***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

[duaneok66]

I don't like Jackson, but the market will give him more than a one year deal.

The Skins are fine with Garcon, Roberts and Reed. Do they need another receiver? Sure? But add one in the draft. There are plenty of decent ones, even in the middle rounds.

 

[duaneok66]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.

A guy in the 3rd to match what Jackson can do? Seriously, WTH? We will be lucky if even 1 WR from this draft amounts to the type of player Jackson is. He's a bonafied star with WR1 ability and one of the most dangerous deep threats in the NFL today. These guys don't grow on trees and rolling the dice with a rookie vs. the proven commodity is just foolish.

a proven commodity with several issues. RG3 doesn't need a guy that skips meetings and balks when the OC/Coach wants him to do new things.

 

[dehaven123]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.

A guy in the 3rd to match what Jackson can do? Seriously, WTH? We will be lucky if even 1 WR from this draft amounts to the type of player Jackson is. He's a bonafied star with WR1 ability and one of the most dangerous deep threats in the NFL today. These guys don't grow on trees and rolling the dice with a rookie vs. the proven commodity is just foolish.

we see different qualities in desean, you see all the good, i see the good and the bad. im not going to write all the negative things i said about desean again, its up above in the thread somewhere. its convenient to dismiss the costs when discussiing a situation like this. juice aint worth the squeeze.

 

[dehaven123]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.

A guy in the 3rd to match what Jackson can do? Seriously, WTH? We will be lucky if even 1 WR from this draft amounts to the type of player Jackson is. He's a bonafied star with WR1 ability and one of the most dangerous deep threats in the NFL today. These guys don't grow on trees and rolling the dice with a rookie vs. the proven commodity is just foolish.

a proven commodity with several issues. RG3 doesn't need a guy that skips meetings and balks when the OC/Coach wants him to do new things.

but he's one of the most dangerous deep threats in the nfl today! he's dangerous alright, dangerous to a locker room, esp a young locker room with an uproven coach.

 

[jurb26]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.

A guy in the 3rd to match what Jackson can do? Seriously, WTH? We will be lucky if even 1 WR from this draft amounts to the type of player Jackson is. He's a bonafied star with WR1 ability and one of the most dangerous deep threats in the NFL today. These guys don't grow on trees and rolling the dice with a rookie vs. the proven commodity is just foolish.

we see different qualities in desean, you see all the good, i see the good and the bad. im not going to write all the negative things i said about desean again, its up above in the thread somewhere. its convenient to dismiss the costs when discussiing a situation like this. juice aint worth the squeeze.

I don't only see the good. I just don't I assume things we don't have proof of.

 

[dehaven123]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.

A guy in the 3rd to match what Jackson can do? Seriously, WTH? We will be lucky if even 1 WR from this draft amounts to the type of player Jackson is. He's a bonafied star with WR1 ability and one of the most dangerous deep threats in the NFL today. These guys don't grow on trees and rolling the dice with a rookie vs. the proven commodity is just foolish.

we see different qualities in desean, you see all the good, i see the good and the bad. im not going to write all the negative things i said about desean again, its up above in the thread somewhere. its convenient to dismiss the costs when discussiing a situation like this. juice aint worth the squeeze.

I don't only see the good. I just don't I assume things we don't have proof of.

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

 

[jurb26]

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

Positive;Highly productive player coming off a career

In the prime of his career

One of the most deadly deep threats in the NFL

Ability to play as a WR1

3 time Pro Bowl selection

Negative;

Checkered past led to drop in draft value

Primaddona attitude that can be distracting

Has missed meetings and practice in the past

 

[dehaven123]

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

Positive;Highly productive player coming off a career

In the prime of his career

One of the most deadly deep threats in the NFL

Ability to play as a WR1

Negative;

Checkered past led to drop in draft value

Primaddona attitude that can be distracting

Has missed meetings and practice in the past

what about the gang sign pictures? positive or negative.

what about hanging around with known gangbangers? positive or negative.

 

[jurb26]

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

Positive;Highly productive player coming off a career

In the prime of his career

One of the most deadly deep threats in the NFL

Ability to play as a WR1

Negative;

Checkered past led to drop in draft value

Primaddona attitude that can be distracting

Has missed meetings and practice in the past

what about the gang sign pictures? positive or negative.

what about hanging around with known gangbangers? positive or negative.

What about the LAPD stating they don't think he's involved in gangs?

 

[dehaven123]

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

Positive;Highly productive player coming off a career

In the prime of his career

One of the most deadly deep threats in the NFL

Ability to play as a WR1

Negative;

Checkered past led to drop in draft value

Primaddona attitude that can be distracting

Has missed meetings and practice in the past

what about the gang sign pictures? positive or negative.

what about hanging around with known gangbangers? positive or negative.

What about the LAPD stating they don't think he's involved in gangs?

you made the point about adressing what there is proof of, not me.

there are pictures of him throwing gang signs(including in games, against the skins i might add), and there are pictures of him hanging withknown gang members, throwing signs. its ok if you want to dismiss it, i have no problem with that, its your right, im just curious how you see those things, being there is proof they exist. positive or negative.

with that said, your resposne dos speak to about how you feel about it already. answering the question with a question the way you did says pretty much how you feel.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

Positive;Highly productive player coming off a career

In the prime of his career

One of the most deadly deep threats in the NFL

Ability to play as a WR1

Negative;

Checkered past led to drop in draft value

Primaddona attitude that can be distracting

Has missed meetings and practice in the past

what about the gang sign pictures? positive or negative.

what about hanging around with known gangbangers? positive or negative.

What about the LAPD stating they don't think he's involved in gangs?

you made the point about adressing what there is proof of, not me.

there are pictures of him throwing gang signs(including in games, against the skins i might add), and there are pictures of him hanging withknown gang members, throwing signs. its ok if you want to dismiss it, i have no problem with that, its your right, im just curious how you see those things, being there is proof they exist. positive or negative.

with that said, your resposne dos speak to about how you feel about it already. answering the question with a question the way you did says pretty much how you feel.

Uhhh, he's not hanging with gang members...he has a record label and a few of the artists have gang affiliations. Not saying he's squeaky clean, but there is a difference than some dude just hanging with gang members. Let's put it in the right perspective.

 

[dehaven123]

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

Positive;Highly productive player coming off a career

In the prime of his career

One of the most deadly deep threats in the NFL

Ability to play as a WR1

3 time Pro Bowl selection

Negative;

Checkered past led to drop in draft value

Primaddona attitude that can be distracting

Has missed meetings and practice in the past

id also add this to negatives. he always seems to think his value is greater than it should be, cost wise. think he's a salary cap killer, too. that's another negative that i feel there's enough proof of.

 

[dehaven123]

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

Positive;Highly productive player coming off a career

In the prime of his career

One of the most deadly deep threats in the NFL

Ability to play as a WR1

Negative;

Checkered past led to drop in draft value

Primaddona attitude that can be distracting

Has missed meetings and practice in the past

what about the gang sign pictures? positive or negative.

what about hanging around with known gangbangers? positive or negative.

What about the LAPD stating they don't think he's involved in gangs?

you made the point about adressing what there is proof of, not me.

there are pictures of him throwing gang signs(including in games, against the skins i might add), and there are pictures of him hanging withknown gang members, throwing signs. its ok if you want to dismiss it, i have no problem with that, its your right, im just curious how you see those things, being there is proof they exist. positive or negative.

with that said, your resposne dos speak to about how you feel about it already. answering the question with a question the way you did says pretty much how you feel.

Uhhh, he's not hanging with gang members...he has a record label and a few of the artists have gang affiliations. Not saying he's squeaky clean, but there is a difference than some dude just hanging with gang members. Let's put it in the right perspective.

fair enough. how would you explain the throwing of gang signs then? just a misguided form of expression?

 

[killing joke]

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

Positive;Highly productive player coming off a career

In the prime of his career

One of the most deadly deep threats in the NFL

Ability to play as a WR1

Negative;

Checkered past led to drop in draft value

Primaddona attitude that can be distracting

Has missed meetings and practice in the past

what about the gang sign pictures? positive or negative.

what about hanging around with known gangbangers? positive or negative.

What about the LAPD stating they don't think he's involved in gangs?

LAPD = biggest gang in LA

 

[jurb26]

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

Positive;Highly productive player coming off a career

In the prime of his career

One of the most deadly deep threats in the NFL

Ability to play as a WR1

Negative;

Checkered past led to drop in draft value

Primaddona attitude that can be distracting

Has missed meetings and practice in the past

what about the gang sign pictures? positive or negative.

what about hanging around with known gangbangers? positive or negative.

What about the LAPD stating they don't think he's involved in gangs?

you made the point about adressing what there is proof of, not me.

there are pictures of him throwing gang signs(including in games, against the skins i might add), and there are pictures of him hanging withknown gang members, throwing signs. its ok if you want to dismiss it, i have no problem with that, its your right, im just curious how you see those things, being there is proof they exist. positive or negative.

with that said, your resposne dos speak to about how you feel about it already. answering the question with a question the way you did says pretty much how you feel.

Uhhh, he's not hanging with gang members...he has a record label and a few of the artists have gang affiliations. Not saying he's squeaky clean, but there is a difference than some dude just hanging with gang members. Let's put it in the right perspective.

fair enough. how would you explain the throwing of gang signs then? just a misguided form of expression?

How do you know those are or were intended to be gang signs? I've not seen anyone who confirms that.

 

[dehaven123]

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

Positive;Highly productive player coming off a career

In the prime of his career

One of the most deadly deep threats in the NFL

Ability to play as a WR1

Negative;

Checkered past led to drop in draft value

Primaddona attitude that can be distracting

Has missed meetings and practice in the past

what about the gang sign pictures? positive or negative.

what about hanging around with known gangbangers? positive or negative.

What about the LAPD stating they don't think he's involved in gangs?

you made the point about adressing what there is proof of, not me.

there are pictures of him throwing gang signs(including in games, against the skins i might add), and there are pictures of him hanging withknown gang members, throwing signs. its ok if you want to dismiss it, i have no problem with that, its your right, im just curious how you see those things, being there is proof they exist. positive or negative.

with that said, your resposne dos speak to about how you feel about it already. answering the question with a question the way you did says pretty much how you feel.

Uhhh, he's not hanging with gang members...he has a record label and a few of the artists have gang affiliations. Not saying he's squeaky clean, but there is a difference than some dude just hanging with gang members. Let's put it in the right perspective.

fair enough. how would you explain the throwing of gang signs then? just a misguided form of expression?

How do you know those are or were intended to be gang signs? I've not seen anyone who confirms that.

wow. ok. the conversation is going on in the desean jackson thread, as it should be i suppose. it does include some of you participating already. no need to bog this down more here.

(for those that haven't seen some of the stuff out there and may be interested)

http://fansided.com/2014/03/28/desean-jackson-threw-gang-signs-monday-night-football/

http://www.tmz.com/2014/03/10/desean-jackson-throwin-gang-signs-rapper-nipsey-hussle/

fact is, there are a myriad of good observations and points being made in that thread that should scare the hell out of any team and its fanbase. the potential gang tie thing is a small part of the equation.

 

[Ted Mullins]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.

This is a fair point, I'd definitely prefer if Desean was 6'4 but ultimately we have to work with what we have available. I am going off the assumption that the Skins will do their due diligence on the off field stuff before they make an offer. With the way we have not changed much of anything with the roster, it seems as if the front office thinks last year was fluky and because of the Shanahans and this team is the same one that made a run in 2012 - they probably think we are only a few pieces away from competing and Desean is someone who can contribute now and is at a discount.

As far as price/cap number, I'd like to see something like $5-6M/year cap hit, but my guess is it is something more like $6-8M that gets it done - it's hard to guess without knowing what the actual sentiment around the league is though. His price and the number of suitors depends on if the perception is that he is another potential Hernandez, or if the perception is that Chip didn't like him and this stuff was an easy out for them. It is noteworthy that no one traded for him, but at the same time if you think the Eagles are just going to cut him and you can give up nothing and get a more team friendly deal, that's much more attractive.

 

[jurb26]

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

Positive;

Highly productive player coming off a career

In the prime of his career

One of the most deadly deep threats in the NFL

Ability to play as a WR1

Negative;

Checkered past led to drop in draft value

Primaddona attitude that can be distracting

Has missed meetings and practice in the past

what about the gang sign pictures? positive or negative.

what about hanging around with known gangbangers? positive or negative.

What about the LAPD stating they don't think he's involved in gangs?

you made the point about adressing what there is proof of, not me.

there are pictures of him throwing gang signs(including in games, against the skins i might add), and there are pictures of him hanging withknown gang members, throwing signs. its ok if you want to dismiss it, i have no problem with that, its your right, im just curious how you see those things, being there is proof they exist. positive or negative.

with that said, your resposne dos speak to about how you feel about it already. answering the question with a question the way you did says pretty much how you feel.

Uhhh, he's not hanging with gang members...he has a record label and a few of the artists have gang affiliations. Not saying he's squeaky clean, but there is a difference than some dude just hanging with gang members. Let's put it in the right perspective.

fair enough. how would you explain the throwing of gang signs then? just a misguided form of expression?

How do you know those are or were intended to be gang signs? I've not seen anyone who confirms that.

wow. ok. the conversation is going on in the desean jackson thread, as it should be i suppose. it does include some of you participating already. no need to bog this down more here.

(for those that haven't seen some of the stuff out there and may be interested)

http://fansided.com/2014/03/28/desean-jackson-threw-gang-signs-monday-night-football/

http://www.tmz.com/2014/03/10/desean-jackson-throwin-gang-signs-rapper-nipsey-hussle/

Yeah, this is exactly the kind of stuff that I think is misleading.

that's an interesting position. what has there been proof of, in your mind? positive and negative.

Positive;

Highly productive player coming off a career

In the prime of his career

One of the most deadly deep threats in the NFL

Ability to play as a WR1

Negative;

Checkered past led to drop in draft value

Primaddona attitude that can be distracting

Has missed meetings and practice in the past

what about the gang sign pictures? positive or negative.

what about hanging around with known gangbangers? positive or negative.

What about the LAPD stating they don't think he's involved in gangs?

you made the point about adressing what there is proof of, not me.

there are pictures of him throwing gang signs(including in games, against the skins i might add), and there are pictures of him hanging withknown gang members, throwing signs. its ok if you want to dismiss it, i have no problem with that, its your right, im just curious how you see those things, being there is proof they exist. positive or negative.

with that said, your resposne dos speak to about how you feel about it already. answering the question with a question the way you did says pretty much how you feel.

Uhhh, he's not hanging with gang members...he has a record label and a few of the artists have gang affiliations. Not saying he's squeaky clean, but there is a difference than some dude just hanging with gang members. Let's put it in the right perspective.

fair enough. how would you explain the throwing of gang signs then? just a misguided form of expression?

How do you know those are or were intended to be gang signs? I've not seen anyone who confirms that.

wow. ok. the conversation is going on in the desean jackson thread, as it should be i suppose. it does include some of you participating already. no need to bog this down more here.

(for those that haven't seen some of the stuff out there and may be interested)

http://fansided.com/2014/03/28/desean-jackson-threw-gang-signs-monday-night-football/

http://www.tmz.com/2014/03/10/desean-jackson-throwin-gang-signs-rapper-nipsey-hussle/

Yeah, I can post links to pointless and baseless articles too.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/03/28/photos-desean-jackson-throwing-gang-signs/

http://deadspin.com/two-former-players-have-desean-jacksons-back-1553870080

You seem intent on believing Jackson is in a gang and that these are gang signs. Fine. I'm not convinced about that yet and want to gather more information before making that assumption.

 

[dehaven123]

wow. ok. the conversation is going on in the desean jackson thread, as it should be i suppose. it does include some of you participating already. no need to bog this down more here.
(for those that haven't seen some of the stuff out there and may be interested)
http://fansided.com/2014/03/28/desean-jackson-threw-gang-signs-monday-night-football/
http://www.tmz.com/2014/03/10/desean-jackson-throwin-gang-signs-rapper-nipsey-hussle/

Yeah, I can post links to pointless and baseless articles too.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/03/28/photos-desean-jackson-throwing-gang-signs/

http://deadspin.com/two-former-players-have-desean-jacksons-back-1553870080

You seem intent on believing Jackson is in a gang and that these are gang signs. Fine. I'm not convinced about that yet and want to gather more information before making that assumption.i never said he was in a gang, just that that aspect of what is becoming a comprehensive picture was the most concerning. its just a small part of a picture that looks very ugly. there are a ton of good points being made about why any fan of their team should be scared like to hell of bringing him in.

ive read your posts over there, too. i see your position very clearly.

 

[jurb26]

Again, I've never said Jackson comes with no concerns. I've said pretty clearly he had character concerns and teams should do their due diligence in sorting thru it. I simply don't agree with the extremes many in these threads and the media have taken it without any real context.

 

[dehaven123]

Again, I've never said Jackson comes with no concerns. I've said pretty clearly he had character concerns and teams should do their due diligence in sorting thru it. I simply don't agree with the extremes many in these threads and the media have taken it without any real context.

it has nothing to do with extremes. there's plenty of context, you've choosen to dismiss it or minimize it. that's ok, nothing wrong with that personal position.

 

[Meast21]

I see this as a minor story if not for Aaron Hernandez and the media is running with it.

Personally I never liked DeSean based on his ego, Chip Kelly apparently agrees, but he's exactly what this offense has been missing. From what I've read he sounds interested in DC as well. I'm onboard if it's in the 6-8 mill range and the contract has clear verbiage that we can release him, with no money lost, if he does in fact get in trouble.

 

[Ted Mullins]

I see this as a minor story if not for Aaron Hernandez and the media is running with it.

Personally I never liked DeSean based on his ego, Chip Kelly apparently agrees, but he's exactly what this offense has been missing. From what I've read he sounds interested in DC as well. I'm onboard if it's in the 6-8 mill range and the contract has clear verbiage that we can release him, with no money lost, if he does in fact get in trouble.

That's what it is sounding like to me too. I was a little taken aback when I read the story that mentioned the two murders but everything I am reading since then says it wasn't news to the Eagles or much of the rest of the league and it was convenient timing for the cut. I think Chip has faith that he can make the offense work regardless and wants to spend on defense - I actually think there is a decent chance he is right but we will see.

 

[Marvelous]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.

A guy in the 3rd to match what Jackson can do? Seriously, WTH? We will be lucky if even 1 WR from this draft amounts to the type of player Jackson is. He's a bonafied star with WR1 ability and one of the most dangerous deep threats in the NFL today. These guys don't grow on trees and rolling the dice with a rookie vs. the proven commodity is just foolish.

We drafted Leonard Hankerson in the 3rd round a few years ago to be precisely this type of WR. No one should assume a 3rd round pick is going to turn into a superstar.

 

[fatness]

If we're the only ones bidding on his services you would think we could get him for 5-6 million per year. Especially considering no one else is really lining up for him.

That's the thing --- nobody knows who's going to offer him a contract.

I don't know what the timeline will be, but I'd expect at least 4 teams to make him offers. No way Wash up would bid on him alone.

That depends on what teams are finding when they are investigating djaxs alleged involvement with these gangs.

If you have read the "recent" reports, they are all re-airings of things from years ago, things many teams were aware of. There is nothing new that came out in the "recent" report on nj.com.

Obviously teams are going to investigate to see if there's anything since that time, to protect themselves.

But there was nothing new in the "recent" report.

 

[fatness]

You guys wouldn't be happy with say a 7M, one year prove it contract? Seems like that would be an ideal situation for Wash or any other team looking to sign him.

If not all of it is guaranteed, and if how it impacted what they want to do at other positions wasn't hurt much (in other words, if all it does is prevent them from signing 3 more below-average ILB backups), I don't see the problem with a prove-it contact like that. I think less than $7 million will do it.

 

[fatness]

2m, with losts of strings attached. but if it did happen, he'd be pissy and cause a ruckuss, while dividing the locker room, w/i 2yrs. the past is always the best indicator of the future.

So you favor offering him a contact that you feel sure will make him a problem in the locker room? That doesn't sound like a football decision. That sounds like using a contract to prove personal views.

 

[fatness]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore?

Name all the big bodies the Redskins have signed since Shanahan was here who've been successful WR2's or WR1's.

The idea is to have receivers who get open and catch the ball.

 

[fatness]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.

A guy in the 3rd to match what Jackson can do? Seriously, WTH? We will be lucky if even 1 WR from this draft amounts to the type of player Jackson is. He's a bonafied star with WR1 ability and one of the most dangerous deep threats in the NFL today. These guys don't grow on trees and rolling the dice with a rookie vs. the proven commodity is just foolish.

You're right.

 

[dehaven123]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.

A guy in the 3rd to match what Jackson can do? Seriously, WTH? We will be lucky if even 1 WR from this draft amounts to the type of player Jackson is. He's a bonafied star with WR1 ability and one of the most dangerous deep threats in the NFL today. These guys don't grow on trees and rolling the dice with a rookie vs. the proven commodity is just foolish.

We drafted Leonard Hankerson in the 3rd round a few years ago to be precisely this type of WR. No one should assume a 3rd round pick is going to turn into a superstar.

the skins drafted gardner in the 1st, even traded to get desmond in the 1st. no reason to assume anything about any draft pick. i dont think its illogical to draft at the WR position, especially as compared to desean.

 

[dehaven123]

2m, with losts of strings attached. but if it did happen, he'd be pissy and cause a ruckuss, while dividing the locker room, w/i 2yrs. the past is always the best indicator of the future.

So you favor offering him a contact that you feel sure will make him a problem in the locker room? That doesn't sound like a football decision. That sounds like using a contract to prove personal views.

he wont sign for $2M, though that's commensurate to what i believe his value should be, relative to the risk. that answered the question. less committment, easier to cut ties when the inevitable happens. im sure he'll get more, i just hope it isn't here.

 

[dehaven123]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore?

Name all the big bodies the Redskins have signed since Shanahan was here who've been successful WR2's or WR1's.

The idea is to have receivers who get open and catch the ball.

there are not many, if any at all. so your not one of the many fans who for yrs have been calling for a viable redzone target? got it.

you just want guys who 'can get open and catch the ball'. noted.

 

[fatness]

Last year Jackson had 126 targets, 82 receptions, 1332 yards, 16.2 YPC, and 9 TD.

Garcon had 113 receptions, 1346 yards, 11.9 YPC, 5 TD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeSean_Jackson#Career_Stats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Gar%C3%A7on#Professional_Statistics

Receivers who get open and catch the ball as show above.

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore?

Name all the big bodies the Redskins have signed since Shanahan was here who've been successful WR2's or WR1's.

The idea is to have receivers who get open and catch the ball.

there are not many, if any at all. so your not one of the many fans who for yrs have been calling for a viable redzone target? got it.

you just want guys who 'can get open and catch the ball'. noted.

 

[dehaven123]

Last year Jackson had 126 targets, 82 receptions, 1332 yards, 16.2 YPC, and 9 TD.

Garcon had 113 receptions, 1346 yards, 11.9 YPC, 5 TD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeSean_Jackson#Career_Stats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Gar%C3%A7on#Professional_Statistics

Receivers who get open and catch the ball as show above.

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore?

Name all the big bodies the Redskins have signed since Shanahan was here who've been successful WR2's or WR1's.

The idea is to have receivers who get open and catch the ball.

there are not many, if any at all. so your not one of the many fans who for yrs have been calling for a viable redzone target? got it.

you just want guys who 'can get open and catch the ball'. noted.

i get it, you made it clear you like the guys who can get open and catch the ball as your WRs. you'd even prefer to have 2 of them on the field at the same time. me, i prefer to have at least 1 guy who can go up and get the ball in the redzone. did you know only 3 of desean jackson's TD came inside the opp. 20? wonder why? id bet those were even bubble screens.

 

[Marvelous]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.

A guy in the 3rd to match what Jackson can do? Seriously, WTH? We will be lucky if even 1 WR from this draft amounts to the type of player Jackson is. He's a bonafied star with WR1 ability and one of the most dangerous deep threats in the NFL today. These guys don't grow on trees and rolling the dice with a rookie vs. the proven commodity is just foolish.

We drafted Leonard Hankerson in the 3rd round a few years ago to be precisely this type of WR. No one should assume a 3rd round pick is going to turn into a superstar.

the skins drafted gardner in the 1st, even traded to get desmond in the 1st. no reason to assume anything about any draft pick. i dont think its illogical to draft at the WR position, especially as compared to desean.

I have no problems drafting WRs. But in the 3rd round and beyond, they are developmental players that you hope will contribute in the future. If you expect them to start from day one, you are in trouble. Rambo was handed the starting job without earning it. Look at that turned out. Thomas, a 4th rounder, may be another, although we don't know how that would have turned out.

 

[dehaven123]

so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.

A guy in the 3rd to match what Jackson can do? Seriously, WTH? We will be lucky if even 1 WR from this draft amounts to the type of player Jackson is. He's a bonafied star with WR1 ability and one of the most dangerous deep threats in the NFL today. These guys don't grow on trees and rolling the dice with a rookie vs. the proven commodity is just foolish.

We drafted Leonard Hankerson in the 3rd round a few years ago to be precisely this type of WR. No one should assume a 3rd round pick is going to turn into a superstar.

the skins drafted gardner in the 1st, even traded to get desmond in the 1st. no reason to assume anything about any draft pick. i dont think its illogical to draft at the WR position, especially as compared to desean.

I have no problems drafting WRs. But in the 3rd round and beyond, they are developmental players that you hope will contribute in the future. If you expect them to start from day one, you are in trouble. Rambo was handed the starting job without earning it. Look at that turned out. Thomas, a 4th rounder, may be another, although we don't know how that would have turned out.

i dont disagree, generally speaking. what im saying is id rather have a project receiver, who meets a certain body type that we need and we can invest time in to develop over desean, for many many reasons. hell, maybe the skins use the 2nd rd'er on a WR, fine by me. we already signed andre roberts, who should theoretically start opposite garcon. we dont need day 1 returns.

sorry to bust some bubbles out there, not necessarily you, we're not a burner WR away from the SB. the fact that the player in question is desean jackson only makes it clearer to me, we should pass pass pass.

 

[fatness]

Rich Tandler

During NFL free agency, many players make visits to various teams. The player meets the head coach, GM, and maybe his position coach. They get acquainted, watch some film, maybe have some dinner. They might discuss contract numbers and perhaps a firm offer. But a visit like that rarely results in an immediate contract.

Every once in a while, a free agent goes to a team facility on a business trip. The pleasantries are disposed of quickly. The team is sold on the player and the player is sold on the team. They are getting together to hammer out a contract. That doesn’t mean that the two parties always agree on a deal but it’s usually not for a lack of serious intention.

DeSean Jackson is coming to Redskins Park tomorrow and it looks like he’ll be there on a business trip.

According to multiple reports, the Redskins intend to make a serious bid to lock up Jackson’s services tomorrow, and Jackson is excited about the prospect of joining the Redskins.

One Eagles writer talked to a source close to Jackson. “I don’t think they are bringing him in the kick the tires,” said the source.

 

[fatness]

i get it, you made it clear you like the guys who can get open and catch the ball as your WRs. you'd even prefer to have 2 of them on the field at the same time. me, i prefer to have at least 1 guy who can go up and get the ball in the redzone. did you know only 3 of desean jackson's TD came inside the opp. 20? wonder why? id bet those were even bubble screens.

Each of his 9 TD's counted 6 points. Same as a TD from the 2-yard line counts.

 

[dehaven123]

Rich Tandler

During NFL free agency, many players make visits to various teams. The player meets the head coach, GM, and maybe his position coach. They get acquainted, watch some film, maybe have some dinner. They might discuss contract numbers and perhaps a firm offer. But a visit like that rarely results in an immediate contract.

Every once in a while, a free agent goes to a team facility on a business trip. The pleasantries are disposed of quickly. The team is sold on the player and the player is sold on the team. They are getting together to hammer out a contract. That doesn’t mean that the two parties always agree on a deal but it’s usually not for a lack of serious intention.

DeSean Jackson is coming to Redskins Park tomorrow and it looks like he’ll be there on a business trip.

According to multiple reports, the Redskins intend to make a serious bid to lock up Jackson’s services tomorrow, and Jackson is excited about the prospect of joining the Redskins.

One Eagles writer talked to a source close to Jackson. “I don’t think they are bringing him in the kick the tires,” said the source.

i bet he is excited. he knows snyder and/or gang has a history of reworking deals and desean wants a new deal every offseason. id like the idea of playing for the skins if i was him, too.

 

[Sebowski]

Meh i don't want to sign him at all.

Fair enough. I'm on record as saying I have no idea how deep the rumors and implications some have thrown around are. From a shear talent and player standpoint, the guy would be an enormous upgrade and addition to Wash and many other teams.

I don't care as much about the off the feild rumors as I do about him being a guy who stopped wanting to return punts when his contract was running out and then #####ing about his contract only one year into it. He is a me-first guy, and I don't want him in the Skins locker room.

 

[dehaven123]

i get it, you made it clear you like the guys who can get open and catch the ball as your WRs. you'd even prefer to have 2 of them on the field at the same time. me, i prefer to have at least 1 guy who can go up and get the ball in the redzone. did you know only 3 of desean jackson's TD came inside the opp. 20? wonder why? id bet those were even bubble screens.

Each of his 9 TD's counted 6 points. Same as a TD from the 2-yard line counts.

do you not understand the correlation between a player's size/body type, the proximity to the end zone, and how it impacts the likelyhood or not of said player scoring a TD? you do know most TDs are scored inside the redzone, even the desean jackson eagles from last yr.

let's expand a little. let's look at the receivers in NFL with 10 or more TDs last yr(Graham, D Thomas, Bryant, Davis, Johnson, Marshall, J Thomas, Decker, Green, Cotchery, Fitz, Marvin Jones, Welker). notice any trends there, fatness? hint: it isn't that the all scored from outside of the 40yd line.

generally speaking, it's the size and/or body type that sets them apart.

desean jackson had a career yr last yr to get all 9 of those TDs. matching his total that he only reached 1 other time, with the nxt highest being 6. yet he wants to be paid like a top 10 receiver. the fact is, he cant and will never be a top 10 receiver, his body just doesn't allow for it. he's no exception to any rule either.

on the field, he's a decent receiver. he is not and will never be worth what he thinks he is. consequently, it makes zero sense to invest even a yr into him. unless, your standard is you like guys 'who get open and catch balls'.

 

[duaneok66]

Dumb question for the Redskins fans.

Let's say that Gruden tells Snyder that he wants nothing to do with Jackson. Will Snyder overrule him and tell him to "make it work" or does Gruden have some say in personnel matters?

 

[Marvelous]

Dumb question for the Redskins fans.

Let's say that Gruden tells Snyder that he wants nothing to do with Jackson. Will Snyder overrule him and tell him to "make it work" or does Gruden have some say in personnel matters?

I'll try to answer this one:

1. I doubt Snyder is having much input at all on this.

2. The GM's job is to acquire talent. Given the salary cap, it is the maximum amount of long term talent within the confines of the cap.

3. Coaches always think they can make it work.

4. The GM and coaches need to develop team chemistry and how a player will affect it.

If Jackson is the wrong type of player for this team, someone in the front office needs to step up and say it's not right.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Dumb question for the Redskins fans.

Let's say that Gruden tells Snyder that he wants nothing to do with Jackson. Will Snyder overrule him and tell him to "make it work" or does Gruden have some say in personnel matters?

No, Snyder is not trumping anyone...he give input, but is not pulling any strings anymore. Again, this is "supposedly" and seems to be verified several times in the past few years.

 

[Marvelous]

Rich Tandler thinks DeSean Jackson will want $9-10M per year. I think that would be too steep for the Redskins. We will see.

http://realredskins.com/2014/03/30/can-the-redskins-afford-to-sign-desean-jackson/

 

[dehaven123]

Rich Tandler thinks DeSean Jackson will want $9-10M per year. I think that would be too steep for the Redskins. We will see.

http://realredskins.com/2014/03/30/can-the-redskins-afford-to-sign-desean-jackson/

shocker

 

[fatness]

i get it, you made it clear you like the guys who can get open and catch the ball as your WRs. you'd even prefer to have 2 of them on the field at the same time. me, i prefer to have at least 1 guy who can go up and get the ball in the redzone. did you know only 3 of desean jackson's TD came inside the opp. 20? wonder why? id bet those were even bubble screens.

Each of his 9 TD's counted 6 points. Same as a TD from the 2-yard line counts.

do you not understand the correlation between a player's size/body type, the proximity to the end zone, and how it impacts the likelyhood or not of said player scoring a TD?

You're starting to sound a bit irritated there pal. No need to insult someone's intelligence.

When a team scores on a long pass, I know you're smart enough to understand that they don't then have to drive the length of the field, may score a TD, maybe a FG, maybe a punt, maybe a turnover.

A WR who can get open and catch long passes regularly is worth more to a team than a WR who fits some predetermined body type and is good on short passes in traffic. Both have value, sure, but the former has more value. You're smart enough that you know that.

Look at Jackson's catch %, yards per catch, and TD's last year. You're smart enough to know that's something the Redskins need more badly than another Hankerson.

 

[fatness]

Rich Tandler thinks DeSean Jackson will want $9-10M per year. I think that would be too steep for the Redskins. We will see.

http://realredskins.com/2014/03/30/can-the-redskins-afford-to-sign-desean-jackson/

I don't think Jackson will get that. I think he'll sign for less. And whatever he signs for I don't think it'll all be guaranteed.

 

[jurb26]

You're starting to sound a bit irritated there pal.

Yeah, we passed that stage a long time ago. Which is why I stopped responding.

 

[fatness]

Dumb question for the Redskins fans.

Let's say that Gruden tells Snyder that he wants nothing to do with Jackson. Will Snyder overrule him and tell him to "make it work" or does Gruden have some say in personnel matters?

It would be more like Bruce Allen making the final decision than either Gruden or Snyder. Allen made it clear when Shanahan was fired that he (Allen) was in charge of personnel decisions, period, after taking input from scouts and coaches.

So to answer your question, I don't think Snyder would force it since he hasn't forced any player move in years. As to what Allen will do on his own, we have nothing to go on. My guess is that he'll go with the consensus of the coaches and scouts, with Gruden having the biggest voice. Interesting question actually.