****OFFICIAL**** Washington Redskins Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

[dgreen]

Chris Samuels was carted off the field today. MRI results not back yet.

 

[dgreen]

"It's just a sprain," Samuels said. "I think I'm okay. I didn't feel anything pop, but it was definitely my MCL. I'm going to go get an MRI and we'll see how long it takes for me to get back out on the field."

 

[Bizkiteer]

Randle El is WR#2.

Brandon Lloyd is WR#3.

Link

I think eventually those will flip back...B. Lloyd just has to earn it!

 

[dgreen]

Ashburn, VA - An MRI taken on Redskins offensive tackle Chris Samuels tonight revealed an isolated grade 2 sprain of his right MCL.The injury is expected to keep Samuels out for up to four weeks.

 

[jurb26]

Ashburn, VA - An MRI taken on Redskins offensive tackle Chris Samuels tonight revealed an isolated grade 2 sprain of his right MCL.The injury is expected to keep Samuels out for up to four weeks.

Who steps into his place?

 

[dgreen]

Ashburn, VA - An MRI taken on Redskins offensive tackle Chris Samuels tonight revealed an isolated grade 2 sprain of his right MCL.The injury is expected to keep Samuels out for up to four weeks.

Who steps into his place?

Head coach Joe Gibbs said he is unlikely to move Todd Wade back to tackle to replace Samuels in the lineup. It's possible that reserve lineman Jason Fabini, who has played mostly tackle in his career, could step in for Samuels.

But, it appears that will just be for a scrimmage and three preseason games. He should be available for the final preseason game and certainly for week 1.

 

[jurb26]

Ashburn, VA - An MRI taken on Redskins offensive tackle Chris Samuels tonight revealed an isolated grade 2 sprain of his right MCL.The injury is expected to keep Samuels out for up to four weeks.

Who steps into his place?

Head coach Joe Gibbs said he is unlikely to move Todd Wade back to tackle to replace Samuels in the lineup. It's possible that reserve lineman Jason Fabini, who has played mostly tackle in his career, could step in for Samuels.

But, it appears that will just be for a scrimmage and three preseason games. He should be available for the final preseason game and certainly for week 1.

I'd rather he didn't play that last preseason game.

 

[redman]

Ashburn, VA - An MRI taken on Redskins offensive tackle Chris Samuels tonight revealed an isolated grade 2 sprain of his right MCL.The injury is expected to keep Samuels out for up to four weeks.

Who steps into his place?

Head coach Joe Gibbs said he is unlikely to move Todd Wade back to tackle to replace Samuels in the lineup. It's possible that reserve lineman Jason Fabini, who has played mostly tackle in his career, could step in for Samuels.

But, it appears that will just be for a scrimmage and three preseason games. He should be available for the final preseason game and certainly for week 1.

The reluctance to move Wade to OT is somewhat interesting. I think it's primarily a product of the fact that Samuels apparently won't miss any regular season action, but to the extent that that wasn't a consideration, it is odd that Wade wouldn't slide over. I'm trying to figure out if that would suggest that Wade is doing well, or not, in his transition to guard. I'm probably grasping at straws here.

 

[dgreen]

Ashburn, VA - An MRI taken on Redskins offensive tackle Chris Samuels tonight revealed an isolated grade 2 sprain of his right MCL.The injury is expected to keep Samuels out for up to four weeks.

Who steps into his place?

Head coach Joe Gibbs said he is unlikely to move Todd Wade back to tackle to replace Samuels in the lineup. It's possible that reserve lineman Jason Fabini, who has played mostly tackle in his career, could step in for Samuels.

But, it appears that will just be for a scrimmage and three preseason games. He should be available for the final preseason game and certainly for week 1.

The reluctance to move Wade to OT is somewhat interesting. I think it's primarily a product of the fact that Samuels apparently won't miss any regular season action, but to the extent that that wasn't a consideration, it is odd that Wade wouldn't slide over. I'm trying to figure out if that would suggest that Wade is doing well, or not, in his transition to guard. I'm probably grasping at straws here.

I think it's simply because it won't affect "meaningful" games. Wade needs preseason action at G and Fabini, or whoever is going to backup Samuels, needs action at T.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Ashburn, VA - An MRI taken on Redskins offensive tackle Chris Samuels tonight revealed an isolated grade 2 sprain of his right MCL.The injury is expected to keep Samuels out for up to four weeks.

Even though Samuels should be back in plenty of time for the regular season, this news still made me :X a little.If that offensive line starts falling apart, say hello to another 5-11 season.

 

[nygiants56]

Chris Samuels was carted off the field today. MRI results not back yet.

DOH!there goes Portis' spot in the RB top 10, if Samuels is out for the season.

 

[dgreen]

Chris Samuels was carted off the field today. MRI results not back yet.

DOH!there goes Portis' spot in the RB top 10, if Samuels is out for the season.

Top 10? You're the guy that thinks he's only good for about RB25, if healthy.Oh, and Samuels is not out for the season.

 

[dgreen]

Ashburn, VA - An MRI taken on Redskins offensive tackle Chris Samuels tonight revealed an isolated grade 2 sprain of his right MCL.The injury is expected to keep Samuels out for up to four weeks.

Even though Samuels should be back in plenty of time for the regular season, this news still made me a little.If that offensive line starts falling apart, say hello to another 5-11 season.

Yeah, I didn't hear this first until later last night while watching a replay of a local sports show. Clamoring for the latest news, I immediately jump on the internet to find no updates for about 30 minutes. Then, finally, some decent news was reported.

 

[DCThunder]

Didn't I read somewhere that there's another guard who's wowing Buges so far? Not Wade, another guy who they signed without much fanfare in the FA period. Now maybe that's Bugel blowing smoke, but, I can easily see the Wade experiment being a semi-disaster.

 

[redman]

Didn't I read somewhere that there's another guard who's wowing Buges so far? Not Wade, another guy who they signed without much fanfare in the FA period. Now maybe that's Bugel blowing smoke, but, I can easily see the Wade experiment being a semi-disaster.

I don't know the report you're referring to, but Will Whittacker might be the guy, or perhaps Pucillo. Whittacker was signed last year and started in Green Bay for a while - in fact I've never understood how such a massive guy who Buges likes as much as he does wasn't kept in Green Bay which has been hurting for good linemen in recent years.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Didn't I read somewhere that there's another guard who's wowing Buges so far? Not Wade, another guy who they signed without much fanfare in the FA period. Now maybe that's Bugel blowing smoke, but, I can easily see the Wade experiment being a semi-disaster.

I don't know the report you're referring to, but Will Whittacker might be the guy, or perhaps Pucillo. Whittacker was signed last year and started in Green Bay for a while - in fact I've never understood how such a massive guy who Buges likes as much as he does wasn't kept in Green Bay which has been hurting for good linemen in recent years.

Pretty sure he is thinking of Whitticker. Here's a WaPo article from the other day:Link

With Thomas out, journeyman Will Whitticker is taking his spot at starting right guard. Whitticker worked in Thomas's place during minicamp and has drawn raves from Bugel, who believes he can be an impact starter if he continues to shed pounds and increase fitness.

I thought I had read something similar somewhere else, but can't remember where I else I saw it, at the moment.

 

[dgreen]

Didn't I read somewhere that there's another guard who's wowing Buges so far? Not Wade, another guy who they signed without much fanfare in the FA period. Now maybe that's Bugel blowing smoke, but, I can easily see the Wade experiment being a semi-disaster.

I don't know the report you're referring to, but Will Whittacker might be the guy, or perhaps Pucillo. Whittacker was signed last year and started in Green Bay for a while - in fact I've never understood how such a massive guy who Buges likes as much as he does wasn't kept in Green Bay which has been hurting for good linemen in recent years.

Pretty sure he is thinking of Whitticker. Here's a WaPo article from the other day:Link

With Thomas out, journeyman Will Whitticker is taking his spot at starting right guard. Whitticker worked in Thomas's place during minicamp and has drawn raves from Bugel, who believes he can be an impact starter if he continues to shed pounds and increase fitness.

I thought I had read something similar somewhere else, but can't remember where I else I saw it, at the moment.

Redskins list him at 6-5, 356!

 

[fatness]

This offensive line situation really does not sound good.

Washington Post article

The Washington Redskins' first-string left tackle, at least for one day, came off the field lugging the shoulder pads of teammates Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen. It's a chore normally reserved for those at the bottom of the depth chart, and that's precisely where tackle Stephon Heyer found himself hours before yesterday's practice.

But by 4 p.m. Heyer, an undrafted rookie out of Maryland, was handed the critical chore of blocking quarterback Jason Campbell's blind side with Pro Bowler Chris Samuels out a month with a sprained medial collateral ligament in his right knee, a decision that shocked everyone -- including Heyer. Coach Joe Gibbs cautioned, however, that he expects players to rotate in and out of Samuels's role, and other team sources said privately that they would be floored if Heyer actually manned such a vital position in a preseason game.

With Samuels and Thomas watching, Heyer received heavy work at tackle, while journeymen Jason Fabini and Will Whitticker filled in at right guard. Todd Wade, a natural tackle who was the early favorite to replace departed starter Derrick Dockery at left guard, shuffled between the first and second team yesterday, but coaches resisted the temptation to move Wade back to the edge in an effort to get him as many reps as possible at his new position.

Wade could still switch back to tackle, said Joe Bugel, assistant head coach and offensive line coach, and several players and coaches said privately last season that they believed Wade as a reserve tackle outperformed several starting linemen in practice. The urge to use Wade to protect Campbell's blind side could become greater as preseason games approach, and so far the other experienced reserve tackle in camp, Fabini (a 10-year veteran) has been ineffective, although ample time remains.

"First and foremost we want to make sure that Jason Campbell is in a position where the people surrounding him are able to do the job we need them to do," said Al Saunders, associate head coach-offense. "I'm sure by the time we get to preseason whoever is playing the left tackle position will be adequate."

 

[redman]

This offensive line situation really does not sound good.

Washington Post article

The Washington Redskins' first-string left tackle, at least for one day, came off the field lugging the shoulder pads of teammates Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen. It's a chore normally reserved for those at the bottom of the depth chart, and that's precisely where tackle Stephon Heyer found himself hours before yesterday's practice.

But by 4 p.m. Heyer, an undrafted rookie out of Maryland, was handed the critical chore of blocking quarterback Jason Campbell's blind side with Pro Bowler Chris Samuels out a month with a sprained medial collateral ligament in his right knee, a decision that shocked everyone -- including Heyer. Coach Joe Gibbs cautioned, however, that he expects players to rotate in and out of Samuels's role, and other team sources said privately that they would be floored if Heyer actually manned such a vital position in a preseason game.

With Samuels and Thomas watching, Heyer received heavy work at tackle, while journeymen Jason Fabini and Will Whitticker filled in at right guard. Todd Wade, a natural tackle who was the early favorite to replace departed starter Derrick Dockery at left guard, shuffled between the first and second team yesterday, but coaches resisted the temptation to move Wade back to the edge in an effort to get him as many reps as possible at his new position.

Wade could still switch back to tackle, said Joe Bugel, assistant head coach and offensive line coach, and several players and coaches said privately last season that they believed Wade as a reserve tackle outperformed several starting linemen in practice. The urge to use Wade to protect Campbell's blind side could become greater as preseason games approach, and so far the other experienced reserve tackle in camp, Fabini (a 10-year veteran) has been ineffective, although ample time remains.

"First and foremost we want to make sure that Jason Campbell is in a position where the people surrounding him are able to do the job we need them to do," said Al Saunders, associate head coach-offense. "I'm sure by the time we get to preseason whoever is playing the left tackle position will be adequate."

I'm not all that concerned at the moment. Samuels is a veteran and appears certain to be back by the start of the season, if not sooner. The decision to leave Wade at LG is reflective of that, and also appears wisely geared to getting Wade the maximum number of reps at the OG position. They're getting a good look at Heyer while Campbell still wears the yellow jersey, which is also wise. The only thing lost here is cohesion developed between Samuels and Wade on the left side, but that can't be helped anyway. I also don't like that Fabini appears to be washed up, but we'll see how that goes.

 

[fatness]

Washington Post

Team management received sub-par internal scouting reports on free agent end Simeon Rice, sources said, and have made no contact with the former Pro Bowler. Nor are they expected to. Management did instruct scouts and coaches to compile offseason reports on defensive end Michael Strahan over the winter, however. Strahan is threatening to retire and is locked in a contract impasse with the New York Giants. Owner Daniel Snyder likes Strahan after watching him battle his team in the NFC East, team sources have said, and should Strahan become available, the Redskins could become a suitor. The Giants would likely be reluctant to trade him within the division, and several teams are monitoring his situation closely.

How is Strahan at playing the run? Please tell me he's not another Bruce "Highway 78" Smith.

 

[jurb26]

Anyone got any more word on how the QBs have looked in camp? All of the QB please.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Anyone got any more word on how the QBs have looked in camp? All of the QB please.

Campbell and Brunell have received praise for looking sharp (here's a hot-of-the-press camp report on Campbell). Collins, Bramlet and Palmer have all been said to struggle some.There's a thought that Collins may be cut. If he does, Bramlet would probably be the #3 and Palmer will most likely end up on the practice squad.

I imagine Palmer hits the practice squad no matter what happens. The way I see it, it's Collins v. Bramlet for the #3 spot.

 

[fatness]

Friends, the season has started.

Dallas sucks.

 

[dgreen]

Anyone got any more word on how the QBs have looked in camp? All of the QB please.

Campbell and Brunell have received praise for looking sharp (here's a hot-of-the-press camp report on Campbell). Collins, Bramlet and Palmer have all been said to struggle some.There's a thought that Collins may be cut. If he does, Bramlet would probably be the #3 and Palmer will most likely end up on the practice squad.

I imagine Palmer hits the practice squad no matter what happens. The way I see it, it's Collins v. Bramlet for the #3 spot.

Bramlet was cut today.

 

[fatness]

Injury news

Whitticker has what appears to be a high ankle sprain, and is in crutches with a boot on his right ankle as we speak. It looks like a longp-term injury and he will get an MRI on Tuesday.

Will says he can feel the pain all the way up his leg and in his knee. "My whole leg hurts," he said. Whitticker said he doesn't know exactly how it happened. "I don't even know, I just felt my knee buckle," he said.

As for other injuries, Bubba said Ladell Betts will get an X-Ray on his jammed neck but it does not appear severe. Mike Sellers aggravated a bone bruise on his knee, but that too looks minor and he actually finished practice, while Ladell mostly watched after getting run over by Marcus Washington in a blitz pick-up drill.

Coach Joe says it looks like Stephon Heyer will be the starting left tackle Saturday at the Titans after his strong work in the scrimmage.

Clinton Portis was not in pads and that's a day-to-day process getting him back from the knee tendinitis. The wide receiver is still out with shin splints. Guard Jason Fabini is still out with a groin - Coach Joe said he thinks both are getting close to a return.

Guard Randy Thomas said he believes he has to get some snaps Saturday and wants to be out there for at least a few plays with the first team. Chris Samuels told me he started his cardio work today, his knee is coming along well and he thinks he'll be back in less than four weeks from the time of the injury.

Poor Tyler Ecker might be watching his NFL career flash before his eyes. Still not even in pads with a groin injury. Jerametrius Butler is still out. WR Mike Espy was back at practice

They were playing some fooseball out there today, folks. Lots of hitting, lots of one-on-one drills, lots of blocking drills. Marcus Washington did a number on Ladell Betts in a blitz pick-up drill - all legal, just some contact - and Ladell was getting looked at in his shoulder and neck. Coach Joe says nothing looks to be a big deal, but we are waiting on Bubba Tyer, director of sports medicine, for a full report.

Likewise, Big Mike Sellers had to get some attention on his right knee in the same drill, but returned to practice (Sellers went up against novive LB Matt Sinclair at one point,ate the kid alive, flung him like a ragdoll - Sellers may still have some of the kid's soul still stuck between his teeth - and ended up with Sinclair's helmet in his hands, then tossed it aside like he was flicking sunflower seeds. If I was a Skins fan, that dude would be my favorite player hands down).

 

[dgreen]

Depth chart available on their web site.

No big surprises.

When was the last time a 5-11 team had so few position battles in training camp?

 

[redman]

Depth chart available on their web site.

No big surprises.

When was the last time a 5-11 team had so few position battles in training camp?

Well, the hope here is that health + continuity + development of Jason Campbell is a formula for winning. We'll see.

 

[DCThunder]

Likewise, Big Mike Sellers had to get some attention on his right knee in the same drill, but returned to practice (Sellers went up against novive LB Matt Sinclair at one point,ate the kid alive, flung him like a ragdoll - Sellers may still have some of the kid's soul still stuck between his teeth - and ended up with Sinclair's helmet in his hands, then tossed it aside like he was flicking sunflower seeds. If I was a Skins fan, that dude would be my favorite player hands down).

Doesn't Doc Walker call Sellers "Caveman"?

 

[Trey]

"Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins RB Ladell Betts (neck) did not practice Tuesday, Aug. 7."

Info here?

 

[dgreen]

"Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins RB Ladell Betts (neck) did not practice Tuesday, Aug. 7."Info here?

Marcus Washington ran him over in a blitz drill.

 

[Meast21]

"Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins RB Ladell Betts (neck) did not practice Tuesday, Aug. 7."Info here?

Marcus Washington ran him over in a blitz drill.

He's fine...he was participating in the second practice at 4pm.

 

[Dexter Manley]

"Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins RB Ladell Betts (neck) did not practice Tuesday, Aug. 7."Info here?

Marcus Washington ran him over in a blitz drill.

He's fine...he was participating in the second practice at 4pm.

While I didn't like Betts getting hurt, I was excited to see that Marcus Washington ran him over. Anyone heard how MW's looked so far in camp? Is he close to being fully recovered from hip surgery?

 

[redman]

"Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins RB Ladell Betts (neck) did not practice Tuesday, Aug. 7."Info here?

Marcus Washington ran him over in a blitz drill.

He's fine...he was participating in the second practice at 4pm.

While I didn't like Betts getting hurt, I was excited to see that Marcus Washington ran him over. Anyone heard how MW's looked so far in camp? Is he close to being fully recovered from hip surgery?

They're still taking it slow with him. It's hard to say whether that's just conservative/precautionary, or it's all he can handle.Keep in mind that Washington's entering his fourth season in this defense, so it's not like he needs a lot of reps.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Likewise, Big Mike Sellers had to get some attention on his right knee in the same drill, but returned to practice (Sellers went up against novive LB Matt Sinclair at one point,ate the kid alive, flung him like a ragdoll - Sellers may still have some of the kid's soul still stuck between his teeth - and ended up with Sinclair's helmet in his hands, then tossed it aside like he was flicking sunflower seeds. If I was a Skins fan, that dude would be my favorite player hands down).

Doesn't Doc Walker call Sellers "Caveman"?

Doc Walker rocks.

 

[fatness]

The Redskins have cut offensive lineman Will Whittiker and have signed running back Dee Brown, who played last year in Kansas City.

Link

 

[fatness]

Mike Sellers highlights

You'll like this.

 

[buster c]

Mike Sellers highlights

You'll like this. :(

this is Jerome Bettisas much as I love Portis - and I love Portis - we could have Champ, a 2nd rounder from 3 years ago, and Betts would be the 'scat back' with the laod he brings.

I hate Vinnie

 

[Swing 51]

Mike Sellers highlights

You'll like this. :(

this is Jerome Bettisas much as I love Portis - and I love Portis - we could have Champ, a 2nd rounder from 3 years ago, and Betts would be the 'scat back' with the laod he brings.

I hate Vinnie

Champ was not gonna sign in DC again - reportedly not even for Snyder Money.?

 

[jurb26]

Mike Sellers highlights

You'll like this. :(

this is Jerome Bettisas much as I love Portis - and I love Portis - we could have Champ, a 2nd rounder from 3 years ago, and Betts would be the 'scat back' with the laod he brings.

I hate Vinnie

Champ was not gonna sign in DC again - reportedly not even for Snyder Money.?

Champ wasn't playing half as good then as he is now either.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Great stuff, thanks.

 

[lawrence phillips]

Mike Sellers highlights

You'll like this.

this is Jerome Bettisas much as I love Portis - and I love Portis - we could have Champ, a 2nd rounder from 3 years ago, and Betts would be the 'scat back' with the laod he brings.

I hate Vinnie

Champ was not gonna sign in DC again - reportedly not even for Snyder Money.?

Champ wasn't playing half as good then as he is now either.

While I will not disagree that Champ had his best year ever last year, he definately had some comparable years in DC. I'm not sure undoing the trade would make the Redskins Super Bowl contenders anyways. IF Portis can stay healthy, I think this team could lead the league in rushing offense. As much as I loved that video and as much as I love Mike Sellars, I don't think he could get the outside corner and mow down DE's and LB's like he did in that video clip. Actually I know he can't because he hasn't. Still though, I think Sellars is a pro bowl caliber FB/Special teams guy. One of the more underrated players in the league.

 

[redman]

Mike Sellers highlights

You'll like this.

this is Jerome Bettisas much as I love Portis - and I love Portis - we could have Champ, a 2nd rounder from 3 years ago, and Betts would be the 'scat back' with the laod he brings.

I hate Vinnie

Champ was not gonna sign in DC again - reportedly not even for Snyder Money.?

Champ wasn't playing half as good then as he is now either.

Correct x2.Champ made clear that he wouldn't resign with the 'Skins, making a trade imperative. Given their weak bargaining position, they came out of it quite well with Portis.

My feelings towards Champ are not much helped by the fact that he now plays with the fire and consistency that we only rarely saw from him in Washington.

 

[dgreen]

Mike Sellers highlights

You'll like this.

Mike Sellers vs. Brian Dawkins

 

[redman]

Mike Sellers vs. Brian Dawkins

I loved that when it happened and I still love it.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Who seems likely among LBs to play in the nickel defenses?

 

[Bizkiteer]

Who seems likely among LBs to play in the nickel defenses?

Right now, it's Rocky and Fletcher...and Marcus Washington is playing DE...putting his hand down. Staff have boosted about Rocky being able to cover and his quickness, we all know that Fletch can do it too. Instead of pulling the 3rd LB (traditionally) they are lining him up as a DE and going after the QB. At least that's what they have planned and are doing in camp.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Who seems likely among LBs to play in the nickel defenses?

Right now, it's Rocky and Fletcher...and Marcus Washington is playing DE...putting his hand down. Staff have boosted about Rocky being able to cover and his quickness, we all know that Fletch can do it too. Instead of pulling the 3rd LB (traditionally) they are lining him up as a DE and going after the QB. At least that's what they have planned and are doing in camp.

Thanks for the info.

 

[dgreen]

Who seems likely among LBs to play in the nickel defenses?

Right now, it's Rocky and Fletcher...and Marcus Washington is playing DE...putting his hand down. Staff have boosted about Rocky being able to cover and his quickness, we all know that Fletch can do it too. Instead of pulling the 3rd LB (traditionally) they are lining him up as a DE and going after the QB. At least that's what they have planned and are doing in camp.

Thanks for the info.

Washington LB discussion.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Who seems likely among LBs to play in the nickel defenses?

Right now, it's Rocky and Fletcher...and Marcus Washington is playing DE...putting his hand down. Staff have boosted about Rocky being able to cover and his quickness, we all know that Fletch can do it too. Instead of pulling the 3rd LB (traditionally) they are lining him up as a DE and going after the QB. At least that's what they have planned and are doing in camp.

Thanks for the info.

Np, we just have to watch out for Lions in our den though. On a side note, Id watch out for L. Marshall sneaking some reps from the follow LB'ers though. He's good enough to not sit on the bench, but they don't view him as a FT player/starting LB. So, I'd take much with a pinch of salt and see how it really plays out.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Skins sign Todd Pinkston.

Yikes.