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***OFFICIAL*** Watchmen movie thread (1 Viewer)
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saintfool
Dead sexy
videoguy505
Footballguy
FOX is suing Warner Bros, claiming that they don't have full rights to make the movie, and that produciton must be halted:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/conten...e4befec534c5382
Uuuuugh.... such a long delay already. Decades. Not now with the finish line in sight!
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/conten...e4befec534c5382
Uuuuugh.... such a long delay already. Decades. Not now with the finish line in sight!
snitwitch
Footballguy
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
It's worth practically nothing. That's a fantastic series, but it wasn't popular enough to make the series a collector's item. Of course, the film could change that.so what is the #1 issue of that comic worth these days? I remember buying that, and never even opening it.But its sealed in a bag somewhere around here.
Moe Green
Footballguy
Not true -- graded, unread copies on eBay have been going for $100 or more.It's worth practically nothing. That's a fantastic series, but it wasn't popular enough to make the series a collector's item. Of course, the film could change that.so what is the #1 issue of that comic worth these days? I remember buying that, and never even opening it.But its sealed in a bag somewhere around here.
videoguy505
Footballguy
Thanks for the tip!
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Graded being the key. The grading costs $30, and unless you have a 9.5 or higher, you won't get much.Not true -- graded, unread copies on eBay have been going for $100 or more.It's worth practically nothing. That's a fantastic series, but it wasn't popular enough to make the series a collector's item. Of course, the film could change that.so what is the #1 issue of that comic worth these days? I remember buying that, and never even opening it.But its sealed in a bag somewhere around here.
videoguy505
Footballguy
Yeah, some of the other materials may be worth more, but the issues individually not much. I know they put out a set of cover posters, and the art pages are sometimes (although rarely) put out on Ebay (usually got for $3K+).
falconeyed
Footballguy
I'm reading this graphic novel right now and I have to say it's sort of dragging ### a bit. Of course, I will still go happily see the movie as Carla Gugino is ... well ... super purrty and stuff.
videoguy505
Footballguy
Comparison of the movie character one-sheets to the original ones from the '86 comic release: http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer-news/87
bosoxs45
Footballguy
started reading it as well.good stuff.
SierraKiloBravo
Footballguy
It's a shame that the movie is going to die as a result of the intellectual property suit between the studios.
timschochet
Footballguy
It's not an action story. It's a character study. And it also says some very powerful things about post-war America, and the nuclear age. This is part of the reason I don't think it will be that effective as a movie, though it is one of the best things I have ever read. Some novels simply don't lend themselves to movies. The trailer for the movie had great visuals, but again, it's not the visual of the story that's important.
Pooch
More Yang than Yin
Just finished reading the graphic novel a few weeks ago in anticipation of seeing the movie. It truly is more of a character study than an action story but I'm sure it'll be jazzed up appropriately for the movie. Dr. Manhattan alone should generate enough special effects to keep it lively.
The novel is fantastic BTW and I highly recommend it. Incredible artwork to boot.
The novel is fantastic BTW and I highly recommend it. Incredible artwork to boot.
biggamer3
Footballguy
http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1596149/story.jhtml
'Watchmen' Sneak Peek: A Shot-By-Shot Look At Jaw-Dropping New Footage
MTV News caught 20 minutes of new material.
By Shawn Adler
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It's the apex of the form, the so-called "Citizen Kane" of comic-books, the only graphic novel to appear on Time magazine's list of the 100 greatest English-language novels.
Leave it to director Zack Snyder to make a film that, by all indications, is actually going to live up to it.
MTV News was among a handful of outlets invited to view about 20 minutes of occasionally incomplete footage from the upcoming "Watchmen," including its cold open and astonishing credit montage. (Footage was also screened at Comic-Con in July; watch Snyder talk about the trailer here.)
(For more news from the event check out Splash Page.)
Because the movie departs (in some minor ways) from Alan Moore's graphic novel, consider this your one spoiler alert if you'd like to remain completely fresh.
Cold open: "It's a joke. It's all a joke."
The film opens with a yellow screen, against which the familiar logos for Warner Bros. and DC Comics are superimposed. Imperceptibly at first, the camera zooms out, revealing bit by bit something larger — a smiley-face button — and still more, until the button's wearer, the Comedian (Jeffrey Dean Morgan), is seen in full view. He's in his apartment making a cup of tea, watching a "McLaughlin Group"-esque group of talking heads (including Eleanor Clift and Pat Buchanan!) discuss the rising Russian aggression.
For several moments, their voices are all that's heard. One asks if Russia will attack. Another responds that they might, not knowing that the U.S. has a walking nuclear arsenal, Dr. Manhattan. And yet, Russia continues to stockpile weapons, the third chimes in. The Doomsday Clock moves three minutes to midnight as the Comedian looks bemused. He flips the channel and sees President Nixon giving a speech, flips it again and watches snippets of a Veidt perfume commercial, which blares Nat King Cole's "Unforgettable" through his speakers.
Suddenly, a hooded figure appears outside his door, smashing it in. "Just a matter of time, I suppose," the Comedian says matter-of-factly to the intruder. He throws a coffee cup, the intruder sways, reaches for a gun, the intruder bobs, throws several knifes (which he literally grabs out of the air). "It's a joke," the Comedian laughs through blood. "It's all a joke."
The fight is all but over. As "Unforgettable" continues to play, the burly Comedian is thrown around his apartment, smashed into tables and walls (one of which has the Sally Jupiter pinup poster leaked online last month), and, finally, mercifully, thrown out the window to his death. His smiley-face pin hits the ground seconds after, blood staining its clear, yellow surface.
The camera zooms into the button as Bob Dylan's "The Times They Are A-Changin' " plays; the credit montage then begins.
In a brief introduction before the footage, Snyder explained that the credit montage was a way to showcase a lot of the film's backstory, which stretches from the late 1930s to the mid-'80s. It's the type of sequence you wish you could watch 50 times. As Dylan twangs, the following shots are shown in slow-motion:
» The original Nite Owl punching a criminal outside of a theater
» Sally Jupiter at the head of a press conference, holding a newspaper that reads "World Goes Ga-Ga Over Silk Spectre"
» A photo opportunity for the original Minutemen
» Americans celebrating V-J Day in Times Square in 1945, when Silhouette, a lesbian, kisses a nurse, replacing the sailor in the famous photograph
» Dollar Bill shot dead, his cape stuck in a door
» Mothman being dragged to a mental hospital against his will
» A shot of young Rorschach alone in a hallway, a seemingly revolving door of men entering his mother's room
» Dr. Manhattan shaking hands with John F. Kennedy ... soon seen being shot in Dallas, with Jacqueline Kennedy falling over the trunk. A pan reveals none other than the Comedian on the grassy knoll.
» Young Laurie Juspeczyk (Silk Spectre II) running into her parents' bedroom amidst an argument
» Silhouette dead, gutted on her bed beside her lover
» Two criminals tied to a fire hydrant, the only clue a Rorschach puzzle beside their limp bodies
» Andy Warhol exhibiting a gallery piece of Nite Owl in the style of his Marilyn Monroe portraits
» Neil Armstrong landing on the moon, saying the apocryphal "Good luck, Mr. Gorsky." The videographer is none other than Dr. Manhattan, naked, beside him.
» A hippy student placing a flower into the muzzle of a gun — seconds before getting shot
» A retirement party for Sally, framed like DaVinci's "Last Supper"
» Ozymandias outside Studio 54 in NYC, where he shakes hands with David Bowie
» The new Crimebusters gather for an updated portrait
» President Nixon on TV, the bottom crawl reading "Term Limits Repealed." The camera zooms out to showcase the TV in a windowed showroom. A graffiti artist is painting the words "Who Watches the Watchmen" when a Molotov cocktail is thrown through the glass, exploding the screen.
» Dr. Manhattan's Origin: "I feel fear for the last time."
If some of the earlier material was tonally faithful rather than literally so, Dr. Manhattan's origin sequence is where the true brilliance of Alan Moore is allowed to shine through, unabridged. Just like in the novel, the action jumps from one seemingly random point in time to another, as Manhattan is heard in voiceover explaining his transformation: A young Jon Osterman fixes a watch as his father looks on; he attends a carnival with his new girlfriend; he finds himself trapped in a field chamber; he transforms, then re-appears, first as a circulatory system, then in full glory. "My God!" people scream. He trains with the government, "They are shaping me into something gaudy, something lethal," he says. Armed thugs are eviscerated, their innards exploding against the ceiling. A friend dies of cancer. He escapes to Mars.
A photograph of happier times is dropped on the dusty, red, Martian surface. A glass palace emerges, ticking clockwork, from the sand as the sun rises.
"It's too late," Manhattan says, mournfully. "Always has been. Always will be. Too late."
"Watchmen" opens March 6, 2009.
'Watchmen' Sneak Peek: A Shot-By-Shot Look At Jaw-Dropping New Footage
MTV News caught 20 minutes of new material.
By Shawn Adler
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It's the apex of the form, the so-called "Citizen Kane" of comic-books, the only graphic novel to appear on Time magazine's list of the 100 greatest English-language novels.
Leave it to director Zack Snyder to make a film that, by all indications, is actually going to live up to it.
MTV News was among a handful of outlets invited to view about 20 minutes of occasionally incomplete footage from the upcoming "Watchmen," including its cold open and astonishing credit montage. (Footage was also screened at Comic-Con in July; watch Snyder talk about the trailer here.)
(For more news from the event check out Splash Page.)
Because the movie departs (in some minor ways) from Alan Moore's graphic novel, consider this your one spoiler alert if you'd like to remain completely fresh.
Cold open: "It's a joke. It's all a joke."
The film opens with a yellow screen, against which the familiar logos for Warner Bros. and DC Comics are superimposed. Imperceptibly at first, the camera zooms out, revealing bit by bit something larger — a smiley-face button — and still more, until the button's wearer, the Comedian (Jeffrey Dean Morgan), is seen in full view. He's in his apartment making a cup of tea, watching a "McLaughlin Group"-esque group of talking heads (including Eleanor Clift and Pat Buchanan!) discuss the rising Russian aggression.
For several moments, their voices are all that's heard. One asks if Russia will attack. Another responds that they might, not knowing that the U.S. has a walking nuclear arsenal, Dr. Manhattan. And yet, Russia continues to stockpile weapons, the third chimes in. The Doomsday Clock moves three minutes to midnight as the Comedian looks bemused. He flips the channel and sees President Nixon giving a speech, flips it again and watches snippets of a Veidt perfume commercial, which blares Nat King Cole's "Unforgettable" through his speakers.
Suddenly, a hooded figure appears outside his door, smashing it in. "Just a matter of time, I suppose," the Comedian says matter-of-factly to the intruder. He throws a coffee cup, the intruder sways, reaches for a gun, the intruder bobs, throws several knifes (which he literally grabs out of the air). "It's a joke," the Comedian laughs through blood. "It's all a joke."
The fight is all but over. As "Unforgettable" continues to play, the burly Comedian is thrown around his apartment, smashed into tables and walls (one of which has the Sally Jupiter pinup poster leaked online last month), and, finally, mercifully, thrown out the window to his death. His smiley-face pin hits the ground seconds after, blood staining its clear, yellow surface.
The camera zooms into the button as Bob Dylan's "The Times They Are A-Changin' " plays; the credit montage then begins.
In a brief introduction before the footage, Snyder explained that the credit montage was a way to showcase a lot of the film's backstory, which stretches from the late 1930s to the mid-'80s. It's the type of sequence you wish you could watch 50 times. As Dylan twangs, the following shots are shown in slow-motion:
» The original Nite Owl punching a criminal outside of a theater
» Sally Jupiter at the head of a press conference, holding a newspaper that reads "World Goes Ga-Ga Over Silk Spectre"
» A photo opportunity for the original Minutemen
» Americans celebrating V-J Day in Times Square in 1945, when Silhouette, a lesbian, kisses a nurse, replacing the sailor in the famous photograph
» Dollar Bill shot dead, his cape stuck in a door
» Mothman being dragged to a mental hospital against his will
» A shot of young Rorschach alone in a hallway, a seemingly revolving door of men entering his mother's room
» Dr. Manhattan shaking hands with John F. Kennedy ... soon seen being shot in Dallas, with Jacqueline Kennedy falling over the trunk. A pan reveals none other than the Comedian on the grassy knoll.
» Young Laurie Juspeczyk (Silk Spectre II) running into her parents' bedroom amidst an argument
» Silhouette dead, gutted on her bed beside her lover
» Two criminals tied to a fire hydrant, the only clue a Rorschach puzzle beside their limp bodies
» Andy Warhol exhibiting a gallery piece of Nite Owl in the style of his Marilyn Monroe portraits
» Neil Armstrong landing on the moon, saying the apocryphal "Good luck, Mr. Gorsky." The videographer is none other than Dr. Manhattan, naked, beside him.
» A hippy student placing a flower into the muzzle of a gun — seconds before getting shot
» A retirement party for Sally, framed like DaVinci's "Last Supper"
» Ozymandias outside Studio 54 in NYC, where he shakes hands with David Bowie
» The new Crimebusters gather for an updated portrait
» President Nixon on TV, the bottom crawl reading "Term Limits Repealed." The camera zooms out to showcase the TV in a windowed showroom. A graffiti artist is painting the words "Who Watches the Watchmen" when a Molotov cocktail is thrown through the glass, exploding the screen.
» Dr. Manhattan's Origin: "I feel fear for the last time."
If some of the earlier material was tonally faithful rather than literally so, Dr. Manhattan's origin sequence is where the true brilliance of Alan Moore is allowed to shine through, unabridged. Just like in the novel, the action jumps from one seemingly random point in time to another, as Manhattan is heard in voiceover explaining his transformation: A young Jon Osterman fixes a watch as his father looks on; he attends a carnival with his new girlfriend; he finds himself trapped in a field chamber; he transforms, then re-appears, first as a circulatory system, then in full glory. "My God!" people scream. He trains with the government, "They are shaping me into something gaudy, something lethal," he says. Armed thugs are eviscerated, their innards exploding against the ceiling. A friend dies of cancer. He escapes to Mars.
A photograph of happier times is dropped on the dusty, red, Martian surface. A glass palace emerges, ticking clockwork, from the sand as the sun rises.
"It's too late," Manhattan says, mournfully. "Always has been. Always will be. Too late."
"Watchmen" opens March 6, 2009.
Dexter
Footballguy
Dexter
Footballguy
New Watchmen trailer playing before the new Bond movie
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/watchmen.html?showVideo=1
I think I like the first one more, but this one shows a lot more.
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/watchmen.html?showVideo=1
I think I like the first one more, but this one shows a lot more.
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Angry Bovine
I'm hyped for this movie.
peter griffin
Footballguy
total nerd chub workin now. Fingers crossed the studio suits can have the ability to realize that in order for this movie to be great it can't be some 2 hour "commercial" flick. I think a condensed version could feasibly be told in 3 hours, but we're likely to see a 2 hour 40/45 minute cut.
bosoxs45
Footballguy
Dexter
Footballguy
Agreed it looks like they just expanded on a few of the scenes from the first trailer. But, my goodness I loved the song they used in the first release (the beginning is the end is the beginning, by smashing pumpkins). It really gave you the feel of what Watchmen is all about.
SierraKiloBravo
Footballguy
I had no idea that they brought Kelly Leak back from the dead to play Rorschach. A+ stuff there.
snitwitch
Footballguy
I think he was resurrected a year or 2 ago, name of the film escapes me.
HellToupee
Footballguy
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Scruff Mcgruff
Footballguy
dammit. after finishing the comic, i was really looking forward to this movie even though i'm fairly sure it had no chance at all to match up.
videoguy505
Footballguy
I still don't see why FOX would get in the way here. Just take their profit and let the movie proceed.
SierraKiloBravo
Footballguy
This movie will never see the light of day. Fox is more interested in forcing WB to have wasted $$ on creating a film that will never get released instead of splitting the profits or working out some other settlement with Fox.
bentley
Footballguy
I find that hard to believe. The hype for this is already huge. I can't think of another film that made it this far along and was derailed. $$$ always talks.
videoguy505
Footballguy
Wasting $$? Who cares? It's one movie. What did they spend making it? 100 mil? Maybe 150. That's nothing. It does no damage to WB to have a movie they spend 150mil on do nothing. It happens all the time. What does FOX care if they force WB to sit on a movie that makes nothing? It doesn't make anything for FOX. It doesn't hurt WB at all. How much did they spend on making "10,000 BC"? At least half the cost of the production of the movie is paid again in the marketing, release, advertising, etc. Not having to do that stuff, just making the movie and putting it on a shelf never to see the light of day, would be less of a financial hurt to WB than a film like "10,000 BC" was, since they don't have to spend all the money on putting it out there to watch it fail. So all FOX would do is force WB to put forth the production cost of one more "10,000 BC", without having to spend the marketing and advertising costs, with no chance to recoup. Big deal. One more movie on WB's fiscal calendar is a drop in the bucket. They make it up by raising the syndication price of "Two and Half Men" by 2% next year or bringing in just one more corporate tie-in sponsor for Nolan's next Batman movie.Echo Seven said:
I really don't see why FOX wants to hold this up for anything other than a negotiating ploy to get a higher percentage on the distribution back end. I mean, really, what does FOX have to lose by having WB spend the money to make, promote, and market the film if FOX just steps in at the last stage, takes half or more of the distro fee, maybe even does the release themselves, for their fee? They'd get their $100 mil fee up front, and 1/4th the cost of every ticket. Much better deal than them taking ownership of the property back, spending years making their own movie (which has just been sitting around collecting dust for years on end--they've shown they can't put it together themselves), worrying about the financial risks involved, etc., just to get an extra 1/4th of each ticket. Real money's in the distribution anyway.
I'd think eventually FOX will just come to some sort of settlement. It's all reward and no risk to just take a chunk of WB's profit.
Rayderr
Footballguy
Well the problem becomes that if WB is forced to share it's profits with Fox, It's gonna have to do something to make more money to counter what it's giving up. First thing they'll probably do is cut the film from 2.5 hours down to at least 2 hours so it can get more runs of the film in. The more they cut out, the bigger the disappointment it's going to be. As it is, I don't know how they managed to get most of the book done in 2.5 hours (I know they took out the pirate comic stuff)videoguy505 said:
videoguy505
Footballguy
I guess that's possible, but, trimming 20% of the runtime with 3 months before release would be the biggest clusterfudge reconform ever. Would hate to be the mixer on that soundstage. You can't just cut time out like that, you'd have to go back and re-score all the music and stuff. Possible, but, a major headache.WB, I would imagine, might have other avenues to recoup the FOX losses. They could just begrudgingly push forward as is and give FOX their cut, but fold something else into the agreement to keep ancillary profits at a higher percentage. Or book a share with a flop to hide some profits... these guys have their ways of making a million dollars disappear here and there as necessary. I'd think WB would take the hit if FOX would settle for something hands-off. Looks like the ruling here hits only on distribution rights for now, so, WB has to see some glimmer there to sneak in some profit through other channels.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
The scuttlebutt is that Snyder wanted the movie to be released with a three to four hour length, but the studio resisted.
HellToupee
Footballguy
stupid fox
bosoxs45
Footballguy
stupid fox
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Dork alert!
HellToupee
Footballguy
With an avatar from star trek I certainly hope you count yourself as a
I will be the one leading the nerd chargeWith an avatar from star trek I certainly hope you count yourself as a
HellToupee
Footballguy
I will be the one leading the nerd chargeWith an avatar from star trek I certainly hope you count yourself as a
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I will be the one leading the nerd chargeWith an avatar from star trek I certainly hope you count yourself as a
HellToupee
Footballguy
since we're posting on a FF message board isn't everyone here at FBG a
?Yes. But there are varying levels of nerdiness. You have guys like Otis who live in NYC and party like a rockstar. Then you have guys like me who use 'drinking birds' to continually hit F5 while surfing these forums.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Yes. But there are varying levels of nerdiness. You have guys like Otis who live in NYC and party like a rockstar. Then you have guys like me who use 'drinking birds' to continually hit F5 while surfing these forums.
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Angry Bovine
I read part of the graphic novel a long time ago, when it first came out. Don't remember much and I don't think I made it halfway through it (youth). Should I read the novel before seeing the movie, or let it be a surprise in the movie, then read the novel? I'm leaning towards reading it first.
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