***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

[dehaven123]

i get it, you made it clear you like the guys who can get open and catch the ball as your WRs. you'd even prefer to have 2 of them on the field at the same time. me, i prefer to have at least 1 guy who can go up and get the ball in the redzone. did you know only 3 of desean jackson's TD came inside the opp. 20? wonder why? id bet those were even bubble screens.

Each of his 9 TD's counted 6 points. Same as a TD from the 2-yard line counts.

do you not understand the correlation between a player's size/body type, the proximity to the end zone, and how it impacts the likelyhood or not of said player scoring a TD?

You're starting to sound a bit irritated there pal. No need to insult someone's intelligence.

When a team scores on a long pass, I know you're smart enough to understand that they don't then have to drive the length of the field, may score a TD, maybe a FG, maybe a punt, maybe a turnover.

A WR who can get open and catch long passes regularly is worth more to a team than a WR who fits some predetermined body type and is good on short passes in traffic. Both have value, sure, but the former has more value. You're smart enough that you know that.

Look at Jackson's catch %, yards per catch, and TD's last year. You're smart enough to know that's something the Redskins need more badly than another Hankerson.

grow some skin, fatness. nobody is insulting you, for sure not me.

i didn't get all pissy when you reminded me that all TDs are worth 6pts.

if the point i was making is lost on you, sobeit. im wasting my time.

 

[fatness]

I answered your point in my last post. Take some time and read it.

 

[dehaven123]

i get it, you made it clear you like the guys who can get open and catch the ball as your WRs. you'd even prefer to have 2 of them on the field at the same time. me, i prefer to have at least 1 guy who can go up and get the ball in the redzone. did you know only 3 of desean jackson's TD came inside the opp. 20? wonder why? id bet those were even bubble screens.

Each of his 9 TD's counted 6 points. Same as a TD from the 2-yard line counts.

do you not understand the correlation between a player's size/body type, the proximity to the end zone, and how it impacts the likelyhood or not of said player scoring a TD?

You're starting to sound a bit irritated there pal. No need to insult someone's intelligence.

When a team scores on a long pass, I know you're smart enough to understand that they don't then have to drive the length of the field, may score a TD, maybe a FG, maybe a punt, maybe a turnover.

A WR who can get open and catch long passes regularly is worth more to a team than a WR who fits some predetermined body type and is good on short passes in traffic. Both have value, sure, but the former has more value. You're smart enough that you know that.

Look at Jackson's catch %, yards per catch, and TD's last year. You're smart enough to know that's something the Redskins need more badly than another Hankerson.

we'll agree to disagree on this. desean jackson is not something the team needs more of. i likely will never be convinced otherwise. your open to it, that's ok. i admit ive passed judgment on him. in my mind, there's plenty of info to do that comfortably.

 

[Hang 10]

Rich Tandler thinks DeSean Jackson will want $9-10M per year. I think that would be too steep for the Redskins. We will see.

http://realredskins.com/2014/03/30/can-the-redskins-afford-to-sign-desean-jackson/

Way to go out on a limb, Rich. Of course he's going to want to make something close to what he was making with the Eagles. Me thinks what he wants and what he gets are two different things.

 

[jurb26]

Rich Tandler thinks DeSean Jackson will want $9-10M per year. I think that would be too steep for the Redskins. We will see.

http://realredskins.com/2014/03/30/can-the-redskins-afford-to-sign-desean-jackson/

Way to go out on a limb, Rich. Of course he's going to want to make something close to what he was making with the Eagles. Me thinks what he wants and what he gets are two different things.

Yup, none story there.

 

[dehaven123]

Rich Tandler thinks DeSean Jackson will want $9-10M per year. I think that would be too steep for the Redskins. We will see.

http://realredskins.com/2014/03/30/can-the-redskins-afford-to-sign-desean-jackson/

Way to go out on a limb, Rich. Of course he's going to want to make something close to what he was making with the Eagles. Me thinks what he wants and what he gets are two different things.

thing is, if he doesn't get what he thinks he deserves, the FO will hear about it the 1st offseason, if not sooner. his history supports that. then, the attitude sprirals down.

 

[fatness]

we'll agree to disagree on this. desean jackson is not something the team needs more of. i likely will never be convinced otherwise. your open to it, that's ok. i admit ive passed judgment on him. in my mind, there's plenty of info to do that comfortably.

Yeah, we disagree about it. Hopefully we'll get less pissy about it while we disagree. We'd be doing other people here a favor. We still root for the same team after all. Nobody wants them to throw away money on a player who's bad for the team. And nobody wants them to pass up a player who would be good for the team. We just disagree which of those Jackson is.

 

[dehaven123]

You're starting to sound a bit irritated there pal.

Yeah, we passed that stage a long time ago. Which is why I stopped responding.

come on! cant we have a passionate discussion!?

 

[fatness]

thing is, if he doesn't get what he thinks he deserves, the FO will hear about it the 1st offseason, if not sooner. his history supports that. then, the attitude sprirals down.

As far as players histories go, we do have a pretty good example on the team now of a player who started in the league as "me me me" and over time became a better player and team leader -- DeAngelo Hall. There's no way to tell if Jackson will follow that route or not, but some players do.

 

[dehaven123]

thing is, if he doesn't get what he thinks he deserves, the FO will hear about it the 1st offseason, if not sooner. his history supports that. then, the attitude sprirals down.

As far as players histories go, we do have a pretty good example on the team now of a player who started in the league as "me me me" and over time became a better player and team leader -- DeAngelo Hall. There's no way to tell if Jackson will follow that route or not, but some players do.

you could be right. to be fair, i wasn't a fan of d hall, until last yr. ive most always lookd at d hall as a similar player as i do desean right now. that's proof i could be wrong, as d hall seems like the opposite of a desean right now.

 

[dehaven123]

we'll agree to disagree on this. desean jackson is not something the team needs more of. i likely will never be convinced otherwise. your open to it, that's ok. i admit ive passed judgment on him. in my mind, there's plenty of info to do that comfortably.

Yeah, we disagree about it. Hopefully we'll get less pissy about it while we disagree. We'd be doing other people here a favor. We still root for the same team after all. Nobody wants them to throw away money on a player who's bad for the team. And nobody wants them to pass up a player who would be good for the team. We just disagree which of those Jackson is.

you sound like my wife. not sure if thats a good thing.

 

[fatness]

I will not sleep with you or cook for you.

 

[dehaven123]

I will not sleep with you or cook for you.

you still sound like wife, she doesn't either.

 

[fatness]

Cut her and sign a free agent wife then.

Meanwhile, Riley Cooper's another example. He pissed off a lot of people on the Eagles team and elsewhere, yet over the course of the year played hard and well and repaired what damage he had done in the locker room. So there's another current example of players who've straightened themselves out and played well.

 

[dehaven123]

Cut her and sign a free agent wife then.

Meanwhile, Riley Cooper's another example. He pissed off a lot of people on the Eagles team and elsewhere, yet over the course of the year played hard and well and repaired what damage he had done in the locker room. So there's another current example of players who've straightened themselves out and played well.

cap penalty is too high to absorb.

im not danny snyder over here.

 

[fatness]

Dan Daly ‏@dandalyonsports 21m

6 #Redskins WRs have had as many receiving yards in a season as Jackson (1,332) did last year: Mitchell, Monk, Clark, Ellard, Moss, Garcon.

Gary Fitzgerald ‏@GaryRFitzgerald 29m

If #Redskins sign Desean Jackson, it'd be an interesting postscript to 2008 draft class. Team chose Devin Thomas, Fred Davis over Desean.

 

[Ted Mullins]

Dumb question for the Redskins fans.

Let's say that Gruden tells Snyder that he wants nothing to do with Jackson. Will Snyder overrule him and tell him to "make it work" or does Gruden have some say in personnel matters?

I know you are just posing this as a hypothetical, but I REALLY hope Snyder wouldn't do that - it'd be a terrible way to kick off Gruden's tenure. I think Gruden is more of a player friendly coach and I like the chances of him making Desean work vs someone like Shanahan as coach.

Rich Tandler thinks DeSean Jackson will want $9-10M per year. I think that would be too steep for the Redskins. We will see.

http://realredskins.com/2014/03/30/can-the-redskins-afford-to-sign-desean-jackson/

Way to go out on a limb, Rich. Of course he's going to want to make something close to what he was making with the Eagles. Me thinks what he wants and what he gets are two different things.

Yup, none story there.

I really hope we don't pay him that much. I have been seeing that it's basically down to just us and the Raiders (not sure how accurate that is) - I really hope the Skins are prepared to just walk away if this gets too expensive, and I say that as someone who really likes the idea of getting him. Realistically, you'd think two teams bidding on a player who just got cut wouldn't get too out of hand, but if there are two teams that might unnecessarily overpay these are two of them.

 

[fatness]

Uh oh. Gang activity.

 

[dehaven123]

Uh oh. Gang activity.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/31/desean-jacksons-high-school-coach-dismisses-story-of-gang-ties/

 

[fatness]

More trouble.

 

[Hang 10]

Uh oh. Gang activity.

If he was a crip, he wouldn't be wearing red.

 

[hammerva]

i just think it is funny that when the Eagles were beating the Skins you would hear "at least we don't have a dog murderer or racists on our team". Not saying the Desean wouldn't be an impact player for the team but I love how fans play the morality card until they have a need.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Uh oh. Gang activity.

If he was crip, he wouldn't be wearing red.

That's cuz he's soo tied to gangbang'n that it depends what day of the week it is..MON, WED, & FRI are Crip days while TUE, THURS, & SAT are Blood days. Sundays are football days, but he's known to give shout out's to all sets then too.

 

[fatness]

Dianna Marie RussiniVerified account ‏@NBCdianna

DeSean Jackson will be in DC Monday night . He'll meet with Redskins Tuesday. Per source close to Jackson.

 

[(HULK)]

i just think it is funny that when the Eagles were beating the Skins you would hear "at least we don't have a dog murderer or racists on our team". Not saying the Desean wouldn't be an impact player for the team but I love how fans play the morality card until they have a need.

Every team has idiot fans. Pretty sure Philly teams rule that roost actually.

I'm a dog owner, Redskins fan, and Mike Vick supporter... so...

 

[fatness]

Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 15 mins
DeSean Jackson is on a direct flight right now to DC.

Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 7 mins

DeSean Jackson is NOT flying in on Dan Snyder's private jet. He is flying commercial.

 

[dehaven123]

Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 15 mins
DeSean Jackson is on a direct flight right now to DC.

Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 7 mins

DeSean Jackson is NOT flying in on Dan Snyder's private jet. He is flying commercial.

so one can still hope for a mon night nor'easter! maybe the winds will too strong to land at dulles and he just heads straight for buffalo.

like i said tho, no way this happens. the money just wont work.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I don't understand why you think the money won't work. We "only" have $7 million in cap space, but you realize the cap hit on a multi-year deal is going to be much smaller than that, right?

 

[Hang 10]

I don't understand why you think the money won't work. We "only" have $7 million in cap space, but you realize the cap hit on a multi-year deal is going to be much smaller than that, right?

It won't work because he doesn't want it to.

 

[dhockster]

Eagle Fan here, so I may have a bias:

I have two main problems with Desean: first, his attitude. He has been a very "me first" person which was highlighted by the 2011 season when he basically mailed in the season because he felt he was underpaid. This included holding out in the preseason, and being benched during the season for poor performance in a game. Second, his size and his concussion status. He has had several concussions, one of which was pretty brutal (Dunta Robinson), so that is something to be concerned about, and his small size makes him an ever increasing injury risk especially if he starts slowing down and thus is an easier target.

If there really are several teams interested, especially some with significant cap space, then the Redskins will have a hard time getting him at a price that is not overpaying for him based on their cap room. Unless they sign him to at least a 3 year deal, and I am not sure anyone wants to do that right now.

From an Eagles perspective, Desean was exciting and I will never forget the punt return vs. the Giants. Based on his track record so far, I think Chip Kelly will find a way to replace his production so I am not that sorry to see Desean gone.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I don't understand why you think the money won't work. We "only" have $7 million in cap space, but you realize the cap hit on a multi-year deal is going to be much smaller than that, right?

It won't work because he doesn't want it to.

Man I wish the world worked that way.

Not for him, but still.

 

[dehaven123]

I don't understand why you think the money won't work. We "only" have $7 million in cap space, but you realize the cap hit on a multi-year deal is going to be much smaller than that, right?

need what 5m for rookies, right?

what would a deal for desean look like, hypothetically?

2yr deal at least if money is deferred.

 

[dehaven123]

I don't understand why you think the money won't work. We "only" have $7 million in cap space, but you realize the cap hit on a multi-year deal is going to be much smaller than that, right?

It won't work because he doesn't want it to.

now i wish had that kind of juice at skins park.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I don't understand why you think the money won't work. We "only" have $7 million in cap space, but you realize the cap hit on a multi-year deal is going to be much smaller than that, right?

need what 5m for rookies, right?

No, probably closer to 3, since we don't have a 1st.

 

[dehaven123]

I don't understand why you think the money won't work. We "only" have $7 million in cap space, but you realize the cap hit on a multi-year deal is going to be much smaller than that, right?

need what 5m for rookies, right?

No, probably closer to 3, since we don't have a 1st.

good point. so 4million left over. wouldn't you guys think it'll take all of that?

that freezes us out of the vet cuts later on, unless orakpo does a deal.

there isnt a lot of room to restructure anybody else on the roster.

 

[dehaven123]

I don't understand why you think the money won't work. We "only" have $7 million in cap space, but you realize the cap hit on a multi-year deal is going to be much smaller than that, right?

It won't work because he doesn't want it to.

what would the deal look like? we know enough about the skins cap $ to play around, dont we?

 

[dehaven123]

I don't understand why you think the money won't work. We "only" have $7 million in cap space, but you realize the cap hit on a multi-year deal is going to be much smaller than that, right?

It won't work because he doesn't want it to.

what would the deal look like? we know enough about the skins cap $ to play around, dont we?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/31/desean-jackson-wont-come-cheap/

some more info to help feed into the what would a contract look like discussion.

 

[Sidewinder16]

good point. so 4million left over. wouldn't you guys think it'll take all of that?

No. Rich Tandler had an article recently (past month or so) about that. He was able to figure out from the rookie wage scale, and due to the "Rule of 51", if the Redskins sit pat with their draft picks (don't move around or acquire more) it will only eat something like $400-500k of cap space to sign their draft picks.

ETA: sorry, I probably cut out too many quotes, but this is in response (obviously, I hope) to how much it will cost to sign draft picks.

 

[dehaven123]

good point. so 4million left over. wouldn't you guys think it'll take all of that?

No. Rich Tandler had an article recently (past month or so) about that. He was able to figure out from the rookie wage scale, and due to the "Rule of 51", if the Redskins sit pat with their draft picks (don't move around or acquire more) it will only eat something like $400-500k of cap space to sign their draft picks.

ETA: sorry, I probably cut out too many quotes, but this is in response (obviously, I hope) to how much it will cost to sign draft picks.

more good info. $$ may look for feasible then.

i

 

[dehaven123]

ed werder is reporting that jackson is already in negotiations w/ 2 teams.

 

[fatness]

good point. so 4million left over. wouldn't you guys think it'll take all of that?

No. Rich Tandler had an article recently (past month or so) about that. He was able to figure out from the rookie wage scale, and due to the "Rule of 51", if the Redskins sit pat with their draft picks (don't move around or acquire more) it will only eat something like $400-500k of cap space to sign their draft picks.

ETA: sorry, I probably cut out too many quotes, but this is in response (obviously, I hope) to how much it will cost to sign draft picks.

Thanks for posting that. I knew it wasn't much to cover the rookie cap hit.

 

[nittanylion]

Per the News Blogger, Ryan Clark in the fold...

 

[fatness]

Ryan Clark just signed with the Skins.

Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 30m

Ryan Clark is officially a Washington Redskin again per sources

 

[fatness]

Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 1h

DeSean Jackson was picked up by Redskins...off to dinner with Bruce Allen and coaches. Official meeting tomorrow

"Official meeting" sounds like the meeting with Snyder. Sounds like Dorothy and friends walking in to see the Wizard of Oz the first time. Actually I like that Jackson's meeting with coaches and Allen first.

BTW I guess it's time to give Dianna Marie Russini some credit for all the Skins stories she's broken this past years. She apparently has plenty of sources.

 

[dehaven123]

Ryan Clark just signed with the Skins.

Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 30m

Ryan Clark is officially a Washington Redskin again per sources

been hoping this one would happen.

 

[fatness]

Per the News Blogger, Ryan Clark in the fold...

Clark had 104 tackles and 2 INT's last year. He isn't what he used to be but he's better than what the Skins have been trotting out there at safety, and he's a good locker room leader.

 

[dehaven123]

Per the News Blogger, Ryan Clark in the fold...

Clark had 104 tackles and 2 INT's last year. He isn't what he used to be but he's better than what the Skins have been trotting out there at safety, and he's a good locker room leader.

yep, takes the pressure off thomas a little, too.

 

[fatness]

Per the News Blogger, Ryan Clark in the fold...

Clark had 104 tackles and 2 INT's last year. He isn't what he used to be but he's better than what the Skins have been trotting out there at safety, and he's a good locker room leader.

yep, takes the pressure off thomas a little, too.

I hadn't thought of that but yeah, it does. And it gives Thomas a chance to learn from Clark.

 

[Hang 10]

Eagle Fan here, so I may have a bias:

I have two main problems with Desean: first, his attitude. He has been a very "me first" person which was highlighted by the 2011 season when he basically mailed in the season because he felt he was underpaid. This included holding out in the preseason, and being benched during the season for poor performance in a game. Second, his size and his concussion status. He has had several concussions, one of which was pretty brutal (Dunta Robinson), so that is something to be concerned about, and his small size makes him an ever increasing injury risk especially if he starts slowing down and thus is an easier target.

If there really are several teams interested, especially some with significant cap space, then the Redskins will have a hard time getting him at a price that is not overpaying for him based on their cap room. Unless they sign him to at least a 3 year deal, and I am not sure anyone wants to do that right now.

From an Eagles perspective, Desean was exciting and I will never forget the punt return vs. the Giants. Based on his track record so far, I think Chip Kelly will find a way to replace his production so I am not that sorry to see Desean gone.

Tell me more about this DeSean Jackson fella, Eagles homer. What position does he play?

 

[fatness]

Clark is likely to start at free safety with Brandon Meriweather starting at strong.

http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/reports-ryan-clark-agrees-terms-redskins