Griffin’s family in Dallas last year after the Redskins’ victory over the Cowboys. Snyder and Griffin went to a couple high-roller events over the offseason. But how close are they? I’m told that during the season, the two have little contact. One person familiar with the situation said that Snyder, aware of his past missteps, made an effort to distance himself from Griffin during the season so he wouldn’t be perceived to be meddling. As one person put it, “There is no bat phone” for Griffin to call up Snyder whenever he’s upset about something. There’s no shot-calling on the quarterback’s part, and that Snyder hadn’t spoken to Griffin about the owner’s plans or the quarterback’s desires regarding Shanahan’s future. Will Snyder take Griffin’s pulse on the head coaching situation in the future? Probably. It’s not uncommon for a franchise quarterback to be asked what he thinks about a potential head coach. But will the two sit down and identify candidates together? Will Griffin give Snyder a wish list? Not at all.

Let's not let silly things like facts keep us for blaming the owner. It's so much more fun to just rant about how it's all his fault.

 

[fatness]

#Redskins have been outscored by 128 points this season, more than both seasons under Jim Zorn combined.

 

[Ghost Rider]

#Redskins have been outscored by 128 points this season, more than both seasons under Jim Zorn combined.

That's all on Shanahan for hiring a doofus like Jim Haslett as his DC. Does anyone think that guy knows anything about good defense?

 

[MattFancy]

I wouldn't say the holes are abundant on this team. We have our franchise LT, possible franchise QB, one of the best RBs in the league, a WR that is at/near the top in most receiving categories except TDs, a young talented TE, a young talented OLB, another OLB that is about to FA but could come back at the right price, and a young CB who seems to be improving (Amerson). I don't think the cupboard is nearly as bear as when Shanny took over. Sure we still need OL, LB, and DB help, but this team has some talent.

 

[fatness]

Michael Wilbon's column when Shanahan was hired.

And it's not like we don't have a book on Shanahan the talent evaluator: He's bad at it. Like Joe Gibbs, Shanahan is one helluva coach but not particularly insightful as a talent evaluator. In fact, the record already shows Shanahan drafted bust after bust after bust in an effort to fix the defense when he was coach in Denver. Even Elvis Dumervil was drafted to play the wrong position and became an all-pro after Shanahan departed. Shanahan the personnel man undermined Shanahan the coach so badly, he was fired after twice not making the playoffs. So, moving from Denver to Washington is going to change all that?

 

[RGIII HTTR]

#Redskins have been outscored by 128 points this season, more than both seasons under Jim Zorn combined.

That's all on Shanahan for hiring a doofus like Jim Haslett as his DC. Does anyone think that guy knows anything about good defense?

Let's see who else, Keith Burns is another doofus. Shanny Jr is another doofus too...that would make Mike the king of doofus'. Takes one to know one...hahaha!

 

[fatness]

I think the plural of doofus is "doofii".

 

[fatness]

Rich Tandler

Robert Griffin III addressed media reports that his head coach was upset with the quarterback’s relationship with team owner Dan Snyder. Well, sort of anyway. “I don’t know about it, still don’t know about it,” he said. “I’m just trying to deal with what I have to deal with right now, thinking about thing game, getting ready to watch the film.”

According to the ESPN report, Griffin received special treatment from Snyder including the owner sending his security detail to be with Griffin on occasions when the quarterback was out and sending his limo to give Griffin’s fiancée (now wife) rides after road games. “Not going to talk about that stuff, guys,” he said. “It’s not relevant to the football game, it’s not relevant to my life, which is my answer to that and it’s just ridiculous.”

“It’s not what the game’s about,” said a clearly frustrated Griffin. “Constantly I go to these press conferences and get asked questions about non-football things as opposed to football. It’s just not the way the game should be going. You partially understand some of it. There are other questions that need to be asked and there are other things we need to do like playing better.”

Near the end of the news conference, Griffin was asked why he thought his relationship with his coach constantly was being questioned. His answer was somewhat cryptic. “I don’t know. I’m getting frustrated now trying to hold everything back,” he said. “Some things are allowed to happen and we can cut a lot of this stuff out and it’s not being cut out. I don’t know what else I can do about that.”

 

[Marvelous]

#Redskins have been outscored by 128 points this season, more than both seasons under Jim Zorn combined.

That's all on Shanahan for hiring a doofus like Jim Haslett as his DC. Does anyone think that guy knows anything about good defense?

Let's see who else, Keith Burns is another doofus. Shanny Jr is another doofus too...that would make Mike the king of doofus'. Takes one to know one...hahaha!

I was actually thinking of posting this last week. I really don't understand why people are so unhappy with Kyle Shanahan.

The Redskin's offense is #1 in rushing yards, I think #7 overall.

Kyle Shanahan's offense is clearly better than Zorn's. it is better than Gibbs 2.0, better than the 700 page playbook Al Saunders had. It is better than Steve Spurrier's and Marty Shottenheimer's. This offense is certainly the best since Norv Turner's hey day, which is over a decade ago. And yet, people are so unhappy with it.

Kyle may need to work on his social skills, but his offense does work, even with a poor offensive line.

My opinions of Jim Haslett and Keith Burns are not in the same vein.

 

[Marvelous]

Rich Tandler

Robert Griffin III addressed media reports that his head coach was upset with the quarterback’s relationship with team owner Dan Snyder. Well, sort of anyway. “I don’t know about it, still don’t know about it,” he said. “I’m just trying to deal with what I have to deal with right now, thinking about thing game, getting ready to watch the film.”

According to the ESPN report, Griffin received special treatment from Snyder including the owner sending his security detail to be with Griffin on occasions when the quarterback was out and sending his limo to give Griffin’s fiancée (now wife) rides after road games. “Not going to talk about that stuff, guys,” he said. “It’s not relevant to the football game, it’s not relevant to my life, which is my answer to that and it’s just ridiculous.”

“It’s not what the game’s about,” said a clearly frustrated Griffin. “Constantly I go to these press conferences and get asked questions about non-football things as opposed to football. It’s just not the way the game should be going. You partially understand some of it. There are other questions that need to be asked and there are other things we need to do like playing better.”

Near the end of the news conference, Griffin was asked why he thought his relationship with his coach constantly was being questioned. His answer was somewhat cryptic. “I don’t know. I’m getting frustrated now trying to hold everything back,” he said. “Some things are allowed to happen and we can cut a lot of this stuff out and it’s not being cut out. I don’t know what else I can do about that.”

Back to my earlier post. RGIII and Mike Shanahan should be talking about all this behind closed doors. All the media should hear is we've talked and have it under control. The fact that they talk through the media drives a lot of this.

 

[Marvelous]

vein*

fixed

 

[fatness]

Back to my earlier post. RGIII and Mike Shanahan should be talking about all this behind closed doors. All the media should hear is we've talked and have it under control. The fact that they talk through the media drives a lot of this.

I agree. And I think Griffin sees it that way too now, which is what came across to me in those quotes.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Michael Wilbon's column when Shanahan was hired.

And it's not like we don't have a book on Shanahan the talent evaluator: He's bad at it. Like Joe Gibbs, Shanahan is one helluva coach but not particularly insightful as a talent evaluator. In fact, the record already shows Shanahan drafted bust after bust after bust in an effort to fix the defense when he was coach in Denver. Even Elvis Dumervil was drafted to play the wrong position and became an all-pro after Shanahan departed. Shanahan the personnel man undermined Shanahan the coach so badly, he was fired after twice not making the playoffs. So, moving from Denver to Washington is going to change all that?

I agree with most of that. I have long said that Shanny is a great coach, but it was no coincidence that his level of success went down in Denver after he got more power as far as personnel went. Shanny the GM is not very good, and it makes Shanny the coach look bad.

 

[fatness]

News organizations, including Comcast SportsNet, have called for their correspondents to be at Redskins Park early today. Beat reporters are waking up and starting to pen their “obituaries” for Shanahan’s Redskins’ tenure and researching potential head coaching replacements.

Shanahan is scheduled to meet with the media today at 3:00. If he continues to refuse to answer questions about yesterday’s controversy that has the potential to be one of the most awkward and/or fireworks-filled presser in recent times.

http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/business-usual-today-redskins-park