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***OFFICIAL*** Watchmen movie thread (1 Viewer)

stbnetbloc said:
I haven't read the novel, but I enjoyed the film. It picked up really slow, but by the second hour it weaved together the philosophical and psychological issues well, I thought. And I really liked that very last scene.

I hear a lot about how the movie "should have" been more of this or less of that. Here's an interesting take by someone who is a big fan of the novel: 10 Things People Don't Seem to Get About the Watchmen.
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Those were all great observations. Thanks for the link.
 
Just saw it on IMAX as a result of reading this thread.With no background knowledge whatsoever, I tought the film was fantastic.I found a new sig too... the best line I've heard in a while.

None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!
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I loved the movie. I hadn't seen this posted yet but this is the closest analogy I can give those who may not have seen it or saw it but didn't like it.

The Watchmen was to superhero storylines what Unforgiven was to western storylines.

I cannot see how anyone who enjoyed Unforgiven would not appreciate this movie as it shares the same qualities (only the settings are different - superheros vs cowboys).

I'm looking forward to it coming out on DVD so I can watch it again (as I do Unforgiven).

J

 
The more I think about this movie, the more I feel the way I did after watching Pulp Fiction, the Kill Bill movies, and 300. Stylized, generally action packed, and really great camerawork. This movie is going to be a hit on the rental circuit, I think. If there had never been a huge fanboy base complaining about this movie before it even came out, it would be one of the biggest movies of the last year or so IMO.

 
Thought the movie was long and slow paced. I read up about Watchmen before watching the movie, but I felt the movie did not live up to all the hype. I give it 3/5. People who know a lot about Watchmen and have read the book will love the movie, but those people who go in not knowing much may find it a bit boring and slow.

 
steelcitysledgehammers said:
I loved the movie. I hadn't seen this posted yet but this is the closest analogy I can give those who may not have seen it or saw it but didn't like it.The Watchmen was to superhero storylines what Unforgiven was to western storylines.I cannot see how anyone who enjoyed Unforgiven would not appreciate this movie as it shares the same qualities (only the settings are different - superheros vs cowboys).I'm looking forward to it coming out on DVD so I can watch it again (as I do Unforgiven).J
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I see where you are coming from with the comparison, but Unforgiven was a vastly superior movie. For obvious reasons the screenplay was much tighter, and the acting can't even be reasonably compared.
 
stbnetbloc said:
I hear a lot about how the movie "should have" been more of this or less of that. Here's an interesting take by someone who is a big fan of the novel: 10 Things People Don't Seem to Get About the Watchmen.
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Nice food for thought, although I strongly disagree with the guy's first point. This bit, in particular: "As such, there's very little negative commentary that any fan of the book can level at this film, because what does AND doesn't work on the screen has been lifted almost completely from the comic itself. To criticize the film is, fundamentally, to criticize the book." The reason I criticize the film has nothing to do with the visual qualities of the film. My disappointment stems from the way it was adapted, and what was left on the cutting room floor. As the author acknowledges, this fan-service approach to filmmaking sometimes hinders the actual storytelling, so I'm not exactly sure where he's coming from with the above statement. The criticisms that can be leveled at the movie are directly related to Snyder ignoring the reality that some things that work in a comic book won't necessarily work on a movie screen.
 
Just got back from seeing this...

I though "Sin City" was a big hunk of fanboy crap. "OMG it looks just like a comic book!" got old after 15 minutes.

Same with "300". I turned that off after 20 minutes.

The last graphic novel I read was when my kids were little and the Berenstein Bears were in it.

"Batman Begins" was about the only 'superhero' movie I'd watch again...but maybe only once. I have yet to see 'The Dark Night' or whatever.

All that being said "Watchmen" was out-freaking-standing. They had me hooked once I figured out that having Nixon on TV one second and the MTV logo on the next wasn't an anachronism. And thank God they only used that goofy comic book styling during the opening montage.

 
Reg Lllama of Brixton said:
Just got back from seeing this...I though "Sin City" was a big hunk of fanboy crap. "OMG it looks just like a comic book!" got old after 15 minutes.Same with "300". I turned that off after 20 minutes.The last graphic novel I read was when my kids were little and the Berenstein Bears were in it."Batman Begins" was about the only 'superhero' movie I'd watch again...but maybe only once. I have yet to see 'The Dark Night' or whatever.All that being said "Watchmen" was out-freaking-standing. They had me hooked once I figured out that having Nixon on TV one second and the MTV logo on the next wasn't an anachronism. And thank God they only used that goofy comic book styling during the opening montage.
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:confused: :bag:
 
I found it outstanding. A thinking persons comic book movie. I will need to see it again at least once to get the full effect as I know I missed some stuff. I agree Rorshach stole this movie. I don't remember ever seeing that guy before but he needs more work.

 
NCCommish said:
I found it outstanding. A thinking persons comic book movie. I will need to see it again at least once to get the full effect as I know I missed some stuff. I agree Rorshach stole this movie. I don't remember ever seeing that guy before but he needs more work.
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You probably have, just not as an adult. He was Kelly Leak, the motorcycle riding bad boy in the Bad News Bears movies and a few coming of age flicks.Link

 
mad sweeney said:
NCCommish said:
I found it outstanding. A thinking persons comic book movie. I will need to see it again at least once to get the full effect as I know I missed some stuff. I agree Rorshach stole this movie. I don't remember ever seeing that guy before but he needs more work.
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You probably have, just not as an adult. He was Kelly Leak, the motorcycle riding bad boy in the Bad News Bears movies and a few coming of age flicks.Link
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Wow. I would have never guessed. Dude owned this role.
 
stbnetbloc said:
I haven't read the novel, but I enjoyed the film. It picked up really slow, but by the second hour it weaved together the philosophical and psychological issues well, I thought. And I really liked that very last scene.

I hear a lot about how the movie "should have" been more of this or less of that. Here's an interesting take by someone who is a big fan of the novel: 10 Things People Don't Seem to Get About the Watchmen.
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Same for me. The first half of the movie was extremely confusing, but by the time you got your head around the characters it was really enjoyable.A pretty sophisticated movie for a comic book movie.

 
mad sweeney said:
NCCommish said:
I found it outstanding. A thinking persons comic book movie. I will need to see it again at least once to get the full effect as I know I missed some stuff. I agree Rorshach stole this movie. I don't remember ever seeing that guy before but he needs more work.
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You probably have, just not as an adult. He was Kelly Leak, the motorcycle riding bad boy in the Bad News Bears movies and a few coming of age flicks.Link
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Whoa!He was in Breaking Away too, I believe.

"I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!" was the line of the movie.

 
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shining path said:
mad sweeney said:
NCCommish said:
I found it outstanding. A thinking persons comic book movie. I will need to see it again at least once to get the full effect as I know I missed some stuff. I agree Rorshach stole this movie. I don't remember ever seeing that guy before but he needs more work.
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You probably have, just not as an adult. He was Kelly Leak, the motorcycle riding bad boy in the Bad News Bears movies and a few coming of age flicks.Link
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Whoa!He was in Breaking Away too, I believe.
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Don't forget to punch the clock, shorty.
 
NCCommish said:
mad sweeney said:
NCCommish said:
I found it outstanding. A thinking persons comic book movie. I will need to see it again at least once to get the full effect as I know I missed some stuff. I agree Rorshach stole this movie. I don't remember ever seeing that guy before but he needs more work.
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You probably have, just not as an adult. He was Kelly Leak, the motorcycle riding bad boy in the Bad News Bears movies and a few coming of age flicks.Link
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Wow. I would have never guessed. Dude owned this role.
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He's got a large role in Shutter Island, which if it is half as good as the book, then it will be terrific.
 
Finally saw it over this past weekend.

Couple quick notes:

Casting was great.

Wish they had spent more time on the New Frontiersman storyline. The lack of any mention of it kinda took away from the ending.

Really dislike replacing the alien invasion with Dr. Manahattan "going rogue."

Since they got rid of the alien invasion angle, the Ozy's space cat was kinda pointless since the cat was more of a testament to his powers with genetic engineering (to do something like genetically engineering an alien)

defintely more interested in the director's cut, although I doubt they put the alien back in.

 
I enjoyed it. I read the book a couple of years ago, I planned on re-reading it but never got around to it. I didn't think the book was that spectacular so I suspect I probably missed a lot of the nuances that make everyone else think it is so great.

Because of that, I didn't find the movie lacking and enjoyed it.

It is a shame that some of the themes in the book have been played out in other stories/tv/movies because they lose some of their weight when they become familiar. If you read the book when it first came out, it must have kicked tail.

 
awesome link, dude.

I thought the comic was cool, and the movie was pretty much not, so I'd def watch the motion comic if you don't feel like reading the comic.

although, I guess seeing teh movie, the whole thing's kind of spoiled.

 
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Fascinating:

Zack Snyder says he made Watchmen to save it from “the Terry Gilliams of this world”

Late last week, producer Joel Silver reopened the most pressing debate of 2009 by criticizing Zack Snyder’s adaptation of Watchmen, faulting the director for being too much of a “slave” to Alan Moore’s material to take any real chances (besides using Leonard Cohen as aural Viagra). Among Silver’s evidence that Gilliam would have made a “MUCH much better movie” was the alternate ending that’s now playing only in the multiplex that hosts all of Gilliam’s unfinished projects, in which Doctor Manhattan destroys himself to save everyone else. Now Snyder has fired back, telling The Huffington Post of how he took on Watchmen, in that same sacrificial spirit, to “save it from the Terry Gilliams of this world.”

Deeming the proposed Gilliam ending “completely insane,” Snyder insists that he made Watchmen “because I knew that the studio would have made the movie anyway and they would have made it crazy.” Instead, Snyder reminds, he tried to stay faithful to the overall story, saying, “The morality tale of the graphic novel is still told exactly as it was told in the graphic novel—I used slightly different devices” in reimagining its climax, but that those devices arose organically from the source material. “I would not have grabbed something from out of the air and said, ‘Oh, here's a cool ending’ just because it's cool,” says Snyder, who loaded his Watchmen with plenty of slow-motion, bone-breaking action scenes set to thumping techno music.

Still, whether or not you agree that Zack Snyder’s Watchmen was, at the very least, not as baffling as Terry Gilliam’s might have been, chances are you’re not assessing it correctly either way. “I always believe the movies I've made are smarter than the way they are perceived by sort of mass culture and by the critics,” Snyder said, a statement he immediately followed by saying, “Also, ‘It looks like a video game.’ Well, maybe it's supposed to look like a video game”—suggesting maybe Zack Snyder does have a firmer grasp of irony than Watchmen might lead you to believe.
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Never a fan of, "Well I could have done better." Then do it. Talk is cheap.

 
jdoggydogg said:
Fascinating:

Zack Snyder says he made Watchmen to save it from “the Terry Gilliams of this world”

Late last week, producer Joel Silver reopened the most pressing debate of 2009 by criticizing Zack Snyder’s adaptation of Watchmen, faulting the director for being too much of a “slave” to Alan Moore’s material to take any real chances (besides using Leonard Cohen as aural Viagra). Among Silver’s evidence that Gilliam would have made a “MUCH much better movie” was the alternate ending that’s now playing only in the multiplex that hosts all of Gilliam’s unfinished projects, in which Doctor Manhattan destroys himself to save everyone else. Now Snyder has fired back, telling The Huffington Post of how he took on Watchmen, in that same sacrificial spirit, to “save it from the Terry Gilliams of this world.”

Deeming the proposed Gilliam ending “completely insane,” Snyder insists that he made Watchmen “because I knew that the studio would have made the movie anyway and they would have made it crazy.” Instead, Snyder reminds, he tried to stay faithful to the overall story, saying, “The morality tale of the graphic novel is still told exactly as it was told in the graphic novel—I used slightly different devices” in reimagining its climax, but that those devices arose organically from the source material. “I would not have grabbed something from out of the air and said, ‘Oh, here's a cool ending’ just because it's cool,” says Snyder, who loaded his Watchmen with plenty of slow-motion, bone-breaking action scenes set to thumping techno music.

Still, whether or not you agree that Zack Snyder’s Watchmen was, at the very least, not as baffling as Terry Gilliam’s might have been, chances are you’re not assessing it correctly either way. “I always believe the movies I've made are smarter than the way they are perceived by sort of mass culture and by the critics,” Snyder said, a statement he immediately followed by saying, “Also, ‘It looks like a video game.’ Well, maybe it's supposed to look like a video game”—suggesting maybe Zack Snyder does have a firmer grasp of irony than Watchmen might lead you to believe.
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Never a fan of, "Well I could have done better." Then do it. Talk is cheap.
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That wouldn't have made it any better. What would've made it better is if they kept with the artificial alien plot.

 
jdoggydogg said:
Sarnoff said:
Still like the movie, but the blu-ray release was terrible. Wildly inconsistent audio.
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Really? That's odd. Describe it.
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In order to hear Nite Owl's whispering when showing Silk Specter II the ship, the volume has to be at a minimum level that's fairly high. Then all the big scenes are way overblown and far too loud. Overall, watching the blu-ray requires riding the volume button the whole movie.

 
Sarnoff said:
jdoggydogg said:
Sarnoff said:
Still like the movie, but the blu-ray release was terrible. Wildly inconsistent audio.
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Really? That's odd. Describe it.
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In order to hear Nite Owl's whispering when showing Silk Specter II the ship, the volume has to be at a minimum level that's fairly high. Then all the big scenes are way overblown and far too loud. Overall, watching the blu-ray requires riding the volume button the whole movie.
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Actually, this describes a lot of modern movies. It's as if the sound editors want you to damage your hearing.

 
jdoggydogg said:
Sarnoff said:
jdoggydogg said:
Sarnoff said:
Still like the movie, but the blu-ray release was terrible. Wildly inconsistent audio.
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Really? That's odd. Describe it.
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In order to hear Nite Owl's whispering when showing Silk Specter II the ship, the volume has to be at a minimum level that's fairly high. Then all the big scenes are way overblown and far too loud. Overall, watching the blu-ray requires riding the volume button the whole movie.
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Actually, this describes a lot of modern movies. It's as if the sound editors want you to damage your hearing.
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They're mixed once for the theatrical release, in which the audio is recorded in a certain way that makes sense with how theaters play back sound and the kind of speakers they use and where they're placed. The problem is studios rarely want to pay to re-mix for most home theater setups (5.1 and stereo left/right options), they just dub all the noise onto the stereo tracks, without adjusting the relative levels. Instead of a balanced playback, you get all the noise added together into a heap.

 
jdoggydogg said:
Sarnoff said:
jdoggydogg said:
Sarnoff said:
Still like the movie, but the blu-ray release was terrible. Wildly inconsistent audio.
Click to expand...
Really? That's odd. Describe it.
Click to expand...
In order to hear Nite Owl's whispering when showing Silk Specter II the ship, the volume has to be at a minimum level that's fairly high. Then all the big scenes are way overblown and far too loud. Overall, watching the blu-ray requires riding the volume button the whole movie.
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Actually, this describes a lot of modern movies. It's as if the sound editors want you to damage your hearing.
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I think it comes down to what works on a movie theater sound system doesn't work on a TV/Home Theater sound system, but studios are too lazy/cheap to remaster the sound.

 
Rayderr said:
jdoggydogg said:
Fascinating:

Zack Snyder says he made Watchmen to save it from the Terry Gilliams of this world

Late last week, producer Joel Silver reopened the most pressing debate of 2009 by criticizing Zack Snyders adaptation of Watchmen, faulting the director for being too much of a slave to Alan Moores material to take any real chances (besides using Leonard Cohen as aural Viagra). Among Silvers evidence that Gilliam would have made a MUCH much better movie was the alternate ending thats now playing only in the multiplex that hosts all of Gilliams unfinished projects, in which Doctor Manhattan destroys himself to save everyone else. Now Snyder has fired back, telling The Huffington Post of how he took on Watchmen, in that same sacrificial spirit, to save it from the Terry Gilliams of this world.

Deeming the proposed Gilliam ending completely insane, Snyder insists that he made Watchmen because I knew that the studio would have made the movie anyway and they would have made it crazy. Instead, Snyder reminds, he tried to stay faithful to the overall story, saying, The morality tale of the graphic novel is still told exactly as it was told in the graphic novelI used slightly different devices in reimagining its climax, but that those devices arose organically from the source material. I would not have grabbed something from out of the air and said, Oh, here's a cool ending just because it's cool, says Snyder, who loaded his Watchmen with plenty of slow-motion, bone-breaking action scenes set to thumping techno music.

Still, whether or not you agree that Zack Snyders Watchmen was, at the very least, not as baffling as Terry Gilliams might have been, chances are youre not assessing it correctly either way. I always believe the movies I've made are smarter than the way they are perceived by sort of mass culture and by the critics, Snyder said, a statement he immediately followed by saying, Also, It looks like a video game. Well, maybe it's supposed to look like a video gamesuggesting maybe Zack Snyder does have a firmer grasp of irony than Watchmen might lead you to believe.
Click to expand...
Never a fan of, "Well I could have done better." Then do it. Talk is cheap.
Click to expand...
That wouldn't have made it any better. What would've made it better is if they kept with the artificial alien plot.
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Yeah, his criticism of changing the ending is absurd since he derailed the QUINTESSENTUAL FRACKING POINT OF THE COMIC!!!
 
Rayderr said:
jdoggydogg said:
Fascinating:

Zack Snyder says he made Watchmen to save it from the Terry Gilliams of this world

Late last week, producer Joel Silver reopened the most pressing debate of 2009 by criticizing Zack Snyders adaptation of Watchmen, faulting the director for being too much of a slave to Alan Moores material to take any real chances (besides using Leonard Cohen as aural Viagra). Among Silvers evidence that Gilliam would have made a MUCH much better movie was the alternate ending thats now playing only in the multiplex that hosts all of Gilliams unfinished projects, in which Doctor Manhattan destroys himself to save everyone else. Now Snyder has fired back, telling The Huffington Post of how he took on Watchmen, in that same sacrificial spirit, to save it from the Terry Gilliams of this world.

Deeming the proposed Gilliam ending completely insane, Snyder insists that he made Watchmen because I knew that the studio would have made the movie anyway and they would have made it crazy. Instead, Snyder reminds, he tried to stay faithful to the overall story, saying, The morality tale of the graphic novel is still told exactly as it was told in the graphic novelI used slightly different devices in reimagining its climax, but that those devices arose organically from the source material. I would not have grabbed something from out of the air and said, Oh, here's a cool ending just because it's cool, says Snyder, who loaded his Watchmen with plenty of slow-motion, bone-breaking action scenes set to thumping techno music.

Still, whether or not you agree that Zack Snyders Watchmen was, at the very least, not as baffling as Terry Gilliams might have been, chances are youre not assessing it correctly either way. I always believe the movies I've made are smarter than the way they are perceived by sort of mass culture and by the critics, Snyder said, a statement he immediately followed by saying, Also, It looks like a video game. Well, maybe it's supposed to look like a video gamesuggesting maybe Zack Snyder does have a firmer grasp of irony than Watchmen might lead you to believe.
Click to expand...
Never a fan of, "Well I could have done better." Then do it. Talk is cheap.
Click to expand...
That wouldn't have made it any better. What would've made it better is if they kept with the artificial alien plot.
Click to expand...
Yeah, his criticism of changing the ending is absurd since he derailed the QUINTESSENTUAL FRACKING POINT OF THE COMIC!!!
 
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