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****OFFICIAL**** Washington Redskins Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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ChrisCooleyFan
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Looks like I'll be going to the Green Bay game in Oct...fatness said:
Right now, Macklin is competing with Jamoh for the 4th CB position. The Redskisn do like to use 3 CBs alot in nickel packages though.
(HULK)
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Ugh. Stop wishing that please.They need to address their D-line.I'd like to see them trade down a little for 2 picks and take D-line w/ both of them.
redman
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Yamato
Footballguy
So you guys think that Gaines Adams or (please NO!) Alan Branch or 20 year old Okoye will improve the defense better than Lance Briggs?A good D-line covers more defensive weaknesses than does anything else.
Yamato
Footballguy
The Redskins need to get a player that improves the defense the most. If they get locked into taking a mediocre guy at a position that they need...I don't call that an improvement. Best defensive guy in the draft is LaRon Laundry. Do you all think drafing him would be a bad idea?
No but I think Gaines Adams/Branch/Okoye plus another DL in the 2nd >>>>> Lance Briggs.So you guys think that Gaines Adams or (please NO!) Alan Branch or 20 year old Okoye will improve the defense better than Lance Briggs?
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Ok, but this is utopia. Chances are we are not going to get Gaines Adams/Branch/Okoye plus another DL. As the other guys arguement, he just saying Briggs, but if we'd also get the #31 pick, which could be used on DL or another S like Merriweather. Let me say that I don't want the Briggs deal, but you can't compare 2 DL's w/ just Briggs. Reality is it's more likely that we walk away with 1 DL or Briggs and DL/S.No but I think Gaines Adams/Branch/Okoye plus another DL in the 2nd >>>>> Lance Briggs.So you guys think that Gaines Adams or (please NO!) Alan Branch or 20 year old Okoye will improve the defense better than Lance Briggs?A good D-line covers more defensive weaknesses than does anything else.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Here is the problem Ya, LB'er most times are as only good as the DL infront of them. It's hard to be an impact LB'er when the DL infront of you sucks. We are borderline sucky, I love the guys, but they are not anywhere near a real threat in NFL DL wise. So, Briggs looks good, but his heavty price tag and the lack of DL infront of him...makes it not as great of it really panning out.So you guys think that Gaines Adams or (please NO!) Alan Branch or 20 year old Okoye will improve the defense better than Lance Briggs?A good D-line covers more defensive weaknesses than does anything else.
fatness
Footballguy
Yes.Lance Briggs would make lots of tackles for the Redskins --- from 5 to 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage --- if they don't improve the D-line.So you guys think that Gaines Adams or (please NO!) Alan Branch or 20 year old Okoye will improve the defense better than Lance Briggs?
2 years ago, when the Redskin D was so good, Cornelius Griffin led the league in tackles behind the line of scrimmage. That's where plays need to be disrupted to have an effective defense.
Yamato
Footballguy
Aren't LB's supposed to fill holes left by the DL? Anyone here ever play linebacker? To me the DL are the disruptors and the LB's are the tacklers who tackle at the line of scrimmage. Look at who are the leaders in tackling every year.Yes.Lance Briggs would make lots of tackles for the Redskins --- from 5 to 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage --- if they don't improve the D-line.So you guys think that Gaines Adams or (please NO!) Alan Branch or 20 year old Okoye will improve the defense better than Lance Briggs?
2 years ago, when the Redskin D was so good, Cornelius Griffin led the league in tackles behind the line of scrimmage. That's where plays need to be disrupted to have an effective defense.
The way I look at it is this. Compare Briggs to McIntosh and Gaines Adams to Carter/Daniel's. Compare Griffin/Salave'a to Okoye or Branch. Where is the biggest upside?
I don't think the Bears are going to trade Briggs. If they did they wouldn't see the playoffs. This is more of a fantasy getting Briggs. And the one thing everyone needs to understand is the linebackers will make the DL better. A better defensive backfield will make the DL better. Like you said 2 years ago they were good...and basically have the same talent now at DL that they had then. They need to put together a better overall package on defense.
The linebackers and the secondary was the reason the Skins D was the worst in the NFl last year...not the defensive line.
fatness
Footballguy
I'll mostly disagree with that. Salavea and Griffin were hurt (and out) or hurt (and playing) most of last year, and they got little or no penetration beyond the line of scrimmage like they did 2 years earlier. That's going to make LB's and DB's look worse.
What I'm saying is I would rather trade the 1.6 for a high 2nd rounder or late 1st PLUS a 3rd or 4th. Take a DL at both picks is much more valuable than upgrading the teams biggest strength.Ok, but this is utopia. Chances are we are not going to get Gaines Adams/Branch/Okoye plus another DL. As the other guys arguement, he just saying Briggs, but if we'd also get the #31 pick, which could be used on DL or another S like Merriweather. Let me say that I don't want the Briggs deal, but you can't compare 2 DL's w/ just Briggs. Reality is it's more likely that we walk away with 1 DL or Briggs and DL/S.No but I think Gaines Adams/Branch/Okoye plus another DL in the 2nd >>>>> Lance Briggs.So you guys think that Gaines Adams or (please NO!) Alan Branch or 20 year old Okoye will improve the defense better than Lance Briggs?A good D-line covers more defensive weaknesses than does anything else.
Yamato
Footballguy
Best case scenario is we get Gaines Adams. He looks like the real deal. If he is there for us at 6 I say get the man. Problem is Detriot also wants him and might take him at 2 or could trade down with Tampa at 4 to get him and another pick. Let's hope Quinn and Peterson go prior to pick 6.They can trade down a couple spots and hope Okoye is there. or trade into the middle of the round and look at getting Jamaal Anderson or Carriker.I still love Landry though. Imagine having 2 Shawn Taylors.I saw a stat that was interesting. In the previous 2 years the Skins LB's and DB's averaged about 20 sacks per year. Last year they had 6 total. Yuck.What I'm saying is I would rather trade the 1.6 for a high 2nd rounder or late 1st PLUS a 3rd or 4th. Take a DL at both picks is much more valuable than upgrading the teams biggest strength.Ok, but this is utopia. Chances are we are not going to get Gaines Adams/Branch/Okoye plus another DL. As the other guys arguement, he just saying Briggs, but if we'd also get the #31 pick, which could be used on DL or another S like Merriweather. Let me say that I don't want the Briggs deal, but you can't compare 2 DL's w/ just Briggs. Reality is it's more likely that we walk away with 1 DL or Briggs and DL/S.No but I think Gaines Adams/Branch/Okoye plus another DL in the 2nd >>>>> Lance Briggs.So you guys think that Gaines Adams or (please NO!) Alan Branch or 20 year old Okoye will improve the defense better than Lance Briggs?
redman
Footballguy
Bizkiteer said:Here is the problem Ya, LB'er most times are as only good as the DL infront of them. It's hard to be an impact LB'er when the DL infront of you sucks. We are borderline sucky, I love the guys, but they are not anywhere near a real threat in NFL DL wise. So, Briggs looks good, but his heavty price tag and the lack of DL infront of him...makes it not as great of it really panning out.Yamato said:So you guys think that Gaines Adams or (please NO!) Alan Branch or 20 year old Okoye will improve the defense better than Lance Briggs?A good D-line covers more defensive weaknesses than does anything else.
In addition, we get no pass rush, which has been killing our pass coverage units. Briggs doesn't help us in that regard as he's not a blitzing LB. I agree that, in a vacuum, if you put Briggs next to any guy we would pick with our 1.06, Briggs will look like a more attractive acquisition because he's already proven himself to be a good NFL player. That's deceptive, though, because he's done it on another defense with a future Hall of Famer next to him at MLB and one of the league's top D-lines in front of him. Don't forget that we already learned how important such considerations are with Trotter. This team needs a DT or DE who can penetrate or disrupt on his own and cause blocking schemes to be shifted his way, which will make everyone else more effective. Remember how effective our defense was with a healthy Griffin in 2004 and 2005? Remember when Daniels got healthy and came alive at the end of 2005? Just one player made all that difference up front. We simply have to stop building our defense from the back to the front. It's been killing us. The defense already has its share of "stars" in guys like Taylor, Griffin, Washington, Fletcher, Springs, etc. What they need are some front line pluggers who allow the stars to be better. I think need predominates in this draft for the 'Skins over a BPA approach, especially given that the "can't miss"/elite prospects figure to be gone by 1.06 anyway.
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What part of trade down for 2 picks did you miss?Also, Lance Briggs is a little over-rated.Yamato said:So you guys think that Gaines Adams or (please NO!) Alan Branch or 20 year old Okoye will improve the defense better than Lance Briggs?
redman
Footballguy
With all due respect, the above is simply incorrect. For every Hall of Fame LB you show me from the last 25 years, I'll show you a guy who had good defensive linemen in front of him. Mike Singletary had Hampton, McMichael, Perry and Dent. LT had Burt, Marshall and Howard. More recently, Ray Lewis had Siragusa, McCrary and Adams. Even Merriman nowadays has arguably the best NT in football in front of him in Jamal Williams. DL make LB's better far, far more than the opposite. As for the 'Skins last year, you're forgetting how injured they were on the d-line. Griffin and Salave'a were injured for most of the year, as were Wynn and Daniels. This was not a healthy group. When they finally did start playing healthy was when not coincidentally Carter started to look like a pretty good DE. The 'Skins back seven on defense, especially with Springs there, is very solid. There really aren't any glaring holes, though I agree they could stand an upgrade at SS (though if Williams' defenses have shown anything it's that they don't need much at SS to be effective). It's their line that really needs an upgrade.Yamato said:
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
I understand completely what you're saying, I just said to get that other pick....we will not get one of the DL you mentioned. UNLESS, another team like Texans or ATL is stupid enough to trade a 2nd to move up a few spots. So, I understand, but trading down is more likely a Carriker (Sp?) and another DL.thayman said:What I'm saying is I would rather trade the 1.6 for a high 2nd rounder or late 1st PLUS a 3rd or 4th. Take a DL at both picks is much more valuable than upgrading the teams biggest strength.Bizkiteer said:Ok, but this is utopia. Chances are we are not going to get Gaines Adams/Branch/Okoye plus another DL. As the other guys arguement, he just saying Briggs, but if we'd also get the #31 pick, which could be used on DL or another S like Merriweather. Let me say that I don't want the Briggs deal, but you can't compare 2 DL's w/ just Briggs. Reality is it's more likely that we walk away with 1 DL or Briggs and DL/S.No but I think Gaines Adams/Branch/Okoye plus another DL in the 2nd >>>>> Lance Briggs.Yamato said:So you guys think that Gaines Adams or (please NO!) Alan Branch or 20 year old Okoye will improve the defense better than Lance Briggs?
Yamato
Footballguy
And what picks do you expect to get? Dropping down 5 spots isnt going to get you a 2nd round pick. We're going to have to drop to the later part o f the first to get a second.Briggs is a good LB. I brought the whole thing up to get a discussion going. I think we need to get Gaines Adams or trade down a little and get Okoye and a 3rd round pick. I like Laundry and he won't drop much past 1.06.And about the whole "you need a DL for a LB to be good" term has a flaw. Lineman benefit from linebackers just as much as LB benefit from DL. It's still a team game the last time I checked. If you have one group who is deficient you will effect the rest of the team. When was the last time a team won the superbowl because of just their DL? Most experts say you need to have a good front 7...not just a good DL.What part of trade down for 2 picks did you miss?Also, Lance Briggs is a little over-rated.Yamato said:So you guys think that Gaines Adams or (please NO!) Alan Branch or 20 year old Okoye will improve the defense better than Lance Briggs?A good D-line covers more defensive weaknesses than does anything else.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I'll go on record and say I absolutely hate the proposed Briggs trade. We traded our 2nd pick this year to get Rocky McIntosh last year to play the same position, and with the signing of Fletcher at MLB, Lemar Marshall slides back over to WLB. It makes no sense to do this deal. Is Briggs a great player? Absolutely. Do we need to use all this cap space and draft equity to get him? Absolutely not.
Here are the Redskins biggest needs, imo:
SDE
DT
OG
SS
My dream scenario would be for the Skins to trade down to the 10 - 15 range, and pick up a 2nd rounder, or a 3rd and a 4th, but this is almost certainly unrealistic. I'm going to assume we don't trade down, and hope to god we don't do the Briggs deal, so we're stuck at #6.
IMO, there are 3 guys who are the closest to being sure things on defense, in this draft:
Landry
Carriker
Willis
Mark off Willis because he's not a need position. That leaves Landry and Carriker. Now I absolutely love Landry, and he's the best defensive player in the draft, imo. But drafting him does cause a couple of problems.
First, the dline which is our biggest need, won't be addressed. Second, I believe next year is Taylor's last year under contract, and he's going to be expensive to resign. When you combine that with how much $$$ it will take to sign Landry, that's simply too much $$$ tied up at safety, imo.
Now that leaves Carriker, right? He's the #1 DE on my board, and the most complete DE in the draft. He is versatile, and can easily move inside to DT on passing downs. Essentially, I think he's a bigger and better version of Kyle Vanden Bosch. So the Skins take Carriker, fill a hole at SDE, and their rush and pass defense should be instantly improved.
But here's the problem. How can we count on the Skins front office to be smart enought to do this? This is the same front office that sign Archuleta to an outrageous deal, instead of resigning Ryan Clark, a better player and team leader, for much less. These guys traded this year's 3rd rounder last season for T.J. Duckett. They inexplicably let Walt Harris walk last year, and all he did is make the pro bowl.
Also, Carriker is not one of the top 6 players in the draft. So they will be filling a need instead of taking the BAP if they draft him. Heck, at this point I'd be ecstatic if Washington could trade down to #9 - #11, get a 3rd round pick, and pick Carriker, who I think will still be there.
I'm scared to death that the Skins are going to take Adams or Okoye at the 6 spot. I would be more in favor of them trading next year's #1 and #2 to move up to #1 this year and take CJ than have them stay put and draft Adams or Okoye.
Here are the Redskins biggest needs, imo:
SDE
DT
OG
SS
My dream scenario would be for the Skins to trade down to the 10 - 15 range, and pick up a 2nd rounder, or a 3rd and a 4th, but this is almost certainly unrealistic. I'm going to assume we don't trade down, and hope to god we don't do the Briggs deal, so we're stuck at #6.
IMO, there are 3 guys who are the closest to being sure things on defense, in this draft:
Landry
Carriker
Willis
Mark off Willis because he's not a need position. That leaves Landry and Carriker. Now I absolutely love Landry, and he's the best defensive player in the draft, imo. But drafting him does cause a couple of problems.
First, the dline which is our biggest need, won't be addressed. Second, I believe next year is Taylor's last year under contract, and he's going to be expensive to resign. When you combine that with how much $$$ it will take to sign Landry, that's simply too much $$$ tied up at safety, imo.
Now that leaves Carriker, right? He's the #1 DE on my board, and the most complete DE in the draft. He is versatile, and can easily move inside to DT on passing downs. Essentially, I think he's a bigger and better version of Kyle Vanden Bosch. So the Skins take Carriker, fill a hole at SDE, and their rush and pass defense should be instantly improved.
But here's the problem. How can we count on the Skins front office to be smart enought to do this? This is the same front office that sign Archuleta to an outrageous deal, instead of resigning Ryan Clark, a better player and team leader, for much less. These guys traded this year's 3rd rounder last season for T.J. Duckett. They inexplicably let Walt Harris walk last year, and all he did is make the pro bowl.
Also, Carriker is not one of the top 6 players in the draft. So they will be filling a need instead of taking the BAP if they draft him. Heck, at this point I'd be ecstatic if Washington could trade down to #9 - #11, get a 3rd round pick, and pick Carriker, who I think will still be there.
I'm scared to death that the Skins are going to take Adams or Okoye at the 6 spot. I would be more in favor of them trading next year's #1 and #2 to move up to #1 this year and take CJ than have them stay put and draft Adams or Okoye.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Pretty articulate, there Dex. Who knew? 
Overall, a well-thought out quality post!
Great to see some new feces, err...fAces contributing to the thread. Welcome aboard!!!
There ought to be plenty of fodder over the next few weeks...looking forward to this thread being a Page One staple for many an upcoming week...
...and to redman and the rest of the regulars - nice work injecting reality into the latest discussion. Sorry I haven't had time to contribute as of late. I'm in training for hosting the FBG contingent at the NFL Draft and that doesn't leave time for much else right now - great to see others whose opinions I respect espousing similar views to my own, though.
Leaving shortly for a weekend wedding in Philly with the g/f. Hoping to get the chance to drop off a turd on the doorstep of 'The Linc' if the opportunity presents itself. Cheers!
Overall, a well-thought out quality post!
Great to see some new feces, err...fAces contributing to the thread. Welcome aboard!!!
There ought to be plenty of fodder over the next few weeks...looking forward to this thread being a Page One staple for many an upcoming week...
...and to redman and the rest of the regulars - nice work injecting reality into the latest discussion. Sorry I haven't had time to contribute as of late. I'm in training for hosting the FBG contingent at the NFL Draft and that doesn't leave time for much else right now - great to see others whose opinions I respect espousing similar views to my own, though.
Leaving shortly for a weekend wedding in Philly with the g/f. Hoping to get the chance to drop off a turd on the doorstep of 'The Linc' if the opportunity presents itself. Cheers!
I'll just be happy if they draft a DL. Adams, Okoye, Carriker.. shoot, there is no guarantee that Carriker will be better then the others. The Redskins scouting dept. is horrid, or it has been in the past, so all I can say is I hope luck is on their side and they pickup somoene who can inject some life in that pass rush.
redman
Footballguy
Count me among those that are becoming big fans of Carriker for all of the reasons stated by Dex. He's got the size to be a SDE, the athleticism to pass rush successfully, and the strength to be a DT on passing downs. Ideally we'd trade down 4-6 spots and get him there, but I wouldn't be offended by drafting him at 1.06.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
The other thing most people don't know about Carriker, is that this last season, he was often grossly miused by NU DC Cosgrove. For example, in the Kansas game, he was instructed to stop and play contain after his initial push upfield on passing downs, because Cosgrove had an irrational fear of KU killing them with shovel passes.This guy is an absolute physical specimen as he has a prototypical SDE body. He's a hard worker, with great character and good leadership abilities. He's nfl ready right now. The other thing is that until the bowl game, John Blake was his Dline coach. Now Blake is one of the best recruiters in the business, but his ability to coach up dlinemen is suspect to say the least.I really think he has a chance to be more of an impact player in the nfl than in college. Down the road one of the other guys might be a better player (or could be a complete bust), but no DE in the draft is as nfl ready as Carriker is now, and the only way this guy is a bust will be due to a serious injury.redman said:
fatness
Footballguy
Warrick Holdman is visiting the Bills (buried at the end of the article, as it should be)
There's some pretty funny disrespect for Holdman in an ongoing thread on a Redskin message board:
Good move for Buffalo. He can replace Fletcher and Spikes!
And of course this Warrick Holdman Mapquest image.
redman
Footballguy
The contrast that also cracked me up when I read it was the fact that a serious news story referred to him as "standout linebacker Warrick Holdman".Warrick Holdman is visiting the Bills (buried at the end of the article, as it should be)
There's some pretty funny disrespect for Holdman in an ongoing thread on a Redskin message board:Good move for Buffalo. He can replace Fletcher and Spikes!
And of course this Warrick Holdman Mapquest image.
I'm very happy to see him go though. That coaching staff gave him way too many opportunities to start. It drove me nuts.
fatness
Footballguy
He was a standout all right. The opposing QB would say in the huddle "You see that guy standing out there? Run at him."The contrast that also cracked me up when I read it was the fact that a serious news story referred to him as "standout linebacker Warrick Holdman".
nygiants56
Footballguy
already have the Redskins as a sleeper team in 2007..
I think they'll surprise everyone.that schedule looks easy as pie , at least for the running game!
this should be a big year for Betts/Portis and Co.
I think they'll surprise everyone.that schedule looks easy as pie , at least for the running game!
this should be a big year for Betts/Portis and Co.
redman
Footballguy
I agree. Campbell should continue to improve going forward, especially given that Saunders' offenses tend to hit full steam in their second season anyway. If the defensive line can stay healthy and, optimally, add some talent in the draft, I'll like the team's chances a lot. Philly will be solid as usual, but with the loss of Tiki in New York and Parcells' retirement in Dallas, I think those two teams are going to be in flux this year. That all adds up to a good opportunity for the 'Skins.already have the Redskins as a sleeper team in 2007..I think they'll surprise everyone.that schedule looks easy as pie , at least for the running game!this should be a big year for Betts/Portis and Co.
Yamato
Footballguy
Let's keep this thread moving guys.
Thanks for all the input regarding obtaining Briggs. I agree we need DL line help more than a LB and I think the guy we get in the draft could be better than Briggs in the overall scheme of things (and for less money).
I'd like to list the players Id like to see the Skins get at 1.06 and where I think they can trade down to get other players.
Players to get at 1.06: Gaines Adams, LaRon Landry This is assuming Charles Johnson, Joe Thomas, Andrian Peterson, Brady Quinn, and Jamarcus Russell are gone. Johnson won't drop but what do the Skins do if Joe Thomas does? Adams probably won't make it either so it looks like we get Landry or hopefully trade down. If Peterson, or Quinn fall to 1.06 I'm hoping it will be time to trade.
Possible trades if Peterson is available at 1.06: Texans 1.10, Bills 1.12, Packers 1.16
Possible trades if Landry is available at 1.06: Falcons 1.08, Panthers 1.14, Packers 1.16
Possible trades if Quinn is available at 1.06: Dolphins 1.09
Dropping to 1.08, 1.09, 1.10 or 1.12 could get us an early 3rd round pick and still could get Carriker, Okoye, Jamaal Anderson, Branch. Dropping to 1.14 or 1.16 I would ask for a 2nd rounder. At 1.16 Anderson or Branch could be available. Players that could fall to us in the second would be DT Tank Tyler, Turk McBride and DE Tim Crowder. 3rd round players that could be available are DE Quinton Moses, Charles Johnson, Ikaika Alama-Francis and DT Ryan McBean.
I don't have a problem getting Laundry at 1.06 but getting Okoye or Jamaal Anderson and getting one of those 2nd or 3rd round players would probably get the skins a better return. Since the draft is deep in DE's getting Okoye and then a Quinton Moses, Charles Johnson or Ikaika Alama-Francis in the third might be the best route.
Best case scenario could be trading with Atlanta to drop to 1.08 and getting Okoye and a 3rd round pick.
Thanks for all the input regarding obtaining Briggs. I agree we need DL line help more than a LB and I think the guy we get in the draft could be better than Briggs in the overall scheme of things (and for less money).
I'd like to list the players Id like to see the Skins get at 1.06 and where I think they can trade down to get other players.
Players to get at 1.06: Gaines Adams, LaRon Landry This is assuming Charles Johnson, Joe Thomas, Andrian Peterson, Brady Quinn, and Jamarcus Russell are gone. Johnson won't drop but what do the Skins do if Joe Thomas does? Adams probably won't make it either so it looks like we get Landry or hopefully trade down. If Peterson, or Quinn fall to 1.06 I'm hoping it will be time to trade.
Possible trades if Peterson is available at 1.06: Texans 1.10, Bills 1.12, Packers 1.16
Possible trades if Landry is available at 1.06: Falcons 1.08, Panthers 1.14, Packers 1.16
Possible trades if Quinn is available at 1.06: Dolphins 1.09
Dropping to 1.08, 1.09, 1.10 or 1.12 could get us an early 3rd round pick and still could get Carriker, Okoye, Jamaal Anderson, Branch. Dropping to 1.14 or 1.16 I would ask for a 2nd rounder. At 1.16 Anderson or Branch could be available. Players that could fall to us in the second would be DT Tank Tyler, Turk McBride and DE Tim Crowder. 3rd round players that could be available are DE Quinton Moses, Charles Johnson, Ikaika Alama-Francis and DT Ryan McBean.
I don't have a problem getting Laundry at 1.06 but getting Okoye or Jamaal Anderson and getting one of those 2nd or 3rd round players would probably get the skins a better return. Since the draft is deep in DE's getting Okoye and then a Quinton Moses, Charles Johnson or Ikaika Alama-Francis in the third might be the best route.
Best case scenario could be trading with Atlanta to drop to 1.08 and getting Okoye and a 3rd round pick.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
ATL is HOT after the same two players we are (other than CJ2), Landry and Okoye! I guess the real question would be...does the FO have strong feelings for either of these guys more than the other? If they don't, then it's doable...if they do, then we need to pick the guy we want at #6.If Peterson or Quinn is there, we could have some trade proposals coming our way. NE is hot for LAndry too, so it's possible they would be willing to deal both their #1's, but they are towards the end of the round (#24 & #28). All I can say is that it will be interesting to say the least. I wouldn't put it past the FO to deal their 2008 #1 for another player on their boards either. I just hope if they do it, they get the guy they want and it's equal value. We always seem to overpay for guys & picks.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Hypothetically speaking, if the Skins do end up drafting Landry, does he play SS or does the beast that is Sean Taylor move to SS and Landry plays FS?
Regarding Okoye, I might actually throw up if they pick this kid at #6. Now Okoye is almost certainly the DT with the most pass rushing upside in this draft. He is extremely quick, and gets excellent penetration on his pass rush. But I've seen him get absolutely blown off the ball on running plays against lesser competition. I know he's only 19, and it's entirely possible that once his body matures, he may hold up way better against olinemen on running plays, but this is way too big of a risk at #6. While it's certainly enticing to envision Griffin and Okoye manning the DT spots in the nickel and dime packages, if you're picking at #6 you have to get a complete player, with perrenial pro bowl potential. His ability to stop the run is too big of a question mark, imo.
As much as I don't like tieing up huge amounts of $$$ at both safety spots, with Taylor having to be resigned after next season, I would definitely prefer the Skins pick Landry over Okoye if that's what it comes down to.
I'm just hoping that AD falls down to us at #6, as this will maximize our chances of being able to trade down. I'm sure Peterson is in the top 3 on many teams boards.
Regarding Okoye, I might actually throw up if they pick this kid at #6. Now Okoye is almost certainly the DT with the most pass rushing upside in this draft. He is extremely quick, and gets excellent penetration on his pass rush. But I've seen him get absolutely blown off the ball on running plays against lesser competition. I know he's only 19, and it's entirely possible that once his body matures, he may hold up way better against olinemen on running plays, but this is way too big of a risk at #6. While it's certainly enticing to envision Griffin and Okoye manning the DT spots in the nickel and dime packages, if you're picking at #6 you have to get a complete player, with perrenial pro bowl potential. His ability to stop the run is too big of a question mark, imo.
As much as I don't like tieing up huge amounts of $$$ at both safety spots, with Taylor having to be resigned after next season, I would definitely prefer the Skins pick Landry over Okoye if that's what it comes down to.
I'm just hoping that AD falls down to us at #6, as this will maximize our chances of being able to trade down. I'm sure Peterson is in the top 3 on many teams boards.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Very well said!
Landry would play SS for us. ST has better covering skills and Landry is more of a true SS than FS. That would make for two BIG hitters back there...WR's would be leary of running a cross pattern, huh?
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Jason LaCanfora gives his thoughts on the top of the draft.
He seems pretty convinced that Oakland is going to take CJ. If that's the case I would think trading up for him is near impossible, or at the very least, I'm sure we'd have to give up far more than I would be comfortable giving up for a WR.
Personally, I'm hoping we come away with Okoye or Carriker and at least one extra pick. Landry is no doubt a top talent, but I think coming away with a top DL does more to improve our defense than a DB would.
He seems pretty convinced that Oakland is going to take CJ. If that's the case I would think trading up for him is near impossible, or at the very least, I'm sure we'd have to give up far more than I would be comfortable giving up for a WR.
Personally, I'm hoping we come away with Okoye or Carriker and at least one extra pick. Landry is no doubt a top talent, but I think coming away with a top DL does more to improve our defense than a DB would.
dgreen
Footballguy
Gregg Williams has always said in his system there is no FS and SS; they are just two safties. I'm not sure exactly what that means, though.Very well said!Landry would play SS for us. ST has better covering skills and Landry is more of a true SS than FS. That would make for two BIG hitters back there...WR's would be leary of running a cross pattern, huh?
fatness
Footballguy
redman
Footballguy
It's too hard to debate trades for specific picks. I'd like for them to trade down as far as they go and still be able to draft Carriker. If they can't trade, they should take Carriker at 1.06.
redman
Footballguy
Agreed re Gaines Adams. They already have an Adams in Carter. They need a guy with lead in his ### who can hold up at the point of attack on strong side running plays, while getting double teamed by the RT and TE. If he can rush the passer on top of that, that's great, and that's why I'm a Carriker fan.
