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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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nittanylion
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PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
I love how every single person that steps to the podium gets booed. 
Milkman
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
I love how Goodell introduces someone, who introduces someone else. Pretty soon Goodell will introduce Snow White who'll introduce Grumpy who'll introduce Sleepy who'll introduce.....................I love how every single person that steps to the podium gets booed.
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
This was driving me crazy all night.I love how Goodell introduces someone, who introduces someone else. Pretty soon Goodell will introduce Snow White who'll introduce Grumpy who'll introduce Sleepy who'll introduce.....................I love how every single person that steps to the podium gets booed.
Don't feel great about the picks, but we will see how it pans out. I like the Morgan Moses pick the best...IMO it is hard to predict which of these middle round guys will hit and which won't, especially oline. If these guys were sure things they'd have gone last night. I think it's always going to be hard to get real excited over 2nd and 3rd round linemen, it's just not sexy at all.
With the way the old line was not great and built for the zone blocking scheme, I figured there was a chance Gruden would gradually move on from everyone but Trent.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I liked that we went o-line with 2 of 3 picks. But don't know if I like the players.
Here's a pretty damning review of Moses:.
http://www.hogshaven.com/2014/4/13/5610096/just-say-no-to-morgan-moses-in-the-second
I saw something that said Polumbus graded out as Skins 2nd best O-lineman next year. Which is a scary thought. But it looks like he may be the starter again this year. I've seen multiple people refer to Moses as a developmental pick who will need a lot of work to be a consistent starter.
Here's a pretty damning review of Moses:.
http://www.hogshaven.com/2014/4/13/5610096/just-say-no-to-morgan-moses-in-the-second
I saw something that said Polumbus graded out as Skins 2nd best O-lineman next year. Which is a scary thought. But it looks like he may be the starter again this year. I've seen multiple people refer to Moses as a developmental pick who will need a lot of work to be a consistent starter.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
It's easy to ##### right now about value. I did it, still will. I'm annoyed, wish we would have gone Jernigan/Moses/Turner.
But let's be honest--if Moses and Long both earn starting jobs and are our right-side starters going forward we aren't going to care where we probably could have gotten them. Even taking the Murphy pick into account, which we might appreciate in the future if Orakpo turns in another 10 sack season with only one pass-rush move, or if he gets injured again, or if he signs an enormous contract somewhere new.
But let's be honest--if Moses and Long both earn starting jobs and are our right-side starters going forward we aren't going to care where we probably could have gotten them. Even taking the Murphy pick into account, which we might appreciate in the future if Orakpo turns in another 10 sack season with only one pass-rush move, or if he gets injured again, or if he signs an enormous contract somewhere new.
fatness
Footballguy
Kerrigan and/or Orakpo might be gone after next year so Murphy addresses a position of upcoming need. He's supposedly a high-motor guy and I'd expect to see him on the field a good bit this year. They end up in a 4-3 more often than a 3-4 so there are ways to play all 3 of them. Kerrigan needs to pick up his game. He starts each season well and then just becomes invisible for the rest of it. He supposedly has only one "move", and at this stage of his career if that's all he can do he's not all that. Easy guy to like, but it's football, not a popularity contest.
I like the Moses pick. I think he'll push Polumbus out of a job. I realize there are people saying that Polumbus graded out OK last year but when he's on the field I don't see it. I see a guy struggling to be below average. The knock on Moses is effort, and he'll unlearn that one pretty quickly with the team. Gruden and the players won't put up with it.
Long being drafted is a worry due to past injuries but not for any other reason. He's also a high-motor guy supposedly and I think we'll see him playing this year. LeRibeus and Gettis better do something quick to earn a roster spot because neither one has done so yet.
I like the Moses pick. I think he'll push Polumbus out of a job. I realize there are people saying that Polumbus graded out OK last year but when he's on the field I don't see it. I see a guy struggling to be below average. The knock on Moses is effort, and he'll unlearn that one pretty quickly with the team. Gruden and the players won't put up with it.
Long being drafted is a worry due to past injuries but not for any other reason. He's also a high-motor guy supposedly and I think we'll see him playing this year. LeRibeus and Gettis better do something quick to earn a roster spot because neither one has done so yet.
jurb26
Footballguy
Basically means not explosive as an athlete.
fatness
Footballguy
4th round pick Bashaud Breeland, CB
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/bashaud-breeland?id=2543571
Projected to go in 2nd or 3rd round.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/bashaud-breeland?id=2543571
Projected to go in 2nd or 3rd round.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Almost every single analyst and impartial observer loves the value where we got Moses. But Milkman thinks he "sucks ###". Wrap it up fellas, this things over. Let's go home.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Thoughts on Grant?
southeastjerome
Footballguy
I don't know much about him. I did not see 1 Tulane game all year. I think I remember Matt Waldman talking him up a bit.
Hang 10
Footballguy
nittanylion
Footballguy
Long, or exactly the 'same guy' would have been avaiable today. This Team has plenty of holes, and lacks so much depth, that there were well over a dozen Players that could have had a more immediate positive impact for the Redskins, and you could still have taken the project that is Long, or a player just like him, not in Round 4, but in Round 5.
I have to admit, I'm surprised at the lack of outrage in here. Depression? Acceptance? Angst?
This entire draft so far is an abomination! Can't wait to see the grades from objective sources.
Hey! Here's a start:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000349134/article/2014-nfl-draft-second-day-quicksnap-grades-for-all-32-teams
Well, I do like the Breeland selection, so there's that. Still, it'll take a lot of convincing for me to get over my opinion that Day 2 was a disaster.
We trade (with the Cowboys, but that's another story) down. They, in our Division, and the Team our fan base should want to beat the most, use the pick to get an impact starter at a position of need...13 picks later, we take an inferior player AT THE EXACT SAME POSITION?!!!
How is that not a screw-up of immense proportions? Yes I know about the situations involving Orakpo and Kerrigan...but those situations aren't ... NOW...and we have plenty of NOW.
Pick 34 is a de-facto 1st Rounder. Especially when the 2nd Round is a day later than the 1st, and every Team reloads and reorganizes their Draft Board overnight, and realizes all the 1st Round talent that slipped. That CAN'T be the best offer the Redskins could have gotten for 2.02...and when you trade with a Division Rival, you automatically ask for more, especially when it's Dallas. With that much talent on the board, nothing's wrong with just making the pick if you can't extort the other Team for more than they're willing to give up front. Can't tell me they couldn't have at least gotten a next year's 3rd as a throw in.
Right now, we have 2 solid, if unspectacular OLB's who are better than the guy we drafted. New guy not only wasn't necessarily a 2nd Round talent (late 2nd, at best), but he's not even as good as the two guys in front of him, and he's not beating either of them out of a starting job, of which there are only 2. He's not playing DE in a 3-4, and neither are they, to make room for him.
So, with the 34th pick overall, we drafted a backup, when there were starter-caliber players, at positions we need to fill, literally littered across the board. If we really wanted Trent Murphy, we could have traded back again and still gotten him in the late 2nd early 3rd, and picked up more picks...and if we missed on him, there still would have been comparable players available.
This Team has no room on it for at-risk or injury-prone Players, no matter their potential upside, yet we drafted 2 in the 3rd Round. We're just not the Team yet that can consider drafting guys like that. We're not. We have a Roster loaded with replaceable 'just a guy''s Questionable starters, and little to no depth. Sorry, but IMO, you can't be drafting guys in the 3rd Round that MIGHT work out, when there are guys available who WILL. You have to draft kids with a little more certainty about their prospects, even if that certainty isn't as high as the upside another guy 'might' have, but who comes with some legitimate risks. We're far from there yet.
OOOF, and as I'm typing this, we draft a WR with the 2nd Pick in the 5th that's a late-6th, early 7th projection. The hits just keep coming!
I have to admit, I'm surprised at the lack of outrage in here. Depression? Acceptance? Angst?
This entire draft so far is an abomination! Can't wait to see the grades from objective sources.
Hey! Here's a start:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000349134/article/2014-nfl-draft-second-day-quicksnap-grades-for-all-32-teams
Well, I do like the Breeland selection, so there's that. Still, it'll take a lot of convincing for me to get over my opinion that Day 2 was a disaster.
We trade (with the Cowboys, but that's another story) down. They, in our Division, and the Team our fan base should want to beat the most, use the pick to get an impact starter at a position of need...13 picks later, we take an inferior player AT THE EXACT SAME POSITION?!!!
How is that not a screw-up of immense proportions? Yes I know about the situations involving Orakpo and Kerrigan...but those situations aren't ... NOW...and we have plenty of NOW.
Pick 34 is a de-facto 1st Rounder. Especially when the 2nd Round is a day later than the 1st, and every Team reloads and reorganizes their Draft Board overnight, and realizes all the 1st Round talent that slipped. That CAN'T be the best offer the Redskins could have gotten for 2.02...and when you trade with a Division Rival, you automatically ask for more, especially when it's Dallas. With that much talent on the board, nothing's wrong with just making the pick if you can't extort the other Team for more than they're willing to give up front. Can't tell me they couldn't have at least gotten a next year's 3rd as a throw in.
Right now, we have 2 solid, if unspectacular OLB's who are better than the guy we drafted. New guy not only wasn't necessarily a 2nd Round talent (late 2nd, at best), but he's not even as good as the two guys in front of him, and he's not beating either of them out of a starting job, of which there are only 2. He's not playing DE in a 3-4, and neither are they, to make room for him.
So, with the 34th pick overall, we drafted a backup, when there were starter-caliber players, at positions we need to fill, literally littered across the board. If we really wanted Trent Murphy, we could have traded back again and still gotten him in the late 2nd early 3rd, and picked up more picks...and if we missed on him, there still would have been comparable players available.
This Team has no room on it for at-risk or injury-prone Players, no matter their potential upside, yet we drafted 2 in the 3rd Round. We're just not the Team yet that can consider drafting guys like that. We're not. We have a Roster loaded with replaceable 'just a guy''s Questionable starters, and little to no depth. Sorry, but IMO, you can't be drafting guys in the 3rd Round that MIGHT work out, when there are guys available who WILL. You have to draft kids with a little more certainty about their prospects, even if that certainty isn't as high as the upside another guy 'might' have, but who comes with some legitimate risks. We're far from there yet.
OOOF, and as I'm typing this, we draft a WR with the 2nd Pick in the 5th that's a late-6th, early 7th projection. The hits just keep coming!
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Grant runs good routes and has excellent hands, he immediately pushes Hankerson, Robinson, and Moss down or off the roster. Good pick in the 5th round. Guaranteed to make the roster and make a positive impact.
Milkman
Footballguy
Bad draft is bad. You are probably a skins fan and don't want to hear that but it is what it is. They had a guy there at #34 that fit a huge need and should have gone in the 1st round. Instead of taking that player they traded down and took three players of which only one is any good. Of course we don't need him. lol
Some quick thoughts on the draft:
1. The Redskins took an OT and OG in 3rd round. This is a huge shift from their draft philosophy from the past few decades. I am amazed at how few OL the Redskins have drafted in the past. Shanahan increased the quantity, but except for Williams and LeRibeus, never spent even a mid round pick on the OL.
2. The Redskins have signed two free agent guards and now spent two 3rd round picks on the OL. They were clearly not happy with the OL performance last year. This also indicates that they are not impressed with Gettis, Compton, Hurt, and LeRibeus. Two or three of them will be gone this season.
3. I previously posted that the biggest problem with the Redskin's defense is the pass rush. Trent Murphy is a pass rushing OLB. You can never have enough pass rushers. I am not sure how you get him on the field with Kerrigan and Orakpo, but pass rushers are gold in the NFL.
I like the philosophy of the team. I just hope they pick the right players.
1. The Redskins took an OT and OG in 3rd round. This is a huge shift from their draft philosophy from the past few decades. I am amazed at how few OL the Redskins have drafted in the past. Shanahan increased the quantity, but except for Williams and LeRibeus, never spent even a mid round pick on the OL.
2. The Redskins have signed two free agent guards and now spent two 3rd round picks on the OL. They were clearly not happy with the OL performance last year. This also indicates that they are not impressed with Gettis, Compton, Hurt, and LeRibeus. Two or three of them will be gone this season.
3. I previously posted that the biggest problem with the Redskin's defense is the pass rush. Trent Murphy is a pass rushing OLB. You can never have enough pass rushers. I am not sure how you get him on the field with Kerrigan and Orakpo, but pass rushers are gold in the NFL.
I like the philosophy of the team. I just hope they pick the right players.
nittanylion
Footballguy
...that's all well and fine, but I'm pretty sure no one was racing up the ladder to snatch him out of our grasp. He's not a good pick at 5.2, when there's still 4th Round talent falling. Almost certainly available at 6.2 if you want him that bad, as his projection is low-6th, high 7th. Hankerson, Robinson and Moss are average enough that there are still a handful of WR on the board still that will push any of them for a roster spot. As well as a handful of street free agents that actually already have experience playing at the NFL level. If Garcon or Jackson gets hurt, neither those guys, or this guy, are drawing respect or coverage from opposing DC's.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
i don't necessarily disagree with you overall, although I liked the trade with the Cowboys. I thought they made out really well with that deal on paper, but of course you need to pick the right players to make it work, in theory, they crushed it from a pick value perspective.
That said, I hated the Murphy pick too. Not a big fan of him overall. The one thing that he and Long have in common is that they are supposedly ridiculous effort guys with great attitudes, live and breathe football and have a mean streak. I don't need to tell you that this team lacked that big time last year. And perhaps their biggest motivator/attitude guy is gone (Fletcher).
Obviously that doesn't mean much if the players aren't good, but at least it will set the tone and hopefully rub off on other players. Look at Seattle, they had a few good studs on D and a bunch of no names coming out of nowhere making huge plays. They all fed off of eachother and they played angry. The skins were almost the complete opposite. A rising tide lifts all ships, right?
Also remember that even the early 2nd round is not full of any sure things. Look at previous year second rounds, there are some guys that are good players, but the majority are mediocre or seemingly have disappeared. We're not likely going to get a player that can turn the team around with one pick, so at least by adding choices, we increase the potential to hit. I'm not optimistic about any of the players, but I think lots of us had expectations set way too high for the 34th overall as if we were going to be getting a guy with few question marks. So while I don't love the picks, there was not one guy there who I am completely bummed they passed on. Most of the guys picked in 2nd round have some sort of concern and most do not work out to be the types of guys who turn teams around on their own.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
This is pretty ####### arrogant. You literally have no idea where other teams had him ranked, if he would have made it to our next pick. Projections mean nothing once you're actually on the clock and think you know how a guy is valued. We're past the 4th round. There is no "4th round talent" falling because all the 4th round talent...went in the 4th round. You're clinging to the early projections like they mean anything now. The NFL, all 32 teams, have spoken. There will still be steals from this range that should have gone higher, but in general no, the NFL has decided who the 4th round talents were, and it wasn't the guys who are still available now, no matter how they were perceived by analysts or draftniks.
In short, NFL teams don't give a #### about your "projections". Reality is pooping on your projections right now.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
I'm with you,but I think it is fair to say no one here watches enough Tulane games and has the scouting acumen to really say with conviction that it was a good pick either. We're all just going off of what the experts say anyways. What I've read and liked about Grant and most of the guys they have picked is the common thread that they are live and breath football types of guys with good attitudes. That's certainly a positive thing to keep hearing over and over.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I've seen Grant projected in the 4th-5h just as often as I saw him projected as 7th-UDFA. He was a very popular sleeper WR pick for dynasty already, after the senior bowl. That's why they're called "projections". Once the bullets start to fly, none of the NFL teams care what the media thinks. Seattle, the team everyone loves to praise for their ability to draft well and develop studs from nobodies, took an UDFA in the 3rd round by these moron's estimation. The fact that Grant WAS very much on many people's radar in this range makes the #####ing that much dumber.
fatness
Footballguy
To answer nittanylion above, I'm not into the instant "this is terrible" doom which really is nothing more than responding to how well the Redskins drafting matched up to "ratings" which all seek to imitate each other the closer it comes to draft times. Go back and look at those ratings in a couple years and see how good they were --- almost all of them are off more than they're spot-on. Seems to me that 3-13 leads to some panicky "if we blow this pick next season is ruined" thinking.
That doesn't mean they picked good (or bad) players.
It means it's May, and there's minicamps and training camp and preseason to go through to establish how good the drafted players are going to be in the NFL. And I'll wait til then to have an informed opinion.
I think at least 4 of their first 5 picks will make the final roster. I think Moses will take Polumbus's place as starter. I think you'll see Kerrigan inside in 4-3 passing defenses some of the time with Murphy as a LB. I think Long will make the team and bump LeRibeus, Gettis, or Chester from the roster. I don't know about the CB, but I think the WR will make the team and we can lose one of the underperformers Hankerson or Robinson.
That's what I think but it's uninformed, just guesses. And it's not emotional "this is great" or "failure of epic proportions" reaction. It's recognition that we know very little right now, we're guessing, with varying degrees of emotion attached.
What I'd ask is for those thinking we should've taken someone else any draft spot, post who you think we should have taken. Then we can look back in a year or two and see how those players worked out.
That doesn't mean they picked good (or bad) players.
It means it's May, and there's minicamps and training camp and preseason to go through to establish how good the drafted players are going to be in the NFL. And I'll wait til then to have an informed opinion.
I think at least 4 of their first 5 picks will make the final roster. I think Moses will take Polumbus's place as starter. I think you'll see Kerrigan inside in 4-3 passing defenses some of the time with Murphy as a LB. I think Long will make the team and bump LeRibeus, Gettis, or Chester from the roster. I don't know about the CB, but I think the WR will make the team and we can lose one of the underperformers Hankerson or Robinson.
That's what I think but it's uninformed, just guesses. And it's not emotional "this is great" or "failure of epic proportions" reaction. It's recognition that we know very little right now, we're guessing, with varying degrees of emotion attached.
What I'd ask is for those thinking we should've taken someone else any draft spot, post who you think we should have taken. Then we can look back in a year or two and see how those players worked out.
fatness
Footballguy
I've liked that, and I've like that a number of them (and our free agents) play special teams.
It's pretty obvious the Redskins' priorities this year were improving the pass rush, improving the offensive line, and improving special teams. Many of us think they've ignored the defensive backfield, me included, but the three things they seem intent on improving definitely needed improving if the team is to progress.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I mean, I'm in here defending it but even I would have done it differently.
I personally would have done the trade-back and gone:
Timmy Jernigan DL
Morgan Moses OT
Trai Turner OG
Carl Bradford ILB
David Yankey OG (though it never would have happened with Lavauo's contract)
But I see the merits of what we did and know I'm not an expert.
I personally would have done the trade-back and gone:
Timmy Jernigan DL
Morgan Moses OT
Trai Turner OG
Carl Bradford ILB
David Yankey OG (though it never would have happened with Lavauo's contract)
But I see the merits of what we did and know I'm not an expert.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
dehaven123
Footballguy
as someone who isn't a fan of helu, i like this pick.PinkydaPimp said:
he's sure to be the change of pace back imo.
Archer
Footballguy
Only thing is, supposedly Seastrunk can't catch, which you normally associate with a change of pace back IMO. He was the only division one RB who didn't have a catch last year. Not saying I don't like the pick, I actually am fine with it, but just seems odd since catching the ball isn't exactly his strength.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Yeah, part of that is that NO Baylor RB's caught passes, it's not what they do.
He looked good catching the ball at the combine and at his pro day.
jurb26
Footballguy
He dropped more passes than he caught. Baylor throws to RBs a small amout but this guy showed a propensity for dropping a high amount of passes on a few opportunities. Not exactly a good thing.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Love the Seastrunk pick. Skins need a home run threat. Sure he has a lot of bad habits, but he is as explosive as any RB in this draft, imo.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Thanks for that.ConnSKINS26 said:
Not that I always agree with him but here's John Keim's take.
http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/7605/redskins-draft-wrap-up?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
There's more in the article.
fatness
Footballguy
Either they're actually serious about this kicker competing for Forbath's job, or they did a useless trade-down to pick up another 7th round pick. I guess we'll find out.
The pick of Seastrunk seems weird, since Gruden was in love with what Bernard could do out of the backfield and wants Morris to become a better receiver.
The pick of Seastrunk seems weird, since Gruden was in love with what Bernard could do out of the backfield and wants Morris to become a better receiver.
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