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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2013 Thread (1 Viewer)

I wouldn't say the holes are abundant on this team. We have our franchise LT, possible franchise QB, one of the best RBs in the league, a WR that is at/near the top in most receiving categories except TDs, a young talented TE, a young talented OLB, another OLB that is about to FA but could come back at the right price, and a young CB who seems to be improving (Amerson). I don't think the cupboard is nearly as bear as when Shanny took over. Sure we still need OL, LB, and DB help, but this team has some talent.
I agree. No "overhaul" needed. They aren't "one player away" either, though.

 
I wouldn't say the holes are abundant on this team. We have our franchise LT, possible franchise QB, one of the best RBs in the league, a WR that is at/near the top in most receiving categories except TDs, a young talented TE, a young talented OLB, another OLB that is about to FA but could come back at the right price, and a young CB who seems to be improving (Amerson). I don't think the cupboard is nearly as bear as when Shanny took over. Sure we still need OL, LB, and DB help, but this team has some talent.
I agree. No "overhaul" needed. They aren't "one player away" either, though.
It depends a bit on the next head coach brought in, and what offensive and defensive scheme's he'll run. A switch away from zone blocking makes the O-line pretty inadequate. A switch to a 4-3 makes the D-line stronger and the LB group very weak.

 
I wouldn't say the holes are abundant on this team. We have our franchise LT, possible franchise QB, one of the best RBs in the league, a WR that is at/near the top in most receiving categories except TDs, a young talented TE, a young talented OLB, another OLB that is about to FA but could come back at the right price, and a young CB who seems to be improving (Amerson). I don't think the cupboard is nearly as bear as when Shanny took over. Sure we still need OL, LB, and DB help, but this team has some talent.
I agree. No "overhaul" needed. They aren't "one player away" either, though.
Oh we're definitely not a player a way. But we aren't a total wreck either. Like I said, there are certainly pieces here to work with. And like Fatness said, alot will depend on what direction the defense goes in. I'm fine with sticking with a 3-4 and it looks like a really good 3-4 coach (Rex Ryan) may be available.

 
Michael Wilbon's column when Shanahan was hired.

And it's not like we don't have a book on Shanahan the talent evaluator: He's bad at it. Like Joe Gibbs, Shanahan is one helluva coach but not particularly insightful as a talent evaluator. In fact, the record already shows Shanahan drafted bust after bust after bust in an effort to fix the defense when he was coach in Denver. Even Elvis Dumervil was drafted to play the wrong position and became an all-pro after Shanahan departed. Shanahan the personnel man undermined Shanahan the coach so badly, he was fired after twice not making the playoffs. So, moving from Denver to Washington is going to change all that?
I agree with most of that. I have long said that Shanny is a great coach, but it was no coincidence that his level of success went down in Denver after he got more power as far as personnel went. Shanny the GM is not very good, and it makes Shanny the coach look bad.
I also think Shanahan is trying to run a dated offense. When it's on, it's great but it's too one dimensional and it's the wrong dimension. You can't succeed in today's NFL if your line can't pass block.

 
Mike Shanahan's Brilliant Last Act as Redskins Coach: Making Everyone Forget He Sucked

If you listened to the post game shows today, you wouldn’t know that Mike Shanahan has led his team to a 3-10 record. You wouldn’t know that his record as Redskins head coach is 24-37. You wouldn’t know that his roster, as constructed, is poor to put nicely and downright terrible and embarrassing to be blunt and honest.

You won’t know that his coaching staff is a mess. That the only reason defensive coordinator Jim Haslett still has a job was because, to get back into the NFL, he was willing to forgo autonomy to Mike Shanahan (meanwhile, the other candidate, Mike Zimmer, is coordinating one of the NFL’s top defenses). You wouldn’t know that Bob Slowik, a below average coach, was shoved into a role as linebacker coach, a role he’d never held before. You wouldn’t know that that the Redskins have had 3 wide receiver coaches in four years, none of whom had coaching experience, and in the case of Mike McDaniels, had only previously experiences coaching running backs.

You wouldn’t that Mike’s had complete control of the franchise for four years, with absolutely zero input from principal owner Daniel Snyder. That the team is constructed entirely of players he chose. That, though he was certainly screwed, he played a key role in the Redskins getting a $36 million dollar cap hit, in large part because he wanted to get in a pissing contest with Albert Haynesworth.

You wouldn’t know about the infamous Shanahan Doghouse, or the mediocre draft choices, or the offensive line that never seemed to get better, or the defense that, like so many Shanahan teams, couldn’t gain any traction, or the special teams unit disasters that span two coaches.

What you’ll hear a lot of in the next few days isn’t about Mike Shanahan’s failures as a head coach. Instead, you’ll hear about Dan Snyder and Robert Griffin III’s “relationship”.

By conveniently leaking info over the course of the last few weeks — about RG3?s insecurity, about Dan’s meddling — Mike Shanahan, effectively, found a way to absolve himself of any and all failure of the organization.
 
I wouldn't say the holes are abundant on this team. We have our franchise LT, possible franchise QB, one of the best RBs in the league, a WR that is at/near the top in most receiving categories except TDs, a young talented TE, a young talented OLB, another OLB that is about to FA but could come back at the right price, and a young CB who seems to be improving (Amerson). I don't think the cupboard is nearly as bear as when Shanny took over. Sure we still need OL, LB, and DB help, but this team has some talent.
I agree. No "overhaul" needed. They aren't "one player away" either, though.
Oh we're definitely not a player a way. But we aren't a total wreck either. Like I said, there are certainly pieces here to work with. And like Fatness said, alot will depend on what direction the defense goes in. I'm fine with sticking with a 3-4 and it looks like a really good 3-4 coach (Rex Ryan) may be available.
Trent Williams is the only O-lineman you don't try to replace this off season.

 
I wouldn't say the holes are abundant on this team. We have our franchise LT, possible franchise QB, one of the best RBs in the league, a WR that is at/near the top in most receiving categories except TDs, a young talented TE, a young talented OLB, another OLB that is about to FA but could come back at the right price, and a young CB who seems to be improving (Amerson). I don't think the cupboard is nearly as bear as when Shanny took over. Sure we still need OL, LB, and DB help, but this team has some talent.
I agree. No "overhaul" needed. They aren't "one player away" either, though.
It depends a bit on the next head coach brought in, and what offensive and defensive scheme's he'll run. A switch away from zone blocking makes the O-line pretty inadequate. A switch to a 4-3 makes the D-line stronger and the LB group very weak.
True, that could make a difference. But, following both Spurrier and Zorn (due to Cerrato), the roster simply lacked NFL talent. I think there are far more players on this roster worthy of being in the NFL than previous rosters, which truly needed an overhaul. Perhaps just semantics of what an "overhaul" implies.

 
I wouldn't say the holes are abundant on this team. We have our franchise LT, possible franchise QB, one of the best RBs in the league, a WR that is at/near the top in most receiving categories except TDs, a young talented TE, a young talented OLB, another OLB that is about to FA but could come back at the right price, and a young CB who seems to be improving (Amerson). I don't think the cupboard is nearly as bear as when Shanny took over. Sure we still need OL, LB, and DB help, but this team has some talent.
I agree. No "overhaul" needed. They aren't "one player away" either, though.
It depends a bit on the next head coach brought in, and what offensive and defensive scheme's he'll run. A switch away from zone blocking makes the O-line pretty inadequate. A switch to a 4-3 makes the D-line stronger and the LB group very weak.
True, that could make a difference. But, following both Spurrier and Zorn (due to Cerrato), the roster simply lacked NFL talent. I think there are far more players on this roster worthy of being in the NFL than previous rosters, which truly needed an overhaul. Perhaps just semantics of what an "overhaul" implies.
I'd like to hear 2 or 3 current NFL GM's evaluate the Redskins current roster.

 
Mike Shanahan's Brilliant Last Act as Redskins Coach: Making Everyone Forget He Sucked

If you listened to the post game shows today, you wouldn’t know that Mike Shanahan has led his team to a 3-10 record. You wouldn’t know that his record as Redskins head coach is 24-37. You wouldn’t know that his roster, as constructed, is poor to put nicely and downright terrible and embarrassing to be blunt and honest.You won’t know that his coaching staff is a mess. That the only reason defensive coordinator Jim Haslett still has a job was because, to get back into the NFL, he was willing to forgo autonomy to Mike Shanahan (meanwhile, the other candidate, Mike Zimmer, is coordinating one of the NFL’s top defenses). You wouldn’t know that Bob Slowik, a below average coach, was shoved into a role as linebacker coach, a role he’d never held before. You wouldn’t know that that the Redskins have had 3 wide receiver coaches in four years, none of whom had coaching experience, and in the case of Mike McDaniels, had only previously experiences coaching running backs.

You wouldn’t that Mike’s had complete control of the franchise for four years, with absolutely zero input from principal owner Daniel Snyder. That the team is constructed entirely of players he chose. That, though he was certainly screwed, he played a key role in the Redskins getting a $36 million dollar cap hit, in large part because he wanted to get in a pissing contest with Albert Haynesworth.

You wouldn’t know about the infamous Shanahan Doghouse, or the mediocre draft choices, or the offensive line that never seemed to get better, or the defense that, like so many Shanahan teams, couldn’t gain any traction, or the special teams unit disasters that span two coaches.

What you’ll hear a lot of in the next few days isn’t about Mike Shanahan’s failures as a head coach. Instead, you’ll hear about Dan Snyder and Robert Griffin III’s “relationship”.

By conveniently leaking info over the course of the last few weeks — about RG3?s insecurity, about Dan’s meddling — Mike Shanahan, effectively, found a way to absolve himself of any and all failure of the organization.
Spot on.

 
I wouldn't say the holes are abundant on this team. We have our franchise LT, possible franchise QB, one of the best RBs in the league, a WR that is at/near the top in most receiving categories except TDs, a young talented TE, a young talented OLB, another OLB that is about to FA but could come back at the right price, and a young CB who seems to be improving (Amerson). I don't think the cupboard is nearly as bear as when Shanny took over. Sure we still need OL, LB, and DB help, but this team has some talent.
I agree. No "overhaul" needed. They aren't "one player away" either, though.
Oh we're definitely not a player a way. But we aren't a total wreck either. Like I said, there are certainly pieces here to work with. And like Fatness said, alot will depend on what direction the defense goes in. I'm fine with sticking with a 3-4 and it looks like a really good 3-4 coach (Rex Ryan) may be available.
Trent Williams is the only O-lineman you don't try to replace this off season.
Agreed. Rest of the OL needs work. Lichtenstager is alright if they wanted to keep him around for depth or something. But the rest of the OL can go.

 
I wouldn't say the holes are abundant on this team. We have our franchise LT, possible franchise QB, one of the best RBs in the league, a WR that is at/near the top in most receiving categories except TDs, a young talented TE, a young talented OLB, another OLB that is about to FA but could come back at the right price, and a young CB who seems to be improving (Amerson). I don't think the cupboard is nearly as bear as when Shanny took over. Sure we still need OL, LB, and DB help, but this team has some talent.
I agree. No "overhaul" needed. They aren't "one player away" either, though.
It depends a bit on the next head coach brought in, and what offensive and defensive scheme's he'll run. A switch away from zone blocking makes the O-line pretty inadequate. A switch to a 4-3 makes the D-line stronger and the LB group very weak.
True, that could make a difference. But, following both Spurrier and Zorn (due to Cerrato), the roster simply lacked NFL talent. I think there are far more players on this roster worthy of being in the NFL than previous rosters, which truly needed an overhaul. Perhaps just semantics of what an "overhaul" implies.
I'd like to hear 2 or 3 current NFL GM's evaluate the Redskins current roster.
Why, when you have a talent evaluator like me?

But seriously, the no-brainer starting-caliber players are:

Griffin

Morris

Williams

Garcon

I think Young and Reed are possibly in that group, too.

On defense:

Coefield

Hall (yes, seriously)

Orakpo

Kerrigan

I, personally, think Merriweather is talented enough to be considered in that group, but I understand he has issues.

Those are the guys who I think are no-brainers and any GM would agree. There might be others like Riley, Carricker, and maybe Amerson is on his way.

I think this team is lacking coaching and leadership more than NFL talent.

 
Griffin on being replaced by Cousins

"It was tough," Griffin said. "I understood. You don’t fight that. As a competitor, you don’t care what’s going on on the field or what the score is of the game. You want to finish the game with your guys. That was tough, but I understood. You still have to sit there and do everything you can to help Kirk Cousins [go] out there to perform, move the ball and score. I thought I would try to do that effectively."
 
Whoa

The Washington Redskins were sorting through their options Monday regarding Coach Mike Shanahan and one of the possibilities is firing Shanahan for cause and attempting to withhold the money due to him for the remainder of his contract, according to multiple people familiar with the situation.

One person familiar with the matter said it was not clear what the team would do and added it was not certain the Redskins would take that approach even if they decide to dismiss Shanahan. According to this person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic, there were “a number of things on the table.”

Several people with knowledge of the situation agreed it is likely that Shanahan and the Redskins will part ways by the end of the season, at the latest. The major remaining uncertainty, these people said, is how and when the divorce between Shanahan and the team will be crafted.
But if the Redskins fire him for cause, they could contend that Shanahan violated his contract and therefore forfeited his right to the money due to him under the deal, according to those people with knowledge of the matter. The Redskins likely would contend that Shanahan was involved in the dissemination of a report Sunday by ESPN that he considered quitting his job after last season because of the relationship between team owner Daniel Snyder and quarterback Robert Griffin III, according to those people.

Shanahan would have the ability to challenge such a tactic by the Redskins via a grievance. One person familiar with NFL legal matters said he didn’t know if the Redskins would take such an approach with Shanahan but they would face a difficult task in proving such a case.

Another person familiar with the matter said the Redskins could take such an approach in a bid to create some leverage in dealings with Shanahan and then attempt to negotiate a settlement with him. That person said it’s also possible that the Redskins instead will keep Shanahan for the remainder of the season and try to wait him out, seeing if he will resign and free the team from the obligation of paying him for next season.

“It could become a stare-down over the money,” said this person, who added that team officials were being guarded Monday about what they would do.
 
Yeah, that's what I've assumed is happening. While Snyder and Allen have the responsibility to do what's best for the future of the franchise, I don't think they like the idea of playing into Shanahan's game and basically giving him what he wants. I think Snyder wants to take the time to figure out if he can fire him with cause. As long as it doesn't drag on too long, I think that's the right approach.

 
Whoa

The Washington Redskins were sorting through their options Monday regarding Coach Mike Shanahan and one of the possibilities is firing Shanahan for cause and attempting to withhold the money due to him for the remainder of his contract, according to multiple people familiar with the situation.

One person familiar with the matter said it was not clear what the team would do and added it was not certain the Redskins would take that approach even if they decide to dismiss Shanahan. According to this person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic, there were “a number of things on the table.”

Several people with knowledge of the situation agreed it is likely that Shanahan and the Redskins will part ways by the end of the season, at the latest. The major remaining uncertainty, these people said, is how and when the divorce between Shanahan and the team will be crafted.
But if the Redskins fire him for cause, they could contend that Shanahan violated his contract and therefore forfeited his right to the money due to him under the deal, according to those people with knowledge of the matter. The Redskins likely would contend that Shanahan was involved in the dissemination of a report Sunday by ESPN that he considered quitting his job after last season because of the relationship between team owner Daniel Snyder and quarterback Robert Griffin III, according to those people.

Shanahan would have the ability to challenge such a tactic by the Redskins via a grievance. One person familiar with NFL legal matters said he didn’t know if the Redskins would take such an approach with Shanahan but they would face a difficult task in proving such a case.

Another person familiar with the matter said the Redskins could take such an approach in a bid to create some leverage in dealings with Shanahan and then attempt to negotiate a settlement with him. That person said it’s also possible that the Redskins instead will keep Shanahan for the remainder of the season and try to wait him out, seeing if he will resign and free the team from the obligation of paying him for next season.

“It could become a stare-down over the money,” said this person, who added that team officials were being guarded Monday about what they would do.
Please let this happen. :lmao:

Czabe actually called for this on twitter this morning. Go Al Davis on Shanahan...overhead projector optional. :lmao:

 
Yeah, that's what I've assumed is happening. While Snyder and Allen have the responsibility to do what's best for the future of the franchise, I don't think they like the idea of playing into Shanahan's game and basically giving him what he wants. I think Snyder wants to take the time to figure out if he can fire him with cause. As long as it doesn't drag on too long, I think that's the right approach.
I agree. I hope there's some way that the front office can communicate to the players "hang in there, we value you, we'll sort this out, go play hard".

 
Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 1h

Last year, #Redskins had 6,131 yards (383.2) of offense. This year? 4,891 yards in 13 games (376.2). A 7.0 YPG difference. 14 TO's vs. 22 TO
Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 1h

The #Redskins have scored 244 offensive points (the number that actually matters) which is an average of 18.76 points per game.
Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 58m

On defense, the #Redskins have allowed a true 358 points (seven return TD's via ST's & Offense) for a average of 27.5 PPG allowed by DEF.
Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 55m

So, 18.76 true offensive points per game scored vs 27.5 true defensive points per game allowed for difference of 8.77 PPG. YIKES.
The amazing thing to me there isn't the numbers. It's that a Redskin beat reporter and "expert" and "insider" is just discovering all that now. That's what happens when good reporters get hired by Redskin-run media ---- they stop reporting and investigating.

 
The real problem that is likely to cost Mike Shanahan his job is the fact that in Year 4 of his coaching tenure the Redskins are one of the worst teams in the NFL. There are issues on offense, defense, and special teams. And there will be plenty of time to delve into each of those areas in detail when the season is over. But let’s take a quick look at the bottom line—point scored and given up.

The Redskins have been outscored by 128 points this season, a margin of 9.8 points per game. Only the Jacksonville Jaguars have been outscored by more points (171) and they have a better record.

They haven’t been very good scoring points (279, 21.5/game, 23rd in the NFL). But where they have had major issues giving up points. They have given up 407 points (31.3/game), worst in the NFL.

It should be noted that points allowed is not all on the defense. As we saw against the Chiefs yesterday special teams have a good amount of responsibility as well. And the Redskins offense not operating at anywhere near peak efficiency is not helping field position. Neither are the 22 turnovers.

If it doesn’t improve in the final three games, their point differential will be the team’s worst since the 1970 merger. Things were supposed to be much better now than they were under Jim Zorn, Shanahan’s predecessor. But in his two seasons the Redskins were outscored by 31 and 70 points (h/t @nathanfenno). You can do the math and compare it to this year’s performance
Rich Tandler

 
John Keim on the coaching/management issue. Keim's consistently been one of the best, if not the best, Redskin reporter.

  1. It's not a slam dunk that Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder will fire coach Mike Shanahan on Monday or even before the end of the season. I texted with one coach who said everything was normal as of late morning. Not saying it couldn't happen at any time because it is obviously being strongly discussed, but there are a lot of factors to consider, such as how much money must be paid out to Shanahan or any of his assistants (it would be a lot) and whether, as the Washington Post's Mark Maske reported, they can fire him with cause. If that's the case, then Snyder could do this without a financial burden. When lawyers get involved, the process slows. It's also a reason to believe it would happen sooner rather than later. But even if Snyder can't fire without cause, the process has started. No beat reporter will venture far from their phone until this situation is resolved.
  2. It's also clear Snyder was not prepared to make any move before the season ended. I heard Snyder was bewildered by the ESPN.com report that said Shanahan was ready to quit after last season. Snyder understands his image around the country, and in the profession, and was content with letting the season play out and then making a decision. The last thing he wanted to do, from what I was told, was make an emotional decision. In the past, the Redskins were a Fire-Aim-Ready organization, making impetuous moves (see: Lewis, Sherman). If they had fired Shanahan last night or after the game, that's exactly what this move would have felt like, an emotional one without a legitimate plan.
  3. The other factor is who would take over as an interim coach. Jim Haslett said earlier this season that he regretted serving as the St. Louis Rams' interim coach in 2008. Raheem Morris also was a head coach and could handle the role, but does he want to? If the Redskins finished strong, the extra effort could start to repair his reputation after his stint in Tampa Bay. But it's a risk because if they don't finish well -- in other words, if they play like they have for 13 weeks -- then it won't help Morris. He can recover, but a strong finish would help.
  4. What if Shanahan announces Monday that he plans on starting Kirk Cousins on Sunday? I can't imagine that sitting well with Snyder and it comes across as a parting shot from Shanahan. But with the process of firing him already in serious discussions, I don't know that any one move in particular would be the final act, though this would qualify. It's not about Snyder's relationship with Robert Griffin III, it's about knowing the importance of the second-year quarterback to the future of the organization.
  5. When you talk to people close to Griffin, it's clear he is tired of how his relationship with Snyder has been portrayed, that they're not as close as the stories suggest and don't talk often, especially during the season. Snyder was knocked in the past for chummy relationships with players; it created a hierarchy that others in the locker room did not like at all. Snyder hasn't created a winning organization and he has done a lot that can be criticized because he has presided over seven 10-loss seasons and only three 10-win seasons. Maybe he never builds one. But in this case, he has done what Shanahan wants in terms of building the bubble and moving camp to Richmond, among other moves. And it's safe to say Griffin also knows that, fair or not, any move involving Shanahan will stain him in the short term (and if they hire Art Briles, it will do so even more, a lot more). It's also true that the other young players on the roster are having a tough time with all the stories and distractions. The veterans? They've seen worse.
 
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Well unless Richie Rich pulls a firing that Vince McMahon would say DAMN then he is going to have his press conference.

Get ready Shanny. if you thought Boswell was too tough wait to you get a load of the next hour or two.

 
Well unless Richie Rich pulls a firing that Vince McMahon would say DAMN then he is going to have his press conference.

Get ready Shanny. if you thought Boswell was too tough wait to you get a load of the next hour or two.
Lol I was hoping in the middle of Shanny's presser, we'd hear over the loud speaker "No Chance in Hell" playing and Snyder struts out of the back of the crowd. Grabs then mic and tells Shanny he's fired. Would just make my day. Would only be better if Good Ol JR was doing the commentating, "OH MY GOD! THAT'S DAN SNYDER'S MUSIC!"

 
Just like yesterday's press conference, I think today's will be a bit of a let down. Shanahan is going to say nothing about any of this.

 
Actually, could be exciting if he announces Cousins the starter or at least continues with the "We'll discuss that later" approach.

 
Not naming a starter for Atlanta yet because of all the sacks recently. Said he'll discuss more in a couple days.

 
When asked about the pre-game report, "No commit about report, there is a whole lot of noise when you are 3-10," - Mike Shanahan

 
Mike says, only reason why hesitant to start RGIII, taken 24 sacks in last 5 games...playing NYG & DAL who had 8 sacks vs us and added that playing on turf for both. Also said we just played a team that had 2 sacks in the past weeks, but had 6 sacks vs us. Said we need our franchise QB to be healthy for the entire off-season.

 
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So he might bench Griffin the rest of the season in order to keep him healthy for next year. Your move, Snyder.

 
Did that dude ask if Shanny was trying to get fired?
No, but did ask if he wanted to be here next year. Said yes, he loves the players and wants to return. He said that him and Dan will talk at season's end and he will share his opinions and is sure Dan will make a decision in the best interest of the Washington Redskins.

 
So if Griffin doesn't start this weekend, it means he's being shutdown (Strasburg-style, I guess). I assume that means he'll be inactive and Rex Grossman will be active as QB2.

 
These ####### #######s ran Griffin into the ground vs. the Giants, and NOW he's worried about his health for the rest of the season?

Yeah ####### right. This is just his last move. "I'm benching your franchise QB Danny, only thing you can do to stop this circus is fire me".

He's playing chicken.

 
pghSkinsFan ‏@RockyPinnick 3m
Shanny potential benching rg3 . Straight gangsta
Brent Sower ‏@thebrowncoat 4m
The mark of a model team: when the coach holds the franchise QB hostage to dare the owner to fire him
Gary Fitzgerald ‏@GaryRFitzgerald 4m
Mike Shanahan announces in press conf. he may "shut down" #RGIII rest of season, but hasn't spoken to him about it yet?!? Oh my.
 

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